I'm so confused about 2012

[futureyes]

carol ...

i feel where you're coming from ... choices, choices, choices ...

if you are ready to ascend ... you will ascend ... you will know when you know ... your knowing will be absolute ...

you will know you are ready because you will also know and trust your family will be just fine ... this too will be a solid knowing within you ...

moving forward or remaining where we are must come from freedom of choice ... an individual choice ... one to be respected by all ...

we just have to allow for our truth ... then choose accordingly ...

if moving forward resonates within us to do so ... we'll move forward without hesitation ... without concerns ... with trust ...

for me carol these times now are similar to us being on our death beds and being gifted a second chance, but that we have some time to reflect and change course to our outcome should that feel true and right to do so ...

rather than laying there chanting shoulda, coulda, woulda ... we can get up off our beds and live our lives in vitality and wholeness in this moment ... clean up our baggage ... be the best we can humanly be so that if we had to go back to our beds now... we would effortlessly decide if we go or if we stay ...

we can now decide from a place of neutral ... a place of no regrets ... a place that we know all will be fine if we choose to move forward ...

whatever we choose will be true for us because it won't hinge on anything or anyone else ... even fresh baked bread

i just know that no one will move beyond if it does not completely and wholly resonate within them ... it won't be possible ...

live life as best you know how in this moment ... be the best you can be ... for then your choice will come effortlessly ...

for me personally ... as much as i like fresh baked bread ... the fulfillment i experience in higher dimensions i will choose hands down over the bread ...

i have never experienced greater fulfillment of being ... nothing in this world, for me, comes close ...

so i guess i already know my choice ...

maybe just a slice before i go ...

[Northern Boy]

Originally Posted by futureyes

carol ...

i feel where you're coming from ... choices, choices, choices ...

if you are ready to ascend ... you will ascend ... you will know when you know ... your knowing will be absolute ...

you will know you are ready because you will also know and trust your family will be just fine ... this too will be a solid knowing within you ...

moving forward or remaining where we are must come from freedom of choice ... an individual choice ... one to be respected by all ...

we just have to allow for our truth ... then choose accordingly ...

if moving forward resonates within us to do so ... we'll move forward without hesitation ... without concerns ... with trust ...

for me carol these times now are similar to us being on our death beds and being gifted a second chance, but that we have some time to reflect and change course to our outcome should that feel true and right to do so ...

rather than laying there chanting shoulda, coulda, woulda ... we can get up off our beds and live our lives in vitality and wholeness in this moment ... clean up our baggage ... be the best we can humanly be so that if we had to go back to our beds now... we would effortlessly decide if we go or if we stay ...

we can now decide from a place of neutral ... a place of no regrets ... a place that we know all will be fine if we choose to move forward ...

whatever we choose will be true for us because it won't hinge on anything or anyone else ... even fresh baked bread

i just know that no one will move beyond if it does not completely and wholly resonate within them ... it won't be possible ...

live life as best you know how in this moment ... be the best you can be ... for then your choice will come effortlessly ...

for me personally ... as much as i like fresh baked bread ... the fulfillment i experience in higher dimensions i will choose hands down over the bread ...

i have never experienced greater fulfillment of being ... nothing in this world, for me, comes close ...

so i guess i already know my choice ...

maybe just a slice before i go ...

brilliant choice of words it was if you were reading my mind

[futureyes]

Originally Posted by Northern Boy

brilliant choice of words it was if you were reading my mind

northern boy ...

this journey is ever evolving i find ... accelerated now more than ever ...
funny you wrote this about reading of another's mind ...

i am very much coming to understand that as we shift out of illusion and into true reality ... this evolution we experience individually is also our collective evolution unfolding ...

it isn't so much reading another's mind but i feel that we are profoundly beginning to think and feel the same ...

we interpret this as reading another's mind but really ... we are clearly arriving at our own truth which is all truth ... as one ...

i only write about it because i have been experiencing this to a very large degree now ... thinking and feeling what others do ... aligning to other's truth ... realizing their truth is MY truth as well ...

and what is becoming oh so profound is FEELING oneness with others ... with the energy of this world in general ...

realizing and experiencing this my self ... it is so extraordinary ... that separation as i once knew it ... is being erased from within me ... fading it is ...

the world used to feel like a very large place just a short while ago ...

and now ... now as the feeling of oneness i experience is expanding greatly ... the world feels so much smaller ... more together ... more whole ...

i feel the world to be a part of me and i completely in tune with it ...

the separation is fading ... we are aligning with one another's truth ... and suddenly i am feeling we are reading each other's minds ...

really what i believe is occuring ... is our hearts are journeying closer to each other ... our minds are following ... realizing what is ... what has always been ...

this is so very cool ... the momentum has very much picked up ... extraordinary and profound things will begin to unfold for this world ... for those that feel to move forward ...

anyway ... way off topic here i think ...

just felt to insert this because i can feel "like-minded" has certainly been stepped up a notch ...

[Carol]

Well I finally listened to the Clifford Stone interview and according to him and ET, other then the galactic wave (one would hope of spiritual enlightenment), 2012 is a non-event.

So... I've decided to chuck all the doom and gloom scenarios and focus of aquaponics.. after all, one does have to eat, doesn't one?

[777 The Great Work]

Originally Posted by C77

The first thing that came into my mind when I read your post Carol was this...

Your attachments to this world will keep you in the cycle of birth and rebirth.
ONLY you can decide to let go of all your attachments...ultimately we come into this world naked and not owning a thing, and when we pass on, we take nothing material with us.
I guess the one thing I want you to know is that...you are truly loved and respected.

Just a little humor Carol i stocked it with bread and the best honey. We love You

[rhythm]

Fab thread
i can see myself
riseing above it all .
not quite ready to go
yet ,still one slice
short of a loaf ! .
All you need is
bread , bread bread is all
you need ,see i told yer
im barking .
happy baking.

[piers2210]

Lovely thread...great thoughts.

As I said on another thread once, a good glass of Pinot Noir is all you need...its been described as "sex in a glass", so you get everything you want, right there.....

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by piers2210

Lovely thread...great thoughts.

As I said on another thread once, a good glass of Pinot Noir is all you need...its been described as "sex in a glass", so you get everything you want, right there.....

Now I do expect you to bring that to Avebury.... what... no alcohol before meditation. Man....

[piers2210]

Hey Carol, by the way, if you read Carl Johan Calleman's "The Mayan Calendar and the Transformation of Consciousness", you will have missed the boat if you wait till 2012....it apparently sails with all its enlightened souls on 28th October 2011......

Gather up the garden furniture now!!

Atb, Piers

[piers2210]

Czymra, would a case of Chateau de Puligny-Montrachet do ok? A nice medium priced pinot which should go well with the music. Ok, i'm joking...there's a great pub nearby though. Oops. Just keeping a light tone to the serious business of 2012. We've got to have fun still.

P.

[AussieG]

2012 will come and go just as we come and go.
What is important is what have we experienced for that is all there is. If looks were important we would all be beautiful, if money was important we would all be rich, if death was an issue we wouldn't die. To evolve to an enlightened being we need to answer any question to be able to do that we must have experienced that situation, honey is just honey until you have tasted it.

We have a conscious that gently and quietly collects our experiences this is the only real part of us and it is the conscious that goes on. So there is no good or bad it is just experience. If there is no good or bad then there can be no real fear.
As for wanting to stay and care for loved ones, giving is the greatest experience (for it was the first experience of all), provided it doesn't restrict the gaining of their experiences, we are all here to learn.

Our conscious is higher connected, follow its guidance and through intuition come 2012 you will know what to do, but for now as mother Teresa said "find someone who is alone and let them know that there not". The real gift is giving its self.

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by piers2210

Czymra, would a case of Chateau de Puligny-Montrachet do ok? A nice medium priced pinot which should go well with the music. Ok, i'm joking...there's a great pub nearby though. Oops. Just keeping a light tone to the serious business of 2012. We've got to have fun still.

P.

Might you be of French origin? I'm curious about the Ave pub. The B&B I'll stay at looks peculiar already.

As for staying or going, I'm sure when the time strikes we will know. I wouldn't worry there. Also, when you are of higher dimension, who says you can't visit those left behind?

[Dantheman62]

If something happens, it happens, if not then so be it. I myself like it here and really am not ready to move on to the next density. I've got a long ways to go spiritually and if that means I stay here and do it over and over again, so be it. I really don't even want to go to the telepathic level, I mean how do you tell a joke telepathically?, you can't, because everyone would already know the punch line! LOL!

[rhythm]

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

If something happens, it happens, if not then so be it. I myself like it here and really am not ready to move on to the next density. I've got a long ways to go spiritually and if that means I stay here and do it over and over again, so be it. I really don't even want to go to the telepathic level, I mean how do you tell a joke telepathically?, you can't, because everyone would already know the punch line! LOL!

I BET YOU WOULD REALY BE RELIEVED
THINK ABOUT IT DAN NO MORE BIRD
POO , NO MORE LOUNGE , hmmm ,
you could be right , but my telepathic
power tell me ,er, i keep that to myself
i will pm you later i got a better punch line
for yer

[jazzgad]

I also loved good food good wine ,planing cards with friends and family
solitude in nature ,music and good books and could go on
enjoying those passions probably not ready to let it go of them even
when 100 years old .but then something happened during one meditation
I experienced being Sun radiating ,outpouring tremendous amounts of love
and light i come back sobbing and crying and now can not wait till this is over .

in the mean time praing every day that humanity wake up from the dream
so those on higher dimensions don't have to shake us up to hard
I wish gentle wake up call would suffice .

[futureyes]

Originally Posted by jazzgad

I also loved good food good wine ,planing cards with friends and family
solitude in nature ,music and good books and could go on
enjoying those passions probably not ready to let it go of them even
when 100 years old .but then something happened during one meditation
I experienced being Sun radiating ,outpouring tremendous amounts of love
and light i come back sobbing and crying and now can not wait till this is over .

in the mean time praing every day that humanity wake up from the dream
so those on higher dimensions don't have to shake us up to hard
I wish gentle wake up call would suffice .

once we have had a taste of what truly is real ... nothing of what is illusion even comes close ...

a gentle day to everyone ...

[Dantheman62]

We need to get rid of three things for this planet to evolve peacefully. These three things are money, religion, and politics. Until we become independent of money, believe in ourselves as a whole, as one, and be one with nature, and become self governing this planet will never evolve to the next level.

1. Money means materialistic things, which should be last on the list, and money brings wars due to greed and opportunity.

2.Religion has killed more people than all the wars put together and is a brainwashing institution.

3. Politics turns us into sheep and follow those who are in charge, when no group should be in charge, we should be in charge of ourselves and be responsible for ourselves and our actions which we aren't ready to do yet because our level of spirituality is not there yet, not to mention how many wars are due to political BS.

[jazzgad]

what you resist persist
we can not get rid of anything ,the state of this planet reflects
our state of collective consciousness with one belief playing major
role " that we are separate from each other and universe "
only if we believe that to be true the masses can be controlled
economically and consequently politically by elites ,and only if elites
believe the same they can conceive and execute those plans of population control (wars famine disses ) not knowing they are doing it to themself
inspired by higher densities STS .

so once the wisdom that we are One is accepted by all everythig else
(economical exploitation ,violence ) will disappear like bad dream
which it is .

Hi Carol - IMO, this life is a gift. It would be rude to let it go by, without enjoying food, play, love, happiness, creation - so yes! beauty & music - while being wary in the grey zone; 2012's too far away for me!

By the way, I know what you mean about the house. You should have seen mine when I was in the throes of Avalonia/basement flood a while back. Sheer madness, a descent to disorder that I have never before witnessed (same for the kids, pets). A youngster visited, one half yrs, and was paralyzed at the front door with thousands of unsafe options (whew!!!) - absolute immobility. After a few moments, he tipped backwards with the state of affairs.... (whew again)... I actually wondered why his mom was frantically picking up for a bit, before I got it - only because she told me (I asked why, oops), but his paralysis/ gave her the extra minutes. Luckily, she loves me.

(in my oblivion)

[Anchor]

[Please note: All intuitive messages come with the standard, take it or leave it disclaimer - discrimination is mandatory]

Carol,

You have a mission. Your confusion exists because you have not conciously become aware of it yet, however the talents that you have developed over this lifetime so far are all essential to your effectiveness in your leadership role for what is to come.

Oh, and yes, you do need to meditate more

All,

The only thing that is going to happen "in the blink of an eye" is the passing of the energy peak which will result in a consciousness boost for all living at that moment. This is the line in the sand. After that point, for the earth, no more pure 3D incarnation will be possible. People forget that the ascension is mainly about the Earth, we are merely in attendance and deriving huge opportunities for self development and service.

The time of sorting between the pathways appropriate for each person comes when they die during these times. If you died tomorrow, your personal harvest has come. Death may come to many nearer 2012, depending on how we humans conduct ourselves during these remaining moments.

Life may get a bit interesting nearer the time, and it will be for the ones who have trained and prepared materially for, and prepared themselves spiritually for the tasks ahead who will be guided to lead the rest of the survivors into a golden age on Earth

Yours intuitively,

A..

[Czymra]

I really appreciate the interpretations that go down here regarding 2012. Keep it going!

[Carol]

I just had this stray thought. What if all that info that has been downloaded into us also via so-called junk DNA gets triggered by this galactic wave? Then what? It would seem such a terrible waste to vacate the planet just when one knows what to do to help it recover.

And then there is the Buddhist philosophy to stay until all souls are liberated. Many of my past life recalls are of being a zen monk so there may be that possibility, that underlying intent, unconsciously at work as well.

[Josefine]

Originally Posted by Carol

I just had this stray thought. What if all that info that has been downloaded into us also via so-called junk DNA gets triggered by this galactic wave? Then what? It would seem such a terrible waste to vacate the planet just when one knows what to do to help it recover.

And then there is the Buddhist philosophy to stay until all souls are liberated. Many of my past life recalls are of being a zen monk so there may be that possibility, that underlying intent, unconsciously at work as well.

It is one continuous adventure!

We are just entering the 4th dimension, and about to experience a New Universe. It is the same planet, but many things will have changed.

From the The Light of Emmanuel, Explorations into Oneness, by ANANDA, published 1991.

In every way this realisation (of Oneness) is coming to planet Earth. So that all the beings in planet Earth will, in at least the next 2000 years - as you count time - be brought into the re-awareness of being a one Being, that has been experiencing Himself, learning from Himself. Forgetting who He was for a while, to play this game of being individual entities, going into a creation, learning lessons, learning different cycles, different patterns within creation, going into karmic patterns, the law of cause and effect, and seeing how you can overcome that. How you can lift that cycle into higher cycles. How you can unite with fellow beings who also appear to be individualised. How you can have conflicts with them. And through those conflicts with them you learn how to be in greater harmony and unity, and a greater exchange and a greater love for them.

...

Oh dear ones. Do not despair [said in humor], You are really in a game of joy. If you were not so enthralled in tasting this experience, there would be no suffering. But suffering and pain, as well as joy, has been part of that process of individualising to become separate, in illusion, separate into a planet.
And in that planet begin a whole cycle of what appears to be incarnations. Where you experience different lessons, different laws, different cycles, until you are again fed-up of being separate - you cannot take it any more- fed-up of being rebellious, as an individual, against Being One. And so, completely surrender saying "I give up, I surrender myself to All."
And so you once again become All. And the wonderful thing is: you will be ALL. And from a perspective in-between that, you will also be individual. Until, gradually, over billions of years - in how you would count time - you can be that one Being which you really are, which the physicists will discover you all are.

We have been told repeatedly from an equally deep source that the children growing up today may anticipate a refreshed world, a world in which they may express in a more joyful manner, and that we may become golden beings as we express from a more joyous point of view, right here on this Earth.

Share this joyous anticipation with your daughter. The earth is not disappearing, just freshening up a little.

[Carol]

Originally Posted by piers2210

Hey Carol, by the way, if you read Carl Johan Calleman's "The Mayan Calendar and the Transformation of Consciousness", you will have missed the boat if you wait till 2012....it apparently sails with all its enlightened souls on 28th October 2011......

Gather up the garden furniture now!!

Atb, Piers

I saw his presentation so am aware of the October date. I would want to take all our animals.. the chickens, horses, dog, cats.. because I would want them to be well cared for and not abandoned.

The galactive wave will transform consciousness as it ushers in the golden age. The key is what does one do once enlightened? Even the buddist story is to chop wood, carry water and take care of one's rice bowl.

This is "innocence"... Carol, expressing your vulnerability, confusion, humility.... of what might be, to profess it out loud. Myself? Having read other's works, from all angles for a long time... I realized that all I can do is trust the process of life. Next thought is "do the next right thing"... but know what? The simple reality is that we don't always do what is best & right for ourselves... most of us, including myself, sometimes grope thru the day trying not to think too much.

I love bread & butter as much as anyone, but some days it's a chore having to decide what to eat... it's a time consuming matter feeding & dressing this body each & every day.... I mean, to eat right takes planning.

What's it all about Alfie??? Who really knows? One professes this, another that... they are all beliefs along w/incredible exposures.... blah blah, I can become as overwhelmed as the next guy! But I do love the entertainment value....is why I check in here along w/chancing across some deeper insight.

Meanwhile, I love to learn & can't stop LOOKING in at things... I marvel at the brilliance of other people! And I too, realize how lost & ignorant we all are at times!

I think that many are confused for good reason... and that it's a prompt to recognize just how grounded you are, what your convictions & values are... to differentiate between what you KNOW and what you BELIEVE...the latter will get you in trouble for it is static, not dynamic. The question might be: IS there an Actuality vs Reality? I see a differentiation.

I've always been sort of ****** off at "god" since a small child, ONLY because I thought it was a chitty thing that we have to die in this life which IS a mystery. Truly I don't think it's worth it to live a snapshot life seeing how time just flies... and then to face the reality that you will die, hmmm... in this time, either by heart disease, cancer, war, starvation, etc... you get my drift.. it isn't a pleasant ending here.

What has my 'goat' is the deceptive nature of this life... we have surely been lied to, that is a FACT... and bottom line, even w/technology, internet, etc... we are left feeling utterly responsible (& well we are!)...because we didn't get to the bottom of things fast enough... AND, not only that, but it seems (the conspiracy threads, the "insiders" et al) it's not even Possible to get to the bottom of things.. there is NO way anymore to verify anything!!!

THUS I'm left w/trusting the process of life, be that what it is... that is where I am... I surrender to the process of life and it's quite satisfying to do so, meanwhile I utililize best I can what it is that I think I know.

As a young person, I noticed that the elder ones looked sad and worn out, now I'm approaching 57 and I'm beginning to look that way .... know why??? because Life seems so serious and I'm just as confused as you are Carol. I think as women, we carry the burden of the world sometimes.

I'm pretty sure it's hardwired into us to fear the ultimate demise... that of LOSS, Bodily Death... however, this loss also points out the value of not having attachments.... but our minds? our souls? we do not want to lose what we've learned...

I try to stay away from beliefs... I do regret, however, that I did not heed the message to invest and live more self reliant, off the grid, solar power etc... but, then again, I lived paycheck to paycheck just as most do... to survive.

It's a terrible vulnerability Carol... so, I do HEAR you...

It's a beautiful day today, even after a severe ice storm here in NW Arkansas... the sun melted everthing, the deer are outside the window, dinner is cooking thanks to the generator... and the forest looks devastated... so many trees crashed all around our home, but not one hit the house... amazing as it's probably the worst ice storm in 30 yrs.

Heartfelts