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Old 12-16-2009, 08:09 PM   #1
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Default Automobile free energy

Im creating this new thread to raise awareness of free energy especially for cars/automobiles. I also wish to bring this thread to our attention

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...highlight=cell

This is for all those who are trying to get various projects off the ground. I dont know if my documents will be useful but I wanted to give you a shout.

My archive (m.zip) has a few pages on a device called a JOE CELL. It claims 'orgone' energy has the capacity to fuel a car without petrol. Have a look for yourselves.

I couldnt see a specific thread on the cell in avalon archives so I assume you may not know about it.


Regardless The addresses to the documents can be found below.

Enjoy

http://www.scribd.com/doc/7954244/Th...d-Systems-1991
http://www.scribd.com/doc/23537016/P...009-for-Scribd
http://klasmowallpaint.angelfire.com/m.zip

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Old 12-18-2009, 07:49 PM   #2
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Here are some more interesting articles I have also found including Alex Schiffer's technical guide listed below

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2084757/Ex...o-the-Joe-Cell
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...46&hl=en&emb=1
http://joecell.cloud.prohosting.com/
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Old 12-18-2009, 11:39 PM   #3
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Thank you for starting this thread. I have been looking for information and trying to educate myself on this subject. when i was a kid i heard stories of people developing carburators to mix water in to the fuel, only to be shelved by the oil companies. I want to eventually try and convert my F-150 truck to run on water. I plan on doing alot of travelling and I could use the savings!!

I have seen the GEET system. what is your opinion on it?
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Old 12-19-2009, 12:18 AM   #4
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Is there anyone who is actually using a free energy device. If so, what kind is it, does it work well for you and can I get one?
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Old 12-20-2009, 11:27 AM   #5
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Hello Paul.t. You may want to research a man named Bill Williams. He built a joe cell for his truck a few years ago but was thwarted by the authorities threatening him to halt his work or face severe consequences.

The geet system looks interesting. I'm not an expert in that field so I don't have an opinion of it. I've seen a few videos of a working geet engine and it looks interesting.
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Old 12-21-2009, 07:51 PM   #6
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Hey all,

Just short comment to couple previous comments

Yes, orginal HHO gas car inventor Stanley Meyer drove car by water only.
Energy came from cars altenator and batteries and broke water to gas /oxygen mixture. I guess this quite near what you can call free energy car.

Joe Cell is derived from that orginal idea and is HHO gas producing fuellcell..
Nothing to do with orgone as far as i see...

Most inventions are actually boosters which still need some gasolin or oil based liquid in order to work.

Water has been injected to engines for ever for cooling, cleaning and for better efficiency.

I made couple of HHO cells and result was shortly 100km/tank extra.
Car was peugeot 205 1,1 liter free breathing engine.

I gonna build geet next to it just for fun !
I also consider wood gas car as one option. We have them in here and nice thing is that they are completely tax free !

Peace and more miles..
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Old 12-23-2009, 10:28 PM   #7
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Hey all,

Joe Cell is derived from that orginal idea and is HHO gas producing fuellcell..
Nothing to do with orgone as far as i see...

Peace and more miles..
KF
If the Joe Cell does indeed work as claimed it may very well be an orgone type accumulator. You need to take a closer look at how the Joe cell is set up and configured. One of the electrical leads gets completely disconnected after it is "charged" and the hose that you would normally assume is bringing hydrogen gas into the carburetor actually gets connected to a blank stud- therefore there is no hydrogen entering the engine at all! The engine runs but not on fuel as you would imagine. On the surface it looks totally bizarre and makes no "logical" sense unless it is tapping some other kind of energy.
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Old 12-24-2009, 09:14 AM   #8
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I've chatted to the guy who did created these

http://www.moe-joe-working.com/Moe-Joe-Cell/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUobm...layer_embedded

I've been chatting to a number of people about GEET at work and trying to convince UNAWARE automotive engineers is EXTREMELY difficult! I have a few interested and we are trying to get a prototype cobbled together.

For me the GEET pantone idea is the best for me to investigate as I am an intake and exhaust engineer and one of the projects I will be looking into in the new year will be exhaust heat exchangers and recovery devices... I'm sure I can get some GEET ideas slipped in there some how...

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Old 12-24-2009, 02:01 PM   #9
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somewhat off topic. I am not a scientist or an engineer but i have this thought continually in my head.

they say never put water on a grease fire. if you do, you get a violent explosion. Is there something that occurs in the separation of HH and O when this happens and if so, could it be a viable way to power a vehicle?

This idea might seem a little simple-minded compared to the other ideas. but until i ask the question, it remains in my mind taking up space!!!
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Old 12-24-2009, 02:06 PM   #10
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Putting water on a grease fire does not create any new energy.

When the water hits the much hotter grease, it very rapidly expands into steam, thus spewing hot grease everywhere.

Being close to this situation is not advisable.

I guess I qualify as an engineer. LOL.
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Old 12-24-2009, 03:42 PM   #11
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Here are some more links and data available I have found and archived for yourselves

thank you

P.S There is documents in the 'u.zip' archive which claim the Joe Cell can operate a vehicle on orgone energy and does not produce hydrogen or HHO to power the vehicle. I dont have the expertise to back up such a claim so will leave that statement to yourselves to judge

The u.zip archive does exist. You may need to cut and paste address directly into browser address bar
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http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/j...eenergydevice/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JoesCell2/

http://www.nutech2000.com

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&sou...kJthXj2sSWp8iA

http://merlib.org/node/4207

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&sou...d6_K-RfhomOl1A

http://klasmowallpaint.angelfire.com/u.zip
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Old 12-25-2009, 06:57 AM   #12
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Although not technically 100% free, diesel engines can be converted to run on Waste Vegetable Oil which can be collected for free from local restaurants. There are many people who have put 30-60K+ miles on their diesel vehicles this way.

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Old 12-27-2009, 08:43 PM   #13
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Default You can set up Geet...but you must do this

The Geet principal, IMHO, is the most promising method I see to date having studied and experimented which HHO (of which I have a few good ideas). The problem I seen with the Geet system is that the carb is gone and the throttle whould be a real difficult task. I would think that if the motor were just set up to power up and run "on demand" in a puore electric vehicle to simply charge the batteries, the system would work perfectly and some vehicles we have today could be converted to this type of system.

What I would like to see is some experimentation of an HHO generator added to a Geet system to thereby reduce the actual gasoline used even more...but then again, I am not sure that the Geet system would work properly as the gas may not expand like the steam does.

just a thought.
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Old 12-27-2009, 10:01 PM   #14
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Hey if GM wants to get out of debt....release new technology cars





Now they may have some modifications for this one but the conscept is there.






Now this is the type of thing that should be advertised .... he had better not try getting a patent....they are connected to the goons that show up at night to talk you out of mass production ideas.


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Old 02-19-2010, 02:27 AM   #15
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The Genepax car I'm skeptical of since they have made big claims but provided very little details and no independent verification. I'm hoping it works as advertised, though.
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Old 02-19-2010, 08:13 AM   #16
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Is there anyone who is actually using a free energy device. If so, what kind is it, does it work well for you and can I get one?
I run my car off Waste Vegetable Oil which I get for free from restaurants. It's not technically 100% free energy, but I'm certainly not paying for it.

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Old 02-20-2010, 02:01 AM   #17
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this is the latest website for mr. Pantone on geet.http://geetinternational.com/
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