What's happening to UK kids?

[Swanny]

It's simply down to bad parenting.
The bad parents give their kids everything they want, they don't discipline them or make them do chores.
They let them watch tele and play on PS/box's whenever they the kid decides.
They let them have tele's in their bedrooms.
They reward their bad behavior with bribes.
They don't let them out to play.
They drive them to school instead of making them walk.
The list is endless.
The kids have absolutely no respect for their parents, so why would they respect anyone else??


And no I don't have kids of my own, and don't want any either thx

[Egg]

No swanny, your blinkered my good friend. It is down the the governments intrusion into normal every day life that is at fault.

1940 - children were polite, obeyed and yes, even feared their teachers wrath, the Police could give you what for and you would have to obey because if you told mum and dad, there was hell to pay.

The courts still hung murderers, drugs were unheard of, pride in your nation was almost 100% - no inner fifth column here thank you!

Mothers and fathers disciplined their fammilies, and a strich hierarchy was observed. Mum and Dad ruled, children did not.

Then the powers to be decided the status qouw as not to their benefit, and from 1960 slowly slowly introduced a new order of ill discipline. Then from that generation come our present leaders who take us down even further into the pit of decay.

The powers now tell mum and dad what they cannot do, the courts cannot help, the police cannot help, the society cannot help, because the powers that be seem hell bent of bringing us down to a 'lord of the flies' type of society.

Poor Piggy.

[Swanny]

Sorry Egg but I have witnessed it myself.
They threaten their kids with empty threats, eg "If you don't stop that we won't be going to ...... tomorrow." when both they and the kids know dam well they will be.
If you behave you can have a new toy. So the kid learns to play up until the offer comes along.
Try to get a kid to wash up after a meal, they just laugh.

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by Egg

No swanny, your blinkered my good friend. It is down the the governments intrusion into normal every day life that is at fault.

1940 - children were polite, obeyed and yes, even feared their teachers wrath, the Police could give you what for and you would have to obey because if you told mum and dad, there was hell to pay.

The courts still hung murderers, drugs were unheard of, pride in your nation was almost 100% - no inner fifth column here thank you!

Mothers and fathers disciplined their fammilies, and a strich hierarchy was observed. Mum and Dad ruled, children did not.

Then the powers to be decided the status qouw as not to their benefit, and from 1960 slowly slowly introduced a new order of ill discipline. Then from that generation come our present leaders who take us down even further into the pit of decay.

The powers now tell mum and dad what they cannot do, the courts cannot help, the police cannot help, the society cannot help, because the powers that be seem hell bent of bringing us down to a 'lord of the flies' type of society.

Poor Piggy.

Drugs were unheard of? They still existed.

I've never agreed with capital punishment.

My parents are probably part of a dying breed of parent that instills strict discipline. They weren't perfect but they allowed my brother and I to watch questionable programs with their supervision, they never let me outside by myself at night and they knew how and when to say "no". Neither my brother nor I turned out perfectly but we are still better off than today's kid.

Also, the 50s were a repressive era for the US. Women's rights, civil rights and the strife of the 60s changed the world (and mostly for the better!).

I don't think that we can stereotype an entire generation or anything. Despite the bad parenting that we hear about in the media, we don't hear much about the good parenting.

[Jacqui D]

Totally agree with you Swanny!
There are far to many little princesses and mini me's when i say that i mean the father figure letting the child behave like themselves.
letting them drink and smoke in the home is disgraceful i have seen it myself and it never ceases to amaze me.

Our kids today are not kids, they live,talk,drink,smoke and generally behave like their parents, i'm not saying i'm down on people drinking and smoking but where is the parental control there isn't one anymore.
The kids today have no respect for their elders for themselves or their friends, how are they going to grow up as fullfilled adults when all they think about is themsleves.

Well i do have 3 kids all adults and a grandchild whom i would like to say have a bit more respect for others and i'm not just saying that because their my kids, believe it or not there are still some good kids out there.
Shame the majority are these spoilt brats who think they are more important and are owed something from the rest of us.

[Egg]

your missing my point I fear.

The government tell parents they are powerless - so they use empty threats and rhetoric on their children as its all that is left to them.

The powers say you cannot be in charge because the full weight of the law is on the childs side.

When a child can sue their parents for breaching their human rights for taking away their computers and phone, then you know its not too far from anarchy and bedlam.

If the law stood four square firm with the parents and common sense, the rest falls into line.

In short, mum and dad would still rule.

[scanner]

Originally Posted by Egg

your missing my point I fear.

The government tell parents they are powerless - so they use empty threats and rhetoric on their children as its all that is left to them.

The powers say you cannot be in charge because the full weight of the law is on the childs side.

When a child can sue their parents for breaching their human rights for taking away their computers and phone, then you know its not too far from anarchy and bedlam.

If the law stood four square firm with the parents and common sense, the rest falls into line.

In short, mum and dad would still rule.

spot on Egg

[scanner]

Originally Posted by Swanny

It's simply down to bad parenting.
The bad parents give their kids everything they want, they don't discipline them or make them do chores.
They let them watch tele and play on PS/box's whenever they the kid decides.
They let them have tele's in their bedrooms.
They reward their bad behavior with bribes.
They don't let them out to play.
They drive them to school instead of making them walk.
The list is endless.
The kids have absolutely no respect for their parents, so why would they respect anyone else??


And no I don't have kids of my own, and don't want any either thx

Yes you are spot on swanny, however discipline has disapeared in the home and at school, because the dogooders of this lovely country of ours stopped us from disciplining our children and the little lovelies think they can do anything they like NOT IN MY HOUSE. I rule the roost in my house and no I don't smack or hit them, don't have too. There's more than one way of scinning a cat ( metaphorically speaking of coarse ) just don't put up with it . One of the magor problem is young ppl having children with no parenting skills ,the kids do whatever they want in and out of school .

Rods for our own future backs me thinks

[Jacqui D]

Okay so where did it all go wrong!
My generation the 50 somethings were taught not to answer back, speak when your spoken to and have respect for others.
My kids 2 are 30 somethings still have a mind to my upbringing my youngest who is middle 20's is slightly different always respectful to me and his dad and family but you can start to see tendancies of where the rot sets in.
Below that age group seems to be where it has gone wrong i may be wrong
here.

I can see bad parenting in some families and yes schools have become lenient on kids.
It has become a nanny state for sure.
At the moment my granchild is a good kid i just hope peer pressure doesn't change him.

[Dantheman62]

I must say I agree with everyone here, I just want to add LOL

[Egg]

I agree with Jaqui here. 1940s/50s children were the last proper generation with a modicum of dignity and respect for themselves.

Look at Tony B'Liar - a classic product of the anarchic 'era'. Then when he grew up, he made it sink even further because he wanted it for the younger generations as per the plan that he was told to work from.

My view? its all about breaking up the nuclear family, and making the state the sole author of authority from cradle to grave in a 'fines and taxes' world driven by their wants and needs, not of the populaton.

I could go on and link up alot of other ingredients to their plan, such as foods additives, medication, 'health and saftey' laws, but I probably would make a boring read. lol.