Canada's Inuit notice the Sun is not where it should be.

[Initiate]

http://www.doomdaily.com/2009/is-pla...wobble-effect/

Antarctic Ice Is Growing And Thickening

Despite reports to the contrary, ice in the Antarctic is growing in area and density and has been consistently doing so for at least 30 years now. Western Antarctica has shed several ice shelves over time, but Eastern Antarctica has grown greatly in the same time.
Ice-core drilling and monitoring of sea ice indicate that although there exists a widespread public belief in the melting of the Antarctic ice caps, this is not founded in evidence gleaned from the scientific monitoring of the sea ice conditions.
East Antarctica, a sea ice region extending out at over four times the size of the West sea ice region, has grown massively during the same period that the monitoring of the West Antarctic revealed melting. Scientists theorize such melting may be normal.

New Land is Forming in Alaska

Like a giant fist punching through the earth, a 1,000-foot long section of the beach below Bluff Point rose up 20 feet from the tidelands sometime last Friday or late Thursday, pushing boulders up from the ocean bottom, cracking sandstone slabs and toppling rocks upside down.
Below Bluff Point, a new fissure opened up at the base of the 800-foot high cliff. The uplift could be a re-activation of a landslide that happened perhaps 12,000 years ago.
“There was just beach before,” said Ron Hess, who lives on Bluff Road above the new uplift. “Now there are tidal pools.”
“You can see a rock circle,” said Marilyn Hess. “All you used to see was one big rock, and now you can see this uplift of rock.”

[no caste]

Originally Posted by Initiate

Antarctic Ice Is Growing And Thickening... New Land is Forming in Alaska

More ice in Antarctica, less ice (more land) in the Arctic.

Well, who knows about the Inuit observations then. I tried with a terrain shift theory - hey, what if the giant ice slabs were tilting?? What I DO know is that Inuit observations are keen and, almost miraculously, some of the elders' stories go back to the mammoth hunts!

About the North, it's the melt of the fresh water ice, into the sea, that may cause problems with the Gulf Stream, like in The Day After Tomorrow. And it's thawing permafrost that's a potentially huge methane gas release issue, like a zillion farting cattle. I think these things are part of global warming modeling, which is where the catastrophic scenarios come from, including rising sea levels for low lying and inlet regions.

Hmm. Pole shifts... 15 degrees...

[Jonah]

All well resonating observations folks!

I can't help but wonder if that is even our sun anymore.

[no caste]

Originally Posted by Jonah

All well resonating observations folks!

I can't help but wonder if that is even our sun anymore.

Oh ****! That would be a bummer. WHO SWITCHED OUR SUNS??!! I DEMAND AN ANSWER NOW!!

I wonder if atmospheric changes (say, chemtrails and pollution) are changing the look of it for us. The atmosphere is like an optical lens.

[Aztar]

Droid56, I just want to thank you for this post, not for the question being asked though its an interesting one but for the mention of isuma.tv.

I went and watched both of the movies Atanarjuat The Fast Runner & The Journals of Knud Rasmussen which meant allot to me.

Thanks

As mentioned by Droid56 isumaTV has this information about Inuit Climate perspective;

IKCC Story in Winnipeg's UPTOWN 12/08/2009
http://www.isuma.tv/hi/en/inuit-know...nnipegs-uptown

As well as this one.
CBC News North Article on IKCC Project 12/09/2009
http://www.isuma.tv/hi/en/inuit-know...e-ikcc-project

Its part of a Documentary that's a UN-sponsored Indigenous Voices on Climate Change Film Festival, make of that what you will.
16 min preview speech here : http://www.isuma.tv/hi/en/inuit-know...sion-un-cop-15

[Jonah]

Originally Posted by no caste

Oh ****! That would be a bummer. WHO SWITCHED OUR SUNS??!! I DEMAND AN ANSWER NOW!!

I wonder if atmospheric changes (say, chemtrails and pollution) are changing the look of it for us. The atmosphere is like an optical lens.

No caste I can never tell if your serious or not...

but i suppose this forum will do that to you....

If chemtrails and pollution are creating an optical illusion...

then perhaps these test could be conducted in an area where there is neither.

[Rozzy]

I live and work in the far north and the sun looks just fine to me, same as last year, the year before and the decades i remember before that, go figure eh!

[Jonah]

Looks as though we are not alone in our observations of the sun



http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...age371651/pg12
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/earth243.htm
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread288581/pg1

[Mizar]

According to the calculations in the 2009 Nautical Almanac, and measuring directly with my Sextant, the Sun, and the Stars are exactly where they should be, however I have read recent reports that clocks have been off by up to two hours. The Analemma will put the sun in the "Wrong" position by as much as 16 minutes, the sun is either "Fast" or slow by that amount, the " equation of time" is used to correct for the effects of the Analemma.
Mizar

[Gnosis5]

Glad you have a sextant and know how to use it, and here is a link that explains Analemma:

http://www.analemma.com/Pages/framesPage.html

Originally Posted by Mizar

According to the calculations in the 2009 Nautical Almanac, and measuring directly with my Sextant, the Sun, and the Stars are exactly where they should be, however I have read recent reports that clocks have been off by up to two hours. The Analemma will put the sun in the "Wrong" position by as much as 16 minutes, the sun is either "Fast" or slow by that amount, the " equation of time" is used to correct for the effects of the Analemma.
Mizar

[droid56]

I guess it is likely they are wrong in their observations, as the science dudes with science machines have pointed out.

But I'm still listening to the people who say they see unexpected things.

[no caste]

Originally Posted by droid56

I guess it is likely they are wrong in their observations, as the science dudes with science machines have pointed out.

But I'm still listening to the people who say they see unexpected things.

droid56 - Me too. I don't trust science guys and gals There's also perception, AND the earth's crust floats around too. I knew of a seismologist whose job it was to measure the mountains moving.

Originally Posted by Jonah

Don't blame me for going to la-la land...
but since you brought it up....
multi-verse theory might explain such a switch....
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-m-theory.htm

Jonah - Thanks for that link, really one of my favorite topics, right from when I was a physics student. I'm actually pretty happy for chances to go to lala land anyway

Originally Posted by Operator

I started a thread Wubbo Ockels explains how ‘time’ is created by human beings ... In this presentation Wubbo mentions that, in relation to the topic of the presentation, we have a 'program' running in our brain that makes us perceive reality different.

Thanks, Operator for mentioning that video. I added this link about a similar program I heard on that thread too.

Julian Barbour, The End of Time: The Next Revolution in Physics
http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/features/liv...ime/index.html

[no caste]

Originally Posted by Jonah

No caste I can never tell if your serious or not...

but i suppose this forum will do that to you....

If chemtrails and pollution are creating an optical illusion...

then perhaps these test could be conducted in an area where there is neither.

Jonah - This forum probably aids my inner absurdist, that's for sure. I don't know how (or if) a changed atmosphere, like less oxygen, altogether different chemical composition, would affect the appearance of the heavens.

When you said the sun's not ours, it made me think it got switched! Maybe the sun itself is changing. I mean, clearly it's ever-changing, ... everything's ever-changing, ... I better stop here to avoid another la-la land loop.

{breathe}

[Jonah]

Don't blame me for going to la-la land...

but since you brought it up....

multi-verse theory might explain such a switch....

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-m-theory.htm

Originally Posted by no caste

Jonah - This forum probably aids my inner absurdist, that's for sure. I don't know how (or if) a changed atmosphere, like less oxygen, altogether different chemical composition, would affect the appearance of the heavens.

When you said the sun's not ours, it made me think it got switched! Maybe the sun itself is changing. I mean, clearly it's ever-changing, ... everything's ever-changing, ... I better stop here to avoid another la-la land loop.

{breathe}

[Operator]

Originally Posted by no caste

I don't know how (or if) a changed atmosphere, like less oxygen, altogether different chemical composition, would affect the appearance of the heavens.

Hi NC,

A very good point that crossed my mind too ...
I started a thread Wubbo Ockels explains how ‘time’ is created by human beings , it got 106 views but no replies.
So some people have seen that presentation but did not give any feedback on what they think about it.

In this presentation Wubbo mentions that, in relation to the topic of the presentation, we have a 'program' running in our brain that makes us perceive reality different.
This 'program' is not perfect and has flaws. One of them is that we see the sun or moon appearing bigger when they are close to the horizon.

Well we have a lot of crazy stuff happening north on this globe. Are circumstances changing so that we only perceive things differently ?

So ... there might be an interesting link that you bring up.

[Mizar]

Well, after a little more research, it appears that the Inuit are right, from their perspective, with low sun angles and higher atmospheric refraction corrections their sun has indeed moved. Here's a link to the article;
http://www.eh2r.com/
For us farther south, nothing has changed, I stand corrected.
Mizar

[viking]

Originally Posted by Mizar

Well, after a little more research, it appears that the Inuit are right, from their perspective, with low sun angles and higher atmospheric refraction corrections their sun has indeed moved. Here's a link to the article;
http://www.eh2r.com/
For us farther south, nothing has changed, I stand corrected.
Mizar

Strange is'nt it perhaps Nancy at Zetatalk is correct about the Pole shift and Planet X!!!

Makes you wonder??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9SbQq70nhY

viking

[Old Snake]

Dear friends,

goto: http://hpiers.obspm.fr

Here you can see how our planet has moved, the Chandler wobble.....

The near perfect circle was 2008, the more oval one is this years.

The years before were more eratic even , this may have to do with
our planet passing the galactic plane.

The latter movement is a long cycle ,about corresponding with the Mayan calender...............the longest cycle.

Old snake

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by no caste

Oh ****! That would be a bummer. WHO SWITCHED OUR SUNS??!! I DEMAND AN ANSWER NOW!!

I wonder if atmospheric changes (say, chemtrails and pollution) are changing the look of it for us. The atmosphere is like an optical lens.

It is a compact fluorescent (CFL) Energy Star certified sun, did not you get the memo -- whoops sorry about that!!!