What is 2012? (or "The Great Harvest")

Sanat · 11-20-2008, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Matthew Greenaway

there making films about it now

http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/2012/

scary trailer

Hhehe. At least it will make many more people aware of it... However, as mind control "victim", Cathy O'Brien, points out; "they" love to mix reality with fiction as this is the best way to "hide" truth and also confuse people. The battle between dark and Light is ongoing in everything; Movies, art, literature...you name it...

Matthew Greenaway · 11-20-2008, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Sanat

Hhehe. At least it will make many more people aware of it... However, as mind control "victim", Cathy O'Brien, points out; "they" love to mix reality with fiction as this is the best way to "hide" truth and also confuse people. The battle between dark and Light is ongoing in everything; Movies, art, literature...you name it...

yeah i agree, the comments on the trailer i thought was quite resounding
"how would the governments of our planet prepare 6 billion people for the end of the world? they wouldn't" sounds about right

Allie · 11-20-2008, 12:59 PM

Hi Sanat

Thank you for your reply

I hadn't heard of 2012 when my alarm clock went off. When I found it my jaw was scraping the ground for many a month.

This is merely my observation and it therefore may not be a view that is right for anyone else, but as I journeyed along, acquainting myself with everything from Ascended Masters to conspiracy theories and hundreds of things in between, a couple of things became recurring themes as time went by; fear and judgementalism.

I noticed how so many views are based on fear and initially, I didn't escape this either

Eventually, I also discovered that for every view and arguement there existed it's equal, but opposite view. I also realised that it has it's own kind of addictive element. When fear and worry hit, you search for a solution by finding someone else's view in order to support/negate the first one.

You desperately want to know - but when all is said and done, what you have is the view(s) of someone (or many others) whom you do not know and therefore cannot be sure of.

I also discovered that initially, I was a little too quick off the mark to judge other people. Again, this wasn't from a place of personal knowledge, but of contrasting and comparing the 'views' that came from elsewhere. Or by seeing a 'good' or a 'bad' event/person.

In the end - and after more personal auditing that I care to remember, it really came down to the fact that the world was perhaps not all it seemed. I don't really care to turn on the 'Illuminti' channel for the latest news anymore. It doesn't really affect me when and if I do - I've already got the gist.

If I happen upon it, it's main benefit is that I get a self-check on whether or not it can create any reaction in me.

Some may call this being an ostrich - I would say the opposite. When you know the general gist and lose your attachment to the outcome, you begin to live in the 'now', rather than an unknown future.

I came to PA because I wanted to start a self-sufficent retreat - perhaps to aid the many who are truly frightened. I thought perhaps I might glean a thing or two about how to grow the odd carrot or raise the odd chicken

That kind of thing, anyway. I'm wholly dependant on the mainstream way of life and wouldn't have a clue how to step off the merry-go-round in the 'basic needs' kind of way.

The forum has evolved in other ways and that is fine.

Sanat · 11-20-2008, 03:30 PM

It seems to me that your "filtering process" has served you well Allie

. As did my own. It's really all about acceptance and non-resistance. Life flows naturally and more painless if one does not resist change or the "unknown". As a Master I have known always says: "Easy is right". Security does not come from preparing for the unknown in a thousand and one ways, it comes from simply accepting that there is only the unknown. The mystery is never-ending, and it gets more mysterious the more one evolves. I used to be totally asleep, and in that state I really thought I "knew it all". The more Awake you become the less you know. There is great beauty in paradox.

So many are caught up in the "being right" game. It's not about "being right" as that is really impossible. It's simply about being in Love, because Love is right. Being content no matter what the circumstances are is the only thing one needs. All else is based upon illusion.

Allie · 11-20-2008, 04:27 PM

I think going through all the negative emotions has been really, really useful.
Without them - and being aware of them - you haven't a clue what there is to transcend. It is like emptying your rucksack after a long and messy hike

The term 'polarity' has been mentioned several times and I kind of think this reaching for self-acceptance requires you to hike to your darker pole.

To some extent, I find that there is two of 'me' hovering around. My darling ego is still apt to throw a hissy fit from time to time - but there's another 'me' that is getting the knack of detaching, standing and watching and questioning what the hissy fit is all about

It sure is a long journey

Sanat · 11-20-2008, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Allie

I think going through all the negative emotions has been really, really useful.
Without them - and being aware of them - you haven't a clue what there is to transcend. It is like emptying your rucksack after a long and messy hike

The term 'polarity' has been mentioned several times and I kind of think this reaching for self-acceptance requires you to hike to your darker pole.

To some extent, I find that there is two of 'me' hovering around. My darling ego is still apt to throw a hissy fit from time to time - but there's another 'me' that is getting the knack of detaching, standing and watching and questioning what the hissy fit is all about

It sure is a long journey

Yea, and this is what is happening on a global plane now. A great cleansing process. Many people resist it though, and most are unaware of it alltogether. All of the negativity will surface to be processed out. This happens naturally if allowed. By facing darkness/ignorance you transmute it into Light and understanding. It is the only way and it often seems like a long journey (so why bother is what many people think). But what else is there to do really? Live an inauthentic life aliented from who you really are and want to be? I think not. The Grace of God is such that you can be suddenly released after years of struggling that seemingly lead you nowhere. Eckhart Tolle is a perfect example of that as he was on the verge of suicide when he suddenly was released.

I am currently working on my master thesis in Comparative Literature writing about Hamlet (they actually pay you to study in this country

). The Prince of Denmark is a perfect example of how this cleansing process works. He is driven to the verge of insanity and suicide by the catalyst of the "revenge mission" his massive warrior father figure and "social convention/conditioning" tries to push upon him. In the end he is suddenly "released" and returns from the sea in the last Act as a totally transformed being. This is the "hidden meaning" Shakespeare (in reality the freemason Sir Francis Bacon who calibrated in the higher 400s) tries to convey in his masterpiece. It sort of covertly depicts real spirituality and evolution in action without ever stating it explicitly (probably would have led to prosecution at that time).

Hamlet more or less saved my life (at least he was my only comfort when the times were rough because at least he would adress something that felt real. I also loved his very dark and morbid sense of humor. Still do.). Now I am simply "paying back my due" by bringing greater understanding to this masterpiece. The cleansing process in the end of the play where almost everyone dies is probably Shakespeares/Bacons way of giving a subtle "warning" to what an inauthentic life eventually brings and to the nature of the "cycle". The great irony is that all the characters in the play (except Hamlet) dies as a direct result of their own futile attempts to escape from their own mortality...

Allie · 11-20-2008, 06:40 PM

Interesting, Sanat

When you start looking around you can actually see the mirror reflecting back at you in all kinds of things.

Recently, I watched a TV program about child witchcraft in Nigeria. It was appalling - children with acid burns, machete marks - one, sadly brain damaged by a three inch nail driven into the top of her head - all in an attempt to elicit a 'confession' from these absolutely naive and innocent babes. Often these injuries were inflicted by their parents. Needless to say there were 'pastors' who could do the job of driving out the demon - for a price.

The sight of the injury done to these children and the trauma written deep into their faces was truly heart-wrenching.

Leading this movement was one woman, a self-styled expert in this field who had made highly irrational, quite evil, 'informational' DVD's on the matter. People watched them, word went round - children were persecuted because mankind always seems to need a dark force upon which to pin its angers and fears. Deaths in the village were down to a child witch; poor or no catches at sea - all down to child witches (in fact, it was a spillage from an oil tanker)

I guess millions who watched this must be thinking 'How can such primitive notions still exist?', but actually, they exist in our so-called 'civilised' world - we just don't always see them with such clarity. We still appear to need a 'dark' force; we still listen to whoever is going to 'guide' us away from them. We put our faith in those who say they can help. We still pay them to do so.

I suppose this program sort of summed up why I opt not to follow anyone and to lose my attachment to the outcome.

You have to be extremely careful whom you choose as your 'teacher' , 'guide' or 'leader'.

Better still - be your own eh?

Sanat · 11-20-2008, 07:53 PM

Yea, it does not matter so much that things are bad as long as "we" have someone else to blame for it... some kind of scapegoat. It is the ego-parasites at work. A true Master does not have a teaching and he does not do anything or inflict any "belief-system" upon anyone. He takes it all away instead. His Light/Love is simply so strong that being in that Presence brings darkness to the surface in a more rapid speed than what normally is the case. He is already there outside of good/evil waiting patiently for people to meet him there...

They way I see it this whole planet is currently experiencing a galactic Satsang that has been ongoing for many years already. The high vibration of Love/Light from the ETs and from Source itself (and also the Sun/Earth) has the same effect on the totality of the planet as a Master has on those close to him. As Osho used to say: Anyone who gives you a believe system is your enemy... Knowledge is fun and interesting, but it is part of the game so it can never be Truth. It can be more or less truthful or in alignment with Truth however...

Connecting with Sauce · 11-20-2008, 08:33 PM

Great thread...

Couple of comments or observations.

Is the "war on terror" we are experiencing actually a "war on terra".

I have started to come round to this way of thinking too that we need to be in observer mode and detach ourselves. Especially with my work...

I currently work for one of the 3 automotive manufacturers which is going cap in hand to ask for a bail out package, it seems unsuccessfully. Maybe they should have shared lear jets or even gone economy and got their story straight on the flight down to DC. I've seen the writing on the wall from the inside for a while... I have a sign next to my desk which says "Exit --->" and I joke to some people that the writing is on the wall

I'm so glad I am where I am on this journey as I would be in a state of fear etc for money future etc etc but am learning detachment from it. Also with all this harvesting happening by 2012 it is not as if I have to worry about my pension any longer

Allie · 11-20-2008, 09:00 PM

Hi Sauce (may I call you 'Saucy'?

)

As mentioned earlier in the thread I had a personal, psychic experience which led me into the enigma that is 2012. I wasn't told the eventual outcome so I spent two years trotting about, deer-stalker on top of my head in full Sherlock Holmes mode. I read, I visited websites, I attended talks, I met authors of books on 2012, I got to know channellers, .....and in general, I looked for 'the' answer to be given to me by someone else. Although I didn't realise that at the time.

What I found was that there appears to be so many theories. Each and every channeller, author, speaker and so on, that I met had a different belief. Even those who were channelling from the same source.

This led me to believe that perhaps a) we aren't meant to know (although don't question me on that one as I haven't worked it out either

)
b) there are an awful lot of beings with various agendas. c) when and if I am meant to know - I will. But it will come from 'me' as opposed to an outside source since my experiences to date tell me I may be the only person I can have faith in. Hopefully

So I get the gist of quite possibly every theory and belief that exists but the only way I can see through it all is to detach from the outcome, know that I'll find my way and find small joys in my current every day life.

As I said earlier, I came to Avalon as I was hoping to learn something about self-sufficiency. Perhaps I missed the point of the forum but either way, I've met some interesting people and picked up a little more insight into myself.

I don't know what it is - war on terra, golden era - I think running around with my deer-stalker on was useful, but it strikes me that if we haven't a clue what it is we're planning for, then the next best thing is to be mentally, emotionally, physically and spiritually equipped to do what we can, when we can for whoever we can.

Connecting with Sauce · 11-20-2008, 11:22 PM

Saucy is fine

Yes being prepared is the only thing we can do. A few weeks ago I was buying camping and survival gear... based on what was on here... and maybe I will need it sooner or later but as you say I am prepared as best I can be and I'm sure I will be ready when the time comes. I've learnt so much useful stuff and I couldn't use it to help people if I was hiding in a cave

up a mountain

Yes reading information is what seems to be consuming my time at the moment: I have so many unfinished book in my to read pile

latest one 'The Mayan Code' by Barara Clow. Research, research, research...

Sanat · 11-20-2008, 11:28 PM

I think this quote from the Operation Terra material is very relevant to this thread:

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You may not think that how things play out are what you would have wanted, but it is all perfect, seen within the larger Plan. If indeed it is all to come down around you, then the people in power have to be the ones who will be capable of doing that. YOU would do it differently, of that we are sure! But it is also the reason that you are NOT in the seat of power, because you WOULD do it differently. And you WILL do it differently, but not in THIS world, and not at THIS time. Your job is to simply BE HERE, holding the vision of something else. Through the principle of resonance, each one of you who is "ringing" with the tone of Terra, multiplies that effect and brings into being a template for a different kind of reality altogether.

You may ask why it has to be this way -- why you had to come HERE to create the pathway to THERE, to THAT way of being and living. The answer is simple on the surface, but profound if you stop to consider the ramifications it implies. You are not being born into bodies on Terra. That is reserved for the next generation -- the next group of Elohim that will take over the reins from you. You have to be HERE because it is from within your present bodies that the Adamic human will emerge again. We have said that you are lightning rods, grounding the higher Light into the planet, and that is true.

However, you are also a BRIDGE between this world and the next, a living vessel of transformation, a crucible within which the dross is converted into gold. You are all the alchemist's dream, but before a transformation can take place, there has to be some "dross" to transform. And that's why you had to come here, take on the "imperfect" bodies you inhabit, take on the "imperfect" thoughts and emotions that you all took on in one way or another, so that they could then be transformed.

You see, you are both a bridge and a pathcutter -- to borrow a phrase from Star Trek, you are going where no "man" has gone before. And by this, we are talking about the human species as it presently exists on your planet. Each of you came from another time, another plane of existence, to be here now. You came to embody these imperfections so that you could transform them into something else, and by doing that, you create a template -- a model in the consciousness that others can fit themselves to, like a standard against which they can measure themselves and align to over time. It will take generations for those who do not accompany you to Terra at this time to incarnate there, but they will eventually. Terra is the "next step" for those who are heading toward the positive polarity. There is another path, another "next step" for those who are heading toward the negative polarity, and you can see some of those who will be the bridges toward that destination in seats of power today. The real power brokers are behind the scenes, pulling the strings and playing off the ambitions of those who are more visible, but we will not dwell on that today. We want you to appreciate just who YOU are, why you are here, why it has to be this way, and what it is you have to do now.

source: http://www.operationterra.com/Messag...Crucible_.html

Are they hinting towards the Lucifer being (Hidden Hand) there in the end? Anyway this gives us a greater understanding of our role here. There is no need to "save the world" as such. It is only necessary to "save oneself". The 4th density positive Earth/Terra will be a totally different plane of existence. The current planet will be rendered uninhabitable after the cleansing and move into a state of deep well earned rest for a long time. The Mass consciousness of the Planet (together with those individuals that are destined for Terra) will split itself off from 3rd density and begin to inhabit the new Terra planetery body. Just like those that are destined for Terra will also eventually inhabit new lighter and higher density bodies of 4th density. Together they will create a new mass being in a new world. Those that are "not harvestable" will eventually incarnate on the new Terra as they evolve out of 3rd density from the "earth replica" they will find themselves on after the Shift. They will inherit Terra given some time, and the pioneers will be moving on to further adventures in other realms.

Allie · 11-21-2008, 12:14 AM

Hi Sanat

Interesting article, thank you

I've wondered over a 'purpose' situation. I'm not sure where I am with it. Perhaps because I have encountered people who begin their path in a very authentic way and somehow get sidetracked into a sort of egoistic 'I'm special' route - which ends up very bumpy indeed from what I have seen.

I've seen this change so many people and it appears a subtle 'method' of sorts. There are an awful lot of Generals out there

In fact, I saw so much of it on my travels that I thought I'd just keep my head down and be a foot soldier.

Whatever that may mean.

I'd be interested in your take on this

A

Sanat · 11-21-2008, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Allie

Hi Sanat

Interesting article, thank you

I've wondered over a 'purpose' situation. I'm not sure where I am with it. Perhaps because I have encountered people who begin their path in a very authentic way and somehow get sidetracked into a sort of egoistic 'I'm special' route - which ends up very bumpy indeed from what I have seen.

I've seen this change so many people and it appears a subtle 'method' of sorts. There are an awful lot of Generals out there

In fact, I saw so much of it on my travels that I thought I'd just keep my head down and be a foot soldier.

Whatever that may mean.

I'd be interested in your take on this

A

Trying to be "special" is a natural compensation for not being "yourself". Everyone is influenced by it to some degree as long as the ego/parasite-identity is still identified with. Only in the very upper part of the Scale will you find "ordinary people". Not so many of them around on this Planet... I count myself lucky to have known one...

Being Aware of the ego/mind is of great help of course. Being a foot soldier is totally OK in my book. Like Chris (Sheen) says in Platoon about the grunts:

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Well, here I am, anonymous all right. With guys nobody really cares about. They come from the end of the line, most of 'em. Small towns you never heard of: Pulaski, Tennessee; Brandon, Mississippi; Pork Van, Utah; Wampum, Pennsylvania. Two years' high school's about it, maybe if they're lucky a job waiting for them back at a factory, but most of 'em got nothing. They're poor, they're the unwanted, yet they're fighting for our society and our freedom. It's weird, isn't it? They're the bottom of the barrel and they know it. Maybe that's why they call themselves grunts, cause a grunt can take it, can take anything. They're the best I've ever seen, Grandma. The Heart and Soul...

That last sentence always touched me very deeply. There is no reason to "be" anything. Be part of the process and be happy. Those that make a career out of this risk being trapped in some "new age guru identity" (either subtle or not so subtle). I live very anonymously. I have very few friends (only one left actually). A foot soldier is perfect. Let the whole world turn into a madhouse as long as you are on the right path, who cares?

~ I love this place at night. The stars... there's no right or wrong in them. They're just there.~ Sgt. Elias Grodin

Here is another quote from Operation Terra:

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Those of you who are destined to Terra have a very special job to do. You have to maintain yourselves in such a way that you continue to sound and expand on the frequency pattern of Terra. You carry Terra within you. You KNOW HER already. When someone describes Terra to you, you recognize her as the child of your own longing. Your dream/vision of Terra is your dream/vision of "home," and your job is to cultivate the reality of home within you for a time, until it is time to bring it with you and create it on the new planet that Earth will become. We will be giving you "Terra lessons" that you will recognize as being what is really "right" to do, but you need to understand that it runs counter to everything in the consensus reality -- so much so that the consensus reality appears to have everything "backwards." The priorities are all wrong, and you sense that and know that, but until now, not only did you not have an explanation for that, you also did not know what to do about it.

http://www.operationterra.com/Messag...Enrgypkt_.html

Allie · 11-21-2008, 02:29 AM

Again - interesting response, Sanat. Thank You

I agree with your thoughts on Guru status. Bless 'em

I feel those I have known have started in an innocent way - perhaps the clouds cleared for them and their only wish was to help others, too. Where it seemed to go a bit haywire was that they perhaps saw others as being in need of their teaching on a longer-term or more all-encompassing basis than was in fact the case. And vice-versa. How best to explain this without sounding a might high-handed myself?

One day, whilst with a friend who was speaking to a teacher, I had a notion pop into my mind - I don't know where from so won't lay claim to it.

The teacher was kind and doing a good job but I sort of sensed that she saw her place as being an all-round spiritual teacher (as opposed to a Reiki teacher) perhaps more spiritually advanced than those she was teaching. She wasn't necessarily considering the possibility that the pupils who came to her were doing so to fulfill one aspect of their path - not all of it. And that in other respects, they might be able to teach her. She only had to listen.

Does that make sense?

Steven · 11-21-2008, 02:54 AM

Sanat you are really productive. Keep your good work.

Even if I do not always share your point of view, I am very interested in what you think and your work. You show dedication, passion and respect. I really appreciate it.

By the way, I went to your site, very interesting, keep digging. You hold a gold vein.

All my blessings to you and your beloved, Steven

11-20-2008, 12:59 PM	#3
Allie Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 161	Re: What is 2012? (or "The Great Harvest") Hi Sanat Thank you for your reply I hadn't heard of 2012 when my alarm clock went off. When I found it my jaw was scraping the ground for many a month. This is merely my observation and it therefore may not be a view that is right for anyone else, but as I journeyed along, acquainting myself with everything from Ascended Masters to conspiracy theories and hundreds of things in between, a couple of things became recurring themes as time went by; fear and judgementalism. I noticed how so many views are based on fear and initially, I didn't escape this either Eventually, I also discovered that for every view and arguement there existed it's equal, but opposite view. I also realised that it has it's own kind of addictive element. When fear and worry hit, you search for a solution by finding someone else's view in order to support/negate the first one. You desperately want to know - but when all is said and done, what you have is the view(s) of someone (or many others) whom you do not know and therefore cannot be sure of. I also discovered that initially, I was a little too quick off the mark to judge other people. Again, this wasn't from a place of personal knowledge, but of contrasting and comparing the 'views' that came from elsewhere. Or by seeing a 'good' or a 'bad' event/person. In the end - and after more personal auditing that I care to remember, it really came down to the fact that the world was perhaps not all it seemed. I don't really care to turn on the 'Illuminti' channel for the latest news anymore. It doesn't really affect me when and if I do - I've already got the gist. If I happen upon it, it's main benefit is that I get a self-check on whether or not it can create any reaction in me. Some may call this being an ostrich - I would say the opposite. When you know the general gist and lose your attachment to the outcome, you begin to live in the 'now', rather than an unknown future. I came to PA because I wanted to start a self-sufficent retreat - perhaps to aid the many who are truly frightened. I thought perhaps I might glean a thing or two about how to grow the odd carrot or raise the odd chicken That kind of thing, anyway. I'm wholly dependant on the mainstream way of life and wouldn't have a clue how to step off the merry-go-round in the 'basic needs' kind of way. The forum has evolved in other ways and that is fine.

11-20-2008, 03:30 PM	#4
Sanat Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 413	Re: What is 2012? (or "The Great Harvest") It seems to me that your "filtering process" has served you well Allie. As did my own. It's really all about acceptance and non-resistance. Life flows naturally and more painless if one does not resist change or the "unknown". As a Master I have known always says: "Easy is right". Security does not come from preparing for the unknown in a thousand and one ways, it comes from simply accepting that there is only the unknown. The mystery is never-ending, and it gets more mysterious the more one evolves. I used to be totally asleep, and in that state I really thought I "knew it all". The more Awake you become the less you know. There is great beauty in paradox. So many are caught up in the "being right" game. It's not about "being right" as that is really impossible. It's simply about being in Love, because Love is right. Being content no matter what the circumstances are is the only thing one needs. All else is based upon illusion.

11-20-2008, 04:27 PM	#5
Allie Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 161	Re: What is 2012? (or "The Great Harvest") I think going through all the negative emotions has been really, really useful. Without them - and being aware of them - you haven't a clue what there is to transcend. It is like emptying your rucksack after a long and messy hike The term 'polarity' has been mentioned several times and I kind of think this reaching for self-acceptance requires you to hike to your darker pole. To some extent, I find that there is two of 'me' hovering around. My darling ego is still apt to throw a hissy fit from time to time - but there's another 'me' that is getting the knack of detaching, standing and watching and questioning what the hissy fit is all about It sure is a long journey

11-20-2008, 06:40 PM	#7
Allie Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 161	Re: What is 2012? (or "The Great Harvest") Interesting, Sanat When you start looking around you can actually see the mirror reflecting back at you in all kinds of things. Recently, I watched a TV program about child witchcraft in Nigeria. It was appalling - children with acid burns, machete marks - one, sadly brain damaged by a three inch nail driven into the top of her head - all in an attempt to elicit a 'confession' from these absolutely naive and innocent babes. Often these injuries were inflicted by their parents. Needless to say there were 'pastors' who could do the job of driving out the demon - for a price. The sight of the injury done to these children and the trauma written deep into their faces was truly heart-wrenching. Leading this movement was one woman, a self-styled expert in this field who had made highly irrational, quite evil, 'informational' DVD's on the matter. People watched them, word went round - children were persecuted because mankind always seems to need a dark force upon which to pin its angers and fears. Deaths in the village were down to a child witch; poor or no catches at sea - all down to child witches (in fact, it was a spillage from an oil tanker) I guess millions who watched this must be thinking 'How can such primitive notions still exist?', but actually, they exist in our so-called 'civilised' world - we just don't always see them with such clarity. We still appear to need a 'dark' force; we still listen to whoever is going to 'guide' us away from them. We put our faith in those who say they can help. We still pay them to do so. I suppose this program sort of summed up why I opt not to follow anyone and to lose my attachment to the outcome. You have to be extremely careful whom you choose as your 'teacher' , 'guide' or 'leader'. Better still - be your own eh?

11-20-2008, 07:53 PM	#8
Sanat Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 413	Re: What is 2012? (or "The Great Harvest") Yea, it does not matter so much that things are bad as long as "we" have someone else to blame for it... some kind of scapegoat. It is the ego-parasites at work. A true Master does not have a teaching and he does not do anything or inflict any "belief-system" upon anyone. He takes it all away instead. His Light/Love is simply so strong that being in that Presence brings darkness to the surface in a more rapid speed than what normally is the case. He is already there outside of good/evil waiting patiently for people to meet him there... They way I see it this whole planet is currently experiencing a galactic Satsang that has been ongoing for many years already. The high vibration of Love/Light from the ETs and from Source itself (and also the Sun/Earth) has the same effect on the totality of the planet as a Master has on those close to him. As Osho used to say: Anyone who gives you a believe system is your enemy... Knowledge is fun and interesting, but it is part of the game so it can never be Truth. It can be more or less truthful or in alignment with Truth however...

11-20-2008, 08:33 PM	#9
Connecting with Sauce Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Chelmsford, Essex Posts: 650	Re: What is 2012? (or "The Great Harvest") Great thread... Couple of comments or observations. Is the "war on terror" we are experiencing actually a "war on terra". I have started to come round to this way of thinking too that we need to be in observer mode and detach ourselves. Especially with my work... I currently work for one of the 3 automotive manufacturers which is going cap in hand to ask for a bail out package, it seems unsuccessfully. Maybe they should have shared lear jets or even gone economy and got their story straight on the flight down to DC. I've seen the writing on the wall from the inside for a while... I have a sign next to my desk which says "Exit --->" and I joke to some people that the writing is on the wall I'm so glad I am where I am on this journey as I would be in a state of fear etc for money future etc etc but am learning detachment from it. Also with all this harvesting happening by 2012 it is not as if I have to worry about my pension any longer

11-20-2008, 09:00 PM	#10
Allie Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 161	Re: What is 2012? (or "The Great Harvest") Hi Sauce (may I call you 'Saucy'? ) As mentioned earlier in the thread I had a personal, psychic experience which led me into the enigma that is 2012. I wasn't told the eventual outcome so I spent two years trotting about, deer-stalker on top of my head in full Sherlock Holmes mode. I read, I visited websites, I attended talks, I met authors of books on 2012, I got to know channellers, .....and in general, I looked for 'the' answer to be given to me by someone else. Although I didn't realise that at the time. What I found was that there appears to be so many theories. Each and every channeller, author, speaker and so on, that I met had a different belief. Even those who were channelling from the same source. This led me to believe that perhaps a) we aren't meant to know (although don't question me on that one as I haven't worked it out either ) b) there are an awful lot of beings with various agendas. c) when and if I am meant to know - I will. But it will come from 'me' as opposed to an outside source since my experiences to date tell me I may be the only person I can have faith in. Hopefully So I get the gist of quite possibly every theory and belief that exists but the only way I can see through it all is to detach from the outcome, know that I'll find my way and find small joys in my current every day life. As I said earlier, I came to Avalon as I was hoping to learn something about self-sufficiency. Perhaps I missed the point of the forum but either way, I've met some interesting people and picked up a little more insight into myself. I don't know what it is - war on terra, golden era - I think running around with my deer-stalker on was useful, but it strikes me that if we haven't a clue what it is we're planning for, then the next best thing is to be mentally, emotionally, physically and spiritually equipped to do what we can, when we can for whoever we can.

11-20-2008, 11:22 PM	#11
Connecting with Sauce Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Chelmsford, Essex Posts: 650	Re: What is 2012? (or "The Great Harvest") Saucy is fine Yes being prepared is the only thing we can do. A few weeks ago I was buying camping and survival gear... based on what was on here... and maybe I will need it sooner or later but as you say I am prepared as best I can be and I'm sure I will be ready when the time comes. I've learnt so much useful stuff and I couldn't use it to help people if I was hiding in a cave up a mountain Yes reading information is what seems to be consuming my time at the moment: I have so many unfinished book in my to read pile latest one 'The Mayan Code' by Barara Clow. Research, research, research...

11-21-2008, 12:14 AM	#13
Allie Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 161	Re: What is 2012? (or "The Great Harvest") Hi Sanat Interesting article, thank you I've wondered over a 'purpose' situation. I'm not sure where I am with it. Perhaps because I have encountered people who begin their path in a very authentic way and somehow get sidetracked into a sort of egoistic 'I'm special' route - which ends up very bumpy indeed from what I have seen. I've seen this change so many people and it appears a subtle 'method' of sorts. There are an awful lot of Generals out there In fact, I saw so much of it on my travels that I thought I'd just keep my head down and be a foot soldier. Whatever that may mean. I'd be interested in your take on this A

11-21-2008, 02:29 AM	#15
Allie Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 161	Re: What is 2012? (or "The Great Harvest") Again - interesting response, Sanat. Thank You I agree with your thoughts on Guru status. Bless 'em I feel those I have known have started in an innocent way - perhaps the clouds cleared for them and their only wish was to help others, too. Where it seemed to go a bit haywire was that they perhaps saw others as being in need of their teaching on a longer-term or more all-encompassing basis than was in fact the case. And vice-versa. How best to explain this without sounding a might high-handed myself?One day, whilst with a friend who was speaking to a teacher, I had a notion pop into my mind - I don't know where from so won't lay claim to it. The teacher was kind and doing a good job but I sort of sensed that she saw her place as being an all-round spiritual teacher (as opposed to a Reiki teacher) perhaps more spiritually advanced than those she was teaching. She wasn't necessarily considering the possibility that the pupils who came to her were doing so to fulfill one aspect of their path - not all of it. And that in other respects, they might be able to teach her. She only had to listen.Does that make sense?

11-21-2008, 02:54 AM	#16
Steven Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Temiscouata Posts: 873	Re: What is 2012? (or "The Great Harvest") Sanat you are really productive. Keep your good work. Even if I do not always share your point of view, I am very interested in what you think and your work. You show dedication, passion and respect. I really appreciate it. By the way, I went to your site, very interesting, keep digging. You hold a gold vein. All my blessings to you and your beloved, Steven