Lucifer: Deity of the Elite - Page 3

soapcrates · 09-23-2009, 12:48 AM

Yeah! wot he ses - the oxidised morons got the right end of the stick. anybody here ever heard of the fear paradigm? the ascention was supppoed to have happend loong ago, biut it didnt. reason being - fear. fear ofloss, fear of releasing what we already have. fear of cotradicting God" - the last 2000 ears was achieved by one of the most masterful pieces of strategy ever devised.

remember this : JC had bothing whatsoever t do with the bible - new or old testament. the old testament was one book - one of man, pinched from the Jews completley out of context and then edited and added to - not by jc and not b his folowers - it started with emperor constantine - if ou want t lok for the first surfacing of the illuminati look there.

Lucifr / satan was and is a good guy in a ver specific sense. if thee is no "to" ther eis no "from"; without day there can beno night; without pain, what is pleasure? light without dark is meaningless as is good wihout evil. we exist in the narrow space wher ethe falling angel meets the rising ape - we ar enot good and we are not evil - we are Human. total good, like tootal evil is entorpy it is a state of complete lack of growth, without direction or motion. a "null" space. if oyu look at the tree of life, which im sure i do not have to tell you is a graphic representatio of the two boks that make up the Kabalah, you will see that it contains 3 pilars. One can be labelled negative, another positive, and the one in the middle is a consequence of the other two and represents in reality a vectored force - that force is growth evolution, development and cannot exst without the other twp in dynamidc balance.

Have a read of the workdof Peter Rhodes Dimmer - an old mate of mine who has been intimately ivolved in the ascension form the begining - we were at Glastonbur, holding the energy for the first ascension in the uk when only a handful of people knewwhat ascension was. Heres an alterantive for on christian accounts of the fall - soeof yo must be awaree of the [ahem]meddling of cvertian entities and species in the evolutoon of the human race. you may not be aware that this is part of an ongooing battle that has seen the destruction of at least 3 previous homes for the so called human race0 and that since their arrival here, the lil ole pink monkeys have been gene spliced, mutated, cross bread and mucked around with by a number of extra terrestrials, soem of which wuld, by our stadards be considered as dead [ie spirit] although i have et to get them to admit to wther they evolved beond all the fleshy stuff or siply died.
ohters , like the pliedians were and are definatle alive. we were enineerd as slaves, then as fighters with the intention fo getting rid of the lizards and hten it all went pear cshape when several goups with crossed intentions had a little war of heir own and the remnanats left on earth ended up corss bnreeding woth the humans that were here. [es, there are quite a few elsewhere].
Now, the reason the had a punch up is because they did not all agree about the plans that were beig put in place. there are different plans and diffrent agendas at different levels - and commitees all the way up, as many vibrational levels as you want to go.

failey high up, ther is the pan fr the erht and us to be the retainers of, for lack of a beter name, "the great library" - a store of all data withihn the uiverse / multiverse, and with it, the goal" mostly htiers not ours, but theres litle difernce ] ofhte human race, which is to break the "lock" caused by the two powers [ARBITRARILY termed good and evil] that manifest teh ruling force in the universe as we wld understandit. this impasse has eiesed now in a state of ongoing, checkmated conflict for longer than there has been a planet earth.
No one cna let go becsuse of kind of "fear" of what teh other will do if either one lets go, and fear of losig theri position / status / advantage. the goal of the ascension of humanity is tobreak the deadlock by breaking the paradigm of the manifest dynamic of "goofd and evil" by creating a third and equal power - that of humaity.

If you want to understand what that means, ow it will wok, consider this: ou find a dog that has been hit by a truk, it is alive but in agony and ding slowly. it may experience a week of very slow, agonising death. according to the light - good nits purets form, it is worng to take a life. Evil, if oyu want to call it that, would say it is wrong to end its suffering. HUMANITY would say up yours! and put it out of its misery, feeling like a murderer the whole time but knowing it is the "right" thing to do.

If ou follow the crede of the light to its ultimate [and remeber tha tthe light is a pure thing - htere are no shades of white] then humans cant eat anything. hte whole concept is ludicrous, as is evil and the very fact that they represent dynamic opposites precludes the interjection of an midle ground.

Now, wher edoes all the rouble start with the evlution of humans? it starts with the monotheistic religions Zoroastra was the first, and the it was at this point that the dynamic above was forcibly intorduced to human thinking wher it had no place - the 3 bigh ones - chritianity, Judaism and oslemism came later, but the way the story ges , is that there was this group of ets, quite powerfull hichrequency guys, who really didnt and still sdont want to lose their position, especially not to a bunch of pink monkeys, and they would not co operate [here is the legend of the fall] the leader of that group went by the name of jehova and has been doing his level best to misdirect and confuse humans ever since. he has indeed misled them alsmost unto the end of days and is still trying. Liuciefre,as the old testament DOES NOT refer to him, is in many ways a good guy - king of angels, light bringer and all that - [if oyu follow the cocept of angels as something other than part of the religioius construct, which is feasible given tha tthey crop up everyhwere, evenin tibettan mysticism and tantric Biuddhism - as Daka nad Dakini] Yah, the tibettan have male and female angels!, but it makes sense tha teh greatest, the strongets angel gets the hardest job - to mainfest and maintain the engative polarity essential for the evolution of sentient life in the universe.
[sory if this rambles a nit - it is a huge subject and i am trying to condense a hughe amount into a tiny space with out enough language, dimensions or space to contain it, but thats the essence of it. ]

the monothiestic relgions, wich lead to the social, economic nd financial structure of the entire western world, wer part of a strategy to sabotage the ascension, designed by a bunch of high vibrational aliens with the hump, acting in fear of losing thier position.

our mission, should we choose to accept it, is to ascend and in so doing, break the paradigm tha thas held this universe in a state of conflit for a very very long time.

or not.
take your pick, but thats the story as i have come to know it.

Make of it what you will. [sorry about my lousy typing, by the way!]

orthodoxymoron · 09-23-2009, 01:08 AM

Thank-you for your great comment soapcrates! Lucifer was a very good being who became a very bad being. I think there is still some good within Lucifer...but absolute power corrupts absolutely...and I think Lucifer is absolutely corrupt...and insane. Take a look at this thread...and tell me what you think. I haven't really succeeded in getting anyone to really take a good, hard look at it...and to give me some critical feedback on the substance of the entire thread. You might find it quite interesting. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...orthodoxymoron Also...check out the following thread regarding how a good person becomes a bad person: http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/459

RedeZra · 09-23-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

I desire a higher standard of ethics than that which is found in the Bible. The Bible should be studied for historical value...and for clues regarding life and theology...but all 66 Books should not be the standard of faith and practice in modernity. This creates a huge mess...especially when one adds all of the supposedly inspired and even infallible interpretations of these 66 Books. The principles and concepts derived from the words of Christ should be sufficient. Isn't this essentially Responsible Freedom?

Good News

the Covenant is New

in Heaven and in Earth

for He is worthy

to walk the Passion and talk the Gospel

Good News for All of Us

Look to Me

and you see the face and form of God

Hear to Me

and you know the teach and preach of God

Call on Me

and I come to the Comfort

RedeZra · 09-23-2009, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by soapcrates

Lucifr / satan was and is a good guy in a ver specific sense. if thee is no "to" ther eis no "from"; without day there can beno night; without pain, what is pleasure? light without dark is meaningless as is good wihout evil. we exist in the narrow space wher ethe falling angel meets the rising ape - we ar enot good and we are not evil - we are Human. total good, like tootal evil is entorpy it is a state of complete lack of growth, without direction or motion. a "null" space. if oyu look at the tree of life, which im sure i do not have to tell you is a graphic representatio of the two boks that make up the Kabalah, you will see that it contains 3 pilars. One can be labelled negative, another positive, and the one in the middle is a consequence of the other two and represents in reality a vectored force - that force is growth evolution, development and cannot exst without the other twp in dynamidc balance.

the Trinity

the Father the Spirit the Son
the Giver Giving the Gift
the Lover Loving the Love

the Knower Knowing the Known

the Trickster

Mind the Magician

Conceptual Constructs
figments of imagination

No Mind No Duality No Heaven and Earth No Drama

If you wake up and find yourself on Earth in Hell or in Heaven
Well then you have a Mind still because it is states of Mind

Angels are as real or as unreal as Man

Lucifer and Legions wield the whip whereas Saints and Angels heal and come to aid

the Trinity is beyond the Mind
the Three intrinsic in One
the Three functions of the One Only

Imagine out of the Trinity the Mind conjures up the Mirage of Myriads
Mind Not Real in Itself but a Consequence of Consciousness and Apparent to the Beholder
weaves threads of Desires into a veil of Impressions superimposing Reality and spells us to believe It

Desires and Impressions as the Seeds of Karma carry us through the cycles of Samsara

If not for Mind No me No you and No Abundance

I separated Myself from Myself so I could love Myself
and I hid Myself from Myself so I would long to look for Myself

Good chains with Gold to Heaven
Bad chains with Iron to Hell

And No its not forever Its a Scare Incitements to Behave

No chains attached to Truth and Love

When we escape Mind which is our Destiny we are no longer Man but God

God will use any tactics to snap us out of Ignorance and steer us Home

Be it scare sorrow promise pleasure and pain

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Originally Posted by soapcrates

If you want to understand what that means, ow it will wok, consider this: ou find a dog that has been hit by a truk, it is alive but in agony and ding slowly. it may experience a week of very slow, agonising death. according to the light - good nits purets form, it is worng to take a life. Evil, if oyu want to call it that, would say it is wrong to end its suffering. HUMANITY would say up yours! and put it out of its misery, feeling like a murderer the whole time but knowing it is the "right" thing to do.

Saints will heal it

soapcrates · 09-25-2009, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

Thank-you for your great comment soapcrates! Lucifer was a very good being who became a very bad being. I think there is still some good within Lucifer...but absolute power corrupts absolutely...and I think Lucifer is absolutely corrupt...and insane. Take a look at this thread...and tell me what you think. I haven't really succeeded in getting anyone to really take a good, hard look at it...and to give me some critical feedback on the substance of the entire thread. You might find it quite interesting. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...orthodoxymoron Also...check out the following thread regarding how a good person becomes a bad person: http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/459

I will make a point ot it.

glad you liked my little diatribe. just please understand that i am up to my ears right now - have a great deal to do and never enough time , so it may not be right away, but i will get there. it is esential that "the turtle moves!"
[wonder how many people will follow that! i being mischievous.

Be warned, though, i are not fond of religion at the best of times - it disempowers humanit, and as for the thre great ripoffs that constitute the nastiest [but arguably most briliant] piece of social engineering in the history of this galaxy, i wont lie and i will be straight.

soapcrates · 09-25-2009, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedeZra

the Trinity

the Father the Spirit the Son
the Giver Giving the Gift
the Lover Loving the Love

the Knower Knowing the Known

the Trickster

Mind the Magician

Conceptual Constructs
figments of imagination

No Mind No Duality No Heaven and Earth No Drama

If you wake up and find yourself on Earth in Hell or in Heaven
Well then you have a Mind still because it is states of Mind

Angels are as real or as unreal as Man

Lucifer and Legions wield the whip whereas Saints and Angels heal and come to aid

the Trinity is beyond the Mind
the Three intrinsic in One
the Three functions of the One Only

Imagine out of the Trinity the Mind conjures up the Mirage of Myriads
Mind Not Real in Itself but a Consequence of Consciousness and Apparent to the Beholder
weaves threads of Desires into a veil of Impressions superimposing Reality and spells us to believe It

Desires and Impressions as the Seeds of Karma carry us through the cycles of Samsara

If not for Mind No me No you and No Abundance

I separated Myself from Myself so I could love Myself
and I hid Myself from Myself so I would long to look for Myself

Good chains with Gold to Heaven
Bad chains with Iron to Hell

And No its not forever Its a Scare Incitements to Behave

No chains attached to Truth and Love

When we escape Mind which is our Destiny we are no longer Man but God

God will use any tactics to snap us out of Ignorance and steer us Home

Be it scare sorrow promise pleasure and pain

Saints will heal it

FORGET ABOUT GOD - FORGET ABOUT GOVERNMENT - FORGE ABOUT EXTRA TERRESTRIALS, SPIRIT AND ALL THE REST OF THAT GUFF! "the spirit of god is within you and around you " it IS YOU! choose your path, take responsibility go ryor actions and focus on making the here and now everything that you could wish it to be, and ou will be doing the will of god the mulitverse - it and you are one and always will be. act as if there is no god beyond that which is within and around you and choose to understand that in this place at this time you are the only creator - do not say the devil made me do it because he didnt. neither did god. it is for us to make our own Jerusalem our own heaven or hell. hte key is responsibility. take that responsibility and begin to choose t grow up or you will never see an et or anything other than perhaps the insides of a lizzard.

TIME TO START GROWING UP BOYS AND GIRLS!!

orthodoxymoron · 09-25-2009, 09:15 PM

Thank-you soapcrates and RedeZra.

I think we do have to think about God, ET's, and Government...because we are seemingly being controlled, manipulated, and exploited by them. Are they all the same malevolent force? I don't know...but I smell smoke...and I'm looking for the fire.

On the other hand...if it's going to be...it's up to me. Our planet is how we plan it. Heaven and Hell are right here in this Solar System. At this point...I don't think we should go anywhere else...even if a fleet of UFO's show up...to take us to 'Heaven'. Perhaps ET's want this Solar System all to themselves. Who knows where they would dump us...and what they would do to us?

This Solar System is Our Home...and we do need to grow-up...be big boys and girls...AND TAKE PROPER CARE OF OUR HOME AND EACH OTHER! WHY IS THIS SO HARD!!!

soapcrates · 09-25-2009, 11:55 PM

Gahhh! this discussion is to cyclic - i is heading in a circle and the circle has a distinct inward focus - the idea is to look outward - to expand and to explore in order to grow and evolve. you have brains - you need to be using them for more than doorstops, or you is gonna be on the lunch menu!

The outmoded belief systems of the last 2 thousand years are largely constructs put there with one purpose in mind - to keep you running in circles! yes there is an entity called lucifer there is also an entity called Jehova - who is another et who wants a piece of the action and has been dabbling in this planet for well over 2000 ears- the current socio economic nightmare of the wester world was largely his doing and was intended to facillitate exactly what it has - humans have no controll over their own governance and no idea what is going on - it was a masterpiece of socio economic an religious sabotage.

is there a god ? which god who is right and who is wrong? follow any of these religions - pick one at random, it doesnt matter which one , because in choosing oyu have guaranteed that this group is "right" and that group is "wrong" you have created conflict and doubt - another war! just what we need!

IF you really are so insecure that need a god - then lets say it is omnipotent and created everything in which case all religions are right and all positions are appropriate to the people who maintain them , wether they are for satan, Alllah, jesus [poor sod that he was!] or mickey mouse.

it makes no difference.

no self respecting god in its right ind would make a race of beings , set them at each others throats and then demand that they all obey it , worship it,and spend their time ridding the world of all the other s that it created just to prove tha tany one aspect is right its what is technically called ludicrous.

if u want, i can spend some time going through each and ever deit and destroying them for ou, from mohammad who went round shagging eight year old girls to the christian god who likes creating all these other religions so the christiand can go declare war on them and invent new and unique ways to kill them or in the cas eof Wtches, new and usually perversely sexually oriented ways f torturing to death the only real healers accessible to the populace at the time and so on and so on.

If you want t explore their origins and real identities then that s more fun and more productive since most of your gods the ones that arent completly made up - are from way off planet and arived here to get a finger in the pie of a very nice piece of galactic real estate.
problem is, you're supposed to get the hints and go investigate this so you can realise it for yourselves. that what you can understand it and recognise the truth of it - follow the technology train through the babylonians, sumerians, Ancient egptians - from lemuria to atlantis to egpt, greece and the rest of the world. trace sacred geometry back to its roots and have a real close look at it. you can find all kinds of stuff. including technology way beyingd what we have now.

but go beyond even that and you will find that the universe is an illusion. it doesnt really exist - never did.

all tha exists is perception - yours. and the consensus conciousness applicable t our chosen 3rd dimensional realit - that of the human race. we built this illusion - the so called "Gods" just dropped a few viruses into the program for heir own benefit.

Start by truly understanding einsteins theory of relativity - not just what it is but what it imples [which is way more important!] then go read "the hollographic universe" by Talbot. and study Schroedingers cat, then "resulting" and then put them together. yo might also read and try t understand orchaos look it up on google].

what we suffer from is fear ad doubt -most of which were programmed in. what we need to do - especially now - is to get rid of those, accept responsibility for our ow actions - including shaping the world we live in, changing it to wha tit should be.

if ou really want a religion, choose one that does not take away your power - i would reccomend the American indians.

Anyhting that detracts for you is bad - no mater how good it may seem. the power is yours to create or destroy dont give it away. The one spirit is enough fo any one we are all one and each as much the god as the next. inlcuding JC whose actual teachings said exactly that. no temples no priests no organised religions - as is fitting for a holder of the christ ray - which is what he was.

We are here - now at arguably the most important point in history - this is the pinch in the hourglass - this is wher the future fate of humanity and of all hte tings that depnd on it [and there are many] will be determiend; fo good or bad.

THis forum and the people who have been drawn to it an make a real diference to the outcome. there are sufficient people on here to change the balance irrevocably. But you have to pick up the torch and run wih it. One of the things Collier said was tha tthe androedans and many of the other extra terrestrial races now gatheirng arounfd the earht regard humanit as a kind of spiritual royalty and this is true. bBecaue that is what we are - what oyu are - If yo want to quote scripture - do it fro the right reasons. it is basiclaly sa lod of junk, from where we are now. it is a conglommeration of anecodtal remeniscences - stories, myths and legends. half forgotten fragments of history all glued together - a lie made out of the semblance of truth but some of it is decipherable - if oyu look at eh king james version of the chrisitan bible for example, oyu will see that when god chucks adam and eve out of the garden, he apparently says it because they have eaten of the tree of life, and htey have to go "lest they eat also of the tree of knowledge and become as us"

tere is no mention f a tree of life in christianity; nor of a tree of knowledge and who exactly is "us" the cluse are there. Islam is even more abstract but anyone who goes around quoting things really aught to be aware of the origins of wht they quote and islam has he same roots as christianity and they both go back to the jews. to one specific jew to be precise, and the books of the jews go back to the essenes [at least some of the do] and he name of the jewish god is.....?
and he rason fo rthe fall was that good ole satanwoldnt bow down before us pink munkies. nd he idnt like us because we had soemthing he didnt. IN fact, we had and still do have, everthing the angels have, PLUS the ability and the power to create - i refer you back to Schroedinger and EInstein.

DONT answer this. go and have a real careful think. do some reading. then do some more thinking. consider this a benevolent riddle - a zen koan for you to solve, and when you think yo know what i am really saying - not the words on the page but the truth beyond them, then come back and answer this.

I will give you one piece of help with the riddle. any answer that takes you less than an absolute minimum of 112 hours of solid thinking is wrong. i guarantee it.

orthodoxymoron · 09-26-2009, 02:49 AM

If everything is an illusion...and doesn't really exist...why should I spend 112 hours trying to accurately visualize your perception of that which does not exist?

RedeZra · 09-26-2009, 03:09 AM

the world

a painting in work

from the colors of my palette

wait what if

I leave the canvas untouched

what then of the world

the blind wont mind

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Originally Posted by soapcrates

I will give you one piece of help with the riddle. any answer that takes you less than an absolute minimum of 112 hours of solid thinking is wrong. i guarantee it.

see I solved it in 112 seconds lol

soapcrates · 09-26-2009, 10:00 AM

One very simple answer to that:

its called growing up. to put aside childish things and focus on determining the truth - the reality because until you do self determination is a myth and all ou are is a puppet o a string. [or lunch for a reptile] you are being bred and fed and treated as live stock. is that really what you want? this is the delusion that has been programmed in over the last 2000 years.

The primary purpose f that magnificent document known as the declaration of independence was to make it possible for you to break free of the chains of guilt, suppression and spiritual control inflicted by the manipulation of economics that has taken place through our own lassitude.

have you watched Alex colier's Awake and aware in LA? if not i really think you should. he is very close to the truth.

have you heard of the ascension of the earth changes? of project camelot or project avalon? these people are risking a great deal in order to share knowledge. the do this to assist in bringing about a greater understanding so that humanity can be more than sheep - so the can move forward and evolve to fulil their potential.

ther is a geat deal to do and very little time to do it in. the more you la responsibility on others the more you diminish your self. "luminous beings are we - not this dull flesh you see"

time now to know thy self and stand up.

also time to stop quoting what others say and find a voice of your own - if all you can do is regurgitate the dogma f others or produce drab religious poetry and have no voice or thoughts of your own, you are already paving the way for the dark side, nd a medal the will give you wen the come to power - just before they serve you up with an apple in your mouth and flowers in your hair for sunday lunch! [you do know about the reptiles, yes?] and all the others with their fingers in thepir that is this planet? I really hope you do! get withthe program.

RedeZra · 09-26-2009, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by soapcrates

[you do know about the reptiles, yes?] and all the others with their fingers in thepir that is this planet? I really hope you do! get withthe program.

no

do not

imagine

oblivious

living a dream

and mistake it

for a nightmare

Oh lucid lull

what will it take to awake

time time no time

life like a movie

and everyone's a star

the Projector projects an Epic

...

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Originally Posted by soapcrates

- just before they serve you up with an apple in your mouth and flowers in your hair for sunday lunch!

love Apple

Eve does too

so simple full of Grace

she lifts her hand to pick the fruit

so bitter

the taste of

Law

orthodoxymoron · 09-27-2009, 02:27 AM

Thank-you both. I tend to lean toward Bill Cooper and Alex Collier...although I always hasten to add that I am not in a position to verify their sources or information. Also, I have a hard time with all of the dimensional and holographic stuff. Presently...I just want the Solar System to be based on the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights in the context of a completely purified and reformed United Nations. I want the Human Race to be Sovereign and Free. I want the hard-core malevolent humans, reptilians, greys, etc. to be temporarily removed from this Solar System until they learn to play fair and nice. This sandbox should be for the good kids...or at least those who are not hellbent on conquest, enslavement, extermination, terrorism, etc, etc.

I keep thinking that universal history is very, very sad. I want to know the truth. On the other hand...once I learn the truth...I may go completely insane. Lucifier may be both a good-guy and a bad-guy. Sort of a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. I still think that he or she is an alien/human hybrid who is corrupt and insane...and who has perpetrated unspeakable and unfathomable horrors upon the human race...yet is still the most poweful being on Earth. Again...I can't verify this...and I don't have any inside information or sources whatsoever. I'm just calling it as I presently see it.

I want Lucifer to retire and recover...and turn the power over to a United States of the Solar System based upon the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...in the context of a non-corrupt United Nations. Keeping Lucifer at a distance...as a non-authoritative advisor...might be wise. Obviously...I don't know what the hell I'm talking about...and I don't have the classified information necessary to responsibly formulate much of anything regarding this subject. Unfortunately...if I was on the inside...I wouldn't be able to take a pee without being watched and without filling out forms in triplicate.

deb003 · 09-27-2009, 03:00 AM

ortho,
is there anyway you could add a warning on your first post.
I am pretty horrified here. the beginning of the first video, if I'm not mistaken, was that a child they were sacrificing and killing. I am now not able to go to sleep, scared to death. please tell me thats not what is was. i always love your post but please warn us of the content of these videos as some of us are very sensitive to this material, ESPECIALLY mothers out there.
thanks.

orthodoxymoron · 09-27-2009, 03:39 AM

deb003: Thank-you for bringing that to my attention. I have added a warning. I'm sorry that you were upset. I'm upset that this is going on at the highest levels of our society...and that so many people are looking the other way.

orthodoxymoron · 09-30-2009, 04:14 AM

Here is an 8 part video series featuring Ted Gunderson regarding Satanism. This sort of thing is hard to watch...but we need to become informed...and flush this cr@p down the toilet.

RedeZra · 10-06-2009, 11:55 PM

Snake in a sense was right

when he told Eve

Ye shall not surely die

but be wise as gods

from the knowledge of

good and evil

they ate

did not die

but naked ashamed

for from the knowledge of good and evil

comes the discernment of right and wrong

the notion of holy and unholy

the sense of spirit and of flesh

And they knew they were naked in flesh

orthodoxymoron · 10-07-2009, 05:19 AM

This is why Eve had an unholy relationship with the Reptilian.

RedeZra · 10-07-2009, 05:11 PM

So you see

Adam and Eve

became

body conscious

and with it

comes the complexes

and all the afflictions

orthodoxymoron · 10-07-2009, 08:18 PM

Did Adam and Eve become 'body-conscious'...or were they indoctrinated into a theology of irresponsible anarchy...wherein they were promised godhood?

Check out the following links to the Urantia Book which are relevant to this discussion:

Chapter 53: http://urantiabook.org/newbook/papers/p053.htm
Chapter 54: http://urantiabook.org/newbook/papers/p054.htm

I've been listening to these chapters...regarding Lucifer, the Rebellion, and War in Heaven. If there is any truth to this at all...I keep thinking that everyone was partly right and partly wrong...and that one wrong leads to two wrongs leads to three wrongs leads to...

...a huge universal mess.

The key words in all of this are responsibility and freedom. The definitions, applications, implications, and ramifications of these words are enormous. They are a balancing act...without a safety net.

RedeZra · 10-17-2009, 07:46 PM

Stupid is what stupid does - F.Gump

Devil is what evil does

Saint is what good does

Humans do a little bit of both

God as Being Truth and Love

is above afflictions of good and evil

which only exists as potentials within Creation

Satan is the Father of Evil

His prowess among the Heavenly Host

made him proud and he fell to Hell

which God made especially for him and his legions

Satan swore he would lead Adam astray

Adam which God molded from the Earth

and Animated with the Breath of Spirit

God made Eden especially for Adam and Eve

the worm in the Apple of good and evil

which Satan as a snake ensnared Eve to eat

is Satan as the Mind that came within Man

and in an instant the mind and the shame

of body consciousness came upon Adam and Eve

As long as we are afflicted with Mind

we are in Satan's Dominion

and this is the Original Sin

the Prince of the Air

means he is master of mind

as well as the space outside our bodies

Satan is a supernatural being

It matters not if we denounce him as superstition

He is as apparent real as ourselves

As old as the Angels and older than Man

14 Chakras · 10-17-2009, 07:54 PM

If only the whole truth was as simple as the traditional fundamental christian view... well wouldn't that be nice for those who preach it, but boring for the reality of the situation..

perhaps there is much more to the story...

Do you know in Deuteronomy the one you call "God" RedeZra, the one who demanded blood from it's "chosen people", also commanded that those with a deformity not be allowed in the temple, not be allowed to connect to God. Not only that, their children were also banned for life from the temple. Not only that, their children's children were as banned for life from the temple, all because their grandfather was not physically perfect.

That's "God" huh?

Consider re-reading Deuteronomy and clearing the "mind" (which RedeZra, you claim is evil), and ask the real Jesus Christ to help you see whether or not this Jehovah character and old testament god's is the "Father" that Jesus spoke of.

I personally feel sick to my stomach that this association is even made... makes me wanna puke.

The ones who continuously quoted scripture in Jesus day were the Scribes and the Pharisees. These are the same ones that put Jesus on the cross. The ones who followed the outer law but inside were dead men's bones, the ones that claimed that their 'bible' was the authority on God, their the ones that tried to kill the Living Christ.

Yet today, fundamental Christianity goes back to the dead word to create a story their ego likes and connect the very false god's that Jesus came to denounce, the god's that are outside of us, and turns Jesus story into a reason to keep worshiping them and giving up their power rather than following in Jesus footsteps like he wanted and knowing too that "I and my father are One".

Yes, I think there is more to the story, and I think those that are Jesus' sheep will follow the More in their heart, rather than the dead word that the scribes and the pharisees were pushing on the people.

RedeZra · 10-17-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

Do you know in Deuteronomy the one you call "God" RedeZra, the one who demanded blood from it's "chosen people", also commanded that those with a deformity not be allowed in the temple, not be allowed to connect to God. Not only that, their children were also banned for life from the temple. Not only that, their children's children were as banned for life from teh temple, all because their grandfather was not physically perfect.

That's "God" huh?

Does Truth not have a Standard...?

Im confident God sees the big picture and has a reason for everything

Did not Jesus come to fulfill the Scripture wich He constantly quoted...?

And did He not rebuke the Scribes and the Pharisees for mixing oral traditions and misinterpretations of the Scripture...?

Besides a New Covenant is made by the Gospel and the Passion of Christ

Concentrate on that

---

Yes the Mind must eventually be silenced

for It interferes and impedes the Spontanity of Spirit

Hell is paved with good intentions and it is bricked by Mind

Matthew 16:23
But he turned, and said unto Peter,
Get thee behind me, Satan:
thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

P4BL0 · 10-17-2009, 09:04 PM

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14 Chakras · 10-17-2009, 09:10 PM

Jesus was always quoting scripture like any good rabi was he?

I read something very different. Interesting, same book, some people hear and see different things than others.

Who was Jesus constantly denouncing as false teachers and as sons of the devil and as serpents and vipers?

He was denouncing the very ones who quoted scripture over and over to him, the scribes and the pharisees.

When Jesus quoted scripture, it was usually in response to the fundamentalist who were quoting scripture to him trying to prove him wrong and trip him up based on outer rules and laws. He would quote scripture back such as:

10:30 I and [my] Father are one.
10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Ye are Gods is what Jesus said. I and my father are One.

Yet some would call this blasphemy.

Specifically the ones that had Jesus crucified, they would call this blasphemy.

They would quote their trusty bible in the face of the Living Word.

What did Jesus have to say about those who were the most knowledgeable in scripture and constantly quoting it to let the people know how terrible they were and how they better repent or the great Jehovah would punish them? He said:

You're sons of vipers.
You do the works of your father the devil.
Outside you act all clean and like you are so holy, but inside you are filled with dead mens bones.

etc. etc. etc.

These same ones who claimed to be so close to God and have God in the book. These are the same ones that had Jesus put on the cross.

Would not the same happen today from fundamentalist leaders who worship with their lips but not in their hearts?

The laws of Life are written on our inward parts, they are empowering and they are love based. Are we listening is the key question.

09-23-2009, 12:48 AM	#51
soapcrates Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 38	Re: Lucifer: Deity of the Elite Yeah! wot he ses - the oxidised morons got the right end of the stick. anybody here ever heard of the fear paradigm? the ascention was supppoed to have happend loong ago, biut it didnt. reason being - fear. fear ofloss, fear of releasing what we already have. fear of cotradicting God" - the last 2000 ears was achieved by one of the most masterful pieces of strategy ever devised. remember this : JC had bothing whatsoever t do with the bible - new or old testament. the old testament was one book - one of man, pinched from the Jews completley out of context and then edited and added to - not by jc and not b his folowers - it started with emperor constantine - if ou want t lok for the first surfacing of the illuminati look there. Lucifr / satan was and is a good guy in a ver specific sense. if thee is no "to" ther eis no "from"; without day there can beno night; without pain, what is pleasure? light without dark is meaningless as is good wihout evil. we exist in the narrow space wher ethe falling angel meets the rising ape - we ar enot good and we are not evil - we are Human. total good, like tootal evil is entorpy it is a state of complete lack of growth, without direction or motion. a "null" space. if oyu look at the tree of life, which im sure i do not have to tell you is a graphic representatio of the two boks that make up the Kabalah, you will see that it contains 3 pilars. One can be labelled negative, another positive, and the one in the middle is a consequence of the other two and represents in reality a vectored force - that force is growth evolution, development and cannot exst without the other twp in dynamidc balance. Have a read of the workdof Peter Rhodes Dimmer - an old mate of mine who has been intimately ivolved in the ascension form the begining - we were at Glastonbur, holding the energy for the first ascension in the uk when only a handful of people knewwhat ascension was. Heres an alterantive for on christian accounts of the fall - soeof yo must be awaree of the [ahem]meddling of cvertian entities and species in the evolutoon of the human race. you may not be aware that this is part of an ongooing battle that has seen the destruction of at least 3 previous homes for the so called human race0 and that since their arrival here, the lil ole pink monkeys have been gene spliced, mutated, cross bread and mucked around with by a number of extra terrestrials, soem of which wuld, by our stadards be considered as dead [ie spirit] although i have et to get them to admit to wther they evolved beond all the fleshy stuff or siply died. ohters , like the pliedians were and are definatle alive. we were enineerd as slaves, then as fighters with the intention fo getting rid of the lizards and hten it all went pear cshape when several goups with crossed intentions had a little war of heir own and the remnanats left on earth ended up corss bnreeding woth the humans that were here. [es, there are quite a few elsewhere]. Now, the reason the had a punch up is because they did not all agree about the plans that were beig put in place. there are different plans and diffrent agendas at different levels - and commitees all the way up, as many vibrational levels as you want to go. failey high up, ther is the pan fr the erht and us to be the retainers of, for lack of a beter name, "the great library" - a store of all data withihn the uiverse / multiverse, and with it, the goal" mostly htiers not ours, but theres litle difernce ] ofhte human race, which is to break the "lock" caused by the two powers [ARBITRARILY termed good and evil] that manifest teh ruling force in the universe as we wld understandit. this impasse has eiesed now in a state of ongoing, checkmated conflict for longer than there has been a planet earth. No one cna let go becsuse of kind of "fear" of what teh other will do if either one lets go, and fear of losig theri position / status / advantage. the goal of the ascension of humanity is tobreak the deadlock by breaking the paradigm of the manifest dynamic of "goofd and evil" by creating a third and equal power - that of humaity. If you want to understand what that means, ow it will wok, consider this: ou find a dog that has been hit by a truk, it is alive but in agony and ding slowly. it may experience a week of very slow, agonising death. according to the light - good nits purets form, it is worng to take a life. Evil, if oyu want to call it that, would say it is wrong to end its suffering. HUMANITY would say up yours! and put it out of its misery, feeling like a murderer the whole time but knowing it is the "right" thing to do. If ou follow the crede of the light to its ultimate [and remeber tha tthe light is a pure thing - htere are no shades of white] then humans cant eat anything. hte whole concept is ludicrous, as is evil and the very fact that they represent dynamic opposites precludes the interjection of an midle ground. Now, wher edoes all the rouble start with the evlution of humans? it starts with the monotheistic religions Zoroastra was the first, and the it was at this point that the dynamic above was forcibly intorduced to human thinking wher it had no place - the 3 bigh ones - chritianity, Judaism and oslemism came later, but the way the story ges , is that there was this group of ets, quite powerfull hichrequency guys, who really didnt and still sdont want to lose their position, especially not to a bunch of pink monkeys, and they would not co operate [here is the legend of the fall] the leader of that group went by the name of jehova and has been doing his level best to misdirect and confuse humans ever since. he has indeed misled them alsmost unto the end of days and is still trying. Liuciefre,as the old testament DOES NOT refer to him, is in many ways a good guy - king of angels, light bringer and all that - [if oyu follow the cocept of angels as something other than part of the religioius construct, which is feasible given tha tthey crop up everyhwere, evenin tibettan mysticism and tantric Biuddhism - as Daka nad Dakini] Yah, the tibettan have male and female angels!, but it makes sense tha teh greatest, the strongets angel gets the hardest job - to mainfest and maintain the engative polarity essential for the evolution of sentient life in the universe. [sory if this rambles a nit - it is a huge subject and i am trying to condense a hughe amount into a tiny space with out enough language, dimensions or space to contain it, but thats the essence of it. ] the monothiestic relgions, wich lead to the social, economic nd financial structure of the entire western world, wer part of a strategy to sabotage the ascension, designed by a bunch of high vibrational aliens with the hump, acting in fear of losing thier position. our mission, should we choose to accept it, is to ascend and in so doing, break the paradigm tha thas held this universe in a state of conflit for a very very long time. or not. take your pick, but thats the story as i have come to know it. Make of it what you will. [sorry about my lousy typing, by the way!]

09-23-2009, 01:08 AM	#52
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Lucifer: Deity of the Elite Thank-you for your great comment soapcrates! Lucifer was a very good being who became a very bad being. I think there is still some good within Lucifer...but absolute power corrupts absolutely...and I think Lucifer is absolutely corrupt...and insane. Take a look at this thread...and tell me what you think. I haven't really succeeded in getting anyone to really take a good, hard look at it...and to give me some critical feedback on the substance of the entire thread. You might find it quite interesting. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...orthodoxymoron Also...check out the following thread regarding how a good person becomes a bad person: http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/459 Last edited by orthodoxymoron; 09-23-2009 at 01:20 AM.

09-25-2009, 09:15 PM	#57
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Lucifer: Deity of the Elite Thank-you soapcrates and RedeZra. I think we do have to think about God, ET's, and Government...because we are seemingly being controlled, manipulated, and exploited by them. Are they all the same malevolent force? I don't know...but I smell smoke...and I'm looking for the fire. On the other hand...if it's going to be...it's up to me. Our planet is how we plan it. Heaven and Hell are right here in this Solar System. At this point...I don't think we should go anywhere else...even if a fleet of UFO's show up...to take us to 'Heaven'. Perhaps ET's want this Solar System all to themselves. Who knows where they would dump us...and what they would do to us? This Solar System is Our Home...and we do need to grow-up...be big boys and girls...AND TAKE PROPER CARE OF OUR HOME AND EACH OTHER! WHY IS THIS SO HARD!!! Last edited by orthodoxymoron; 09-26-2009 at 02:14 AM.

09-25-2009, 11:55 PM	#58
soapcrates Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 38	Re: Lucifer: Deity of the Elite Gahhh! this discussion is to cyclic - i is heading in a circle and the circle has a distinct inward focus - the idea is to look outward - to expand and to explore in order to grow and evolve. you have brains - you need to be using them for more than doorstops, or you is gonna be on the lunch menu! The outmoded belief systems of the last 2 thousand years are largely constructs put there with one purpose in mind - to keep you running in circles! yes there is an entity called lucifer there is also an entity called Jehova - who is another et who wants a piece of the action and has been dabbling in this planet for well over 2000 ears- the current socio economic nightmare of the wester world was largely his doing and was intended to facillitate exactly what it has - humans have no controll over their own governance and no idea what is going on - it was a masterpiece of socio economic an religious sabotage. is there a god ? which god who is right and who is wrong? follow any of these religions - pick one at random, it doesnt matter which one , because in choosing oyu have guaranteed that this group is "right" and that group is "wrong" you have created conflict and doubt - another war! just what we need! IF you really are so insecure that need a god - then lets say it is omnipotent and created everything in which case all religions are right and all positions are appropriate to the people who maintain them , wether they are for satan, Alllah, jesus [poor sod that he was!] or mickey mouse. it makes no difference. no self respecting god in its right ind would make a race of beings , set them at each others throats and then demand that they all obey it , worship it,and spend their time ridding the world of all the other s that it created just to prove tha tany one aspect is right its what is technically called ludicrous. if u want, i can spend some time going through each and ever deit and destroying them for ou, from mohammad who went round shagging eight year old girls to the christian god who likes creating all these other religions so the christiand can go declare war on them and invent new and unique ways to kill them or in the cas eof Wtches, new and usually perversely sexually oriented ways f torturing to death the only real healers accessible to the populace at the time and so on and so on. If you want t explore their origins and real identities then that s more fun and more productive since most of your gods the ones that arent completly made up - are from way off planet and arived here to get a finger in the pie of a very nice piece of galactic real estate. problem is, you're supposed to get the hints and go investigate this so you can realise it for yourselves. that what you can understand it and recognise the truth of it - follow the technology train through the babylonians, sumerians, Ancient egptians - from lemuria to atlantis to egpt, greece and the rest of the world. trace sacred geometry back to its roots and have a real close look at it. you can find all kinds of stuff. including technology way beyingd what we have now. but go beyond even that and you will find that the universe is an illusion. it doesnt really exist - never did. all tha exists is perception - yours. and the consensus conciousness applicable t our chosen 3rd dimensional realit - that of the human race. we built this illusion - the so called "Gods" just dropped a few viruses into the program for heir own benefit. Start by truly understanding einsteins theory of relativity - not just what it is but what it imples [which is way more important!] then go read "the hollographic universe" by Talbot. and study Schroedingers cat, then "resulting" and then put them together. yo might also read and try t understand orchaos look it up on google]. what we suffer from is fear ad doubt -most of which were programmed in. what we need to do - especially now - is to get rid of those, accept responsibility for our ow actions - including shaping the world we live in, changing it to wha tit should be. if ou really want a religion, choose one that does not take away your power - i would reccomend the American indians. Anyhting that detracts for you is bad - no mater how good it may seem. the power is yours to create or destroy dont give it away. The one spirit is enough fo any one we are all one and each as much the god as the next. inlcuding JC whose actual teachings said exactly that. no temples no priests no organised religions - as is fitting for a holder of the christ ray - which is what he was. We are here - now at arguably the most important point in history - this is the pinch in the hourglass - this is wher the future fate of humanity and of all hte tings that depnd on it [and there are many] will be determiend; fo good or bad. THis forum and the people who have been drawn to it an make a real diference to the outcome. there are sufficient people on here to change the balance irrevocably. But you have to pick up the torch and run wih it. One of the things Collier said was tha tthe androedans and many of the other extra terrestrial races now gatheirng arounfd the earht regard humanit as a kind of spiritual royalty and this is true. bBecaue that is what we are - what oyu are - If yo want to quote scripture - do it fro the right reasons. it is basiclaly sa lod of junk, from where we are now. it is a conglommeration of anecodtal remeniscences - stories, myths and legends. half forgotten fragments of history all glued together - a lie made out of the semblance of truth but some of it is decipherable - if oyu look at eh king james version of the chrisitan bible for example, oyu will see that when god chucks adam and eve out of the garden, he apparently says it because they have eaten of the tree of life, and htey have to go "lest they eat also of the tree of knowledge and become as us" tere is no mention f a tree of life in christianity; nor of a tree of knowledge and who exactly is "us" the cluse are there. Islam is even more abstract but anyone who goes around quoting things really aught to be aware of the origins of wht they quote and islam has he same roots as christianity and they both go back to the jews. to one specific jew to be precise, and the books of the jews go back to the essenes [at least some of the do] and he name of the jewish god is.....? and he rason fo rthe fall was that good ole satanwoldnt bow down before us pink munkies. nd he idnt like us because we had soemthing he didnt. IN fact, we had and still do have, everthing the angels have, PLUS the ability and the power to create - i refer you back to Schroedinger and EInstein. DONT answer this. go and have a real careful think. do some reading. then do some more thinking. consider this a benevolent riddle - a zen koan for you to solve, and when you think yo know what i am really saying - not the words on the page but the truth beyond them, then come back and answer this. I will give you one piece of help with the riddle. any answer that takes you less than an absolute minimum of 112 hours of solid thinking is wrong. i guarantee it.

09-26-2009, 02:49 AM	#59
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Lucifer: Deity of the Elite If everything is an illusion...and doesn't really exist...why should I spend 112 hours trying to accurately visualize your perception of that which does not exist? Last edited by orthodoxymoron; 09-26-2009 at 02:53 AM.

09-26-2009, 10:00 AM	#61
soapcrates Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 38	Re: Lucifer: Deity of the Elite One very simple answer to that: its called growing up. to put aside childish things and focus on determining the truth - the reality because until you do self determination is a myth and all ou are is a puppet o a string. [or lunch for a reptile] you are being bred and fed and treated as live stock. is that really what you want? this is the delusion that has been programmed in over the last 2000 years. The primary purpose f that magnificent document known as the declaration of independence was to make it possible for you to break free of the chains of guilt, suppression and spiritual control inflicted by the manipulation of economics that has taken place through our own lassitude. have you watched Alex colier's Awake and aware in LA? if not i really think you should. he is very close to the truth. have you heard of the ascension of the earth changes? of project camelot or project avalon? these people are risking a great deal in order to share knowledge. the do this to assist in bringing about a greater understanding so that humanity can be more than sheep - so the can move forward and evolve to fulil their potential. ther is a geat deal to do and very little time to do it in. the more you la responsibility on others the more you diminish your self. "luminous beings are we - not this dull flesh you see" time now to know thy self and stand up. also time to stop quoting what others say and find a voice of your own - if all you can do is regurgitate the dogma f others or produce drab religious poetry and have no voice or thoughts of your own, you are already paving the way for the dark side, nd a medal the will give you wen the come to power - just before they serve you up with an apple in your mouth and flowers in your hair for sunday lunch! [you do know about the reptiles, yes?] and all the others with their fingers in thepir that is this planet? I really hope you do! get withthe program.

09-27-2009, 02:27 AM	#63
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Lucifer: Deity of the Elite Thank-you both. I tend to lean toward Bill Cooper and Alex Collier...although I always hasten to add that I am not in a position to verify their sources or information. Also, I have a hard time with all of the dimensional and holographic stuff. Presently...I just want the Solar System to be based on the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights in the context of a completely purified and reformed United Nations. I want the Human Race to be Sovereign and Free. I want the hard-core malevolent humans, reptilians, greys, etc. to be temporarily removed from this Solar System until they learn to play fair and nice. This sandbox should be for the good kids...or at least those who are not hellbent on conquest, enslavement, extermination, terrorism, etc, etc. I keep thinking that universal history is very, very sad. I want to know the truth. On the other hand...once I learn the truth...I may go completely insane. Lucifier may be both a good-guy and a bad-guy. Sort of a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. I still think that he or she is an alien/human hybrid who is corrupt and insane...and who has perpetrated unspeakable and unfathomable horrors upon the human race...yet is still the most poweful being on Earth. Again...I can't verify this...and I don't have any inside information or sources whatsoever. I'm just calling it as I presently see it. I want Lucifer to retire and recover...and turn the power over to a United States of the Solar System based upon the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...in the context of a non-corrupt United Nations. Keeping Lucifer at a distance...as a non-authoritative advisor...might be wise. Obviously...I don't know what the hell I'm talking about...and I don't have the classified information necessary to responsibly formulate much of anything regarding this subject. Unfortunately...if I was on the inside...I wouldn't be able to take a pee without being watched and without filling out forms in triplicate. Last edited by orthodoxymoron; 10-07-2009 at 05:13 AM.

09-27-2009, 03:00 AM	#64
deb003 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 297	Re: Lucifer: Deity of the Elite ortho, is there anyway you could add a warning on your first post. I am pretty horrified here. the beginning of the first video, if I'm not mistaken, was that a child they were sacrificing and killing. I am now not able to go to sleep, scared to death. please tell me thats not what is was. i always love your post but please warn us of the content of these videos as some of us are very sensitive to this material, ESPECIALLY mothers out there. thanks.

09-27-2009, 03:39 AM	#65
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Lucifer: Deity of the Elite deb003: Thank-you for bringing that to my attention. I have added a warning. I'm sorry that you were upset. I'm upset that this is going on at the highest levels of our society...and that so many people are looking the other way. Last edited by orthodoxymoron; 09-27-2009 at 03:43 AM.

09-30-2009, 04:14 AM	#66
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Lucifer: Deity of the Elite Here is an 8 part video series featuring Ted Gunderson regarding Satanism. This sort of thing is hard to watch...but we need to become informed...and flush this cr@p down the toilet.

10-06-2009, 11:55 PM	#67
RedeZra Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 539	Re: Lucifer: Deity of the Elite Snake in a sense was right when he told Eve Ye shall not surely die but be wise as gods from the knowledge of good and evil they ate did not die but naked ashamed for from the knowledge of good and evil comes the discernment of right and wrong the notion of holy and unholy the sense of spirit and of flesh And they knew they were naked in flesh

10-07-2009, 05:19 AM	#68
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Lucifer: Deity of the Elite This is why Eve had an unholy relationship with the Reptilian.

10-07-2009, 05:11 PM	#69
RedeZra Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 539	Re: Lucifer: Deity of the Elite So you see Adam and Eve became body conscious and with it comes the complexes and all the afflictions Last edited by RedeZra; 10-07-2009 at 05:31 PM.

10-07-2009, 08:18 PM	#70
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Lucifer: Deity of the Elite Did Adam and Eve become 'body-conscious'...or were they indoctrinated into a theology of irresponsible anarchy...wherein they were promised godhood? Check out the following links to the Urantia Book which are relevant to this discussion: Chapter 53: http://urantiabook.org/newbook/papers/p053.htm Chapter 54: http://urantiabook.org/newbook/papers/p054.htm I've been listening to these chapters...regarding Lucifer, the Rebellion, and War in Heaven. If there is any truth to this at all...I keep thinking that everyone was partly right and partly wrong...and that one wrong leads to two wrongs leads to three wrongs leads to......a huge universal mess. The key words in all of this are responsibility and freedom. The definitions, applications, implications, and ramifications of these words are enormous. They are a balancing act...without a safety net. Last edited by orthodoxymoron; 10-08-2009 at 04:32 PM.

10-17-2009, 07:46 PM	#71
RedeZra Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 539	Re: Lucifer: Deity of the Elite Stupid is what stupid does - F.Gump Devil is what evil does Saint is what good does Humans do a little bit of both God as Being Truth and Love is above afflictions of good and evil which only exists as potentials within Creation Satan is the Father of Evil His prowess among the Heavenly Host made him proud and he fell to Hell which God made especially for him and his legions Satan swore he would lead Adam astray Adam which God molded from the Earth and Animated with the Breath of Spirit God made Eden especially for Adam and Eve the worm in the Apple of good and evil which Satan as a snake ensnared Eve to eat is Satan as the Mind that came within Man and in an instant the mind and the shame of body consciousness came upon Adam and Eve As long as we are afflicted with Mind we are in Satan's Dominion and this is the Original Sin the Prince of the Air means he is master of mind as well as the space outside our bodies Satan is a supernatural being It matters not if we denounce him as superstition He is as apparent real as ourselves As old as the Angels and older than Man Last edited by RedeZra; 10-17-2009 at 08:04 PM.

10-17-2009, 07:54 PM	#72
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: Lucifer: Deity of the Elite If only the whole truth was as simple as the traditional fundamental christian view... well wouldn't that be nice for those who preach it, but boring for the reality of the situation.. perhaps there is much more to the story... Do you know in Deuteronomy the one you call "God" RedeZra, the one who demanded blood from it's "chosen people", also commanded that those with a deformity not be allowed in the temple, not be allowed to connect to God. Not only that, their children were also banned for life from the temple. Not only that, their children's children were as banned for life from the temple, all because their grandfather was not physically perfect. That's "God" huh? Consider re-reading Deuteronomy and clearing the "mind" (which RedeZra, you claim is evil), and ask the real Jesus Christ to help you see whether or not this Jehovah character and old testament god's is the "Father" that Jesus spoke of. I personally feel sick to my stomach that this association is even made... makes me wanna puke. The ones who continuously quoted scripture in Jesus day were the Scribes and the Pharisees. These are the same ones that put Jesus on the cross. The ones who followed the outer law but inside were dead men's bones, the ones that claimed that their 'bible' was the authority on God, their the ones that tried to kill the Living Christ. Yet today, fundamental Christianity goes back to the dead word to create a story their ego likes and connect the very false god's that Jesus came to denounce, the god's that are outside of us, and turns Jesus story into a reason to keep worshiping them and giving up their power rather than following in Jesus footsteps like he wanted and knowing too that "I and my father are One". Yes, I think there is more to the story, and I think those that are Jesus' sheep will follow the More in their heart, rather than the dead word that the scribes and the pharisees were pushing on the people. Last edited by 14 Chakras; 10-17-2009 at 08:24 PM.

10-17-2009, 09:04 PM	#74
P4BL0 Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 399	Baphomet . Last edited by P4BL0; 10-26-2009 at 07:35 AM.

10-17-2009, 09:10 PM	#75
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: Lucifer: Deity of the Elite Jesus was always quoting scripture like any good rabi was he? I read something very different. Interesting, same book, some people hear and see different things than others. Who was Jesus constantly denouncing as false teachers and as sons of the devil and as serpents and vipers? He was denouncing the very ones who quoted scripture over and over to him, the scribes and the pharisees. When Jesus quoted scripture, it was usually in response to the fundamentalist who were quoting scripture to him trying to prove him wrong and trip him up based on outer rules and laws. He would quote scripture back such as: 10:30 I and [my] Father are one. 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? Ye are Gods is what Jesus said. I and my father are One. Yet some would call this blasphemy. Specifically the ones that had Jesus crucified, they would call this blasphemy. They would quote their trusty bible in the face of the Living Word. What did Jesus have to say about those who were the most knowledgeable in scripture and constantly quoting it to let the people know how terrible they were and how they better repent or the great Jehovah would punish them? He said: You're sons of vipers. You do the works of your father the devil. Outside you act all clean and like you are so holy, but inside you are filled with dead mens bones. etc. etc. etc. These same ones who claimed to be so close to God and have God in the book. These are the same ones that had Jesus put on the cross. Would not the same happen today from fundamentalist leaders who worship with their lips but not in their hearts? The laws of Life are written on our inward parts, they are empowering and they are love based. Are we listening is the key question. Last edited by 14 Chakras; 10-17-2009 at 09:13 PM.