I'm so confused about 2012 - Page 3

Anchor · 02-06-2009, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by avyaktam

The concepts of 2012 and ascensension (how do you spell that?) fail to trigger anything in me.

It is really good that you think of it this way, and that you have faith in your personal discrimination abilities is commendable. You can't go far wrong on your path if you keep doing that. Question everything!

I think people think about us humans and forget about the Earth. As I understand it, the Earth is the main player in the show right now.

It is the planet that is guaranteed to ascend at this time - not us specifically - though the opportunity for us to do so is present. At this time, we are merely along for the ride, and if you have a mind to, to help the Earth with her ascension.

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For me transformation is the keyword, the One expressing it/him/her self in the multitude more and more, the Kingdom on earth. And who said that the human as we know it now was the last step of the evolution?

Follow your heart.

You may be interested to read the Law Of One series - that may offer you some new insights on things.

A..

Jnana · 02-06-2009, 03:28 PM

I have been digging into the origins of the 2012 phenomenon and it looks to me to be entirely fabrication. The so-called Mayan origins of the December 21, 2012 date are tenuous at best, and fraudulent at worst. There is nothing special going on in the way of either planetary or galactic alignment at that time. The notion of a geographic pole shift "just happening" has no basis in reality. To put it simply, people are just making this stuff up for their own strange reasons.

That's not to say we aren't facing a host of VERY REAL problems. Civilization cannot go on much longer on the current path. Due to overpopulation we are facing major problems with pollution, resource depletion, and potential famine due to severe changes in the weather. Economic irresponsibility and greed have made a mess of the global economy. California and the midwest (New Madrid fault) are due for big earthquakes. Climate change may result in higher sea levels and destroy coastal cities everywhere. The list goes on.

The extremely wealthy of the world who are forcing the planet to keep running on rapidly depleting fossil fuel supplies are one of the biggest problems. They are insane and will not be easy to dislodge. It may be necessary to "crash the system" to get rid of them. Support the free energy project of your choice, and tell Obama it's time for some real change. We may just be able to muddle through. Maybe.

Focusing on 2012 detracts from looking at what is going on around us and doing something about it. We need to get out of denial and fix this mess ourselves. I believe those who are waiting for ascension and a 4D salvation will continue to wait for a long time (George Green calls this New Age nonsense in his recent interview - he thinks 2012 is a date TPTB have set for completing their population reduction plans). 2012 will come and go, we will still be here, and the problems will still be unsolved. Civilization may collapse, not because of "them", but because of "us" - because we fail to remain civilized in the face of great challenges - because of selfishness and fear.

Small changes add up. Find a way to connect locally, heart to heart, with people in need. There are children in need of responsible parents and mentors in every community (I highly recommend the Big Brother Big Sister program). Food banks are having trouble because of the economy. Do what you can - how it changes you is the important thing.

Czymra · 02-06-2009, 04:04 PM

Amen Jnana, I do participate in the 2012 meditations et al but I firmly hope that the others, like me, don't just lose themselves in the fixation on a coming ascension, that indeed does suggest itself.
The whole research, the amount of books there are, the different interpretations, oh it's Solaris all over again (read that book). I think it is an important date for someone/thing has planned toward it and it is a cosmically unique happening, but why would you want to know what it really is about?
Be now.

Northern Boy · 02-06-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by futureyes

carol ...

i feel where you're coming from ... choices, choices, choices ...

if you are ready to ascend ... you will ascend ... you will know when you know ... your knowing will be absolute ...

you will know you are ready because you will also know and trust your family will be just fine ... this too will be a solid knowing within you ...

moving forward or remaining where we are must come from freedom of choice ... an individual choice ... one to be respected by all ...

we just have to allow for our truth ... then choose accordingly ...

if moving forward resonates within us to do so ... we'll move forward without hesitation ... without concerns ... with trust ...

for me carol these times now are similar to us being on our death beds and being gifted a second chance, but that we have some time to reflect and change course to our outcome should that feel true and right to do so ...

rather than laying there chanting shoulda, coulda, woulda ... we can get up off our beds and live our lives in vitality and wholeness in this moment ... clean up our baggage ... be the best we can humanly be so that if we had to go back to our beds now... we would effortlessly decide if we go or if we stay ...

we can now decide from a place of neutral ... a place of no regrets ... a place that we know all will be fine if we choose to move forward ...

whatever we choose will be true for us because it won't hinge on anything or anyone else ... even fresh baked bread

i just know that no one will move beyond if it does not completely and wholly resonate within them ... it won't be possible ...

live life as best you know how in this moment ... be the best you can be ... for then your choice will come effortlessly ...

for me personally ... as much as i like fresh baked bread ... the fulfillment i experience in higher dimensions i will choose hands down over the bread ...

i have never experienced greater fulfillment of being ... nothing in this world, for me, comes close ...

so i guess i already know my choice ...

maybe just a slice before i go ...

brilliant choice of words it was if you were reading my mind

orthodoxymoron · 02-07-2009, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Jnana

I have been digging into the origins of the 2012 phenomenon and it looks to me to be entirely fabrication. The so-called Mayan origins of the December 21, 2012 date are tenuous at best, and fraudulent at worst. There is nothing special going on in the way of either planetary or galactic alignment at that time. The notion of a geographic pole shift "just happening" has no basis in reality. To put it simply, people are just making this stuff up for their own strange reasons.

That's not to say we aren't facing a host of VERY REAL problems. Civilization cannot go on much longer on the current path. Due to overpopulation we are facing major problems with pollution, resource depletion, and potential famine due to severe changes in the weather. Economic irresponsibility and greed have made a mess of the global economy. California and the midwest (New Madrid fault) are due for big earthquakes. Climate change may result in higher sea levels and destroy coastal cities everywhere. The list goes on.

The extremely wealthy of the world who are forcing the planet to keep running on rapidly depleting fossil fuel supplies are one of the biggest problems. They are insane and will not be easy to dislodge. It may be necessary to "crash the system" to get rid of them. Support the free energy project of your choice, and tell Obama it's time for some real change. We may just be able to muddle through. Maybe.

Focusing on 2012 detracts from looking at what is going on around us and doing something about it. We need to get out of denial and fix this mess ourselves. I believe those who are waiting for ascension and a 4D salvation will continue to wait for a long time (George Green calls this New Age nonsense in his recent interview - he thinks 2012 is a date TPTB have set for completing their population reduction plans). 2012 will come and go, we will still be here, and the problems will still be unsolved. Civilization may collapse, not because of "them", but because of "us" - because we fail to remain civilized in the face of great challenges - because of selfishness and fear.

Small changes add up. Find a way to connect locally, heart to heart, with people in need. There are children in need of responsible parents and mentors in every community (I highly recommend the Big Brother Big Sister program). Food banks are having trouble because of the economy. Do what you can - how it changes you is the important thing.

I agree with you. There may be substantial and even devastating events which occur in 2012...but a catastrophic pole-shift or destructive close passage of Nibiru seems far-fetched. In his Project Camelot interview, John Lear basically took this view. Although, what if the moon is Nibiru...and the aliens decide to fire up the anti-gravity device...and move the Moon really close to the Earth? I'd better not give them any ideas! Perhaps we should plan for a responsible future. Our planet is how we plan-it. I anticipate a continuing paradigm-shift...but I'm expecting to continue in 3rd dimension past 2012...regardless of how positive I become, or how fast I vibrate. When I die...I expect to get recycled back into this madness in a timely manner...no heaven, no hell, no 4th or 5th dimension. We may be in the middle of Civil War II, World War III, and Reich IV....all at the same time. I hope not. I would like to see the U.S. Constitution embraced by all nations. I would like to see the New World Order Alien-Theocracy go away. I would like to see malevolent spirits and aliens go away. I would like to see war and debt COMPLETELY eliminated. These are some goals I will work toward as 2012 approaches. Mr. X indicated some type of alien appearance in 2012. Would this be NWO manufactured...or a liberation by benevolent aliens...a sort of Judgment Day? Damned if I know...

Carol · 02-07-2009, 03:22 PM

In listening to David Wilcox.. no worry, our bodies will be transformed into light bodies and we won't even be around for the pole shift. Meanwhile, I'll just focus on building our aquaponics system and mini houses.

futureyes · 02-07-2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Boy

brilliant choice of words it was if you were reading my mind

northern boy ...

this journey is ever evolving i find ... accelerated now more than ever ...
funny you wrote this about reading of another's mind ...

i am very much coming to understand that as we shift out of illusion and into true reality ... this evolution we experience individually is also our collective evolution unfolding ...

it isn't so much reading another's mind but i feel that we are profoundly beginning to think and feel the same ...

we interpret this as reading another's mind but really ... we are clearly arriving at our own truth which is all truth ... as one ...

i only write about it because i have been experiencing this to a very large degree now ... thinking and feeling what others do ... aligning to other's truth ... realizing their truth is MY truth as well ...

and what is becoming oh so profound is FEELING oneness with others ... with the energy of this world in general ...

realizing and experiencing this my self ... it is so extraordinary ... that separation as i once knew it ... is being erased from within me ... fading it is ...

the world used to feel like a very large place just a short while ago ...

and now ... now as the feeling of oneness i experience is expanding greatly ... the world feels so much smaller ... more together ... more whole ...

i feel the world to be a part of me and i completely in tune with it ...

the separation is fading ... we are aligning with one another's truth ... and suddenly i am feeling we are reading each other's minds ...

really what i believe is occuring ... is our hearts are journeying closer to each other ... our minds are following ... realizing what is ... what has always been ...

this is so very cool ... the momentum has very much picked up ... extraordinary and profound things will begin to unfold for this world ... for those that feel to move forward ...

anyway ... way off topic here i think ...

just felt to insert this because i can feel "like-minded" has certainly been stepped up a notch ...

Carol · 02-08-2009, 04:49 PM

Well I finally listened to the Clifford Stone interview and according to him and ET, other then the galactic wave (one would hope of spiritual enlightenment), 2012 is a non-event.

So... I've decided to chuck all the doom and gloom scenarios and focus of aquaponics.. after all, one does have to eat, doesn't one?

Josefine · 02-08-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Carol

In listening to David Wilcox.. no worry, our bodies will be transformed into light bodies and we won't even be around for the pole shift. Meanwhile, I'll just focus on building our aquaponics system and mini houses.

I agree that there is nothing to worry about, but the instant transformation into lightbodies might be a bit optimistic. It is perfectly Ok, though, to be in our physical bodies the next few years.

'In my book', based on the teachings from a deep source over many years, being in a physical body means freedom to create in all different directions. You have so many great projects going, and I am sure your daughter will take a leaf from your book and see the splendour and blessing all around.

(How do I access this Coast-to-Coast broadcast to listen to David, is it stored on the site?)

solitaryman · 02-08-2009, 06:49 PM

I was getting ready for the worst and I don't regret it ; even more after the desaster of Kentuky.We need to be ready for extreme climat changes not the end of the world for wich there's no pysical preperations,only mental ones.

Carol · 02-08-2009, 06:50 PM

Thanks Josefine. Here is the link to David Wilcox's interview. http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2009/02/06.html

Solitaryman, after experiencing 22 degrees for almost 6 months with snow and little sunshine, that was the main reason we moved to Hawaii. Some folks like it cold, others hot.. I fall into the Baby Bear category where I like it not too hot and not too cold.

Antonia · 02-08-2009, 07:38 PM

Hi Carol....
Like you I am confused about asscention 2012...and the whole thing. If the soul harvest is a supposed ploy of Anu"s to keep us trapped in his universe to power it up..is this univers so bad?? I know the theory is according to the Wing makers and others that we were seduced in to this 3d 4d reality as slave workers... but surely if we are all connected by this big unifieid field of thought then we are connected to Anu and Anu must have progressed spiritually as we have.. If books like Conversations with God are all there to keep us trapped in this reality.. Anu"s ..reality how are we trapped?? When this book says we can return to Prime source when ever we want but do we want to???Lose our 3d identity? So we stay here at our own will? I guess..but then there"s the Secrets of Armenti which tells us we are 12 th dimentional beings and that beings (I guess Anunaki/Anu) want us to assend to 11th dimention when we need to go to the 12th..same story they talk of the star gate Armenti being reactivated...which sounds like the Nexus wave theory just explained differently.... then theres the Galactic federation who another gallactic federation say are conning us and that the real federation of light is different. Then theres assended masters and then we are told they are not the good guys... then theres good aleins bad aliens... the bad guys can interfear but the good guys cant... then theres accsention... but only certian people asscend... Then theres the hidden hand and the Ra materials which talk of a three way split...so many agendas.. personally I think the Elohim and the Anunaki and the Dracconians and the Armenti and God/Anu and all the rest all have their own agendas and none of them are better then the other... it depends on were you want to be?

My problem is I dont know were I want to be???

I want to go were my daughter and my loved ones and my animals are going and I dont want to abandon humanity good or bad...
I even want the manevolent Aliens the Dracosand the Illumanati to chill out and work it all out together... Im sure theres a way for every one to be happy
but Im told not...

I sat meditating and called upon them all yesterday to be accountable and clarify thier intentions...especially the Anunaki...and Anu...

I wasnt sure how they were to comunictae this to me I asked for contact in my mind and soul essence and Im getting big waves of regret and codependent feelings from Anu... He wants his universe to work... Hes bound to it and responsable for our awakining now even though this was not his orginal intention .. he has learnt so much from the human experament and wants his universe to asscend to a higher frquency but let it still be his universe... We as souls yearn to go home to the place from wence we came (Prime Source) yet parts of me are attached to Anu"s world and want"s to give it a chance..

Is this really Anu givingme this message or a part of my self??I dont know!

I dont know were to go and how to align my self in 2012 I feel very strongly that the Nexus healing is a very beautiful and positive thing but do I want to re- emerse my self with Original source yet? I like my individuality- key word Duality there... Like you I am so confused.... Cant they all just learn to merge and work together...? Is that every one and every thing re-merging with prime source and all the energy mixingin to one then bursting out in to a new omniverse and staring the whole creation thing again? IsfAnu the Elohim, the Reptillians the Carians us are all just aspects of the flame of Devine source? Then what happens at the end??

Is it all just like a play staion game of vertual reality and our higher selves are just sitting outside of the game holding the controle stick and playing the game??? How many games do we play??? What happens when we no longer want to play??? I want to stay with the souls I love some are no longer in 3rd D bodies some are... were are they all going??? Which dimention which time line?

solitaryman · 02-08-2009, 09:15 PM

How lucky you are,you have found your "niche" You must be an happy person.

Czymra · 02-08-2009, 09:21 PM

Antonia, you are aware that the different system you speak of are all 'stories' just like the one's you're told on TV?
Don't look at the players, look at what plays out.

Antonia · 02-09-2009, 12:22 AM

Id like to...see what plays out...but then Im told that we create our own reality so I have to take responsability for what plays out in my reality...so.. I have to chose a story... or maybe write my own... Hey there"s a good way of going about it... so Ill just write a story were we all end up happy together and creating beautiful realities... cheers.. Cyzmra

tone3jaguar · 02-09-2009, 12:36 AM

There are 2 categories of knowledge when it comes to the 2012 subject. Those two categories are what you need to know, and what is interesting to learn.

What you need to know is how to stay in the moment and have gratitude. That is it, nothing else is needed. Strait forward and simple. Remember that anticipation of the future is what causes anxiety. This won't prevent you from going though it successfully. Even though it wont prevent you from making the jump to the next highest dimension in this universe, it will make it a huge pain in the ass.

The metaphysical logistics of what is going to happen are purely an intelectual study and nothing more. You could be completely oblivious to the whole thing, and as long as you are taking it as it comes and keeping your consiousness out of the past and the future, the whole thing will be as effortless as breathing. There might be the occasional athsma attack (metaphorical) due to the purging of the past from your consciousness. However, even that will pass even if you do not know what it causing it.

In 4th density the world will appear from your sensory perception to be as this world does. Loafs of bread and paints for painting will still be around. The difference is that the art of manifestation will be effortless. Instead of having to go out for the flower and yeast, you will just think about it being in the fridge and it will be there. It is just a much more positive effortless version of material reality.

Then there is upper 4th density. You continue down your archetypal learning curve in this new reality. That is unless you have already completed it here in this density. Once this evolution of your soul is finished, you will have the option of going for full 4th density ascension where in you attain an unvieled uplink to your higher self in the 7th dimension.

Even the people who die before the galactic crossing will still ascend to 4th density astral. From this point they will have the option of reincarnating on another 3rd density planet. Probably one that is at the same stage of evolution that we have been at for the last few decades. The boat may sail for some, but they can still get in the water and start swimming until they get to the shore and have the chance to get on the next boat.

tone3jaguar · 02-09-2009, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by avyaktam

The concepts of 2012 and ascensension (how do you spell that?) fail to trigger anything in me. The mayan religion never triggered my interest either, but I know they used human sacrifice (just as satanist do today), and I fail to see how something from such an obscure source in the past can be the pivotal information regarding the great spiritual changes that are taking place today.
Also the concept of ascension smells of the same escapatism expressed by Budism and many Indian filosophies; with the motto this world is an illusion get out of it and you are free. I also fail to see any advantage in ascending into the 4th dimension. From what I understand they mean the astral plane with that, well that is a level of existence mainly filled with beings and enteties that are all but spiritual, a very dangerous environment full with traps, illusions and false powers, an environmont that fullfills more the 'needs' of the ego than of the soul. Did we all go through this long and often painful evolution as a kind of school, just for a few souls to graduate and move on? I think the manifestation has a greater purpose that this. For me transformation is the keyword, the One expressing it/him/her self in the multitude more and more, the Kingdom on earth. And who said that the human as we know it now was the last step of the evolution?

You should watch one of these vids.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?...en&emb=0&aq=f#

It is very intellectual in scope, you would enjoy it.

Anchor · 02-09-2009, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Antonia

Id like to...see what plays out...but then Im told that we create our own reality so I have to take responsability for what plays out in my reality...so.. I have to chose a story... or maybe write my own... Hey there"s a good way of going about it... so Ill just write a story were we all end up happy together and creating beautiful realities...

I think much light shines on you.

You do create your reality - we are all players on the stage, and you write the script.

To write your perfect story - listen to and follow your heart first, then use your mind.

A..

Carmen · 02-09-2009, 10:05 AM

Best just to keep making bread, Carol. What is it they say? Before enlightenment - chopping wood, carting water - after enlightenment - chopping wood carting water!!!

Something like that.

None of us really know, we do the best we can, and intend our future.

Love and Light

Carmen

:thum b_yello:

cantaloupe · 02-17-2009, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

You should watch one of these vids.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?...en&emb=0&aq=f#

It is very intellectual in scope, you would enjoy it.

Lungold was interesting, but many of the things he predicted using Calleman's theories didn't happen. it may be a timeline thing or a free will thing or maybe the Mayan day/night version of events just doesn't describe what is happening that well. There have been epic disagreements between even the founding fathers of the whole Mayan 2012 phenom.

Carol · 02-17-2009, 04:19 PM

Has anyone had the thought that 2012 is just another Y2K?

Dantheman62 · 02-17-2009, 04:28 PM

Of course!

Dantheman62 · 02-17-2009, 06:39 PM

Elaborate?, well sure, there's only one thing in life that is 100% for sure going to happen and that's death. Doesn't really matter if it happens in 2012 or before or after, but it's going to happen, and then at that point we move on to the next life experience, whatever that may be.

I like to think and hope that being on a forum like this and many others, that I'll get tomorrows news today! In otherwards I only need about a half day to prepare. If I know something is going to happen tomorrow then I can go to Walmart and get everything I need to sustain me for awhile, in just a couple hours worth of shopping.

Simplistic?, yes, but it keeps me level headed and not in a worry state of mind wondering how to prepare. Right or wrong, I don't know, and it might come back to bite me, but as long as I'm one step ahead of everybody else I feel ok. That's where keeping my eyes and ears open and learning as much as I can now will hopefully pay off!

Carol · 02-17-2009, 07:54 PM

I've sensed that the timeline shifted again a day to two ago.

In addition, according to an inside contact there is a space war in-progress going on over our heads right now where earth status is Red Emergency.

Ed Grimsly claims this has been going on but last night's C2C guest, Peter Davenport said there was some type of combat was going on between two space crafts

Dantheman62 · 02-17-2009, 08:02 PM

Ya think Carol?, well you might be right and should watch this video! SERIOUS!

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvi..._outer_space_/

There is something going on out there, but it is kind of hard to tell from the video, but watch it a couple times.

02-06-2009, 03:28 PM	#52
Jnana Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 653	Re: I'm so confused about 2012 I have been digging into the origins of the 2012 phenomenon and it looks to me to be entirely fabrication. The so-called Mayan origins of the December 21, 2012 date are tenuous at best, and fraudulent at worst. There is nothing special going on in the way of either planetary or galactic alignment at that time. The notion of a geographic pole shift "just happening" has no basis in reality. To put it simply, people are just making this stuff up for their own strange reasons. That's not to say we aren't facing a host of VERY REAL problems. Civilization cannot go on much longer on the current path. Due to overpopulation we are facing major problems with pollution, resource depletion, and potential famine due to severe changes in the weather. Economic irresponsibility and greed have made a mess of the global economy. California and the midwest (New Madrid fault) are due for big earthquakes. Climate change may result in higher sea levels and destroy coastal cities everywhere. The list goes on. The extremely wealthy of the world who are forcing the planet to keep running on rapidly depleting fossil fuel supplies are one of the biggest problems. They are insane and will not be easy to dislodge. It may be necessary to "crash the system" to get rid of them. Support the free energy project of your choice, and tell Obama it's time for some real change. We may just be able to muddle through. Maybe. Focusing on 2012 detracts from looking at what is going on around us and doing something about it. We need to get out of denial and fix this mess ourselves. I believe those who are waiting for ascension and a 4D salvation will continue to wait for a long time (George Green calls this New Age nonsense in his recent interview - he thinks 2012 is a date TPTB have set for completing their population reduction plans). 2012 will come and go, we will still be here, and the problems will still be unsolved. Civilization may collapse, not because of "them", but because of "us" - because we fail to remain civilized in the face of great challenges - because of selfishness and fear. Small changes add up. Find a way to connect locally, heart to heart, with people in need. There are children in need of responsible parents and mentors in every community (I highly recommend the Big Brother Big Sister program). Food banks are having trouble because of the economy. Do what you can - how it changes you is the important thing.

02-06-2009, 04:04 PM	#53
Czymra Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 1,151	Re: I'm so confused about 2012 Amen Jnana, I do participate in the 2012 meditations et al but I firmly hope that the others, like me, don't just lose themselves in the fixation on a coming ascension, that indeed does suggest itself. The whole research, the amount of books there are, the different interpretations, oh it's Solaris all over again (read that book). I think it is an important date for someone/thing has planned toward it and it is a cosmically unique happening, but why would you want to know what it really is about? Be now.

02-07-2009, 03:22 PM	#56
Carol Project Avalon Hero Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Big Island, Hawaii Posts: 2,008	Re: I'm so confused about 2012 In listening to David Wilcox.. no worry, our bodies will be transformed into light bodies and we won't even be around for the pole shift. Meanwhile, I'll just focus on building our aquaponics system and mini houses. __________________ Aloha, thank you, do jeh, toda, arigato, merci, grazie, salamat po, gracias, tack, sukria, danke schoen, kiitos, dank u, mahalo nui loa Images to nourish the spirit: http://mistsofavalon.invisionplus.ne...&showtopic=198 Last edited by Carol; 02-07-2009 at 03:24 PM.

02-08-2009, 04:49 PM	#58
Carol Project Avalon Hero Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Big Island, Hawaii Posts: 2,008	Re: I'm so confused about 2012 Well I finally listened to the Clifford Stone interview and according to him and ET, other then the galactic wave (one would hope of spiritual enlightenment), 2012 is a non-event. So... I've decided to chuck all the doom and gloom scenarios and focus of aquaponics.. after all, one does have to eat, doesn't one? __________________ Aloha, thank you, do jeh, toda, arigato, merci, grazie, salamat po, gracias, tack, sukria, danke schoen, kiitos, dank u, mahalo nui loa Images to nourish the spirit: http://mistsofavalon.invisionplus.ne...&showtopic=198

02-08-2009, 06:49 PM	#60
solitaryman Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 58	Re: I'm so confused about 2012 I was getting ready for the worst and I don't regret it ; even more after the desaster of Kentuky.We need to be ready for extreme climat changes not the end of the world for wich there's no pysical preperations,only mental ones.

02-08-2009, 06:50 PM	#61
Carol Project Avalon Hero Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Big Island, Hawaii Posts: 2,008	Re: I'm so confused about 2012 Thanks Josefine. Here is the link to David Wilcox's interview. http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2009/02/06.html Solitaryman, after experiencing 22 degrees for almost 6 months with snow and little sunshine, that was the main reason we moved to Hawaii. Some folks like it cold, others hot.. I fall into the Baby Bear category where I like it not too hot and not too cold. __________________ Aloha, thank you, do jeh, toda, arigato, merci, grazie, salamat po, gracias, tack, sukria, danke schoen, kiitos, dank u, mahalo nui loa Images to nourish the spirit: http://mistsofavalon.invisionplus.ne...&showtopic=198 Last edited by Carol; 02-08-2009 at 06:54 PM.

02-08-2009, 07:38 PM	#62
Antonia Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Dublin , Ireland Posts: 341	Re: I'm so confused about 2012 Hi Carol.... Like you I am confused about asscention 2012...and the whole thing. If the soul harvest is a supposed ploy of Anu"s to keep us trapped in his universe to power it up..is this univers so bad?? I know the theory is according to the Wing makers and others that we were seduced in to this 3d 4d reality as slave workers... but surely if we are all connected by this big unifieid field of thought then we are connected to Anu and Anu must have progressed spiritually as we have.. If books like Conversations with God are all there to keep us trapped in this reality.. Anu"s ..reality how are we trapped?? When this book says we can return to Prime source when ever we want but do we want to???Lose our 3d identity? So we stay here at our own will? I guess..but then there"s the Secrets of Armenti which tells us we are 12 th dimentional beings and that beings (I guess Anunaki/Anu) want us to assend to 11th dimention when we need to go to the 12th..same story they talk of the star gate Armenti being reactivated...which sounds like the Nexus wave theory just explained differently.... then theres the Galactic federation who another gallactic federation say are conning us and that the real federation of light is different. Then theres assended masters and then we are told they are not the good guys... then theres good aleins bad aliens... the bad guys can interfear but the good guys cant... then theres accsention... but only certian people asscend... Then theres the hidden hand and the Ra materials which talk of a three way split...so many agendas.. personally I think the Elohim and the Anunaki and the Dracconians and the Armenti and God/Anu and all the rest all have their own agendas and none of them are better then the other... it depends on were you want to be? My problem is I dont know were I want to be??? I want to go were my daughter and my loved ones and my animals are going and I dont want to abandon humanity good or bad... I even want the manevolent Aliens the Dracosand the Illumanati to chill out and work it all out together... Im sure theres a way for every one to be happy but Im told not... I sat meditating and called upon them all yesterday to be accountable and clarify thier intentions...especially the Anunaki...and Anu... I wasnt sure how they were to comunictae this to me I asked for contact in my mind and soul essence and Im getting big waves of regret and codependent feelings from Anu... He wants his universe to work... Hes bound to it and responsable for our awakining now even though this was not his orginal intention .. he has learnt so much from the human experament and wants his universe to asscend to a higher frquency but let it still be his universe... We as souls yearn to go home to the place from wence we came (Prime Source) yet parts of me are attached to Anu"s world and want"s to give it a chance.. Is this really Anu givingme this message or a part of my self??I dont know! I dont know were to go and how to align my self in 2012 I feel very strongly that the Nexus healing is a very beautiful and positive thing but do I want to re- emerse my self with Original source yet? I like my individuality- key word Duality there... Like you I am so confused.... Cant they all just learn to merge and work together...? Is that every one and every thing re-merging with prime source and all the energy mixingin to one then bursting out in to a new omniverse and staring the whole creation thing again? IsfAnu the Elohim, the Reptillians the Carians us are all just aspects of the flame of Devine source? Then what happens at the end?? Is it all just like a play staion game of vertual reality and our higher selves are just sitting outside of the game holding the controle stick and playing the game??? How many games do we play??? What happens when we no longer want to play??? I want to stay with the souls I love some are no longer in 3rd D bodies some are... were are they all going??? Which dimention which time line?

02-08-2009, 09:15 PM	#63
solitaryman Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 58	Re: I'm so confused about 2012 How lucky you are,you have found your "niche" You must be an happy person.

02-08-2009, 09:21 PM	#64
Czymra Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 1,151	Re: I'm so confused about 2012 Antonia, you are aware that the different system you speak of are all 'stories' just like the one's you're told on TV? Don't look at the players, look at what plays out.

02-09-2009, 12:22 AM	#65
Antonia Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Dublin , Ireland Posts: 341	Re: I'm so confused about 2012 Id like to...see what plays out...but then Im told that we create our own reality so I have to take responsability for what plays out in my reality...so.. I have to chose a story... or maybe write my own... Hey there"s a good way of going about it... so Ill just write a story were we all end up happy together and creating beautiful realities... cheers.. Cyzmra

02-09-2009, 12:36 AM	#66
tone3jaguar Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: www.altimatrix.com Posts: 1,525	Re: I'm so confused about 2012 There are 2 categories of knowledge when it comes to the 2012 subject. Those two categories are what you need to know, and what is interesting to learn. What you need to know is how to stay in the moment and have gratitude. That is it, nothing else is needed. Strait forward and simple. Remember that anticipation of the future is what causes anxiety. This won't prevent you from going though it successfully. Even though it wont prevent you from making the jump to the next highest dimension in this universe, it will make it a huge pain in the ass. The metaphysical logistics of what is going to happen are purely an intelectual study and nothing more. You could be completely oblivious to the whole thing, and as long as you are taking it as it comes and keeping your consiousness out of the past and the future, the whole thing will be as effortless as breathing. There might be the occasional athsma attack (metaphorical) due to the purging of the past from your consciousness. However, even that will pass even if you do not know what it causing it. In 4th density the world will appear from your sensory perception to be as this world does. Loafs of bread and paints for painting will still be around. The difference is that the art of manifestation will be effortless. Instead of having to go out for the flower and yeast, you will just think about it being in the fridge and it will be there. It is just a much more positive effortless version of material reality. Then there is upper 4th density. You continue down your archetypal learning curve in this new reality. That is unless you have already completed it here in this density. Once this evolution of your soul is finished, you will have the option of going for full 4th density ascension where in you attain an unvieled uplink to your higher self in the 7th dimension. Even the people who die before the galactic crossing will still ascend to 4th density astral. From this point they will have the option of reincarnating on another 3rd density planet. Probably one that is at the same stage of evolution that we have been at for the last few decades. The boat may sail for some, but they can still get in the water and start swimming until they get to the shore and have the chance to get on the next boat.

02-09-2009, 10:05 AM	#69
Carmen Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 992	Re: I'm so confused about 2012 Best just to keep making bread, Carol. What is it they say? Before enlightenment - chopping wood, carting water - after enlightenment - chopping wood carting water!!! Something like that. None of us really know, we do the best we can, and intend our future. Love and Light Carmen:thum b_yello:

02-17-2009, 04:19 PM	#71
Carol Project Avalon Hero Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Big Island, Hawaii Posts: 2,008	Re: I'm so confused about 2012 Has anyone had the thought that 2012 is just another Y2K? __________________ Aloha, thank you, do jeh, toda, arigato, merci, grazie, salamat po, gracias, tack, sukria, danke schoen, kiitos, dank u, mahalo nui loa Images to nourish the spirit: http://mistsofavalon.invisionplus.ne...&showtopic=198

02-17-2009, 04:28 PM	#72
Dantheman62 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: So. Cal. U.S. Posts: 4,205	Re: I'm so confused about 2012 Of course!

02-17-2009, 06:39 PM	#73
Dantheman62 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: So. Cal. U.S. Posts: 4,205	Re: I'm so confused about 2012 Elaborate?, well sure, there's only one thing in life that is 100% for sure going to happen and that's death. Doesn't really matter if it happens in 2012 or before or after, but it's going to happen, and then at that point we move on to the next life experience, whatever that may be. I like to think and hope that being on a forum like this and many others, that I'll get tomorrows news today! In otherwards I only need about a half day to prepare. If I know something is going to happen tomorrow then I can go to Walmart and get everything I need to sustain me for awhile, in just a couple hours worth of shopping. Simplistic?, yes, but it keeps me level headed and not in a worry state of mind wondering how to prepare. Right or wrong, I don't know, and it might come back to bite me, but as long as I'm one step ahead of everybody else I feel ok. That's where keeping my eyes and ears open and learning as much as I can now will hopefully pay off! Last edited by Dantheman62; 02-17-2009 at 06:42 PM.

02-17-2009, 07:54 PM	#74
Carol Project Avalon Hero Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Big Island, Hawaii Posts: 2,008	Re: I'm so confused about 2012 I've sensed that the timeline shifted again a day to two ago. In addition, according to an inside contact there is a space war in-progress going on over our heads right now where earth status is Red Emergency. Ed Grimsly claims this has been going on but last night's C2C guest, Peter Davenport said there was some type of combat was going on between two space crafts __________________ Aloha, thank you, do jeh, toda, arigato, merci, grazie, salamat po, gracias, tack, sukria, danke schoen, kiitos, dank u, mahalo nui loa Images to nourish the spirit: http://mistsofavalon.invisionplus.ne...&showtopic=198 Last edited by Carol; 02-17-2009 at 07:57 PM.

02-17-2009, 08:02 PM	#75
Dantheman62 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: So. Cal. U.S. Posts: 4,205	Re: I'm so confused about 2012 Ya think Carol?, well you might be right and should watch this video! SERIOUS! http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvi..._outer_space_/ There is something going on out there, but it is kind of hard to tell from the video, but watch it a couple times. Last edited by Dantheman62; 02-17-2009 at 08:23 PM.