If New Age is evil deception, what is the alternative?

14 Chakras · 12-17-2009, 10:02 AM

What is the alternative to New Age?

For those who claim anything "New Age" is "deception" / Evil etc.

What is proposed as the alternative?

I would think the alternative is "Old Age"? Business as usual? Nothing changes we just keep being victimized for eternity until we destroy ourselves?

The promise of a New Age, is a New Era when humanity lives abundantly based on the principles of Unconditional Love rather than suffers greatly under the principles of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

Is that an evil, deceptive thought?

What exactly is the alternative that is so great compared to seeing that what is coming is a "New Earth", city foursquare / New Age comes to Earth as prophesised in the "Holy Bible"?

Please help me out here so I can understand what the other option is if, as it appears some believe, New Age is evil deception designed to trap people into worshiping Lucifer and sacrificing babies by believing that we are here to help co-create a better world for everyone and connecting with love in our hearts ~

Gratitude

Leunamros · 12-17-2009, 10:03 AM

The alternative is to encourage people to be themselves and encourage people to be human. There is no other to win.

Anchor · 12-17-2009, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by c76

of course people are "resonating" with the information.. because it is designed to make one feel powerful and in control.. to be as God.. but as each day passes that one practices this delusion.. they become less and less able to distinguish truth from fiction (which is blatantly apparent from what i see) and they become more and more separated from the God that created them and loves them..

Resonance is a process that is involved in communication.

When I utter words I make sound waves. By the process of resonance your ears convert those waves to impulses to be decoded by your brain and inform your mind of my words.

Spiritually speaking the "new age" (yuk) "resonance" is similar but the substance is different. Yes it can go wrong - this is where discernment comes in.

Audio resonance, Mental resonance or spiritual resonance are not things that make you feel powerful or in control. They are things, phenomena and they have their uses.

What I don't get is why people find this so hard to understand.

A..

beren · 12-17-2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Anchor

Resonance is a process that is involved in communication.

When I utter words I make sound waves. By the process of resonance your ears convert those waves to impulses to be decoded by your brain and inform your mind of my words.

Spiritually speaking the "new age" (yuk) "resonance" is similar but the substance is different. Yes it can go wrong - this is where discernment comes in.

Audio resonance, Mental resonance or spiritual resonance are not things that make you feel powerful or in control. They are things, phenomena and they have their uses.

What I don't get is why people find this so hard to understand.

A..

Because Anchor, huge majority lives automaticly.
They search a bit and as soon as they feel " safe" they turn on autopilot

It is sad because that is exactly what con men wants us to do! To live on autopilot while they take care of our life, love,wisdom,spirituality and other things...Oh by the way they need our MONEY too

14 Chakras · 12-17-2009, 11:08 AM

C76 quote "but the prerequisite to that is to acknowledge that we're not gods"

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Psalm 82:6 - I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Jesus Christ John 10:34 - I said, Ye are gods

Gen 1:26 And the Elohim said, Let us make man in our image after our likeness

Gen 1:27 So the Elohim created man in his own image, in the image of the Elohim created he him

Now the reality is that our egos are not gods, but our true nature in Oneness is indeed individualization's of the One, Co-Creators, and as Jesus Christ said: ye are Gods.

As Paul said: I die daily. I try and do good, but the carnal mind does the other.

I suggest Paul is indeed talking about overcoming the ego, dieing the death of the ego, to be REBORN as Jesus constantly spoke of, reborn in Oneness, I and my Father are One.

Is this New Age? This is the bible. This is Christ message.

You must Be reborn to inherit the Kingdom of Heaven that is inside of you you, at hand, here and Now.

When you let the father within YOU do the work, you will do greater works that Jesus did because Jesus has Ascended to the spiritual realm, and you are here Now to walk in his footsteps and claim your own Christhood as he wanted you to do.

Or, we can remain the victim, remain the carnal mind, remain the dead burying the dead. We can affirm our separation from God, affirm we are the worthless human, the sinner etc. This is our option, but we face a critical time, evolve or die.

Luke 17:33 Seek to save our lives [current way of doing things / ego / old age] and we will lose them, seek to lose our lives [carnal mind, ego, old age / ways of doing things] for my sake [Christ consciousness, New Earth / New ways of doing things] and we will save them.

I suggest free will is the name of the game and those who choose to BE will BE.

Scarab · 12-17-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

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Psalm 82:6 - I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Jesus Christ John 10:34 - I said, Ye are gods

Gen 1:26 And the Elohim said, Let us make man in our image after our likeness

Gen 1:27 So the Elohim created man in his own image, in the image of the Elohim created he him

OK...I'm going to tackle this with my OPINION. So please don't crucify me

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First, I think it's dishonest for people to take a few passages from the Bible and use them to justify why they shouldn't follow the words of the Bible in it's entirety. ONE common theme running throughout the book is humility and abiding by GOD's will.

Even Jesus prayed and asked for the strength to do GOD's will and not his own (Mark 14:36)

As for the passages themselves...

The quote from John is incomplete and out of context. If you read the entire passage, you'll see Jesus was calling them out on their duplicity, not telling them they are GOD. I can also imagine he may have been mocking them a bit too for thinking they were GOD because of a single verse in a Psalm which probably wasn't directed toward them.

As for the Genesis passages, it says we were created in His IMAGE or LIKENESS. To me that means our physical form is more or less like His. It goes on to say repeatedly that there is ONE GOD and only ONE GOD all throughout the Bible.

JUST MY OPINIONS

Céline · 12-17-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarab

OK...I'm going to tackle this with my OPINION. So please don't crucify me

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i would never put someone down for their opinion. i thrive on the views and perceptions of others to help mold my own views on various subject. i thank you for sharing your points of view.

First, I think it's dishonest for people to take a few passages from the Bible and use them to justify why they shouldn't follow the words of the Bible in it's entirety. ONE common theme running throughout the book is humility and abiding by GOD's will.

Dishonest? Hmm perhaps i am being nit picky, but i disagree with that term... it may be incomplete ?

Even Jesus prayed and asked for the strength to do GOD's will and not his own (Mark 14:36)

As for the passages themselves...

The quote from John is incomplete and out of context. If you read the entire passage, you'll see Jesus was calling them out on their duplicity, not telling them they are GOD. I can also imagine he may have been mocking them a bit too for thinking they were GOD because of a single verse in a Psalm which probably wasn't directed toward them.

i have heard so many varying interpretations of this and many other quotes...sometimes it is dizzying...

As for the Genesis passages, it says we were created in His IMAGE or LIKENESS. To me that means our physical form is more or less like His. It goes on to say repeatedly that there is ONE GOD and only ONE GOD all throughout the Bible.

Creation, to me, is more then just physical form

JUST MY OPINIONS

IMHO

My thoughts are quite biased....first of all as a Woman, i find immediate offense with being the bearer of "original sin" , though i understand there may be a variety of different takes on that burden...it is enough to be a "Deal breaker" for me...

i find it difficult to take seriously the words of Man..or God...when they degrade or disrespect anyone.

Scarab · 12-17-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Céline

IMHO

My thoughts are quite biased....first of all as a Woman, i find immediate offense with being the bearer of "original sin" , though i understand there may be a variety of different takes on that burden...it is enough to be a "Deal breaker" for me...

i find it difficult to take seriously the words of Man..or God...when they degrade or disrespect anyone.

I'd guess 'Original Sin' is a concept invented by the church, perhaps to maintain control of the masses. It doesn't exist in the Bible.

Céline · 12-17-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarab

'Original Sin' is a concept invented by the church, perhaps to maintain control of the masses. It doesn't exist in the Bible.

Hence my disrespect for the church...

Scarab · 12-17-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Céline

Hence my disrespect for the church...

Mine too.

Sarahmay · 12-17-2009, 04:54 PM

I believe that all religions on Earth at present and most New Age teachings exist to prevent our consciousness from growing and our DNA from evolving out of this place and keep us earthbound. Most are fear based, to keep our vibrations down, but some are soft words to get our guard down so we will allow reverse coding. Bottom line is we are sovereign multi-dimensional beings and while we do need to know some of the physics of multidimensionality, we don't "need" anyone but ourselves.

Steven · 12-17-2009, 09:43 PM

There is the "New Age" thing... And there is the end of a grand evolution cycle that last 14 billion years that will create a New Humanity, a New Earth because consciousness has reached a new threshold...

It doesn't matter what religion you are, nor beliefs you have, what matter is "who" you are...

Namaste, Steven

joe2288 · 12-17-2009, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Steven

There is the "New Age" thing... And there is the end of a grand evolution cycle that last 14 billion years that will create a New Humanity, a New Earth because consciousness has reached a new threshold...

Namaste, Steven

Well said, we are indeed moving towards a new humanity, one that vibrates

higher.

mudra · 12-18-2009, 02:24 PM

My favorite word in the term " New age " is " New ".
If we are clinging to a set pattern of thoughts how can we then allow change to take place.

Say not, "I have found the truth," but rather, "I have found a truth."

Kahlil Gibran, The Prophet

Love Always
mudra

greybeard · 12-18-2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mudra

My favorite word in the term " New age " is " New ".
If we are clinging to a set pattern of thoughts how can we then allow change to take place.

Say not, "I have found the truth," but rather, "I have found a truth."

Kahlil Gibran, The Prophet

Love Always
mudra

We are as clean and clear as transparent glass, then thoughts, ideas, belief systems, concepts,constructs, stick to us, mainly the fingerprints of others.
We have forgotten how clean clear and wholsome we really are, take a look.

With love Chris

Moxie · 12-17-2009, 04:45 PM

Alternatives to New Age.

The only true alternative would be inclusive of all people and all beings.
It would not have a label such as Christian, Buddhist, Islam. It would not be a place to go to worship (worth ship) as God does not rqeuire your worship, your help to save anyone, for nothing is ever lost.

I cannot participate in any organized religion because by its very nature it is exclusive. As honestly as I can say this, I do not tend to Believe
who or what Christ was or is, hence the label of Christian is offensive to me because, no matter which church you are in that is Christian, it all boils down to whether or not you believe that Jesus died for your sins (the whole concept is just strange) even though I have experienced what is called being "saved" in my life. It was a powerful, spiritual, ineffable event which soon had me making a choice... to follow whatever rules were insisted by the followers of this "non-denominational" church, you know, stay away from this, that, do this, that... I left with my powerful experience, connection with my Creator (which I capitalize for distinction).

The focus for me is on the ultimate creator & giver of all life. I do not believe that I need get to God by any other person, including Christ. I do not say the name Jesus except when I swear (which is a really bad habit I know) so shame on me.

I honor the words attributed to him.

I do not believe that people need commandments in order to know how to live right. People do need demonstration bestowed of virtues such as assisting those in need, being kind & loving, and yes, giving honor to God for my life, being good stewards of the world.

For all the churches in the world that are by their nature, divisive, we have no governing bodies that have councils based on ethical considerations whether or not such and such ought to even be produced for sale in the world, that take into account all the peoples best interests, that sort of thing. Tax status, exemptions.

So yes, it is true that religions have been inserted into our societies just as new age has, I agree with that. It's also true, that when you remove Jesus from a belief system in our christian society, people are totally clueless to know what else is there.

New Age, like any other religion got twisted out of shape by the confused, groping masses that rejected conventional religions. I was one of them.
But I've realized that it is my sole life, my soul individuated, that appears to be having a private life of my own as well as a member of a body of beings in a world that is in big trouble, not being able to unite for the best of all.

So my spirituality is personal as should it be for others. I do not, for the life of me, know why it is that people need to go to a building to worship God. I wish it were not so. I am tired of divisiveness and I want the children reared with an inclusive mental perspective. Respect, love, help others, honor God the Creator of all life.

Moxie · 12-17-2009, 04:54 PM

I will add that I too, communicate with God, not as an order taker, but for guidance and direction for right living and action. I also say "thank you" often throughout the day for I see that a grateful heart keeps me humble.

I do believe that thoughts are energetic and make a difference how your life is lived. I do experience direction from God as well as having had experiences which I would name as demonic... semantics can be a problem I know... but anyway, wanted to add these thoughts

kriya · 12-17-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Moxie

I will add that I too, communicate with God, not as an order taker, but for guidance and direction for right living and action. I also say "thank you" often throughout the day for I see that a grateful heart keeps me humble.

I do believe that thoughts are energetic and make a difference how your life is lived. I do experience direction from God as well as having had experiences which I would name as demonic... semantics can be a problem I know... but anyway, wanted to add these thoughts

Hi Moxie,

I believe God wishes to have a divine romance with each of us, unique to the individual, as we are neither male or female and nor is God. He (not really but you get my drift) just wants our love.

Love,

Kriya

PhiedPiper · 12-17-2009, 04:55 PM

The "fake" New Age is certainly that. The real thing, however, is something completely different, and should never be called by that name. Materials like Matrix V can help to highlight the real difference. Those people getting caught at those mid levels are the ones bulking up the movement and making finding the real thing like finding a needle in a haystack. But the truth is still out there, we just have to work harder than ever to find it. On the other hand, at least in our modern times the truth is a lot more accessible than it ever was before.

Scarab · 12-17-2009, 05:13 PM

I keep reading and re-reading this thread. There are some interesting points of view.

Then I re-read the thread title: