JAMES WingMakers- WHAT A DISAPPOINTMENT !

[eraser2012]

I agree with those who say this is the best work Project Camelot has ever done. Bill & Kerry are truth seekers and information disseminators (my word, not in the dictionary ), not preachers, editors or censors. The "fraud" suggestion you make is from disinformation by those attempting to discredit the site 10 or so years ago and have since been responded to by the site's original creator/owner and identified as frauds and disinfo.

The James interview not only resonated with me, it is my truth and how I now live in this world. It is challenging in the sense that it requires constant vigilance, but once you work at it a while, it becomes easier and easier until it eventually integrates with you. I am very much still in the process and expect that I will be until the grand portal opens or I move on from this world, so people should not adopt this paradigm for what it gives to a person, but instead for what that person gives to themselves and, thus, gives to humanity and all beings. What a wonderful time to be alive and in service to existence, and what an opportunity we all have before us to return to our higher selves and to truth. Who knows if the history elements of the James interview are accurate or not, but that is not important in my opinion. What is important is where we're heading individually and collectively into transparency and expansion.

Love to all of you and, therefore, love to me.

[pilot]

This discussion reminds me of something that happened about 8 or so years ago, I had read the Eckhart Tolle book and liked it and lent it to this friend of mine, ( a much older man) and a few weeks later I asked how he liked it.

He said it was good, it reminded him of Zen teachings...at that point I said "ah". If it is the truth, does it change? If it is the absolute, does it require an "upgrade"? That is my objection, if that is what you would call it, to the Wingmakers. The claim that effective spiritual teachings that have been around for centuries are suddenly outmoded because of a portal that appeared in 1998???

I find that a bit scary. I prefer to think of the absolute as absolute, not a fad. People have been repackaging ancient teachings for a long, long time-is this a bad thing? Not necessarily, however it is unseemly to invent another orthodoxy when none is needed while casting doubt on previous teachers.

Especially when they fail to reveal anything that is new. The human mind is incapable of grasping eternity. (Mine is, at least) There are many paths to follow that can help facilitate the experience of the absolute.

Why is Wingmakers better than any other?? Why??

[EarthBowl]

Originally Posted by eraser2012

to by the site's original creator/owner and identified as frauds and disinfo.

The James interview not only resonated with me, it is my truth and how I now live in this world. It is challenging in the sense that it requires constant vigilance, but once you work at it a while, it becomes easier and easier until it eventually integrates with you. I am very much still in the process and expect that I will be until the grand portal opens or I move on from this world,


so people should not adopt this paradigm for what it gives to a person, but instead for what that person gives to themselves and, thus, gives to humanity and all beings. What a wonderful time to be alive and in service to existence, and what an opportunity we all have before us to return to our higher selves and to truth.

What is important is where we're heading individually and collectively into transparency and expansion.

.

Beautiful Eraser...........
Namaste

[371]

"Some facts can only be assimilated through fiction"- a member of this forum.

[efields]

Originally Posted by 371

"Some facts can only be assimilated through fiction"- a member of this forum.

Nuff Said Brother.

[houman]

The problem with these kinds of interviews ("I am above the matrix, I know what reality is, let me explain to you"... "I am a bloodline member, ask me questions...") is that they provide no references, no threads to follow, don't precisely explain why they are so sure about their "information/view of reality", so they don't go beyond the mental construction stage (=0 information content) and are often self contradictory...

Some jesuits are full time employed to do just that, elaborate a mental construction and add confusion to an already distorted information...

With these kind of declarations about reality the only viable method (that makes sense) is the one of Bob Monroe: "you have to experience it for yourself and here is a method for doing just that"

So in the end the interview contains the following essential element: "take responsability for yourself and what is happening to this world" but adds another "Theory Of Everything" and if I had to choose one I would choose the one of T Campbell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxECb7zcQhQ) at least here you have a map, references (precise origin of the information, double blind validation...) and most importantly a method for checking it yourself...

Houman

[ENdJOY]

milk and honey, I can see that your mind is closed, having been filled with rhetoric...and busily comparing the Wingmaker Materials with all other "spiritual" teaching, you have failed to recognize how unique they are and there is no benefit for me (or anyone reading this) to try to reason with you...your are quite full of yourself.

It is obvious to me that James, nor any one individual could have written the materials...since he has no "followers" and no organization, it is hard for me to understand who you think he is getting help from. His integrity is beyond reproach.

I have watched this work slowly progress, one paper at a time, and seen how his vision was complete, before he launched the first website, and how each subsequent paper builds upon that foundation. He tells us that the LTO is measuring the frequency of the planet, and that new materials are released as our consciousness reaches a level that we can understand them...He obviously knows what the Big Picture is...and is trying not to knock us off balance with too much information at one time.


your opinions and belief system have no influence on my personal decision to activate my "junk" DNA (that were made dormant by the Anu) and to allow the perspectives of a Sovereign Integral to become my dominate reality...I only hope others are as independent as I am and will follow their hearts instead of the words of "externals".

I will continue to tear down the prison walls from the outside in.

The entity model of expression is designed to explore new fields of vibration through biological instruments and transform through this process of discovery to a new level of understanding and expression as a Sovereign Integral. The Sovereign Integral is the fullest expression of the entity model within the time-space universes, and most closely exemplifies Source Intelligence's capabilities therein. It is also the natural state of existence of the entity that has transformed beyond the evolution/saviorship model of existence and has removed itself from the controlling aspects of the Hierarchy through the complete activation of its embedded Source Codes. This is the level of capability that was "seeded" within the entity model of expression when it was initially conceived by First Source. All entities within the time-space universes are in various stages of the transformational experience and each are destined to achieve the Sovereign Integral level as their Source Codes become fully activated.

http://www.wingmakers.com/philosophy1.html

[piers2210]

Amazing, unique, interview. Congrats to Project Camelot. It resonates with me. Where have i been all these years and not seen this stuff before?? Oh yeah, working for a big corporation. Anyway I've quit all that now to find myself.

But it will be hard to get your average member of the public to strip away centuries of religious and spiritual teachings to reach where James is at.

As he says though, it is one person at a time. Then i guess the rickety bridge can become a super highway.

I don't believe in religion, but the idea that the power is within and not coming from some higher universal source is freaky. But I'll go with it.

If you read between the lines of his interview, change is coming...get ready and you will be fine. I'll follow his message for sure.

[milk and honey]

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

milk and honey, I can see that your mind is closed, having been filled with rhetoric

If you dismiss things of value like James does you will never know if it's rhetoric or not. You'll never prove or disprove the value that can be found there. You're talking James' word at it's face... like everything else he says.

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

] ...and busily comparing the Wingmaker Materials with all other "spiritual" teaching, you have failed to recognize how unique they are and there is no benefit for me (or anyone reading this) to try to reason with you...your are quite full of yourself.

Even though i've illustrated where James got the gist of his schpiel you're still convinced the WMM is unique? James doesn't wan't you comparing it because you will discover for yourself what he has done. I put some of that in a nutshell for you and you call it rhetoric. It's time you compared the WMM with what has already been given. If you have done so already and still diss it then you've missed it.

Either you're still a teenager who understandably hasn't yet found the cornucopia of the ages - which has been distilled in the last two centuries - or you've been living in a shoe man. James claims the WMM is unique and he must know better. Look past the wrapper and you'll see it's not. You might also discern who his targets are (for demolition) and you may even percieve motive.

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

It is obvious to me that James, nor any one individual could have written the materials...since he has no "followers" and no organization, it is hard for me to understand who you think he is getting help from. His integrity is beyond reproach.

If he's not a lone nut then others are assisting him. It could very well be a group effort on the ground and/or the astral. There are clues suggesting who his connections may be. For example, he seems to think that a NWO is inevitable as an interim governing structure on the way to Utopia. He also has a penchant for euphemistic claptrap just like they do..

Check this:

Dr Neruda: According to prophecy that's when the United Nations will hold initial elections for a unified world government. And it won't be an all powerfull centralised authority but rather a global public policy decision and enforcement organisation for issues that effect the world at large. Issues like pollution, global warming, border disputes, space travel, trade, commerce, OLIN technology upgrades and general technology transfer programs.

IN OTHER WORDS: IT WILL DECIDE AND ENFORCE ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING IT WANTS but "it won't be an all powerful centralised authority?". "No, i cross my heart, it will ONLY be a global public policy DECISION and ENFORCEMENT authority."

Lovely.

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

I have watched this work slowly progress, one paper at a time, and seen how his vision was complete, before he launched the first website, and how each subsequent paper builds upon that foundation.

How would you know what he did before he launched the website. Only what he tells you.

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

He tells us that the LTO is measuring the frequency of the planet, and that new materials are released as our consciousness reaches a level that we can understand them...

Yup, he's a mile ahead of us at all times.

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

He obviously knows what the Big Picture is...

Really.

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

...and is trying not to knock us off balance with too much information at one time.

You don't say.

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

your opinions and belief system have no influence on my personal decision to activate my "junk" DNA (that were made dormant by the Anu)

Someday, you'll look back at this string of hypotheses and laugh at them.

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

...and to allow the perspectives of a Sovereign Integral to become my dominate reality...I only hope others are as independent as I am and will follow their hearts instead of the words of "externals".

This reminds me of that scene in "Life of Brian" where he's yelling to the great throng... "You're individuals". And they reply in unison... "YES! WE'RE INDIVIDUALS!"

[Josefine]

[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by milk and honey

If you dismiss things of value like James does you will never know if it's rhetoric or not. You'll never prove or disprove the value that can be found there. You're talking James' word at it's face... like everything else he says.

Even though i've illustrated where James got the gist of his schpiel you're still convinced the WMM is unique? James doesn't wan't you comparing it because you will discover for yourself what he has done. I put some of that in a nutshell for you and you call it rhetoric. It's time you compared the WMM with what has already been given. If you have done so already and still diss it then you've missed it.

If he's not a lone nut then others are assisting him. It could very well be a group effort on the ground and/or the astral. There are clues suggesting who his connections may be. For example, he seems to think that a NWO is inevitable as an interim governing structure on the way to Utopia. He also has a penchant for euphemistic claptrap just like they do..

Check this:

IN OTHER WORDS: IT WILL DECIDE AND ENFORCE ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING IT WANTS[/B] but "it won't be an all powerful centralised authority?". "No, i cross my heart, it will ONLY be a global public policy DECISION and ENFORCEMENT authority."

Lovely.

How would you know what he did before he launched the website. Only what he tells you.

It will take time for me to go to all the weak/paradoxial/illogical spots in James's answers/essay. I have started with the one obvious, and to me, glaring, pronouncements on the history of the creation of, and the lack of value of, the human body and thus, our DNA. I have good links to back this up, but I hesitate to bring them in. I want to see how this develops.

Athough James mentions the ELOHIM, he does not breathe a word about them being Ultraterrestrials, high beings of non-locality. To suggest that they reside in our oceans with the Atlanteans that never left, is nothing but preposterous.

To state that all channeling is psy-ops is also illogical. If there are high beings of non-locality, and there most certainly are, they can, and do, communicate with us on a telephatic, for lack of a better word, level. So can other beings, including humans. To use discernment is a necessity, as with any type of communication. But if James is in league with NWO ideologists and policymakers, whose longexpected design is to declare all channeling illegal, they will have to grant someone the privilege of deciding what is 'allowable communication', no doubt allocated to a 'Truth Commission'. They might go all the hog and establish a centralized 'Information Corporation', a vision George H. Bush Sr talked about in the early 1990's. Anything emanating from such a construct will not be along the lines of a plurality of truth, quite the contrary, it will be based on the opinions of the few chosen and trusted to toe the official line of truth. In comparison 'Embedded Journalism' will pale as an example of the absence of independent research.

The value of James' interaction with us here on Avalon, is the opportunity for us to hone our ability to discern. Some have not developed that ability, and will be upset with any constructive feedback on his material, feeling it has to be accepted as a whole or rejected as a whole. These are never the only two options, there is always the 3rd corner, that of careful analysis.

I am VERY curious as to which corner Kerry is landing in regarding this material.

We are, in fact, not robotniks yet, regardless of what James is implying. Nice try.