Reality / actuality

[Moxie]

REALITY vs. ACTUALITY

I’ll make this short n sweet (dinner is almost ready).

All my life I’ve geared toward what my spirited intellect told me was an Actuality (although I did not use that word until recently, maybe up to a year ago).

We have all heard, ad nauseum, that “we create our reality”.
OK, that’s a given right? If so, and thus so, we might say that our “take” is our “own” , and that has always not sit right with me. I “know” in my knowingness that there IS an actuality unrelated to our own manifested reality and that is what I aim for, to know, to be IN.

So, to you, the reader, this is a question, yes it is. And I ask because I want to know what YOU think about it. Is there an actuality, an “other” to your reality. If so, why are we hell bent on creating OUR reality?

I thinK it was Swerdlow’s words that caught my attention not too long ago about reality / actuality. Now, today, as I’m watching Drunvalo, he, again, brings up this Actuality (I’m on pt 4 of The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life). This has my attention far long enough to ask….

I’m off to eat dinner. Back later.

[Seashore]

By actuality are you referring to all that has ever been, is, or ever will be?

That's what the word sounds like to me. The great, vast, awesome mystery of it all. It does exist apart from the reality (life) that we create with our thoughts and actions.

Yeah, and I want as much knowing of actuality that I can muster.

[14 Chakras]

Hmmm.... interesting question... my take

Yes, I think there IS actuality beyond our created illusion (which we may view as "reality") that we live in...

Together we have a collective illusion that we agree on, and that's the world and time line we share... that's still not an actuality, only the collective illusion / sandbox we are playing in... then within that collective agreement, we create our own 'reality' based on our own thoughts, feelings, actions, beliefs and karma that we live in and experience as our 'reality', however, it is still only an illusion... beyond all illusion there IS reality.

But to connect to reality, to what IS, do we create our reality to get there? Or do we surrender to the voice of reality, the higher consciousness / higher Self that is within us, but beyond our identity that is based on separation, beyond what some call the false ego?

I believe in order to connect to what IS actuality, then we must jump back in the river of life that is the harmonious time line and reality that is One with all other life. We can connect to what IS through surrender to the higher consciousness within our hearts, the observing consciousness that is the source of love and that is beyond 'the thinker'.

As long as we try and create our "reality" to get to "actuality" while maintaining our own sense of separation from the source and other life, then we will never get to what IS actuality, only the illusion of reality that we are currently experiencing... and this illusion unfortunately may not have a happy ending for those who choose only separation and illusion...

That being said, the more that choose actuality and what IS over the illusion of separation, the easier it is for the rest to choose abundant reality which is in the harmonious river of life with the divine flow of what IS. I would suggest it's when we move against the flow of the universe that we get ourselves into trouble...

Or, do we believe the 'reality' we've created thus far through our own separate wills here on planet earth is better than what the divine loving intelligence within all life has in store for us? It's a legitimate question that I think we each will need to answer at some point... what do you think?

[Truthseeker360]

Blessings,14 chakras


Go with the flow, feel with the heart.

The stomache akin to brain (intake food/info)and the heart like the liver to help digest and retain the necessary ...truth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_possibility


Love light & Clarity
Truthseeker360

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

Hmmm.... interesting question... my take

Yes, I think there IS actuality beyond our created illusion (which we may view as "reality") that we live in...

Together we have a collective illusion that we agree on, and that's the world and time line we share... that's still not an actuality, only the collective illusion / sandbox we are playing in... then within that collective agreement, we create our own 'reality' based on our own thoughts, feelings, actions, beliefs and karma that we live in and experience as our 'reality', however, it is still only an illusion... beyond all illusion there IS reality.

But to connect to reality, to what IS, do we create our reality to get there? Or do we surrender to the voice of reality, the higher consciousness / higher Self that is within us, but beyond our identity that is based on separation, beyond what some call the false ego?

I believe in order to connect to what IS actuality, then we must jump back in the river of life that is the harmonious time line and reality that is One with all other life. We can connect to what IS through surrender to the higher consciousness within our hearts, the observing consciousness that is the source of love and that is beyond 'the thinker'.

As long as we try and create our "reality" to get to "actuality" while maintaining our own sense of separation from the source and other life, then we will never get to what IS actuality, only the illusion of reality that we are currently experiencing... and this illusion unfortunately may not have a happy ending for those who choose only separation and illusion...

That being said, the more that choose actuality and what IS over the illusion of separation, the easier it is for the rest to choose abundant reality which is in the harmonious river of life with the divine flow of what IS. I would suggest it's when we move against the flow of the universe that we get ourselves into trouble...

Or, do we believe the 'reality' we've created thus far through our own separate wills here on planet earth is better than what the divine loving intelligence within all life has in store for us? It's a legitimate question that I think we each will need to answer at some point... what do you think?

[Moxie]

Greetings! I became distracted last couple days. Thanks for your replies.

AND, I chanced upon PK47 and read a few of his posts.... this is not a quote (I"m too lazy to try n find it again... but he wrote

... that Truth is the only reality. Everything else is dis-info/mis-info, etc and I'll add including consensus reality or whatever reality we create and live within, our perceptions, what we think we know.

In the way I posited the thread...... Truth is Actuality. Reality, as in "yours" is what you choose to believe and may not be Actually True.

And, as Seashore wrote "I want as much actuality as I can muster".

Now, I flit off into the evening once again... dinner is almost ready!
(I love food) lol....

[sun-toon´]

...an interesting question Moxie.

I've used the word 'actuality' for a long time, though to be honest it started because I needed a synonym for the word 'reality' in a song I was working on.

I think we create our own reality in the sense that we color whatever we're experiencing with how we feel about it. We choose, or by default...accept, to filter out most facets of the flow of All, so as to examine some of them in detail. Outside of that, I don't think we do create our own reality, because everything about reality has been co-created. There are so many contributors that it seems absurd to me that anyone ever said that to begin with.

The formbuilders made a canvas, galaxies, stars and planets dream within it, every life form and person adds lines and brushstrokes until "reality" as we know it has been dreamed into existence. But is it "illusion"? And, is the goal really to escape that illusion and find our way back to the "real", the actuality of pure consciousness?

Well, that's not my goal, at least not now. I live in eternity. IMO we come into these realms intentionally to lose ourselves in the illusion. Here and now, this particular illusion has some serious problems...the destruction of the dream of Earth by the dreaming of humanity in particular, so it...or more specifically, humans, need an infusion of actuality, or a glimpse of the higher order of things, in order to repair themselves, and in turn repair this realm.

But it doesn't need to be so pure as to actually be actual. We just need enough for Earth to survive human evolution, because humans need Earth for their continuing evolution.

The adventure of eternity demands that we seek novel circumstances within which to play, i.e. dream. I'm kind of baffled that so many are convinced that being one with their higher self and moving back into oneness with All is the main point of Being. It seems inevitable anyway, so what's the rush? We probably do this over and over: think it's the goal, accomplish it, and then decide to go back for more illusionary adventures.

However, it may not be good to get as lost as humanity is now. And it's not cool that there are parasitic forces driving the human bus towards extinction, and/or the destruction of a living planet.

So... yes it is all illusion...but the experiences are real. They're the only thing that's real...besides actuality, of course.

[14 Chakras]

"yes it is all illusion...but the experiences are real." - If that's so then why choose to continually experience death and suffering for eternity?

" I'm kind of baffled that so many are convinced that being one with their higher self and moving back into oneness with All is the main point of Being."

Since I mentioned a bit about the higher Self, let me be very clear: I'm not talking about disappearing into some state of nothingness.. I am talking about breaking through the illusion that I'm all on my own and not connected to the source or to other life. When we've broken through the illusion, we don't disappear into some blob, we simply awaken to the reality of who we are, much more than the world would have us believe. I'm still me, and you're still you, we just see that at the highest levels we're connected, so our only desire is to see others become more rather than take away from them... when we see that clearly, the source can trust us with a lot more light because we won't misuse it...

What's the point of living 100,000 lifetimes constantly comparing ourselves to others and experiencing much suffering and getting very little accomplished in the meantime? That's how we become less not more.

The point of Oneness is not sameness and it's not about achieving some ultimate destination, it's about moving harmoniously with the entirety of creation rather than against it. Do you really want to be stuck living a short life and dying over and over for eternity or do you think at some point you want to graduate to the next grade in the infinite schoolroom of the universe?

I think one of the illusions that is used to control us is that doing the higher will is boring and not our will... that's what the dark guys running our world and feeding on us would like us to think... Do you really think the creative consciousness that is responsible for the creation of the universe is boring? I don't.... when you clearly see you're part of something bigger, I believe you simply move on to much cooler and deeper realities where it's not all about fighting for your survival and proving the ultimate worth of the ego...

things that come from the higher consciousness:
1) Life
2) The constitution
3) Shakespeare - (Bacon)
4) Music
5) all the good stuff

things that come from the separate consciousness:
1) Death
2) Lack, suffering, disease
3) War
4) Loss of energy
5) Evil aliens

I personally don't need much from the second list in my life...

that's my take...

"what's the rush? We probably do this over and over: think it's the goal, accomplish it, and then decide to go back for more illusionary adventures."

You're in the cool illusionary adventure right now! The rush is that now you can help 'save the planet' by moving into a higher consciousness and have a grand ol time doing it... if you choose not to accept this mission, then you may be one of the masses who are not really having the adventure and not co-creating the world, just letting the world live us with whatever happens... think star wars - I think we are at such an important time that each one of us has the opportunity to be a jedi, or we can choose to be one of the masses who never show up on the screen and just let the world live us...

[14 Chakras]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker360

Blessings,14 chakras


Go with the flow, feel with the heart.

The stomache akin to brain (intake food/info)and the heart like the liver to help digest and retain the necessary ...truth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_possibility


Love light & Clarity
Truthseeker360

Thanks this speaks well to me, it's something I'm working on, still much more work to do

[Ross H]

all I really know for sure is "nothing is what it seems" this reality as we know is illusion , yet this illusion is our reality, the more we go down the rabbit hole the more paradoxes there are...all i really have, to be sure of, is to operate from love and to be of value...to all

[sun-toon´]

14 Chakras...I was trying to just write on the subject and keep somewhat in the flow of the discussion. I'm sorry if I made you feel like I was attacking your post.

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

"yes it is all illusion...but the experiences are real." - If that's so then why choose to continually experience death and suffering for eternity?

It's one of those "default acceptance" deals.

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

What's the point of living 100,000 lifetimes constantly comparing ourselves to others and experiencing much suffering and getting very little accomplished in the meantime? That's how we become less not more.

The point of Oneness is not sameness and it's not about achieving some ultimate destination, it's about moving harmoniously with the entirety of creation rather than against it. Do you really want to be stuck living a short life and dying over and over for eternity or do you think at some point you want to graduate to the next grade in the infinite schoolroom of the universe?

I have an upside down view of reality from this. I don't believe we're graduating at all...unless it's as a species. I'm very tired of disempowering dogma about being lowly children who are getting a chance to move into the next level of consciousness, as we climb our way back to the Godhead. I think many of us are hyperdimensional travelers who have come into this realm from next higher level of consciousness and we'll return to it when we're done...and that the universe is more a playground than a schoolroom.

And I never said anything about living 100k lifetimes as a muggle. I'd hope for a bit more adventure and expansion. It doesn't matter, though. There are things to accomplish, but it all eventually becomes a stream of unique experiences that merge into the field of actuality.

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

You're in the cool illusionary adventure right now! The rush is that now you can help 'save the planet' by moving into a higher consciousness and have a grand ol time doing it... if you choose not to accept this mission, then you may be one of the masses who are not really having the adventure and not co-creating the world, just letting the world live us with whatever happens... think star wars - I think we are at such an important time that each one of us has the opportunity to be a jedi, or we can choose to be one of the masses who never show up on the screen and just let the world live us...

You're not getting me. I'm all about moving into whatever state is necessary to get the job done. That is the mission. It's just not my goal to become the purest vibration of my being and get the hell out of here...which seems to be the prime directive for most of those who imagine themselves as spiritually evolving. Jedi sounds cool, ascended master...boring BS.

[14 Chakras]

i have a very different view of the true Ascended host, boring is about as far as it gets from my perspective... that being said, if the ascended host to you are boring do nothings, then we are talking about different beings anyway and we can stick with the Jedi approach (btw, do we really think that Obi Won, Yoda and Qon Jin became boring when they ascended? - I don't think so...).

From my perspective, Luke was on the path to a higher consciousness, in fact in some was like Jesus was, and he was faced with initiations and test along the way, which generally speaking he passed and helped save the day... from my perspective, the whole God is boring thing is a deception that we come to believe seeing how the organizations that claim to be representing it are... boring yes, but representing the infinite, I don't think so... from my perspective, it's the infinite that gets bored living though us when we keep letting bad guys / aliens rule our world because we're afraid to take a step up and gain our rightful role as co-creators and take dominion over the earth like we've been commanded to do from day one...

[14 Chakras]

"I'm sorry if I made you feel like I was attacking your post."

I did not feel this way and I like your post... but I realize I may be coming off a bit defensive or confrontational... I've got some work to do on my writing styles I'm aware of that! working on it working on it... ....


"I don't believe we're graduating at all...unless it's as a species."

Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about. I think it's time that humanity graduates to a higher level in the schoolroom where things are a lot cooler and a lot better for everyone. If you look at recorded history, it's pretty obvious the world hasn't been the best, tons of warring, short lives, small elites ruling, the populace often living like slaves... not that cool, or fun of a story to keep going indefinitely.

"I think many of us are hyperdimensional travelers who have come into this realm from next higher level of consciousness"

I agree, I think that many volunteered to come here now to be a part of the team that will help raise this planet back up to a place that is a lot more like a playground for the average being than a disaster zone which unfortunately for many it appears to be...

I think one of the risk when a high consciousness being comes into a lower consciousness place, is that they can get trapped in the illusions of that place... so however high we are when you come here, when we come in, we take on the collective consciousness and some illusions from that... the next challenge I think is breaking back out of that, and the best time to do that is while your still in embodiment so we can lend a helping hand / consciousness while you're here. Ie. If we're from a higher. more love based place, then we should be able to be in the world but not of the world... but that takes work

[Moxie]

"at the highest levels we're connected, so our only desire is to see others become more rather than take away from them... when we see that clearly, the source can trust us with a lot more light because we won't misuse it..."

Is everybody’s higher self the same, having the same attributes? It appears to be that everybody’s Ego is fundamentally the same… the ego being how you look, your job, your income, where you live, your pride & self image, that of having individual identity apart from others, victim/oppressor, the I‘m better than you are mentality, territorial, judgmental….

There is a lot of “I think” or “I believe”… I desire for irrefutable “I KNOWs”. This world is an “in your face” place, “salt in the wounds” reminder of the apparent lack of Actual Knowledge that WORKS to INCLUDE everyone as valuable. Perhaps this is the Purpose of planet Earth.

What I know is that all Humans NEED food/water, shelter & Love… that is Actuality AND Reality.

The Actual truth is, I’m afraid, the problem is US & not THEM (you know, Illuminati/Aliens/the “other“). How can we profess ourselves to be the “good guys”? We just have NOT taken responsibility for our own miserable little lives … and many of those that apparently HAVE, make a living off it by selling their information, their workshops, their books.

Everybody talks about reincarnation, ascending, shifts in consciousness, discerning, etc… EVERYBODY has their freakin’ opinion and nobody really KNOWS for sure much of anything except the hard core truth of our fundamental needs as a human being in the immediate “here” on planet earth and we can’t even feed the starving nations! I’ve done well to ensure my home place w/food/garden/well water to try to ride the wave of Flu pandemic, financial meltdown, whatever else is I in the offing to try & survive. But truth be told, I’ve not taken a meal to anyone in need and I have plenty. What IS that??? I won’t do it unless the whole world cooperates type thing???


Sorry, I got off into a bit of a rant… arghhh… as I crawl back out of the knarly mess…. lol

“The stomache akin to brain (intake food/info)and the heart like the liver to help digest and retain the necessary ...truth”

Very good, but tell me, what is it that propels one into action, that propels multitudes toward a common goal? Wingmakers talks about the near future when discovery of the Soul is discovered & irrefutably proven… perhaps that is what will take us past the edge of Ego, and past Beliefs into Knowing.

[futureyes]

i'm going to take a stab at this from how i know it ... experience it ...

i have different terms but let's stick with reality/actuality ...

reality is an experience of actuality ...

actuality is not boring ... it is not nothingness ...
it is being yes ... a state of ... no ...
it is not a state for it just is ...
it is like a fusion of all colors ... and simutaneously ... absent of all ...
it encompasses all experiences that ever were ... are ... or ever will be ... and yet ... absent of all ...
the experiences are of knowing ... not of experiencing ...
actuality is absent of emotion felt ... one travels to reality to experience such ... via a life experience chosen ...
actuality is not perfection ... perfection is attainment within reality ... a goal of a life experience ...
actuality is though ... fulfillment ... the greatest fulfillment of being ever realized ...
it is known ... realized ... but not felt ...
actuality has no beginning and no end ... it is only of the now ... a moment within ...
it is infinite ... past ... present and future are all realized simutaneously ...
actuality is absent of time as known in reality ... (that's changing) ...
actuality is oneness with all that is ... and yet ... sovereign are we in being ...

reality is this life experience ... an off-shoot of the actuality of being ...
an experience chosen by us individually ...
just an experience ...
we may have chosen to be here for a specific purpose which we realized prior ...
or we came just to experience this plane ... intriguing it was to us to do so ...
this reality though has become a little mucked up ... we were to effortlessly come and go ...
and yet ... we have become trapped within this 3d cycle ...
emotion is an enhancement of this life experience ... to be able to "feel" ...
somewhere though ... we have allowed emotion to become so real that it has trapped us ... we have ingrained our selves into grooves of thinking a large part of emotion being fear ... is realer than our truth of what actually is ... we've become stuck believing fear is real ... then boxing our selves and building our life experience AROUND the fear box ...
no longer is this life experience effortless ... not how it was meant to be ...
now our work is to come to know our truth and thereby ... neutralizing the energy on this planet once more ... balancing it to what it was meant to be ...
clean up this mess of believing what isn't to be our truth ...
coming to know who we are ...
living it ...

sometimes ... viewing reality from the observation deck of actuality ... one shakes their head ... how could reality be this way ... why in this world those inhabitants BELIEVE ... their emotions trap them ... don't they realize how free they actually are ... why do they choose fear rather than freedom ...

it really makes no logic ... no sense ... how we have allowed the power of fear to override our own creative power ...

standing on that observation deck looking upon reality ... this world ... this life experience ...
one knows with clarity ... all it takes is to tweak our way of thinking ... it is so simple ... just change it by thought ... by intention ...
what's stopping us ...

to me ... reality ... this life experience is like a dream ... an adventure yes ...
real is the experience ... the dream is but a dream ... chosen by us to partake in ...

this reality we live ... in the grand scheme of what is ... is but a grain of sand on a beach ... the beach stretches for miles and miles ...

we have to move on ...
we've placed everything on hold whilst we dance with our emotions here ... whilst we entertain the emotion of fear ... thereby allowing it more and more power ... allowing it to expand rather than our selves ...

we are the ones meant to expand in this experience ... we have so much potential and so many abilities within us ... we've placed it all on hold ... we need to become unstuck with where we're at ...
it is time ...

do we even realize how many other grains of sand we can experience ... the vastness we cannot even comprehend ...
why are we so desperately choosing to remain within this emotion of fear here ...

it is time to live this experience from our hearts ... come to know our truth ... live consciously ... on purpose ...
create and expand that of who we are ...

we've become like stale bread ... ewwwyy ...

where is our conviction ... our passion for ADVENTURE ...

there is so much to create here ...

enuff said ... words got away with me again ...

[macrostheblack]

nice one futureyes!

[14 Chakras]

Moxie - great stuff.

"Moxie: It appears to be that everybody’s Ego is fundamentally the same… the ego being how you look, your job, your income, where you live, your pride & self image,"

- I think your spot on here. The false path, the left hand path, is the path of the ego. The lie is that we keep our individuality when we follow our ego. This is really the opposite of the truth. The egos of the world are very much the same. They have a false individuality, a false light, but really, egos are BORING and are pretty much all the same.

"Moxie: Is everybody’s higher self the same, having the same attributes?"

The right hand path is the path to selflessness, the greatest among us is the greatest servant of all, meaning they live their lives focused on raising up all of creation (not mopping floors!).

When we lose the need to defend and prove the ultimate worth of the ego, do we lose our individuality? No WAY. That's when we gain our true individuality as co-creators with the infinite. I AM a god being, not just some human being. So are all of us reading this thread, we've all just forgotten to various degrees. We are not the same God being, we are individualization's of the infinite, we are here to express our own totally unique God flames in the world of form... we just haven't been doing that all that well for the past couple hundred thousand years...

When we no longer identify as separate from others, we are still us, but when we express our unique talents, it helps raise up the rest of life instead of put it down.

The ego on the other hand is all about the separate self and talents are used to push others down to make it appear relatively more important (as the current overlords enjoy doing). When we are all focused on pushing the next being down to raise ourselves up, we co-create a world that continues to become LESS, not more as the divine intends it... in the process, we become less to... That's the difference.

Oneness = divine individuality, becoming More, raising up others.
Egos = sameness, false light, false individuality, becoming less, pushing down others.

It's the media, bad guys, that want us to focus on our ego. That's so they can keep us focused on pushing each other down while they suck our light out and keep the cattle in line.. but we're not cattle, we're individualization's of the infinite!

"Moxie: What I know is that all Humans NEED food/water, shelter & Love…"

As Jesus is quoted in the nt: "and indeed your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things" Ie. And indeed your I AM prescense knows that you need these things. When we learn to count on the still small voice within that pushes us upward, rather than listening to the voice that tells us not to trust our intuition but instead to struggle to make it happen on our own, we find all of these things are provided for...

Lack is a state of consciousness, and when we collectively overcome it, I think we'll see that poverty and lack we're an unnecessary illusion all along...

"Moxie: The Actual truth is, I’m afraid, the problem is US & not THEM. "

Exactly. The people get the world they deserve, because the outer things are simply a reflection of the inner consciousness. The bad guys can only do their stuff when by our own free will we let them. When we take dominion over ourselves, then we will be able to take dominion over our planet and create a world that is based on truth and justice rather than lies and deception... but first off, we have to stop lying to and deceiving ourselves...

[sun-toon´]

Originally Posted by Moxie

Is everybody’s higher self the same, having the same attributes? It appears to be that everybody’s Ego is fundamentally the same… the ego being how you look, your job, your income, where you live, your pride & self image, that of having individual identity apart from others, victim/oppressor, the I‘m better than you are mentality, territorial, judgmental…

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

Oneness = divine individuality, becoming More, raising up others.
Egos = sameness, false light, false individuality, becoming less, pushing down others.

I think ego is more than this. To me, what you're describing is the dark side, or "left hand" of ego. Is the higher self truly selfless? If so why are we calling it a "self"? Ego drives us to do things, to grow, expand and create in personal and distinct ways, to manifest what we we want to manifest. We are not only allowed to do this, we're endowed with this ability and the right to do so...and all this is fine as long as it's balanced by an ongoing perception of oneness and the interconnectedness of all things.
It's the same kind of balance as darkness vs light. Without shadow, light washes the whole picture away.

14 Chakras...what is "divine individuality"? If everything, in actuality is one thing, what is there that isn't already divine?

Originally Posted by Moxie

The Actual truth is, I’m afraid, the problem is US & not THEM (you know, Illuminati/Aliens/the “other“). How can we profess ourselves to be the “good guys”? We just have NOT taken responsibility for our own miserable little lives … and many of those that apparently HAVE, make a living off it by selling their information, their workshops, their books.

I have a theory about this, which I've probably blathered on about somewhere else in Avalon, that those people...at least most of them, don't get it at all, even though they may have gotten it for a minute. The deeper they go into selling the information the rest of the world needs to fix itself, the farther they get from the illumination that empowered them to discover it in the first place. That's when they start talking about "abundance", but they live in a self created realm of abundance by being surrounded by people who have so much money that they can easily afford to do a $5000 initiation workshop at the Pyramids.

Originally Posted by Moxie

Everybody talks about reincarnation, ascending, shifts in consciousness, discerning, etc… EVERYBODY has their freakin’ opinion and nobody really KNOWS for sure much of anything except the hard core truth of our fundamental needs as a human being in the immediate “here” on planet earth and we can’t even feed the starving nations! I’ve done well to ensure my home place w/food/garden/well water to try to ride the wave of Flu pandemic, financial meltdown, whatever else is I in the offing to try & survive. But truth be told, I’ve not taken a meal to anyone in need and I have plenty. What IS that??? I won’t do it unless the whole world cooperates type thing???

We can feed starving nations, because there is at least abundance enough for that, but this reality projection that we live in has convinced us that there isn't. We elect governments that discard those who aren't useful, and use the useful but disempowered as slaves to create lavish lifestyles for the rest of us. We shouldn't need to take meals to needy people because there shouldn't be anybody who's hungry in the first place. My mother goes to a Christian church who does generous and heartfelt work in Haiti, but everyone she knows there voted for Bush and by proxy the military industrial globalists who Bush worked tirelessly for. They just don't get their own connection to the children who are eating mud.

This is how it works, how we need to dream the changes into action through many channels...though the bottom line is, in real time and actuality, if we know somebody is hungry or needs something we can give, we need to give it.

Below that bottom line is "nobody really KNOWS for sure much of anything". :>)

Originally Posted by futureyes

reality is this life experience ... an off-shoot of the actuality of being ...
an experience chosen by us individually ...
just an experience ...

...and so we come back to reality = experience, though that's not necessarily the experience of "actuality".

Originally Posted by futureyes

it is so simple ... just change it by thought ... by intention ...
what's stopping us ...

Indeed...

[14 Chakras]

Quote: "14 Chakras...what is "divine individuality"? If everything, in actuality is one thing, what is there that isn't already divine?"

Is the higher self truly selfless? If so why are we calling it a "self"?

I believe the higher Self is the I AM. It is not identified as something compared to something else, because it sees that it is part of the whole, but it is a unique and beautiful individualized expression of the whole. It does not live in a timeline, it lives in the eternal Now in a state of Being. We are that higher Self expressing itSelf in the world of form. My higher Self is different from your higher Self.

There are infinite individualization's of the infinite creative consciousness, of which you are one. When you attain union with your higher Self, you birth your glorious new Self. You're no longer operating under the illusion that you are separate from the higher consciousness, but you are not totally absorbed into it either, you are an individualization of it. You've broken through the illusion and become much more in the process, but you've still got infinity to go!

When I say "selfless" I simply mean you are operating under your enlightened Self interest, that whatever energy you send out you will receive back, you reap as you sew.

This is a universal law that humanity does not see clearly yet... It means that when you focus on raising up others, you will constantly be raised up. The more you put your focus on raising up creation, the more positive energy will return to you. From an enlightened perspective, it only makes sense to focus on raising up the whole rather than the separate self because we benefit ourselves by raising up creation.

When we seek to raise up the separate self in comparison to the rest, this is ego, and this causes us karma through the misuse of our energy. This in turn leads to suffering. We may believe it's in our best interest to take from others to make ourselves appear to have more, but the reality is, we are taking from ourselves, because the universe will reflect back to us the negative energy we've sent out to others.

Some examples of fairly selfless individuals, individuals who have overcome their ego to a significant degree and although not all perfect, are able to be used by the light to help raise up creation (in my books):

Ron Paul
Thomas Jefferson
George Washington
Eckhart Tolle
Dalai Lama
Francis Bacon
Alexander the Great

Whereas those focused more on their egos are the deceivers who are not working to create a more just society for all, but working to raise themselves up above the all for their own nefarious purposes:

Cheney
Nero
Stalin
Castro
Insert power elite bad guy name here

etc...

Overcoming the ego does not mean loss of self, it is the gaining of the true Self that is beyond short cycles of death and reincarnation, but it is not the fullness of the creator God either.

We are in a school room of infinity and we are at a very early grade! There is infinitely more adventures awaiting us after we pass this one.

What is "divine individuality"? If everything, in actuality is one thing, what is there that isn't already divine?"

You have a divine blue print, an "I AM" blue print, that you can connect with and attain union with to create your glorious new Self. Jesus and Buddha demonstrated this while in embodiment, and you can accomplish this while in embodiment as well. It is about overcoming the ego and being reborn as the infinite spiritual being that you really are. If you do that, you will no longer face limitations in the matter realm and you will be able to express your own unique divine talents here below in this realm as you have previously done in higher realms.

That's kind of our job actually. We volunteered to come down here into this dimension and raise it up, by letting the light flow through from our lower selves to express our own unique divine talents here in this world of form.

We've been deceived into believing that we are just evolved animals, and that we are separate from the infinite in this dimension. This has enabled dark forces to usurp our own energy and God power.

It is time we take back our power, and take back our planet and I think we'll do that when we realize, we are not truly separated from the infinite. We have access to the spiritual energies and our I AM within us. When we clearly see that and connect to that, we'll no longer be powerless in the face of the forces of this world and we'll finally express our divine individuality as we came here to do in the first place and raise up this planet.


You said: "Ego drives us to do things, to grow, expand and create in personal and distinct ways"

The ego seeks identification in the world of form. It does not drive creation to become more, it may however drive us to try and become 'relatively' more than our neighbor. This will be expressed by appearing to have more or be better than others. It can also want to be less than others if our ego is identified as being no good or a victim. True creativity comes from beyond the ego and I believe this is the father consciousness.

I believe it is the Father consciousness within all life, the electrical consciousness, that is the driving force behind creation. One of the divine flames is the flame of More. Creation itself is designed to continuously ascend in beauty and abundance. God desires to become More through it's creation. When we see our interconnectedness, we bring forth solutions that benefit all life, and when we all do this, creation itself is raised up continuously in the process. This is how things are meant to be...

When we see ourselves as separate, and we try only to raise ourselves up versus our neighbor, our neighbor and we become less in the process. When the whole world is focused on this, the whole world is shrinking in abundance and experiencing continuous lack and negative karma. This is the fruit of the ego.

We are co-creators with the infinite. Your divine individuality is what the creator wishes for you to take rather than the illusion of individuality through the ego. You will never lose your divine individuality, and in fact, assuming you choose the path of ascension, in a very distant "Now" you will be creating your own universe within the body of God! This is the gift of creation...

You said: "It's the same kind of balance as darkness vs light. Without shadow, light washes the whole picture away."

I believe this is duality and it is illusion that you need darkness for the light to exist. The darkness is simply a lack of light. When we shine the light on earth, will it disappear into a blob of light? Will we? No!

We are no where remotely close right now to the fullness of the creators light, we will raise things up significantly, but there will still be infinity more to go!

That being said, we will move from Kali Yuga to the Golden Age and life will improve beyond drastically, and the grand adventure continues, and oh yah, the Golden Age starts Now .

That's my opinion

[rhythm]

Originally Posted by futureyes

i'm going to take a stab at this from how i know it ... experience it ...

i have different terms but let's stick with reality/actuality ...

reality is an experience of actuality ...

actuality is not boring ... it is not nothingness ...
it is being yes ... a state of ... no ...
it is not a state for it just is ...
it is like a fusion of all colors ... and simutaneously ... absent of all ...
it encompasses all experiences that ever were ... are ... or ever will be ... and yet ... absent of all ...
the experiences are of knowing ... not of experiencing ...
actuality is absent of emotion felt ... one travels to reality to experience such ... via a life experience chosen ...
actuality is not perfection ... perfection is attainment within reality ... a goal of a life experience ...
actuality is though ... fulfillment ... the greatest fulfillment of being ever realized ...
it is known ... realized ... but not felt ...
actuality has no beginning and no end ... it is only of the now ... a moment within ...
it is infinite ... past ... present and future are all realized simutaneously ...
actuality is absent of time as known in reality ... (that's changing) ...
actuality is oneness with all that is ... and yet ... sovereign are we in being ...

reality is this life experience ... an off-shoot of the actuality of being ...
an experience chosen by us individually ...
just an experience ...
we may have chosen to be here for a specific purpose which we realized prior ...
or we came just to experience this plane ... intriguing it was to us to do so ...
this reality though has become a little mucked up ... we were to effortlessly come and go ...
and yet ... we have become trapped within this 3d cycle ...
emotion is an enhancement of this life experience ... to be able to "feel" ...
somewhere though ... we have allowed emotion to become so real that it has trapped us ... we have ingrained our selves into grooves of thinking a large part of emotion being fear ... is realer than our truth of what actually is ... we've become stuck believing fear is real ... then boxing our selves and building our life experience AROUND the fear box ...
no longer is this life experience effortless ... not how it was meant to be ...
now our work is to come to know our truth and thereby ... neutralizing the energy on this planet once more ... balancing it to what it was meant to be ...
clean up this mess of believing what isn't to be our truth ...
coming to know who we are ...
living it ...

sometimes ... viewing reality from the observation deck of actuality ... one shakes their head ... how could reality be this way ... why in this world those inhabitants BELIEVE ... their emotions trap them ... don't they realize how free they actually are ... why do they choose fear rather than freedom ...

it really makes no logic ... no sense ... how we have allowed the power of fear to override our own creative power ...

standing on that observation deck looking upon reality ... this world ... this life experience ...
one knows with clarity ... all it takes is to tweak our way of thinking ... it is so simple ... just change it by thought ... by intention ...
what's stopping us ...

to me ... reality ... this life experience is like a dream ... an adventure yes ...
real is the experience ... the dream is but a dream ... chosen by us to partake in ...

this reality we live ... in the grand scheme of what is ... is but a grain of sand on a beach ... the beach stretches for miles and miles ...

we have to move on ...
we've placed everything on hold whilst we dance with our emotions here ... whilst we entertain the emotion of fear ... thereby allowing it more and more power ... allowing it to expand rather than our selves ...

we are the ones meant to expand in this experience ... we have so much potential and so many abilities within us ... we've placed it all on hold ... we need to become unstuck with where we're at ...
it is time ...

do we even realize how many other grains of sand we can experience ... the vastness we cannot even comprehend ...
why are we so desperately choosing to remain within this emotion of fear here ...

it is time to live this experience from our hearts ... come to know our truth ... live consciously ... on purpose ...
create and expand that of who we are ...

we've become like stale bread ... ewwwyy ...

where is our conviction ... our passion for ADVENTURE ...

there is so much to create here ...

enuff said ... words got away with me again ...

GOOD STUFF here

[Lorien]

I am half way through Daniel Pinchbeck, 2012: THe Return of Quetzalcoatl. In discussing the work of Amit Goswami's 1993 book "The Self Aware Universe" he says that....

The ego, which Goswami calls the "Classic Self" - develops habitual patterns of thought and behavior in response to conditioning. Over time, this conditioning creates a probabilistic bias in favor of past patterns of response. "Once a task has been learned, then for any situation involving it, the likelihood that the corresponding memory will trigger a conditioned response approaches 100 percent." In the same way that classical Newtonian Physics is now a recognized subset of quantum physics, "behaviorism is recovered as a special case the more general quantum picture." But beyond our habitual patterns of reaction, we always preserve the potential for spontaneous insight and unconditioned action. "When we act in our conditioned modality, the ego, then our thoughts... seem algorithmic, continuous, and predictable, which gives them the appearance of Newtonian vintage. But there is also creative thought, a discontinuous transition in thinking, a shift of meaning from conditioned to something new of value," writes Goswami, proposing that "creative thought" is "the product of a quantum leap in thinking" Similarly, the Physicist F. David Peat suggested that "synchronicities, epiphanies, peak, and mystical experiences" reveal the mind "operating, for a moment, in its true order... reaching past the source of mind and matter into creativity itself."

So what exactly does all this mean? Yes, there is a difference between the reality we create/perceive, and that with is "actuality". The difficulty lies in the fact that we as a singular planetary consciousness or unbeknownst to most, co-creating the world around us.

Unfortunately we are taught from birth that the world around us and in fact us as a person function in a very specific way. What we are taught however is not actuality, but what the PTB want us to believe is true reality. We are "conditioned" to have certain "responses" to certain things in our "reality".

If you look for example at the Martial Arts Masters of the Shaolin, or the Yogi Masters of India, they are well aware that their minds and bodies are capable of much more than we as a species think. The difference between them and us is the fact that they have been raised from birth with the ancient secrets of spirituality and control of life energies, chakaras, chi, what have you.

The challenge for us is to break the years of conditioning and re-teach our mind and consciousness that what we see around us is not actuality, but merely a perception of a global visualization being manifest by the world-view of every human on the planet. Until we as a planet can come to this realization and as a whole decide to create a new world for ourselves, we must continue to do what we can to re-create our personal experiences in a way that bring light to those around us and teach them to do the same. As more and more people open up to this "Actuality" we will see an increasingly more loving and peaceful world until one day we will reach a state of maximum conscious entropy at which point we will just cease to be what we are now, and become something new.