Jordan Maxwell Interview Thread

[orthodoxymoron]

I'm going to leave my comment above regarding Manly P. Hall...but I just watched a lecture of his on Google...and was quite impressed. Is there a way that all of the secret and esoteric stuff can be completely divorced from satanic rituals, instigating wars (and financing both sides), enslaving the stupid masses, etc, etc, etc? It seems like just about everything is a Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde situation. The nicest people can turn out to be the biggest jerks. The most holy institutions can turn out to be the deepest pits of hell. Noble wars to free an oppressed people...can turn out to be all about drugs, oil, and money. The list goes on and on and on and on and...

[Phtha]

Just curious have you read any of Halls books or watched any of his interviews? Quite a few are up if you search google video.

Many Masons are good people and I still lean towards the belief that it was a well meaning organization for many years. There are no doubt lots of rotten apples on that tree now though.

Here is a recent manly p hall vid I watched... much stuff to pick up from him.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...kuKqAqX6lTw&q#

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

Also...Manly Hall wasn't exactly a saint...was he? I believe that he was brilliant...but I just wonder how many 'brilliant' people will come to the conclusion that if you can't beat 'em...you might as well join 'em...and work to convince the 'stupid' people that resistance is futile?

[TempestGarden]

I just finished watching the entire interview and something at the end Jordan said really stuck out and resonated with me. He simply stated that "people don't care" about all of this stuff, by and large.

Honestly, I gotta tell ya... since I began my awakening, this has been, without a doubt, my biggest obstacle. No matter who I have talked to about this sort of thing, basically everyone that I talked to that didn't think I was a complete "whack job" just simply did not care, in any way, shape or form. Everywhere I look, and for years before my awakening even began, there are people everywhere that just DO NOT CARE, period. If it doesn't affect their immediate lives or the lives of their families in any way that you can prove to them, they don't care at all and/or don't have the time to care. Apathy in general has been a huge problem plaguing the United States for many years now, but I think it's worse than ever nowadays.

I think this more than anything is what worries me about the future of the human race. The majority of the population seems to be defined by their apathy. I used to think that human beings were sadly, defined by their fears. I no longer think that. I now feel that our apathy towards, well just about everything is what is the main cause of the majority of our problems and I really don't see a way around this. How do you make people care about something??

[eleni]

Tempest- I prefer the Release Technique over LOA but that's me.
http://www.releasetechnique.com/what-is-releasing
I have heard that Dr. David Hawkins actually got his *stuff* from Lester but I don't know how true that is.
http://www.veritaspub.com/ anyone know?


I do agree that we are working with magnetics here and the reason why these lower vibrations are drawn to our planet is because of the consciousness level the masses are vibrating at. Think of it.....greed, war, porn, junk food, destruction of ecosystem etc; etc; it's no wonder negative factions behind the powers the be are said to be the one's in control.

Solution- raise your own vibration and DO NOT buy into their systems or the products created by their systems as much as possible.

They are not more powerful than YOU!

[orthodoxymoron]

Originally Posted by Phtha

Just curious have you read any of Halls books or watched any of his interviews? Quite a few are up if you search google video.

Many Masons are good people and I still lean towards the belief that it was a well meaning organization for many years. There are no doubt lots of rotten apples on that tree now though.

Here is a recent manly p hall vid I watched... much stuff to pick up from him.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...kuKqAqX6lTw&q#

I am presently watching the video link you provided. It is most interesting. I'm liking what I'm hearing. Thank-you. Most of what I've heard regarding Hall is second-hand. I recently watched the following video which featured an examination of Manly P. Hall, and the Philosophical Research Society in Los Angeles (which was founded by Hall...and which I have driven by thousands of times). http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...+dc+symbolism# Maxwell is also a fan of Helena Petrovna Blavatsky...and especially her book 'Isis Unveiled'.

I wonder if Maxwell, Hall, and Blavatsky would have a problem with the concept of Constitutional Responsible Freedom? I tend to think that they wouldn't. I also think that if he didn't have to deal with negative ET's...that the Pope would be a supporter of these three intertwined words. I could be mistaken...of course.

I have mixed feelings regarding the Masons, the Vatican, and believe it or not...even the Nazis in the 30's (but certainly not in the 40's). I think all three thought they could deal with the ET's without getting burned. I just think that negative ET's have deceived people and organizations for thousands and thousands of years. The United States of America seems to have fallen for negative ET deceptions as well.

I just want a Solar System Exorcism...and I'm hereby calling for all groups and factions...human and non-human...to exorcise all hard-core malevolent beings (human and non-human) from this solar system. If this does not occur...then I would have to agree with Maxwell's verdict at the end of the interview.

A man was asked, 'which is the biggest problem in America...ignorance or apathy?' The man snapped, 'I don't know! And I don't care!' This is probably more of a problem than the malevolent ET's and corrupt elites. We the ignorant and apathetic people had better wake-up...and wake-up fast. It's a lot later than we think. It's almost too late...but there is still time. Conduit Closing.

[Phtha]

Glad you like the Manly Hall vid Ortho.
Actually, at 30:15 in that video Manly gives the answer to the problem of the sleeping masses of people and to Jordans verdict at the end of his speech. There is nothing to worry about.

Manly wrote a book back in 1928 called Secret Teachings of All Ages. Jordan claims it was his own research that made zeitgeist possible, but if you read Manly's book it can't be denied that everything Jordan talks about is in the book, the whole script for Zeigeist is from Manly not Jordan, period.. The Sun birth, Sol Om On, the comparison of religions... you name it, and Manly explains it in much much more depth than Jordan.

Ortho have you read any of Blavatskys' works? I've read Isis Unveiled, The Secret Doctrine, and Occultism of the Secret Doctrine. She is amazing, her works are so in depth that it is hard to believe they were written by one person. Many new agers and Christians try to paint her as Satanic.. yet nothing could be further from the truth. It's like those people who refuse to believe 9/11 was an inside job. Blavatsky has nothing against true Christians, she mentions this in her own writings, she just explains where the religion really came from, and today's rank and file Christians were not meant to know of it and thus refuse to believe it.

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

Maxwell is also a fan of Helena Petrovna Blavatsky...and especially her book 'Isis Unveiled'.

I wonder if Maxwell, Hall, and Blavatsky would have a problem with the concept of Constitutional Responsible Freedom? I tend to think that they wouldn't. I also think that if he didn't have to deal with negative ET's...that the Pope would be a supporter of these three intertwined words. I could be mistaken...of course.

[14 Chakras]

Blavatsky was the first to bring forth new information to the masses. It helped break the barrier of traditional fundamental Christianity being the only outer option in spirituality. Prior to that the only times higher truth was sought was in secret societies. So for that, her work was successful.

However, with all life, free will is the key. Although Blavatsky was sponsored to be a messenger by the heavenly masters, she was not enlightened and had her own illusions which led her to share some truth, but also some untruths. Her work is a mixed bag.

The original masters that sponsored the work however, are the real deal: El Morya, and Kuthumi.

Of course, the same issue is ran into nowadays, people can claim stuff comes from the masters, but can just as easily be a mixed bag or all from lower forces.

That's why discernment is key.

P.S. My understanding is that Manly P. Hall was a student of Saint Germain

[beren]

Interestingly enough Blavatsky was speaking things which even nowadays are sounding mysterious and somewhat tangling to ears. But that is the case when you mix truth with lie. A lie itself can not bear the load but when mixed with a bit of truth then it can pass... the more of the truth in some lie and voila! People listen. Also this pops in me as a question; we as humans have in our very core a writing of truth and we resonate with it, on high frequency. A lie is totally opposite frequency and does not resonate with human. BUT when you mix lie with truth ,the more truth you pour in lie ,more the people will open their ear to hear what you actually speak. Their sensors are beeping that something is wrong when a lie is mixed with truth but this new mixture has a part of truth in it so we consciously say:"nah- gotta be the truth...it sounds well..."But still unconsciously we detect even a 00000.1 % lie !

That was a divine gift to a man from creator. Sadly we do not use it often today.

[Phtha]

Yes Blavatksy does share some untruths that are proven now, but it wasn't intentional, she was writing on such a vast subject. I believe she was enlightened, certainly much more then 99% of the rest the world at that time lol. Her mission was Truth, nothing more nothing less.

As for free will, put this video to 49:45, Manly makes what I consider a very deep point on free will, but you have to listen until 52:40ish to get his whole point. I've come to the same conclusion he talks about. Yes we have free will, but most use it to build a cage around themselves, because they choose not to follow Divine laws.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...=manly+p+hall#

[14 Chakras]

Agreed Beren, within us we have the ability to discern truth, this does involve endless trial and error and continuous fine tunning of the instrument of discernment, but that's what we're here for: to learn.

My belief is not that Bladvatskey was a liar or intentionally trying to deceive anyone, it is that she was chosen, for specific reasons (let me be frank here: she was the reincarnation of the apostle Peter), to bring forth a new message, a dispensation and ideally move past certain beliefs of her own, pass certain test. She was an important soul and if she was able to shift her consciousness, it would have helped the world to a big degree, specifically actually the Catholic church would have shifted because it was based on the consciousness of Peter, the consciousness that the Christ is outside of you, the consciousness that tried to put Christ in a box and not accept that we are here to be the Christ.

Anyway, that's some trivia. Bladvatskey was not evil or anything, she just didn't pass all of her test, so her work is a mixed bag as some of it is from the dark forces, some of it from the light. All of it quite complex and esoteric, and most of it virtually impossible to fully understand.

[beren]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

Agreed Beren, within us we have the ability to discern truth, this does involve endless trial and error and continuous fine tunning of the instrument of discernment, but that's what we're here for: to learn.

My belief is not that Bladvatskey was a liar or intentionally trying to deceive anyone, it is that she was chosen, for specific reasons (let me be frank here: she was the reincarnation of the apostle Peter), to bring forth a new message, a dispensation and ideally move past certain beliefs of her own, pass certain test. She was an important soul and if she was able to shift her consciousness, it would have helped the world to a big degree, specifically actually the Catholic church would have shifted because it was based on the consciousness of Peter, the consciousness that the Christ is outside of you, the consciousness that tried to put Christ in a box and not accept that we are here to be the Christ.

Anyway, that's some trivia. Bladvatskey was not evil or anything, she just didn't pass all of her test, so her work is a mixed bag as some of it is from the dark forces, some of it from the light. All of it quite complex and esoteric, and most of it virtually impossible to fully understand.

I get what you say. But think of this theme on this way:

She got some unknown facts, lies, truths and revelations from...??? whom???
very suspiciously ...
But as she was in awe status towards that entity which revealed certain stuff to her she then believed totally that she got something very important to share! I don`t blame her for that nor anybody else. I just question WHO is the source of the revelation?

In new testament ,I think Paul or John wrote that we should test every spirit so we can see is it a deceiver or not. Remember that also Satan quoted Bible to Jesus in order to trick him. But there were some fighting between them...
Point is anyone can claim anything but WE have the ability given from God to test every spirit to see does it resonate with truth or not . A kind of inner scanner if you like.

Also the word Christ. Or Christians.
the meaning is basically Saviour or messiah or the one who is holy, the one who is shining with truth , love, wisdom and divine power.
So when you call someone a CHRISTIAN , do him/her resonate with the meaning of the term? Or is it not that? Jesus and Bible never mentioned Catholics, Orthodox,Protestants,Mormons,Adventists,Jehovah`s witnesses, Baptists.... Bible mention a people who wish to be as Jesus was and is -CHRISTIANS- that means people who are ,or at least trying honestly to be holy,wise,caring,saviors to other people by their words and deeds .

[14 Chakras]

For me the saviour is not a guy, it is a conscisouness. I personally think that those who go to church and call themselves "Christians" typically have it wrong nowadays. It is not about being a nice guy, or trying to live a good life, then you die and 'go to heaven'. That is deception really, the deception is that the matter realm and the spiritual realm are seperate, in reality you can be in the consciousness of 'heaven' here on earth while you are in a body, and this is the path that Jesus came to demonstrate.

It is about being "reborn" in consciousness as Jesus continually spoke of. He wasn't here to show us how special he was, that is how human egos have interpreted it, that's because it takes away their personal responsibility to be the Christ as Jesus was the Christ. He came to show us how special YOU are.

We are meant to remember who we are beyond the matrix and be One with with our higher Self, the I AM, the Father, as Jesus demonstrated. This is the true path.

Beliefs are beliefs, and they keep the matrix well fed and happy. Truth is beyond belief, you experience truth when you surrender your illusions of separation and know reality is Oneness.

Although Bladvatskey was not perfect, Ptah has a point, she was significantly more advanced consciously than most, and certainly than your average preacher. She did bring forth some value.

The point is she did not fully channel her works, they were inspired, but she wrote them. So they are a mixed bag because of her own consciousness.

That's no different than any other person on this earth. All of us have illusions, all of us have darkness and are suseptiable to being used by dark forces as long as we have the ego. We can transend the ego, and be reborn as Jesus continually told us we needed to be, because truth is beyond the ego, and it is truth that will set us free.

But most are unwilling. Many are called few choose. Do you?

[beren]

Do you?[/QUOTE]





I am. You are right . Jesus is a last effort from God father to return us to sanity. But many choose not to listen what he said continuously . Remember his own words that when he returns will he find faith on earth???

We are from divine, of divine. But in order to get the divine life in the future we got to grow up. We are capable of many great and superb things but with this mental status of minds around the globe right now... hmmmm

I think old testament is basically kinder garden and elementary and finally high school . When Jesus came he basically said: "Ok guys now is the time to go on college." Now is the time to really grasp towards responsibility and learning about who and what you are. To drop all bonds of slavery and all that stuff.

Did we grew up so far?

Masses didn`t , few did.

[14 Chakras]

Originally Posted by beren

when he returns will he find faith on earth???

We are from divine, of divine.

Here's the trick. YOU ARE JUST AS DIVINE AS JESUS CHRIST WAS!

You just need to remember. Your ego is blocking the Way.

Jesus message was that you can do what he can do, that YOU are the Son of God, if only you would remember and surrender your own illusions of seperation.

Jesus was not the doer, it was the 'father' / higher Self / consciousenss within that was the doer. YOU HAVE THIS SAME FATHER WITHIN YOU.

So the question is, will you be the second coming of Christ by "letting this mind be in you which also was in Christ Jesus" or will we continue to pray and wait for something outside of ourselves to come back and fix everything for us (which ain't gonna happen imo).

[beren]

Here's the trick. YOU ARE JUST AS DIVINE AS JESUS CHRIST WAS!

You just need to remember. Your ego is blocking the Way.

Jesus message was that you can do what he can do, that YOU are the Son of God, if only you would remember and surrender your own illusions of seperation.

Jesus was not the doer, it was the 'father' / higher Self / consciousenss within that was the doer. YOU HAVE THIS SAME FATHER WITHIN YOU.

So the question is, will you be the second coming of Christ by "letting this mind be in you which also was in Christ Jesus" or will we continue to pray and wait for something outside of ourselves to come back and fix everything for us (which ain't gonna happen imo).



Exactly!!!

But also when Jesus was here physically he did ,beside talking great truths to us, real physical manifestations of God -father. Also we need first to remember as you said all those things and to really change as he called us to change into ones who we really are by divine gift. When we change ,THEN God will change this reality and save this planet, but only the ones who opened their eyes will have a chance on it... many are called , few ,responded ,(are chosen)... Just as Jesus did also real life miracles , he did it to show what the God father and he will do in the future...

First comes inner change and realization and blessings and love and wisdom and else from God ... then the reality comes.

[14 Chakras]

Jesus words:

When the Christ comes back, don't look for it here or there, don't look for it in the mountains, or underground, or on the spaceships, because I won't be there! That's because:

The kingdom of heaven is inside of you.

It's not about the separate being that was Jesus was or is coming back to earth and fixing stuff and rewarding the good guys and punishing the bad guys, that's not the second coming of Christ. That is perpetuating the age old illusion that God does not live in you, that you don't have the power, that you need something from outside of you to fix your own problems and your own planet.

The lesson we are here to collectively learn is that God does indeed reside within us, and when we realize this truly and that God resides in all things, we are reborn into our divine Being, as an individualization of the One.

So imo, we should not be expecting Jesus to come back, rather we should be expecting to embody the consciousness that Jesus embodied and Be the Christ as Jesus was the Christ. It really is about remembering, seeing through the veil. God already is inside of you. Under the darkness, you are infinite light, so it's about surrendering the darkness, taking off the mask is all we have to do here...

that's my take

[TraineeHuman]

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...t=16948&page=3

I agree with you, Swanny, that in many ways it seems painfully obvious that most people live their entire lives rather closed to any major personal growth, and in many ways being destructive or negative more than they are constructive or positive overall. However, this is where reincarnation becomes significant. A number of spiritual traditions claim that only after a great many lifetimes does a person normally start to turn. And that then they do finally learn, or start to learn, how to contribute positively in a big way, -- a way that makes up for all the negativity in their past lifetimes.

A second relevant point is that we are all much more interconnected than we usually suppose. This is where “hundredth monkey” type principles apply. Many claim that each individual who progresses to a certain level of enlightenment or whatever causes a positive improvement in the consciousness of all human beings. It’s no accident that Carl Jung talked of “the collective unconscious,” meaning that most of “my” unconscious mind is quite literally shared with everybody else’s unconscious mind.

[beren]

LOL... This statement and the other one you made like it are proof you have not read her... If you had, you would know how wrong you are in saying that.

That's like me telling you Jesus said we should all eat Big Macs and wash them down with Motor Oil... Redonkulous... an out right lie.

You accuse Jordan of not reading the bible and quoting from it, yet look at you with Blavatsky. Matters not if the books are entirely different, I'm not comparing her writings with the Bible, I'm just saying...
Sorry I just have no patience for this type of behaviour.
Get your own opinion, read her, or not, your choice. But if not why listen to someone who is obviously a biased christian fundamentalist?


When I said synthesize religions, maybe it's the wrong word. She was showing us that all religions already are the same when you can look past all the exoteric garbage, the division. They all teach the same message at heart.

She talks just as much as any new-ager today that love is the path.
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Well, for the beggining thank you for calling me biased christian fundamentalist.

I do not want to pick a fight here, I was just expressing my views but it is not my problem why you are starting with labeling me and putting etiquettes on me. That is the problem with some people, that they never read to the end what someone actually said. I do not acuse you of doing that but you are surely not helping with that attitude. Jordan Maxwell said some interesting things but surely he DID not read the Bible or he read it portionally because I was watching some of his lectures where he started to quote from Bible but when you check what he speak about, there are not those verses in the Bible! Also Jordan tends to tell stories which are preety colored if you know what I mean, he tends to add details or even whole passages to sound more convincible than he really are. Again I am ot acusing him but rather he sounds silly and prepotent sometimes. He does have a portion of real info but also a huge portion of blunt lies mixed with myths and legends.

If you noticed in Camelot interveiws in last year many speakers do not really apreciate some other speakers, why? Maybe because some of the Camelot speaker are full of ****... Truly great info was shared so far on Camelot and I respect all but there are many con artists and others who by their interview want a piece of publicity here.

Madam Blavatsky- basically all her work was of esotheric kind.
Again how do you know that I did not read her works???

I do not have any special opinion about her and her works, I think she was a con woman. Telling the things people would like to hear...

And please do not label me any more here if you want my respect. I did not sunscribe on this forum to insult or be insulted by fast-to-jump-to -conclusion folks. I respect everybody and lay my opinion honestly, if you do not agree with me-fine - you have a right to do so. BUT you do not have a right to insult or letting down others who are not in your line of thinking...that is the thing I DO NOT tolerate.

Peace now?
Beer later

Beren

[Phtha]

Like I say I've read all of her major works (read them all, not understood them all ), and for me her writings come off as benevolent in nature. That's all I need to know about the source.

Her life is mysterious for sure, what we do know is she came from nobility, traveled many places including India, and probably had more then one source. I see her as a synthesizer of many of the world religions and mystery religions. Not an easy job, especially back then.

Btw, here is a picture of her with what is said to be St.Germain the Immortal.

Originally Posted by beren

I get what you say. But think of this theme on this way:

She got some unknown facts, lies, truths and revelations from...??? whom???
very suspiciously ...
But as she was in awe status towards that entity which revealed certain stuff to her she then believed totally that she got something very important to share! I don`t blame her for that nor anybody else. I just question WHO is the source of the revelation?

[beren]

Like I say I've read all of her major works (read them all, not understood them all ), and for me her writings come off as benevolent in nature. That's all I need to know about the source.

Her life is mysterious for sure, what we do know is she came from nobility, traveled many places including India, and probably had more then one source. I see her as a synthesizer of many of the world religions and mystery religions. Not an easy job, especially back then.





Hmmm, why would she want to synthesize world religions and mystery stuff?

That sound like pre - new age (really an old Babylonian idea) stuff with new world order and one world religion that many of Camelot speakers speaks of.
She stated that she was Luceferian in one of her works... that is enough for me to take her not with a grain of salt but with a bag of salt.

[Phtha]

You have just proved to me you have not read her works. So why do you comment on them?
I read that same thing you did by that same person who spends all the time debunking blavatsky and maxwell and others. That luceferian quote was a mis-quote, they took one small part of the whole. Read the books then formulate your opinion.

The reason (imo) why she tried to synthesize them all was to prove the fact that they all come from the same source. And she did a great job of proving that. Remember, its divide and conquer, not unite and conquer.

Originally Posted by beren

Hmmm, why would she want to synthesize world religions and mystery stuff?

That sound like pre - new age (really an old Babylonian idea) stuff with new world order and one world religion that many of Camelot speakers speaks of.
She stated that she was Luceferian in one of her works... that is enough for me to take her not with a grain of salt but with a bag of salt.

[orthodoxymoron]

I found a Manly P. Hall quote from 'The Lost Keys of Freemasonry' which sent chills up and down my spine:

"When the Mason learns his craft, the seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands."

WWJS = What Would Jordan Say?

I would like to see the journals which Jordan Maxwell inherited from Manly P. Hall. They might be very revealing.

[14 Chakras]

Just searched for the book that line is supposed to have come from according to doomsday conspiracy websites. Here is the book:

http://www.manlyphall.org/text/the-l...f-freemasonry/

I don't see that line in the book

Edit: Ok Ok, on further investigation I do see that line.

Now in fairness here, back in the day there wasn't this whole new world order thing to the degree it is today. If you read the whole text, rather than just one line, and then determine it is really evil, that's a different story than one line. Again, no person is perfect, we all have different pieces of the puzzle.

The Secret Teachings of All Ages is a decent, but complex book, and definitely not 'evil' in my book.

Reacting to one line or a few words is what pretty much the whole fundamental chritianity thing is based on.

No one has the whole puzzle, people try, they get a lot of it. But until we have Christ beings walking the planet, which we will... every truth that everyone shares will always have some illusions somewhere or other along the line, because we still have egos, we still have our own illusions...

Noting that, everything in Masonry is highly symbolic. HIGHLY symbolic. Literalism when speaking of something symbolic, like masonry teachings, or the bible for example, is not exactly the best way to get to truth.

[orthodoxymoron]

It does seem that people who are 'open to all viewpoints and faiths' have a difficult time with someone who enthusiastically follows Jesus. I don't go to church anymore...and I am quite fickle doctrinally (hence orthodoxymoron)...but I do recognize the truths contained in the Teachings of Jesus...and I recognize that there is power in the Name of Jesus. I feel more comfortable arguing and speculating on Avalon than I do attending church services...even though I miss participating in church music.

I'm not really sure which side Jordan Maxwell is on. He is good at pointing out problems...but what are his solutions? What does he truly believe? He may have said this...but I can't recall. It seems to me that he would be most comfortable at the Philosophical Research Society in Los Angeles...and would probably identify with Theosophy, Blavatsky, and Hall. He seems to love the chase...and exposing things. This isn't necessarily bad...but is his conclusion really that there is no hope of escaping a tyrannical and corrupt future? Correct me if I'm wrong...but he didn't seem to be too upset by his hopeless verdict. I'm trying to figure that out. What is his escape route?

[mntruthseeker]

I find that I do not miss church at all. I got married to a man that was married before and therefore, I was told that I was excommunicated......I wonder now if I should call that bishop and tell him what a big favor he had done for me

I find beautiful gregarion music on you tube and it serves its purpose.

I never really believed that my Creator would ban me from a church but it sure did a "head job" for many years. I used to found myself crying more than one occasion due to this. My sisters wedings, funerals etc.......

Thank God..............I'm free at last