What is 2012? (or "The Great Harvest")

[Sanat]

I can't remember which, but there was an interview by Camelot where the talked about the looking glass and what happened when they tried to view beyond 2012. As they approached 2012 it was like two timelines becoming more and more distinct from each other. Splitting apart and suddenly there was simply no-time or time/space or Nothingness. This harmonizes very well with what RA, Hidden Hand and Operation Terra talks about.

There will be a split into 4th density Positive Earth (Terra) and the "opposite" (4th density negative). Before that there will be a time of "zero-point" and total Oneness. Operation Terra says that Creation will "blink" and refresh itself, and that this only happens many billion years apart. There are several cycles coming to an end (this is hinted upon by many sources allthough seldom spoken about becase we probably have enough with our own right now), not just the cycle of our Solar system.

Those that are destined for 4th density Positve (Terra) will at some point be "lifted off" this planet by Federation Ships in their physical bodies, and they will go through a transition period into new 4th density bodies as they wait for Terra to be ready for colonization. The Operation Terra material says that not many are destined for that planet at first. They estimate 1/10 of 1% of the current population (around 1999-2002 when the material was written). According to them you cannot really "earn" your right to go there. All that has been decided before incarnation. Most of the Star Seeds are 5th density or higher and most of them will simply return to their home/familiy/density once the mission is complete or "the show is over". Some will go to Terra and play important roles there for a while also. Eventually Terra will have mostly beings of 4th density. It will be like a capital Planet of this Galaxy. Every civilization in this Galaxy will be represented there, and it will be a "display" for "harmony in diversity".

So what will happen to all those that are "luke warm" or "not harvestable"? There will probably be many different paths for different people according to level of development. Most will go to a "replica Earth" after the Zero-point "blink", and life will simply continue sort of where it left off. According to the Operation Terra material this current 3D Earth will totally cleanse her surface from all lifeforms, and rest in an uninhabitable state for a long time after the Shift. Does this mean that there is nothing to "do" really? No use in "saving" this Planet as it will be rendered uninhabitable for a long time after the Cleansing and Shift? Both yes and no the way I see it:

Since the new 3rd density replica Earth will be cleansed from the entities with the lowest Vibration (the "bloodline elite" who are going for a Negative Harvest into 4th density negative), and also taking into consideration that things will sort of pick up where they left off; we can see that it is very important to do as much as we can now to give the Earth replica as good a start as possible. At the same time we can relax in the knowledge that all is unfolding as it must. People will go where they are destined to go. It is best to detach from the chaos and allow the cleansing process to take place both within and without. No one will "survive" the Shift, but at the same time everyone will survive. As RA points out: There is really no point in "going for longevity" at this time. (You can really sense the divine distance RA has to "worldly drama" in his words, and at the same time he feels so close. I have never come across a Being with a more subtle sense of humor than this RA. He can seem sort of "serious" and to the point at first read. But give it a second look and you will discover that he has a lot of humor, but it is so extremely subtle that it easily slips by unnoticed).

I guess the point is that all the different messages are designed to appeal to different groups of people according to their "destiny" or "life blueprint". Most messages etc. agree on many core issues, but at the same time they differ on certain things. It's good to simply follow what appeals to you and stick with that. A whole lot of people will experience "doom/gloom" as that is what they "signed up for". It is needed as it is the only way they can be shaken up out of their thousand year sleep and hopefully be more responsible and Aware on the new Earth replica. They will never be convinced that any other future is possible. All will experience things in their own way according to the lesson they need to learn. No blame. No resistance. No fear. Only Acceptance and Love.

Blessings,

Sanat

[Allie]

Sanat - thank you for providing the link to 'muscle calibration' - very interesting
I have a friend who has been looking for this info in respect of the work she likes to do with crystals.
Another link which may be of interest to you is:http://www.thenewcall.org/book_download.htm
There are several free ebooks which relate to the subject of this thread. I have read them but - as has been said already - there is so much information available that it often confuses. These books may or may not inform
Following my own, personal, 'wake up' experience, I found myself with more questions than answers and spent no small amount of time wading through everything that was out there. I just got more confused. Fortunately, one day an image popped into my mind of a person swimming deeply underwater and I realised that this was me - the information I'd absorbed was so deep, so all-encompassing that I, in a twist of the old adage, I couldn't see the shore for the water.

I don't think this journey was unwarrented nor lacking some outside, guiding wisdom. Along the way I had to face myself in all my glory - my ego, hopes, fears, motivations, hypocrasy - the whole thing that makes me human.

After that I reached a conclusion that all I needed to know was one or two plain and simple things that came from somewhere inside me. I won't say that this is my ultimate conclusions - we're learning all the time - but it's where I am right now.

Since being 'there' - little preturbs me. I found all manner of emotions just disappeared. I can't say they won't leap back out and bite me - I'm human, after all - but I'm more at ease now.

[Sanat]

Originally Posted by Allie

Sanat - thank you for providing the link to 'muscle calibration' - very interesting
I have a friend who has been looking for this info in respect of the work she likes to do with crystals.
Another link which may be of interest to you is:http://www.thenewcall.org/book_download.htm
There are several free ebooks which relate to the subject of this thread. I have read them but - as has been said already - there is so much information available that it often confuses. These books may or may not inform
Following my own, personal, 'wake up' experience, I found myself with more questions than answers and spent no small amount of time wading through everything that was out there. I just got more confused. Fortunately, one day an image popped into my mind of a person swimming deeply underwater and I realised that this was me - the information I'd absorbed was so deep, so all-encompassing that I, in a twist of the old adage, I couldn't see the shore for the water.

I don't think this journey was unwarrented nor lacking some outside, guiding wisdom. Along the way I had to face myself in all my glory - my ego, hopes, fears, motivations, hypocrasy - the whole thing that makes me human.

After that I reached a conclusion that all I needed to know was one or two plain and simple things that came from somewhere inside me. I won't say that this is my ultimate conclusions - we're learning all the time - but it's where I am right now.

Since being 'there' - little preturbs me. I found all manner of emotions just disappeared. I can't say they won't leap back out and bite me - I'm human, after all - but I'm more at ease now.

I can relate to what you say very much. I also had this when I started to wake up. I had emptied out a lot of garbage via mediation and Yoga practice and suddenly I found out about 9/11 one day surfing the inet (a small voice whispered something in my ear), and it was like a dam being breached. Info just flooded into my mind without any end to it. I could not get enough. Listened to Alex Jones every day etc. hehhe. I don't listen to him anymore... It was like I had a lot to catch up on and now it all came at once.

Now a days it is more for fun. I am so happy with where I am that I really don't care what happens or not. I try to be at service if I can, and have some fun with all this also. It is interesting to learn always, but it really does not affect me one way or the other. Truth is in the eye of the beholder, and not "out there". Our level of understanding is always determined by our level of Consciousness. Outside knowledge cannot compensate for that at all. Thanks for your sharing Allie. Very much appreciated!

Love/Light,

Sanat

[Mercuriel]

Heres a thought I've had and just to let You know - I've read the Hidden Hand Info as well as the Ra Material. That said, My thought(s) is/are this...

For those that are Harvested into 4th Density Positive - Will They just remain on this Earth as It goes into 4th Density Positive Polarity or is "another" place prepared for those in that Group ??? Your thoughts on this ???

Another Question I have is - If You're of enough Service to Others orientation to qualify for 5th Density Positive - What do You gather would happen to those Individuals in the same way ??? Again, Your thoughts on this would be appreciated...

[Sanat]

Originally Posted by Mercuriel

Heres a thought I've had and just to let You know - I've read the Hidden Hand Info as well as the Ra Material. That said, My thought(s) is/are this...

For those that are Harvested into 4th Density Positive - Will They just remain on this Earth as It goes into 4th Density Positive Polarity or is "another" place prepared for those in that Group ??? Your thoughts on this ???

Another Question I have is - If You're of enough Service to Others orientation to qualify for 5th Density Positive - What do You gather would happen to those Individuals in the same way ??? Again, Your thoughts on this would be appreciated...

I will offer my thoughts on this. Let's start out with a quote from Terrence Mckenna:

None of us, I think, can imagine that history could have gone on for another thousand years. I mean, what would it look like? At the current rate of population growth, spread of epedemic disease, rate of invention, connectivity, depletion of resources... It is impossible to concieve of another thousand years of human history. We have burned our bridges, we are preparing for a kind of cultural forward escape. The simple example of metamorphosis is that of catapiller to the butterfly.

The way I understand it (and this is also backed up by RA, HiddenHand, and the Operation Terra material) is that this current Earth will be rendered uninhabitable for a longe time after the (pole) Shift. Thus, the new 4th density planes (both positive and negative, and also the replica Earth(s) for further 3rd density experience) will not be this physical Earth. The transition will involve "physical death" for everyone who finds themselves on the planet at that time, and also including the Planet's beingness herself. This is what RA hints upon when he, in his subtle ways, says that there is no need to "aim for longevity" at this time.

However, this "physical death" (and the whole experience) will be experienced very differently by everyone according to different timlines and what each person "signed up to experience/learn" and according to belief systems. Many will probably "need" to experience the cataclysm ending as part of their learning, and some will not have signed up for this. For some it will be like the transition from catapiller to butterfly. They already find themselves in a developing "cocoon of 4th density", and thus when that cracks, the butterfly of their 4th density being is born. Thus, this current Earth plane serves as medium to be forged/transmuted into the different main splits that will "divide" themselves from it. The spirit/being/Soul of "Mother Earth" will ascend to Terra (4th density positive) as this is earned by her long service to mankind. The Lucifer oversoul being will go to 4th density negative.

Since the 3rd density replica Earth(s) will sort of "start off" where we left off here, it is important to get as far as possible in a "positive" direction before the Shift/Harvest. Everyone benefits greatly from being here at this time. Chances are the 3rd density replica Earth will be pretty good compared to this current earth plane. The worst beings (the bloodline ruling "elite") are gone after all, and the ETs will continue to work with that Earth. It all depends on how far we can get now before the harvest/Shift to give that plane as good a start as possible.

Meanwhile there is another sphere, congruent to a great extent with yellow ray, forming. This fourth-density sphere coexists with first, second, and third. It is of a denser nature due to the rotational core atomic aspects of its material. We have discussed this subject with you.

The fourth-density entities which incarnate at this space/time are fourth-density in the view of experience but are incarnating in less dense vehicles due to desire to experience and aid in the birth of fourth-density upon this plane.

You may note that fourth-density entities have a great abundance of compassion.

63.11 Questioner: Now these entities incarnate into a third-density vibratory body. I am trying to understand how this transition takes place from third to fourth-density. I will take the example of one of these entities of which we are speaking who is now in a third-density body. He will grow older and then will it be necessary that he die from the third-density physical body and reincarnate in a fourth-density body for that transition?

Ra: I am Ra. These entities are those incarnating with what you may call a double body in activation. It will be noted that the entities birthing these fourth-density entities experience a great feeling of, shall we say, the connection and the use of spiritual energies during pregnancy. This is due to the necessity for manifesting the double body.

This transitional body is one which will be, shall we say, able to appreciate fourth-density vibratory complexes as the instreaming increases without the accompanying disruption of the third-density body. If a third-density entity were, shall we say, electrically aware of fourth-density in full, the third-density electrical fields would fail due to incompatibility.

To answer your query about death, these entities will die according to third-density necessities.

63.12 Questioner: You are saying, then, that for the transition from third to fourth-density for one of the entities with doubly activated bodies, in order to make the transition the third-density body will go through the process of what we call death. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The third and fourth, combination, density’s body will die according to the necessity of third-density mind/body/spirit complex distortions.

If you qualify to 5th density or higher you are most probably a "star seed". Most star seeds will simply return to their home realm/density/familiy etc. after (and some probably before) the show is over. They have also benefited greatly by being here at this "end time". Many star seeds are the leading edge in the transmutation of this plane into Terra (4th density positive), they are the pioneers so to speak. And they will go there and assist in the "colonization" of the Planet.

Ra: I am Ra. The harvest is now. There is not at this time any reason to include efforts along these distortions toward longevity, but rather to encourage distortions toward seeking the heart of self, for this which resides clearly in the violet-ray energy field will determine the harvesting of each mind/body/spirit complex.

Wilcock's take on this issue:

VII. ALL BODIES ON EARTH THAT ARE STILL PHYSICAL WILL TRANSMUTE BEFORE THOSE BEINGS CAN INHABIT THE 4TH DENSITY EARTH

QUESTION: As this transition continues into 4th density activation, in order to inhabit this 4th density earth it will be necessary for all 3rd density physical bodies to go through the process which we refer to as death. Is this correct? (B3, S63, 92)

RA: This is correct.

[NOTE: This is the most widely misunderstood quote in the Law of One series. Context reveals that Ra is referring to a transmutation, not any type of death as we would normally think of it. This is an ecstatic feeling — the most incredible moment of any lifetime you’ve ever had as a human being.

Elsewhere Ra says you CAN reconstitute your third-density body after this happens if you so choose — you simply have to focus on a "more difficult configuration" to get it back.

Through Wilcock, Ra further revealed that there will be an ET-assisted transition off of the Earth plane prior to the 20-degree polar realignment. This highly joyful and even ecstatic transition will not seem like death at all, even though the time of 3rd density incarnation will come to a natural and unseen end along the way.]

http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?op...=127&Itemid=36

This is in harmony with the Operation Terra material that says that those that are destined for Terra (4th density positive) will at some point be "lifted" from this plane (before the pole shift), and finish their transmutation process elsewhere before going to Terra.

Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest is to occur in the year 2,011, or will it be spread out?

Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest.

I keep getting March 2011 as a deadline when I use "muscle calibration" to calibrate it. I got this before I ever heard of Ra.

[Sanat]

Some more from RA:

65.11 Questioner: Then each of the Wanderers here acts as a function of the biases he has developed in any way he sees fit to communicate or simply be in his polarity to aid the total consciousness of the planet. Is there any physical way in which he aids, perhaps by his vibrations somehow just adding to the planet just as electrical polarity or charging a battery? Does that also aid the planet, just the physical presence of the Wanderers?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct and the mechanism is precisely as you state. We intended this meaning in the second portion of our previous answer.

You may, at this time, note that as with any entities, each Wanderer has its unique abilities, biases, and specialities so that from each portion of each density represented among the Wanderers come an array of pre-incarnative talents which then may be expressed upon this plane which you now experience so that each Wanderer, in offering itself before incarnation, has some special service to offer in addition to the doubling effect of planetary love and light and the basic function of serving as beacon or shepherd.

Thus there are those of fifth-density whose abilities to express wisdom are great. There are fourth and sixth-density Wanderers whose ability to serve as, shall we say, passive radiators or broadcasters of love and love/light are immense. There are many others whose talents brought into this density are quite varied.

Thus Wanderers have three basic functions once the forgetting is penetrated, the first two being basic, the tertiary one being unique to that particular mind/body/spirit complex.

We may note at this point while you ponder the possibility/probability vortices that although you have many, many items which cause distress and thus offer seeking and service opportunities, there is always one container in that store of peace, love, light, and joy. This vortex may be very small, but to turn one’s back upon it is to forget the infinite possibilities of the present moment. Could your planet polarize towards harmony in one fine, strong, moment of inspiration? Yes, my friends. It is not probable; but it is ever possible.

[micjer]

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8121

Sanat,

I have placed info on a thread on Camelot.

These vids give physical evidence to the pole shift, and prophesies by all of the native people of the world.

So there we have 3 different angles of info all telling us the same thing, about 2012 and the pole shift.

Also with the ongoing world economic problems, this reconfirms to me that this info is correct. It is the PTB's way of taking peoples attention away from the Big Picture. "The Grand Illusion"




Lately i find myself concentrating on info like you are providing and only listening to world events. I am trying to not to get caught up in the fear mongering of the world media.



PS. One thing I noticed is that I think that David Wilcock feels a lot more people will qualify for 4D ascension than do the native tribe leaders (knowledge holders) and the O T info. (I think I read the figure of 100 mill)

[Frank Samuel]

Your physical body lives by the laws of gravity, Your soul on the other hand is limitless. My experience is that my soul can live in heaven even if my physical body is not living in a pleasant envirovement. Your soul if you have reach some level where you live in the dominion of love it really does not matter where you are, I can live right in the middle of hell my soul will still be in heaven. There's nothing wrong with this earth, it serving us 24/7 . I do not believe you are going to ascend physically anywhere,it will grow old and die, or will cease to exist. Your soul is another matter altogether. Theories and thoughts abound the reality in my opinion is simpler but much more profound. We are all in this mess together, make the best of it while you can. You cannot run away from your physical envirovement even if you go to Mars if your soul is suffering a hellish like existence it will continue no matter where you are in the galaxy. The experience of heaven lies within you, you control your experience. A perfect example of that is Mandela, Ghandi. The key to heaven on earth and beyond lies within your heart, turn the key and open the door.

[Sanat]

micjer,

I don't know what Wilcock thinks about the number that will graduate for 4th density positive. I know Ra did not estimate that many would have a chance to make it. However, according to my research around 40% of the population are in fact star kids at this time. And many are on waking up in huge numbers. But the way I see it (and this is also backed up by RA and Op Terra) most of these are not here to "graduate" as they already come from 4th or 5th density. They are here to assist, and serve as anchors for Light into the planetary sphere in order to ease the transition. Many will also be the pioneers going to Terra together with "normal humans" that graduated. According to Op Terra around 6 million people are going to Terra (4th density positive) after the Harvest from this planet (there will come beings from all over the galaxy there). Most of these are already from 4th density or 5th. A certain percentage will be made up of those that made graduation, but that number will not significantly alter the fact that around 6 million are going there because so few "normal humans" are in the range of being harvestable.

Yea, overview is better than running around scared in the mill. Most people are simply not developed enough to graduate (most of this is already decided before incarnation. Each chooses the lessons it feels will suit best for its further development). However, they can graduate to a new 3D earth that is much better and more balances than this. And take it from there. The new 3D earth can in fact become a good place where Light rules. Even if this current plane would end in a pole shift, we should keep working. After all, nobody knows for sure what will come. But it can be interesting to speculate...

[micjer]

Basically David Wilcock feels that anyone that is over 51 % service to others will qualify for ascension.

I really do not want to get caught up in numbers. The bottom line is that the more people that wake up the better.

Lately it is weird that some of the people I spoke to 5 months ago about things are now coming to me and talking about things that are going on in the world. Maybe it was not all for nothing.

You know, as far as I am concerned this is the most important thread that is on this forum. If people were to read the info that has been presented in this thread they would be far less worried about other things that are going on in the world. Who cares that the stocks are up or down. It is all an illusion.

It is amazing how all of the pieces seem to all fit together. I have had quite a journey in my research over the last year and this seems to be the piece that pulls it all together.

If for some reason it does not pan out the way we think, I know that it has made me a different person. I am much calmer when life's problems are presented. I appreciate things much more. I feel I am a much more loving person.

My greatest desire is to help as many people as I can, if they would only be interested in hearing.

[recallone]

Early on in this thread, the name David Hawkins came up. In a favorable, reliable light, I might add. As did The Law of One material and the Operation Terra information. These sources were all considered trustworthy and beyond reproach.

I've come to find that no one source has all of the answers. No one source is pure and perfectly connected...yet. And if none of it is completely perfect in its' depiction of what is, and what's to come, then all of it should be given the same amount of credibility and labeled as such...simply stuff. That way, when we find information that very soundly contradicts a previous belief or concept, we're free to discard it without any attachment to it. Truths are merely transient anyways, so I'll ask you to accept the following with the love it was written with.

Concerning David Hawkins. Please read this page

Concerning the Law of One material:
On homosexuality:

"Questioner: We have what seems to be an increasing number of entities incarnate here now who have what is called a homosexual orientation. Could you explain and expand upon that concept?

Ra: I am Ra. Entities of this condition experience a great deal of distortion due to the fact that they have experienced many incarnations as biological male and as biological female. This would not suggest what you call homosexuality in an active phase were it not for the difficult vibratory condition of your planetary sphere. There is what you may call great aura infringement among your crowded urban areas in your more populous countries, as you call portions of your planetary surface. Under these conditions the confusions will occur.

Questioner: Roughly how many previous incarnations would a male entity in this incarnation have had to have had in the past as a female to have a highly homosexual orientation in this incarnation?

Ra: I am Ra. If an entity has had roughly 65% of its incarnations in the sexual/biological body complex, the opposite polarity to its present body complex, this entity is vulnerable to infringement of your urban areas and may perhaps become of what you call an homosexual nature.

It is to be noted at this juncture that although it is much more difficult, it is possible in this type of association for an entity to be of great service to another in fidelity and sincere green ray love of a nonsexual nature thus adjusting or lessening the distortions of its sexual impairment.

So, homosexuality (According to the Law of One) is apparently a condition that creates distortion and confusion for the poor soul afflicted with said condition and furthermore refers to it as a sexual impairment. I hate to sound dismissive, especially when I have read some amazing, wonderful things in the Law of One material, but this is about balance, folks. The wording used in the above quote and others is pretty clear in its attempt to persuade the reader to view homosexuals in a particular light. One that's unlike the way all you straight people out there enjoy. I'm not gay, by the way - this isn't about me championing the gay rights movement, only to illustrate a shortcoming in the teachings of the Law of One. I don't see anyone as a distortion according to who they're attracted to. If I were Christ or Buddha, I still don't think I would.

On hair length:
75.19 Questioner: You mentioned in an earlier session that the hair was an antennae. Could you expand on that statement as to how that works?

Ra: I am Ra. It is difficult to so do due to the metaphysical nature of this antennae-effect. Your physics are concerned with measurements in your physical complex of experience. The metaphysical nature of the contact of those in time/space is such that the hair, as it has significant length, becomes as a type of electrical battery which stays charged and tuned and is then able to aid contact even when there are small anomalies in the contact.

75.20 Questioner: Is there an optimum length of hair for this aid?

Ra: I am Ra. There is no outer limit on length but the, shall we say, inner limit is approximately four to four and one-half inches depending upon the strength of the contact and the nature of the instrument.

I understand that they're talking about the medium, for the communication...but c'mon - hair length? Then what's with centuries worth of bald monks? Buddhist monks were the baddest cats around. They could defeat an armed samurai warrior like they were taking out the trash! How? Because they were in harmony with the world around them. Anything of disharmony is simply removed, and with great ease. Take a look at this guy.

Concerning Operation Terra:
"Those that are destined for 4th density Positve (Terra) will at some point be "lifted off" this planet by Federation Ships in their physical bodies, and they will go through a transition period into new 4th density bodies as they wait for Terra to be ready for colonization.

Kind of takes personal responsibility out of the mix, don't you think? And what's more, the material goes on to identify a certain chosen percentage of the population as star children. Again, different. A lot of complacency encouraged there. If you're chosen, you're all good - if you're not, don't get too upset about it, but you're screwed.

Because I've pointed these things out doesn't mean that I've discarded the entire contents therein, and I'm not saying anything untowards about any of them. I am offering all of you a balance.

There are conclusions that have been made upon the foundation of which I, personally, have found to be lacking in resonance. Any philosophy that places more value or distinction upon the few is suspect to scrutiny, IMHO. Whether its in an unfavorable light, like with the Law of One (smacks of Christianity's abomination, doesn't it?) or in a favorable light, the division is created and stands in disharmony with all that is.

Expecting a galactic savior relinquishes us from the personal responsibility of ascending. Complacency is a tool used to discourage the pursuit of truth. Don't be lulled by complacency. The task before us lies within every one of us. As we go within, we'll find all of the answers and all the necessary guidance, but search we must.

This is about personal responsibility. Are you going to do the work on yourself to lead the many? Or are you going to continue watching the programming box as you calmly wait for your assured oblivion? I don't want to offer any conclusions, but I want you all to really ask yourself if you think that waiting for a savior is really what you're supposed to be doing right now. Or should you be realizing the savior that is you?

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, then are dreamed of in your philosophy." - some dude

Thanks for taking the time to read this long winded reply. I bow to the divine in all of you.
-recallone

[Swanny]

Originally Posted by recallone

On hair length:
75.19 Questioner: You mentioned in an earlier session that the hair was an antennae. Could you expand on that statement as to how that works?

Ra: I am Ra. It is difficult to so do due to the metaphysical nature of this antennae-effect. Your physics are concerned with measurements in your physical complex of experience. The metaphysical nature of the contact of those in time/space is such that the hair, as it has significant length, becomes as a type of electrical battery which stays charged and tuned and is then able to aid contact even when there are small anomalies in the contact.

75.20 Questioner: Is there an optimum length of hair for this aid?

Ra: I am Ra. There is no outer limit on length but the, shall we say, inner limit is approximately four to four and one-half inches depending upon the strength of the contact and the nature of the instrument.

I understand that they're talking about the medium, for the communication...but c'mon - hair length? Then what's with centuries worth of bald monks? Buddhist monks were the baddest cats around. They could defeat an armed samurai warrior like they were taking out the trash! How? Because they were in harmony with the world around them. Anything of disharmony is simply removed, and with great ease. Take a look at this guy.

I don't have much hair but noticed while I was at Glastonbury this year that I have a aerial sticking out of my head

[Allie]

Originally Posted by recallone

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Expecting a galactic savior relinquishes us from the personal responsibility of ascending. Complacency is a tool used to discourage the pursuit of truth. Don't be lulled by complacency. The task before us lies within every one of us. As we go within, we'll find all of the answers and all the necessary guidance, but search we must.

-recallone

I don't have any arguement with that statement at all

I can't speak for anyone else but what I found when researching was that the more I learned, the less I knew.

Initially, when I began researching I knew that I had to approach the whole thing from an unbiased point of view - to start with an inclination towards a view/belief/pet theory carries the danger of finding the information to support that view whilst rather conveniently overlooking that which does not.

Again, at the outset, I found information which resonated. And again, for me, this carried the danger of settling with it and of making it my personal credo.
Growth doesn't really occur when you remain at one point for too long. Reading the life story of Gandhi illustrated the fact that his own quest for self-acceptance/spirituality was actually a life-long struggle.

As I've said in past posts on this thread, I haven't a clue what's coming nor when and I've learned that no one view is wholly true - and yet, aren't the many inconsistencies perhaps the very impetus that serves to keep us engaged with an on-going search? It's a search that begins on the outside but should end up on the inside. At least - that's how it was for me.

There is a view in esoteric astrology that the age of Pisces was about 'saviours' (or teachers), whereas in the Aquarian age mankind must take more responsibility for itself.

[Allie]

Originally Posted by recallone

I've come to find that no one

Any philosophy that places more value or distinction upon the few is suspect to scrutiny, IMHO. Whether its in an unfavorable light, like with the Law of One (smacks of Christianity's abomination, doesn't it?) or in a favorable light, the division is created and stands in disharmony with all that is.

-recallone

Whenever I have come across information that appears to be the epitome of wisdom, and yet speaks against certain groups of people, I find it suspect.

Many an agenda appears cloaked in wise words.

My own view is that if information encourages you to feel particularly special or advises you, in a general way, against a certain group then it might well have an agenda of its own.

[dolphin]

upon reading the Ra, and hidden hand, and operation terra, i'm confused to what ra and hidden hand say about 51% service to others. in the terra material, it says that it is not by your deeds but by your frequency which determines one moving on to 4th density positive terra.

can anyone clarify this?

also on the Solfeggio frequencies, i've tried downloading on sanat's website but to no avail! does anyone have another site they can suggest to download? thanks!!!

[Allie]

I'm certainly no expert on this but might your 'service to others' attitude in turn affect your frequency? So it's less a case of focusing on how to increase a personal frequency and more a case of focusing on a personal attitude/spirituality?

In our hearts and actions, we do know the difference between 'right' and 'wrong'. I think our problem sometimes lies in the fact that we experience a negative event or person, we place a blame on them for creating that feeling. Where in truth, no one can make us feel something that isn't already within us. I think it was Eleanor Roosevelt who said "No one can make you feel inferior without your permission'. For 'inferior', substitute any other emotion. My own view is that once you begin addressing these things, perhaps your frequency (whatever that may mean!) will rise accordingly?

With regard to the Solfeggion frequencies, you could try 'Googling' 'Holy Harmony' by Jonathan Goldman or alternatively, go to YouTube as there are many different Solfeggio frequencies on there. 'Holy Harmony', I believe, might have them all.

[dolphin]

Originally Posted by Allie

I'm certainly no expert on this but might your 'service to others' attitude in turn affect your frequency? So it's less a case of focusing on how to increase a personal frequency and more a case of focusing on a personal attitude/spirituality?

In our hearts and actions, we do know the difference between 'right' and 'wrong'. I think our problem sometimes lies in the fact that we experience a negative event or person, we place a blame on them for creating that feeling. Where in truth, no one can make us feel something that isn't already within us. I think it was Eleanor Roosevelt who said "No one can make you feel inferior without your permission'. For 'inferior', substitute any other emotion. My own view is that once you begin addressing these things, perhaps your frequency (whatever that may mean!) will rise accordingly?

With regard to the Solfeggion frequencies, you could try 'Googling' 'Holy Harmony' by Jonathan Goldman or alternatively, go to YouTube as there are many different Solfeggio frequencies on there. 'Holy Harmony', I believe, might have them all.

thanks so much allie, i will try those sites! re: the "service to others"... one can interpret that in many ways. as i understand being at a high frequency according to hawkins is that a single person who calibrates very high has the ability to balance off a substantially high amount of very low frequency people.

if, let's say you are a musician or artist and your "service to others" may just be that you are vibrating at a high frequency (not saying that "all" musicians and artists are at high frequencies) and you are thus contributing to the positive energy around you, but you don't give your time to others (let's say volunteering for an organization, for ex.) in a more general way...is just doing what makes you at a high frequency considered also to be "service to others"??...

[pontfx]

Originally Posted by Allie

I'm certainly no expert on this but might your 'service to others' attitude in turn affect your frequency? So it's less a case of focusing on how to increase a personal frequency and more a case of focusing on a personal attitude/spirituality?

In our hearts and actions, we do know the difference between 'right' and 'wrong'. I think our problem sometimes lies in the fact that we experience a negative event or person, we place a blame on them for creating that feeling. Where in truth, no one can make us feel something that isn't already within us. I think it was Eleanor Roosevelt who said "No one can make you feel inferior without your permission'. For 'inferior', substitute any other emotion. My own view is that once you begin addressing these things, perhaps your frequency (whatever that may mean!) will rise accordingly?

With regard to the Solfeggion frequencies, you could try 'Googling' 'Holy Harmony' by Jonathan Goldman or alternatively, go to YouTube as there are many different Solfeggio frequencies on there. 'Holy Harmony', I believe, might have them all.

http://people.tribe.net/pontfx333 see info

[micjer]

Originally Posted by dolphin

upon reading the Ra, and hidden hand, and operation terra, i'm confused to what ra and hidden hand say about 51% service to others. in the terra material, it says that it is not by your deeds but by your frequency which determines one moving on to 4th density positive terra.

can anyone clarify this?

also on the Solfeggio frequencies, i've tried downloading on sanat's website but to no avail! does anyone have another site they can suggest to download? thanks!!!

http://www.astrovera.com/philosophy/...equencies.html

try this link.

[iainl140285]

Holy Harmony - free mp3 download

http://www.getpastit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5916


Iain

[Unified Serenity]

Originally Posted by dolphin

upon reading the Ra, and hidden hand, and operation terra, i'm confused to what ra and hidden hand say about 51% service to others. in the terra material, it says that it is not by your deeds but by your frequency which determines one moving on to 4th density positive terra.

can anyone clarify this?

Excellent points, and a good question. I can't speak for Ra or the hidden hand, and I come from a christian background and the issue of faith vs. works is often an issue. One says you are saved by faith, and another says, by their works you will know them or "faith without works is dead". I say it's two sides of the same coin.

One cannot walk in love and ignore someone in need. You can't observe the law and allow someone or an animal to die because it says, "Don't work on the Sabbath." Boy, Doctors are surely out of luck then eh? The highest law is that of Love, and if one walks in love then they cannot miss the mark of perfection. Jesus laid it out so nicely when the Pharisees tried to trap him into picking one law over another. He summed them all up in one law, "To love the Lord your God with all your heart, and the second was similar, to love your neighbor as yourself." So, if you are walking in the highest vibrational energy of Divine love (not sappy gooey phileo love, but Agape love) then you will do works in various ways to follow that energy, but the energy of Love comes first and the selfless works follow not for gain, but just because it's right.

I have yet to spend an entire day in selfless love, but it is a goal of mine. I think when I was younger, single and had more me time, it was easier to feel devoted more consistently. I prayed to be cleansed, to get rid of the dross, to deal with my pride, and to understand what meekness of spirit truly is. Well, God/dess has a very good sense of humor.

I got married, had 4 children, lost my world class athletic physique, almost lost my right leg in an auto accident so I can't run anymore unless there were a miracle to happen. I've suffered the physical loss of my strength in many ways, and I have learned oh so much from my children. I married the wrong man, went through a tough divorce, and have struggled since 1999 to rebuild my life.

Now as I look back, I see how I have learned to be less judgmental, less holier than thou (God junior syndrome), and to know that "there for the grace of God go I".

May your path bring you as much fulfillment as mine has thus far.

Love and light

[shred]

Sanat , thank you so very much for the info here and on your website. The message feels so "right / true" for me. I finally get it ! I enjoyed reading it as well as the "hidden_hand" stuff . I cant begin to tell you how much this has changed my life for the better. Isn't it weird how I ran across the link below by shear chance....before I ran across it here on Project Avalon , while researching a number of conspiracy theories. Its like i followed a trail of bread crumbs in search of something seemly big....only to discover something absolutely huge ! Truly life changing ! Almost as if by design or something.

thank you again..
Peace & Love
Shred

the actual posting on ATS forums by "hidden_hand" Great read !
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1

[Sanat]

Micjer:

The 51% thing comes from Ra and also Hidden Hand. I have measured that this amounts to a calibration of around 330 on Hawkins scale (which is well within 4th density vibration). The majority is still below 200. Most people that will "make it" are already from higher densities. They are Wanderers. But some "humans" will also make it. But the number is low.

I also notice a lot of people waking up lately all of a sudden. But most of these are Wanderers. They are simply finally responding to the incoming and ever-increasing Light/Love and the DNA activations. RA said back in 1980-81 that there were about 60 million Wanderers on the planet at that time but that the they were coming in en masse now because the demand for Light or "higher vibrations" was so great. As I said before: I estimated that around 40% of the population are Wanderers (Star seeds) at this time. All in different stages of awakening, and many probably still children (what they call the "crystal children". many terms out there).

The desire to help is strong in Wanderers as that is one of the reasons they are here. To serve is called upon. It can be kind of frustrating for wanderers that so few seem to be receptive. But this is an opportunity to learn balance between compassion and wisdom as RA speaks about. Also patience. I guess the time will come, or we would not be here...

recallone:

No source is beyond anything. No source has "all the answers" (except Source perhaps), I agree totally. But every source or "piece of information" has its place somewhere on Hawkins scale, as does anything vibrating in Creation. There are no "lies" as opposed to Truth. Truth is all there is, it includes everything. But with various levels of distortions according to the Scale. In the below 200 stratum Truth is turned upside/down and inside/out (black=white etc). Above 200 the perspective of Truth is progressivly more and more "restored" until it is set completly right again in the top of the scale.

There are so many different timelines that many different sources are applicable to the different timelines... It's easy to "discredit" any source by picking out a simple quote from its rightful context. I don't see the Op Terra material as a "threat" to personal responsability. That impression only comes from that quote in isolation which renders it meaningless to discuss it further as it has nothing to do with the totality of their message. What you do not quote is this:

All those (humans and Wanderers) who incarnated with a goal of making graduation must work on themselves and go through a very difficult process of transmuting lower level vibration into higher level. This is taking personal responsability. What happens in the end (if it is a "lift off" or another kind of transport does not matter).

This being said, I understand the sincerity in your post, and it is appreciated as a reminder that we cannot put our trust into anything but ourselves. Thanks a lot!

Ps. Remember that we are not offering this thread to convince anyone of anything. It is not our concern what people believe or not. That is very personal according to free will. We are here to have some fun, and provide some info... thats all...

Love/Light,

Sanat

[recallone]

Originally Posted by Sanat

The 51% thing comes from Ra and also Hidden Hand. I have measured that this amounts to a calibration of around 330 on Hawkins scale (which is well within 4th density vibration). The majority is still below 200. Most people that will "make it" are already from higher densities. They are Wanderers. But some "humans" will also make it. But the number is low.

So, we're being measured as a means of deciding who is harvestable and who is not? I'm sorry, but this doesn't vibe for me.
It sounds a little too much like the sheep and the goats judgment from the Bible.

Originally Posted by Sanat

recallone:

No source is beyond anything. No source has "all the answers" (except Source perhaps), I agree totally. But every source or "piece of information" has its place somewhere on Hawkins scale, as does anything vibrating in Creation. There are no "lies" as opposed to Truth. Truth is all there is, it includes everything. But with various levels of distortions according to the Scale. In the below 200 stratum Truth is turned upside/down and inside/out (black=white etc). Above 200 the perspective of Truth is progressivly more and more "restored" until it is set completly right again in the top of the scale.

Can you explain to me what, exactly does the above highlighted text mean? When spirituality double-speak is employed, I've got to ask myself - What is the message they're trying to get across? In this case, I feel like its a case of the emperor's clothes. It's slippery enough to prevent anyone from getting a really solid grasp on it, yet lofty-sounding enough along the yin and yang lines to give it credibility - especially in the minds of people who are looking for the answers to come from someone else. To say that everything fits within this scale that Hawkins developed is presumptuous in nature as it assumes his theory is without its' flaws, and short-sighted as it only takes into consideration one perspective. What's more, I have a hard time resonating with the idea that our spirituality can be measured at all. Feels almost like a contest of sorts.

Originally Posted by Sanat

It's easy to "discredit" any source by picking out a simple quote from its rightful context. I don't see the Op Terra material as a "threat" to personal responsability. That impression only comes from that quote in isolation which renders it meaningless to discuss it further as it has nothing to do with the totality of their message.

As I said, I don't automatically 'discredit' an offering in its' entirety simply because I've found something that doesn't jive with my current definition of truth. But I'm also not going to allow that one thing of incongruousness to insert itself into my beliefs as fact. In convincing people that a Federation ship will show up to evacuate the chosen ones, there is definitely an element of personal responsibility being excused. It's all been decided before this incarnation sounds too much like predestination to me. What everyone needs to appreciate is the manner in which disinformation is issued. The majority of the information issued from a disinformation source is spot on with what is accepted in these types of forums. However, slight deviations are issued (once the trust of the reader has been established) to misdirect. Anything that labels one group as superior or inferior, in my eyes - is misleading. Please understand that I'm not labeling any of these sources as knowing disinformation agents. I don't know any of them. However, sensitives who channel information don't necessarily know who exactly they're getting their information from. They can relay only what is being told to them, the source of which - again - is reported as it's told. It's like picking up the telephone when it rings...only there's no caller ID. You don't know who you're talking to. There have been enough whistle-blowers shedding light on psy-ops and alien alliances for all of us to know better than to simply trust information that is channeled merely because it is channeled.

Originally Posted by Sanat

What you do not quote is this:

All those (humans and Wanderers) who incarnated with a goal of making graduation must work on themselves and go through a very difficult process of transmuting lower level vibration into higher level. This is taking personal responsability. What happens in the end (if it is a "lift off" or another kind of transport does not matter).

I don't have any doubts that we are going through a major change and that another JOLT is most certainly on the horizon. In this manner, the text is aligning itself with a commonly accepted truth. However, I don't feel its a matter of You were either chosen, or you weren't - but one of recognizing the illusory nature of this paradigm and distancing yourself from everything that seeks to attach you (and your ego) to it.

The ego wants to hold onto the past and the future, but wants nothing to do with the NOW. The ego is what will cause so many so much pain when that moment of shift is upon us. The ego deals with the false definition of self as determined by the individual's success and possessions. The ego is attached to the means in which it manipulates energy from others through control dramas. For those of you unfamiliar with Control Dramas..

1. “Poor me” control drama: People play the victim and appealing for sympathy. We give energy to this drama by feeling bad for the person and taking the person’s side. It’s the opposite of positive thinking.

2. “Aloof” control drama: It’s like having an air of mystery about oneself and using that “mystery” to get the attention, wonder, curiosity of people around them. It’s a certain snobbishness which seems to say “I am above you all.”

3. “Interrogator” control drama: People ask a lot of questions and pronounce judgements on others. They are critical, self righteous, questioning all the time, sarcastic, sceptical and even undermining.

4. “Intimidator” control drama: People threaten and instill fear to get energy. Violence is often accompanied by this drama.

These control dramas are used by the ego to enforce the Maya, the cosmic delusion. Transcending them is essential in the ascension process. When that moment of clarity presents itself, and there are no more lies to hold up the illusion - there will be a terrific tug-of-war happening within every one of us. For those overly attached to the drama and the ego - they will likely go mad. For those who are aware of it and have been doing the work to rise above it and are expecting this cleansing, will understand what is happening and make the shift. The fourth dimension, I should add - is a temporary new residence. Just as many other alien beings have the ability to navigate various dimensions, so shall we. 5th dimension will become par for the course for those that understand what is to come and are less about the individual as they are about the whole. There is no one person on this earth who has more or less of an advantage. We're all here right now because we all chose to be here right now.

Enforcing the idea that some are meant to be saved and others are meant to die doesn't gel with me. I fully embrace that there is no true death, so pursuing that line is unnecessary, but I refuse to believe that I am subject to some cosmic game of roulette whereas my fate has already been determined. I am a God. So are all of you. We are all one in the same. Conduct yourself accordingly and stop waiting for a God outside of yourself to save you.

Originally Posted by Sanat

This being said, I understand the sincerity in your post, and it is appreciated as a reminder that we cannot put our trust into anything but ourselves. Thanks a lot!

Thank you for receiving this with the energy that it was intended. I was kind of holding my breath about it a little bit, but ultimately - I decided that I would want a different perspective if I was operating from only one, and so I felt compelled to write. This is all about discovering what we already know - we're merely uncovering the truth. Without attaching to any of it, we're free to discard all of it when clearer, more complete truth presents itself. Look to no one for answers, look within. Just as many of us have come to realize that our old religions weren't necessarily inaccurate so much as they were incomplete, so too must we look upon the offerings of today as having the potential to be tainted, whether knowingly or not. Trust your own vibration to lead you. If something doesn't resonate with you, don't just fall in line with others that are stamping it as TRUE - allow the messiah inside of you to make that determination.

Peace and light
recallone

[recallone]

There are some really good solfeggios offered from JezebelDecibel on youtube.
Sedona1111 is another good one. There's a link on his page to his site where you can download some freqs too.

Here's a playlist of some various solfeggios and warm fuzzies.
Good feeling stuff, for sure.

Peace