JAMES WingMakers- WHAT A DISAPPOINTMENT !

[Rebel4Life]

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

Yes, I always used this as a scale, but James isn't trying to sell anything ...

Really? whats with the products section in his website and the price tag?
I like how people try to sell you common information and people buy into it and throw them their wallet instead of thinking for themselves.

[ENdJOY]

Originally Posted by Rebel4Life

Really? whats with the products section in his website and the price tag?
I like how people try to sell you common information and people buy into it and throw them their wallet instead of thinking for themselves.

actually you do not need to buy any of the products for sale in the website, you have all you need to manifest the Sovereign Integral state of consciousness, available within your SELF...it just helps to know what you are looking for, and the "tools" accelerate the process... ENJOY!

[ENdJOY]

Milk and Honey, as I said in the other WM topic....I find it amazing how self proclaimed "intellects" will go to great lengths to tell someone what something they have never experienced taste, smells, or feels LIKE ... when there is nothing LIKE the experience the genuine article provides.


"he who laughs last, laughs the longest", and I will be there laughing, when you finally come the realization, that what the WMs are offering is simply to brighten you path...it won't be long now

All entities within the time-space universes are in various stages of the transformational experience and each are destined to achieve the Sovereign Integral level as their Source Codes become fully activated.

[milk and honey]

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

Milk and Honey, as I said in the other WM topic....I find it amazing how self proclaimed "intellects" will go to great lengths to tell someone what something they have never experienced taste, smells, or feels LIKE ... when there is nothing LIKE the experience the genuine article provides.

"he who laughs last, laughs the longest", and I will be there laughing, when you finally come the realization, that what the WMs are offering is simply to brighten you path...it won't be long now

Your responses are verging on the robotic. There is no evidence of thinking. Just the repetition of slogans. It's like talking with a press secretary in a slick PR dept or psy-operation who has a brief to sell come what may. It is the surest sign of the dominance of "intellect" over the inner- Self.

I have experienced the "taste, smell and feel" of IT. That's why i can see straight through James and the stingmakers.

[Rebel4Life]

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

actually you do not need to buy any of the products for sale in the website, you have all you need to manifest the Sovereign Integral state of consciousness, available within your SELF...it just helps to know what you are looking for, and the "tools" accelerate the process... ENJOY!

Endjay i still proved my point though when you said he isn't trying to sell anything.

[ENdJOY]

Originally Posted by Rebel4Life

Endjay i still proved my point though when you said he isn't trying to sell anything.

you didn't prove anything...James is making these things available to you at cost...he isn't "selling" anything that you aren't asking for

If you can not appreciate the fact that it cost money to maintain and create these websites, that you are using for free, then that is your problem.

[feeler]

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

JAMES isn't "selling" anything that you aren't asking for

Thank you for the clarification ENdJOY. I take that JAMES isn't "selling" anything that is free either.

-feeler

[Rebel4Life]

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

you didn't prove anything...James is making these things available to you at cost...he isn't "selling" anything that you aren't asking for

If you can not appreciate the fact that it cost money to maintain and create these websites, that you are using for free, then that is your problem.

wow are you that blind? "he isn't selling anything" yet again you FAIL.

[ENdJOY]

Josefine, I appreciate you perspectives on the interview with James...I think it was fair...I do believe, however that you may have misunderstood what James said about RVing...he didn't say:

To state that all channeling is psy-ops is also illogical. If there are high beings of non-locality, and there most certainly are, they can, and do, communicate with us on a telephatic, for lack of a better word, level. So can other beings, including humans. To use discernment is a necessity, as with any type of communication.

what he did say was, that you never know (for sure) who you are channeling, and that the RVers were getting a very grainy picture, that came from a "timeless" dimension, therefore what they see was very much an "interpertation" of a vision...within the confines of the prison...his exact word are these:

Channeling was originally the equivalent of demon possession where interdimensional entities would temporarily infuse themselves within the human instrument and read a script prepared for them, usually an operative of the GSSC who was intent on bringing hope, love, truth, wisdom, and cosmological indoctrinations to humanity through the spiritual and, to a lesser extent, religious systems of the human family.

In more recent times channeling has become more automated, using pre-programmed scripts, voice tonalities, gestures, and accents which are implanted in the HMS of the individual channeler, and quite literally “broadcast” for later publication and dissemination among those who have a resonance to GSSC and seek enlightenment therein.

The channeled materials, owning to their extensive crafting, were cosmological wunderkinds that generated awe and near-instant faith in their readers. Works like The Urantia Book, Conversations with God, Seth, Agartha, Alice Bailey, and countless others were all prepared texts for humanity, written by dimensional entities under the direction of the GSSC and distributed for human consumption to ensure that humans remained satiated with division and deception – though under the guise of spiritual and cosmological truth.

If you carefully examine channeling you will see that it does not mention the Sovereign Integral, the silence that is you. They discuss the heavens, God, angelic beings, extraterrestrial intelligences, the service orientation of ascended being, ascension process of soul, morality, practical living, alignment to God, life after death, and the complex teacher-student ordering of the universe. It is all designed to instill separation and satisfy the seeker that truth exists on the material plane, thus, they do not have to leave the prison to find it; they simply need to read or listen with their mind.

Remote viewing is tapping into the unconscious or unified field of the Human Mind System. Within this field of consciousness remote viewers can access the astral imprint of Earth or any other planet or system in which the HMS extends – which is the entire known physical universe. The astral imprint is like a reflection in a grainy mirror. It lacks the texture and details, but the general picture exists. It is time sensitive, so sometimes, unbeknownst to the remote viewer, the subject is time shifted and the time shift can be thousands of years.

Remote Viewers also can be influenced by more subtle dimensional fields that are not physically manifest. Thus, sometimes their imagery is not of this world, though it seems of the physical, three-dimensional world, it is really of the astral or mental.

as to your suspicions about him working for the NWO...I think that is really a stretch of the imagination, and a bit unfair, when everything else he says points to freeing one's self from the prison...created by these control freaks. Also I think Kelly made her interests known in the "introduction" of the Interview.

[ENdJOY]

Your responses are verging on the robotic. There is no evidence of thinking. Just the repetition of slogans. It's like talking with a press secretary in a slick PR dept or psy-operation who has a brief to sell come what may. It is the surest sign of the dominance of "intellect" over the inner- Self.

I also find your responses "robotic" as if following an agenda to discredit James, for no apparent reason...if not that, then it must be a "savior complex" you are expressing, trying to "save" anyone from experiencing the Sovereign Integral's perspective for themself...which would abruptly displace you from your throne in the Hierarchy of the New World Order. (trust no one)

as I said before, fault finders are a dime a dozen...and as the Kabbalists say, "the faults you find in other are your OWN"

what are you offering as an alternative to finding the answers within yourself, as the WM's materials suggest? ... besides all of us just taking YOUR word for it?

If you had seriously developed a Sovereign Integral's perspective, you would be expressing you appreciation for the assistance James is offering to help humanity free themselves.

[Jenny]

Mental conceptualization is never going to free us from our human mind system.
We feed that system, it exists by the grace of our sensory equipment; hearing, seeing, smelling, feeling and thinking.
This " debate" in this thread is proving that with every word we type here.

Go inside, breath the breath of life and KNOW who you really are and stop this senseless ( grinn) debate of who is right and who is wrong.

And I personally dont give a .../....how you label that Knowing.

The secret is only known by those who know this secret and those who do not know , well, you can't tell them because they did not do the inner work it requires.They are Just lazy people who feel fine with who they are now and who want to stay withing their comfort zone of the human mind system. And that is fine as well as I personally cannot do anything to get them off their lazy asses and do the work .......Breath................

How simple can it be???? Breath.......

[Josefine]

Originally Posted by Jenny

Mental conceptualization is never going to free us from our human mind system.
We feed that system, it exists by the grace of our sensory equipment; hearing, seeing, smelling, feeling and thinking.
This " debate" in this thread is proving that with every word we type here.

Go inside, breath the breath of life and KNOW who you really are and stop this senseless ( grinn) debate of who is right and who is wrong.

And I personally dont give a .../....how you label that Knowing.

The secret is only known by those who know this secret and those who do not know , well, you can't tell them because they did not do the inner work it requires.They are Just lazy people who feel fine with who they are now and who want to stay withing their comfort zone of the human mind system. And that is fine as well as I personally cannot do anything to get them off their lazy asses and do the work .......Breath................

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Unless the idea is to make us all 'born-again Jamesonians' all the posts that are reactions to the interview with James are of great value. The debate proves that we are awake and kicking.
James graced us with words, mental conceptualizations, and whenever that happens, it requires a discerning response, with words. He refreshed the slate, and we may get rid of some staleness around the GSSC.

To say that 'the secret is only known by those who know the secret'
is almost funny, but circular reasoning is never really constructive.

The fact is that we ALL know the secret because the secret is a Truth living within. We just have to remember.

'Lazy asses' - we would have been if we had just said 'Halleluja'!

[Ashatav]

All my investigation about the Wingmakers point that this "revelation"


Pro New world order (read the second interview),


Jehoshua'ha Mechaich disminisher (luciferian doctrine)

and


New age (teosophy, who, in fact are luciferian to) are


a Fraud to


Make the people end accepting the New World Order New Religion.

That's because the people are so desesperately alone spiritualy in this so material world that they end


Believing Anything who smells well without the proper research.



Cheers.... ?

[iceasis]

Kerry's interview with James has certainly caused some controversy.

I have been reading responses from other websites.

This is one I find perplexing.

http://www.evpreversespeaking.com/20...ful-deception/

Peggy Kane who runs the website concludes by saying that,

"I wish Project Camelot would do some RS before promoting James, Wingmakers and reptilian agendas disguised as Spiritual teachings. I wish everyone would listen to reverse speaking!"

Has anyone researched the authenticity of Peggy Kane's work and the technique known as reverse speech?

[milk and honey]

Originally Posted by iceasis

Kerry's interview with James has certainly caused some controversy.

I have been reading responses from other websites.

This is one I find perplexing.

http://www.evpreversespeaking.com/20...ful-deception/

Peggy Kane who runs the website concludes by saying that,

"I wish Project Camelot would do some RS before promoting James, Wingmakers and reptilian agendas disguised as Spiritual teachings. I wish everyone would listen to reverse speaking!"

Has anyone researched the authenticity of Peggy Kane's work and the technique known as reverse speech?

I don't know if anyone can say for sure whether reverse speech analysis reveals truth.

But all you need do to see through the WMM is read it forwards. It's targets and it's crooked motives are evident from a good ol' fashioned - forwards - intuitive read.

[milk and honey]

Is this a defense of the WMM specifically? Or is it your statement of principle regarding ALL discussion about metaphysical works? It uses James' jargon so perhaps it is the former.

Originally Posted by Jenny

Mental conceptualization is never going to free us from our human mind system.

Not by itself, no.

Originally Posted by Jenny

We feed that system, it exists by the grace of our sensory equipment; hearing, seeing, smelling, feeling and thinking.
This " debate" in this thread is proving that with every word we type here.

Mental concepts are catalysts which can help free or bind the soul. Are you suggesting that expressing our thoughts to each other is a fruitless exercise? If so, James' email is just as profitless. Do you believe that the mind is fed only by the senses? It is true that a mind ignorant of the real-Self is just a sponge for external stimuli and egoic vanity. But the mind is also a vessel for the expression in matter of the real-Self. It too can concieve of mental concepts which can help free souls from the gravity of the ego. It can in-form the mind with the logic of the logos. Entering through the door of the mind, it separates the real from the unreal. The fruit of this enlightenment can be conceptualised and shared with others. It hints of the taste and fragrance of reality and truth. In fact a true adept can share even the experience if he/she so wills.

Your test is to discern the difference between the froth of the ego and the expression of the higher-Mind within yourself and in the conceptual outer world. The differences are often subtle. The real-Self can be assertive. The ego, falsely humble. With regard to the WMM it appears you believe you've passed that test (of discernment) and would like to silence everyone else.

Originally Posted by Jenny

Go inside, breath the breath of life and KNOW who you really are and stop this senseless ( grinn) debate of who is right and who is wrong.

Only those who accept the WMM and/or those who keep silence on it have "breathed the breath of life"?... and "KNOW who you are?"

At the center of each mind the real-Self sees and knows things as they are. It is real and therefore permanent or immortal. The outer egoic-mind has limited vision so it fails to know things as they are. It is unreal and therefore impermanent or mortal. Virtually everyone on Earth has both the inner-Mind and the outer-mind as described. Our test is to discern the difference -- to know the difference -- between the real and the unreal in our own mind and in the minds of others. This necessitates the free flow of ideas without which we cannot know each other. If we do not know each other we cannot live in society together because there must be basic agreements, for example, those expounded in the US Constitution of 1788.

From the free flow of ideas each mind has the opportunity to see the content of the mind of others which allows each to understand the whole. On that understanding alone, each can contribute to the formation of society's basic agreements, it's rights and responsibilities and it's institutions. Without knowing each other through free interaction how can we even agree on the basic societal foundation on which we need to evolve together? How could we agree on the basic values which we must share with all, in order to have private values which we need share only with some?

That is why the US Constitution is so great and why it is under attack.... even by James in the WMM.

It provides the basic agreements of society:

1) Freedom of Speech

2) Freedom of the Press

3) Freedom of Association

4) Freedom of Conscience in spiritual matters.

Do we still wan't these freedoms? Do we still agree? Obviously not and we had better percieve the serpentine logic of those who dissagree, because they are not open and honest in their implacable dissagreement with freedom, preferring instead to subtly subvert our innate spiritual sensibilities to gain our surrender to a supposed "superior" ethic of human equality and oneness, sans the US Constitution. The WMM is a part of this veiled opposition as are many, many others who stroke and tickle our spirits.

In our attempt to maintain the foundational agreements of society, are we only to concern ourselves with those who agree with us? And, in silence, ignore those who don't? If so we cannot know each other or the forces which act as an undertow to swallow up everything we value. If we are going to evolve together then we had better speak to each other especially when we dissagree. Freedom will not last long if we retreat in silence into our own convictions while the enemies of freedom are speaking, writing and acting as a rot in the foundation. Yes, the truth of spiritual-Selfhood is within but the CATALYSTS to it's discovery very often come from external information. I don't want to silence anyone and i don't wan't to be silenced. This is not merely a constitutional argument for freedom. It is a vision rooted in the same truth that birthed the principles found in that document.

Originally Posted by Jenny

And I personally dont give a .../....how you label that Knowing.

Neither do i but James gives a damn and insists on his own labels as exclusive representations of exclusive new truths utterly unique to the WMM.

Originally Posted by Jenny

The secret is only known by those who know this secret and those who do not know , well, you can't tell them because they did not do the inner work it requires.They are Just lazy people who feel fine with who they are now and who want to stay withing their comfort zone of the human mind system. And that is fine as well as I personally cannot do anything to get them off their lazy asses and do the work .......Breath................

How simple can it be???? Breath.......

Not everyone who seeks the 'secret' is "just lazy... on their lazy asses". A lot of seekers sincerely make their best efforts to discern the real from the unreal. James exerts great personal effort (in his boasting of singularly unique and unprecedented personal powers and unique cosmic responsibilities) to cultivate an image of "one who knows". Among other things, it shows he doesn't know but because he projects that chutzpah, he attracts people with the same pride who have actually developed a psychological reliance on him. The lie is so big it's 'believable'.

[milk and honey]

Ashatav, would you mind changing the yellow text in your post above? I can read it at all. Maybe red would fix it?

Many thanks.

[milk and honey]

Thanks Ashatav. I wonder why dear "Dr Neruda" was so evasive?

[milk and honey]

Ashatav, the first reply from "Dr Neruda" is still in yellow text (after the word "YES"). Still can't see it. Thanks again.

[ENdJOY]

Ashatav, you are just going to have to suck it up, and grow up...the NWO is here...and there is nothing you can do about it...we are all ONE species, living on ONE planet...and if global comunication and enterprise is OK, why isn't a one world goverment...we have had the United Nations for decades now...doing a louzy job, I admit, but lets not throw the baby out with the bath water, we will never have Equality, without it... we wouldn't have outsourcing of jobs into sweat shops if the minimum wage was the same around the world...if we only had one global form of curency, we wouldn't have the Central Banks in control of everything...there are some advantages to it, if it is done right...and it is already a DONE DEAL...so adapt.

Lets not forget that Dr Neruda is a fictional character in a book based upon facts...and that James wasn't even born in America, and may not even be a US citizen...he just lives here now...he was not a scientist, he was an artist, musician, poet...and author...the Illuminati are not americans either, they come from European royal bloodlines...even though the Rothchilds, Rockerfellers and Bilderbergs meet here often they have no ties with nations...their only ties are to money... The African continent was not the only one raped and plundered...they did them all one right after another...and just look what they are doing to the USD now... give me a break...we are all their slaves.

[Jenny]

Originally Posted by milk and honey

Is this a defense of the WMM specifically? Or is it your statement of principle regarding ALL discussion about metaphysical works? It uses James' jargon so perhaps it is the former.

Not by itself, no.


Mental concepts are catalysts which can help free or bind the soul. Are you suggesting that expressing our thoughts to each other is a fruitless exercise? If so, James' email is just as profitless. Do you believe that the mind is fed only by the senses? It is true that a mind ignorant of the real-Self is just a sponge for external stimuli and egoic vanity. But the mind is also a vessel for the expression in matter of the real-Self. It too can concieve of mental concepts which can help free souls from the gravity of the ego. It can in-form the mind with the logic of the logos. Entering through the door of the mind, it separates the real from the unreal. The fruit of this enlightenment can be conceptualised and shared with others. It hints of the taste and fragrance of reality and truth. In fact a true adept can share even the experience if he/she so wills.

Your test is to discern the difference between the froth of the ego and the expression of the higher-Mind within yourself and in the conceptual outer world. The differences are often subtle. The real-Self can be assertive. The ego, falsely humble. With regard to the WMM it appears you believe you've passed that test (of discernment) and would like to silence everyone else.


Only those who accept the WMM and/or those who keep silence on it have "breathed the breath of life"?... and "KNOW who you are?"

At the center of each mind the real-Self sees and knows things as they are. It is real and therefore permanent or immortal. The outer egoic-mind has limited vision so it fails to know things as they are. It is unreal and therefore impermanent or mortal. Virtually everyone on Earth has both the inner-Mind and the outer-mind as described. Our test is to discern the difference -- to know the difference -- between the real and the unreal in our own mind and in the minds of others. This necessitates the free flow of ideas without which we cannot know each other. If we do not know each other we cannot live in society together because there must be basic agreements, for example, those expounded in the US Constitution of 1788.

From the free flow of ideas each mind has the opportunity to see the content of the mind of others which allows each to understand the whole. On that understanding alone, each can contribute to the formation of society's basic agreements, it's rights and responsibilities and it's institutions. Without knowing each other through free interaction how can we even agree on the basic societal foundation on which we need to evolve together? How could we agree on the basic values which we must share with all, in order to have private values which we need share only with some?

That is why the US Constitution is so great and why it is under attack.... even by James in the WMM.

It provides the basic agreements of society:

1) Freedom of Speech

2) Freedom of the Press

3) Freedom of Association

4) Freedom of Conscience in spiritual matters.

Do we still wan't these freedoms? Do we still agree? Obviously not and we had better percieve the serpentine logic of those who dissagree, because they are not open and honest in their implacable dissagreement with freedom, preferring instead to subtly subvert our innate spiritual sensibilities to gain our surrender to a supposed "superior" ethic of human equality and oneness, sans the US Constitution. The WMM is a part of this veiled opposition as are many, many others who stroke and tickle our spirits.

In our attempt to maintain the foundational agreements of society, are we only to concern ourselves with those who agree with us? And, in silence, ignore those who don't? If so we cannot know each other or the forces which act as an undertow to swallow up everything we value. If we are going to evolve together then we had better speak to each other especially when we dissagree. Freedom will not last long if we retreat in silence into our own convictions while the enemies of freedom are speaking, writing and acting as a rot in the foundation. Yes, the truth of spiritual-Selfhood is within but the CATALYSTS to it's discovery very often come from external information. I don't want to silence anyone and i don't wan't to be silenced. This is not merely a constitutional argument for freedom. It is a vision rooted in the same truth that birthed the principles found in that document.

Neither do i but James gives a damn and insists on his own labels as exclusive representations of exclusive new truths utterly unique to the WMM.


Not everyone who seeks the 'secret' is "just lazy... on their lazy asses". A lot of seekers sincerely make their best efforts to discern the real from the unreal. James exerts great personal effort (in his boasting of singularly unique and unprecedented personal powers and unique cosmic responsibilities) to cultivate an image of "one who knows". Among other things, it shows he doesn't know but because he projects that chutzpah, he attracts people with the same pride who have actually developed a psychological reliance on him. The lie is so big it's 'believable'.

This is what I try to avoid, ripping a thought/feeling apart into little pieces and react to each separate part.

I hope you forgive me if I let this go.
I feel no movement of energy inside me that responds to this.
In other words; I feel no responsibility for your reactions.
In other words; It does not resonate with me.
In other words; your reactions stir a faint memory inside me of old worn out reactions I once had and no longer support.
In other words; You may fill in all you like and need or want, it is not out of oneness and therefore not appealing to me in any way.

So what Now!?
I ask myself...
what do you want Jenny?

I have no idea...isn't that dumb?

[ENdJOY]

BINGO Jenny...I stopped even reading his posts a few days ago...all you need is a quick scan of the first line to know what he is going off on

Dr. Neruda: "Proof is not absolute. It's not even objective. And what you're looking for is an experience that is permanent and perfect in its expression of truth. And such an experience, if it indeed exists, is not owned or possessed by any secret network or elitist organization or galactic federation for that matter.

"You could have this experience of absolute proof tomorrow, and the very next day, doubt would begin to creep in and in a matter of weeks or months this proof, or absolute truth, that you aspire to possess -- it would be just a memory. And probably not even a powerful memory because so much doubt would be infused into it.

"No, I can't give you or anyone absolute proof. I can only tell you what I know to be true for me and try to share it as accurately as I know how with anyone who's interested. I'm less interested in trying to relate the cosmology of the universe than I am in getting the story of the WingMakers and the artifacts of their time capsule into the public attention. The public should know about this story. It's a discovery of unparalleled importance and it should be shared."

http://www.wingmakers.com/neruda1.html

[Jenny]

EndJoy,



Mind**** is what people get off on...heheheehehe

[ENdJOY]

I can't believe you got that word to print...I had to disguise "A$$" in a previous post

....

[Jenny]

I am the Wonderful, I am the Magnificent.....

Mind****...the word is not just **** but mind****...

now you try to find a word .....