Syphoning

[Czymra]

Back on Topic!

First of all, watch at least the first part of this series in which the rise of consumerism is outlined.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...25999151&hl=en

Then, consider these two postings:

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...8&postcount=34

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...5&postcount=36

Finally some hands on stuff!
By the way, there are more and more people with real doubts on the Nexus. I do not wish to say that with some kind of schadenfreude, but rather as a notion of awareness.
(Yes, I can't completely ignore the fix my ego gets out of this, but oh well.)

Hi all,

Sorry for not contributing to the thread as it were. I have alot on the plate at the moment. I read it but didn't really want to give half cook replies as the level of conversation is of such a high standard. Some real honest views and problem solving. Fantastic thread.

But I would like to ask avyaktam if he could get some infomation from Jean LMarc at the Ayroville center. He deals with water. He has done some interesting experiments on water through vortexes and the effects that has on frowing spirolene. he also included the effects of meditation on leylines and how the water effected the levels of leylines. This is not the answers to the questions here but it may shed some light on the subject.

It has been a long time since we met, so if you say Tom from the Moulin in France , friend of Kris Misslebrook, talked about ecovillage and the growing of crops in circular plantations in order to harness the power of the astral. If you speak to him please say hello on my behalf and that I no longer have his email. I would love a copy of the experiments he has done.

One other thing is an online book which you might find interesting. An old friend of mine. He is chapter one. You can skip through if for the info.
http://www.fountain-international.or...n/chapter1.htm

Great thread

[sun-toon´]

Originally Posted by Czymra

First of all, watch at least the first part of this series in which the rise of consumerism is outlined.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...25999151&hl=en

Good point czymra, those "Century of Self" documentaries certainly apply to this thread. We can talk about etheric energy or whatever, and have doubts about whether and/or how it's being sucked out of humanity, but these videos clearly show the point where the mass consciousness was redirected from a vision of working for survival to a new point of view of working for things they desired. From there it was simpler matter to convince these new consumers to direct the energy of their labor into the purchases which the controller class wanted them to lust after.
Energy redirected = siphoning.

Originally Posted by Czymra

Then, consider these two postings:

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...8&postcount=34

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...5&postcount=36

These are interesting. Up until now I didn't get that Nexus thing was actually trying to alter "the grid". This sounds a whole lot like Shelly Yate's Fire the Grid movement, which has another global event planned for July 28, 2009.

I think a discussion of this type of attempt to influence the Gaian consciousness should probably be taking place over in the "Hacking the Genetic Mind" thread, but there are aspects of it that fit into this "Syphoning" dialog.

We are each a microcosmic speck in the planetary macrocosm. IMO the audacity of thinking that Earth needs the help of a few thousand humans to raise the energy of its grid is just about beyond absurd. We need to raise our own "grids" individually and collectively, and there will be an Earth already waiting for us when we get there.
The planet will take care of itself, and may choose to do that by eliminating humanity completely. Therefore, as I remember discussing around the time of the original Fire the Grid date, these meditation events seem like more of an opportunity for a group of meditators to be coerced into a stream of consciousness that will allow their energy to be siphoned by....well, whoever it is who does these things. Maybe some of the gods are looking for a little kibble.

If we had a bit more of a clue as to nature of our abilities and our potentials as energy workers, we wouldn't be so eager to allow someone come along and convince us to blindly direct our vital energies into vague directions. It seems to me that it would be much more productive for "leaders" teach us how to focus on manifesting a balanced Earth/human future through every moment of our existence, rather than assembling a herd to dream the same dream for an hour. The similarities to Fire the Grid are unavoidable, and FTG sounds like more channeled woo-hoo to me...yet another distraction conjured up to hook a few thousand light workers into sending a specifically tuned wave into a particular point in the ethers.

[Czymra]

Well, the FTG one is a curious one. There are some places on the net that discredit Shelly Yate(s) but nothing is mentioned about the actual energetics as far as I've seen. I have heard of someone that felt different about Nexus, i.e. gives energy instead of takes it (which seemed to be the case for FtG). I wonder if any of that can really account for what's going on behind the curtains however. If we really conjure so much energy, then giving a little share to the naive humans to convince them that it's good just because it feels good seems a simple treat to me. I mean, sleeping with a prostitute probably 'feels good', as well (not to discredit prostitutes here but you get my point).

I also think it's a sound statement that earth will be fine and we have to take care of ourselves. It kind of fits with my understanding that this whole "Service to Self" and "Service to Others" stuff is just another splicing of the one real idea.

This is to say that 'taking care of ourselves' isn't a StS concept in this context, but rather a matter of curing the root of the evil (mankind) instead of curing the symptoms (earth's illness).
Now you can go and say the root of the evil is the astral plane and it's devious entities, reptilians or whatever you name it, but I wouldn't be too concerned if it was actually us who accidentally spawned the very beings that now prey on us, and even if not, they use us a channel and tool, and the very fact that we let that happen combined the possibility of preventing it by blocking the means of its execution is already 'curing the root'.... or at least cutting it as close to the heart as possible at the moment.

[avyaktam]

When i am in the right spiritual mood problems like syphoning become very marginal and insignificant. The actual problem becomes how this frail frame can deal with the immensity and magnitude of what is coming. Oh no, no need for other dimensions, to much here already.
Counting souls for maximum effect becomes so childish once you realize that one drop of That would explode this whole world in its present state.
Still a lot of work for us in this hour of the unexpected.

LL I will see if I can find your friend, although I'm in a translation with a deadline at the moment.

Love

[Czymra]

I see where you're coming from Avayaktam, but shouldn't it be of concern to to seal all the problems on this 'spiritual mood' before going higher? I mean utter abundance alright but how many of us can really reach there?

[sun-toon´]

Originally Posted by Czymra

Well, the FTG one is a curious one. There are some places on the net that discredit Shelly Yate(s) but nothing is mentioned about the actual energetics as far as I've seen. I have heard of someone that felt different about Nexus, i.e. gives energy instead of takes it (which seemed to be the case for FtG). I wonder if any of that can really account for what's going on behind the curtains however. If we really conjure so much energy, then giving a little share to the naive humans to convince them that it's good just because it feels good seems a simple treat to me. I mean, sleeping with a prostitute probably 'feels good', as well (not to discredit prostitutes here but you get my point).

One distinct difference between FTG and Nexus is the fact that Yates is guided by (what seem to be) ETs...though I believe she thinks of them as "light beings". I don't think the connection between her and Steven Greer of the Disclosure Project is insignificant.

The "behind the curtains" aspect is the key to both of these events. It all comes down to how we each feel about it. There seem to be two camps here at Avalon, those who trust in Astralwalker and his designs, and those who don't want another sorcerer leading them into what seems a vaguely described energetic exchange. I doubt the Nexus event will have any planetary effect...no more than a bird somewhere singing a song of joy to the earth. It's effects are going to be personal, and only the people involved will be able to judge how it affected them.

You're right though, czymra, just because something "feels good" doesn't make it good. Codeine and a half a bottle of wine feels good. So do programming implants accomplished under the distraction of orgasmic sensations. Pleasurable sensations are not the best criteria for judging the value of an energetic exchange.

In the case of Nexus my internal alarms go off. It seems like a violation of some kind of common sense rule of sorcery to participate in an exercise where an unknown entity guides a group to a frequency where they project/absorb energy in a vague manner for a non-specific purpose.

Originally Posted by avyaktam

When i am in the right spiritual mood problems like syphoning become very marginal and insignificant. The actual problem becomes how this frail frame can deal with the immensity and magnitude of what is coming. Oh no, no need for other dimensions, to much here already.

I don't sit around worrying about being siphoned either, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't concern us. Even if we were totally immune, it's still a huge enterprise that involves most of humanity.

I like what you're saying about the magnitude of what's coming. If the wave that many of us feel rolling in, really is, the need to go to other dimensions or to be fixing the earth with meditation seem like more of a distraction than anything else.

I think this explaination of a ley line shows how this can be syphoning the world grid can be taking place. Not all is Giais creation.
I will say that there is more to leylines than what this explanation gives. The info can be seen on the following web site.
http://users.telenet.be/wouterhagens.../grids_uk.html

Ley lines are generally recognised as man-made phenomena, occuring where "sacred stones", which have somehow been charged energetically, are laid in a straight line. The lines appear "naturally" and spontaneously if at least 5 such stones are placed in line within a distance of 25 miles. The stones can be large or small, and the method of charging is thought to be activities such as heating, or impacting with considerable force against other rocks. Other methods could also include ritual washing with spring water, or vibration through the influence of sound.

Any thoughts?

[Czymra]

One distinct difference between FTG and Nexus is the fact that Yates is guided by (what seem to be) ETs...though I believe she thinks of them as "light beings".

Erm, if you mark that as a difference then you're wrong. The same is true for Nexus, but it's not said in the clear.

[Czymra]

Ley lines are generally recognised as man-made phenomena, occuring where "sacred stones", which have somehow been charged energetically, are laid in a straight line. The lines appear "naturally" and spontaneously if at least 5 such stones are placed in line within a distance of 25 miles. The stones can be large or small, and the method of charging is thought to be activities such as heating, or impacting with considerable force against other rocks. Other methods could also include ritual washing with spring water, or vibration through the influence of sound.

Well that sounds familiar doesn't it? However, I still don't quite understand.

This is the first time I hear of Curry and Hartmann lines and this website claims that they are the natural ones. I don't quite understand what the BeckerHagens grid is based on, it's not explained in this article.

If this website was correct, it would be indeed quite funny that Nexus isn't building on the 'natural' lines but the man-made ones.
What I had to conclude is that all this is more about 'psychic' play than actual betterment on a base level.

[sun-toon´]

Originally Posted by Czymra

Erm, if you mark that as a difference then you're wrong. The same is true for Nexus, but it's not said in the clear.

No not necessarily a difference, and that was the point.

Originally Posted by Czymra

Well that sounds familiar doesn't it? However, I still don't quite understand.

This is the first time I hear of Curry and Hartmann lines and this website claims that they are the natural ones. I don't quite understand what the BeckerHagens grid is based on, it's not explained in this article.

If this website was correct, it would be indeed quite funny that Nexus isn't building on the 'natural' lines but the man-made ones.
What I had to conclude is that all this is more about 'psychic' play than actual betterment on a base level.

Hi,

I agree that the web site doesn't have the full picture. But this is exactly what I am getting at. There are lines man made that have been using the stones and so called sacred sites, for a sacred sites is one defined by a humain rather than nature itsself. Although some are based on natural sacred sites, this is not the majority of the cases. The human factor is the very important thing. The filters that are used to deturn the energy to the use of other agendas should be removed before any nexus deal can happen. This is why I am against and for it.

As for the ET facture. This should be made absolutely clear. Without this clarification i can only see the future of this as a complete mind manipulation and serving anothers agenda rather than that of the human species.

So should the filtetrs be taken off????? If they are what effects will they have????? Who control or who the filters serve?????

I have my own views but they are just that, my own views and not sure it is good to give them form by explaining them in public. Giving form gives force.

This grid across the world is too perfect to be a natural one. A bit like prison bars on a window. We can see through the bars but not reach the freedom that is on the other side.
Jailors will come to your bars and talk to you, but only we can open the doors that will free our true protential.


Jerome,

I like you protecting thing. a real filter in process.

LL