Barack Obama Planted?

[mntruthseeker]

Oh lol now Ron Paul is a racist.


you need to stop and look at people for WHO THEY ARE and not what the color of their skin is. I have learned to do that a long time ago.

Stop throwing the word around and just let the race run on its own merits of who you are, not what color your skin is

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

Oh lol now Ron Paul is a racist.


you need to stop and look at people for WHO THEY ARE and not what the color of their skin is. I have learned to do that a long time ago.

Stop throwing the word around and just let the race run on its own merits of who you are, not what color your skin is

Making out Dr.Paul to be some kind of savior is just as bad as making Obama out to be a savior. They are neither and I just don't like Dr.Paul and would never support him.

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

Oh lol now Ron Paul is a racist.


you need to stop and look at people for WHO THEY ARE and not what the color of their skin is. I have learned to do that a long time ago.

Stop throwing the word around and just let the race run on its own merits of who you are, not what color your skin is

I agree the term Racist is overused or misused.
How many people here have cleaned out their OWN racist 'thinking'?

I was raised by two parents that had racist thinking. My Mother was really bad where my Father was actually 'Open Minded' for the times.
Still, they had their racist views. (It was called Prejudice Back Then BTW)

So with that *I* grew up thinking somewhat like my parents.
It took years to slowly start to change my thinking and even to this very day I catch myself 'thinking in those terms'.

Point is: Everyone has their Prejudices for something or someone.
The term Prejudice means to Pre-Judge someone/something before knowing any or all of the facts.

So how many here know ALL the facts?

[Ampgod]

oops ! What have I started here.

Sorry.
I did not want this to turn into a big political argument.

I would like to state that I am for no known candidate or any president ever.
I want the entire system changed to one with love and truth at it's very core.



Live Love & Seek Truth,
Ampgod

[peaceandlove]

Originally Posted by Stephen

I agree the term Racist is overused or misused.
How many people here have cleaned out their OWN racist 'thinking'?

I was raised by two parents that had racist thinking. My Mother was really bad where my Father was actually 'Open Minded' for the times.
Still, they had their racist views. (It was called Prejudice Back Then BTW)

So with that *I* grew up thinking somewhat like my parents.
It took years to slowly start to change my thinking and even to this very day I catch myself 'thinking in those terms'.

Stephen,
Thank you for your sincerity. I have written two papers on prejudice, one in High School and one in College, as my parents were also somewhat racist, but in a way as to protect me from the barbs of others or so I thought.

"Children learn in their homes about animosity toward another group."
I always like to share these poignant lyrics from South Pacific (1949) by Rogers and Hammerstein that "summarize this learning concept".

'You've Got To Be Carefully Taught'

You've got to be taught to hate and fear
You've got to be taught from year to year
It's got to be drummed in your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught

You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made
And people whose skin is a different shade
You've got to be carefully taught

You've got to be taught before it's too late
Before you are 6 or 7 or 8
To hate all the people your relatives hate
You've got to be carefully taught

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

End Time 2012

I cant believe you brought up racism in your statement

I have never heard so much of that "one word" since Obama started this race

He is black, yes, but what comes out of all of this is, he is also very racist and waves this issue around like a white flag of sorts. He is not who everyone thinks he is, otherwise he wouldnt be where he is at.

No one becomes president unless he is "one of them"

Jeff Rense didnt write the letter that he had posted on his web site. I have to agree with the writer on the shift of emotions of voting for him

I think you're imaging things. Obama's detractors have brought up his race far more than he has. They've made false claims and have attempted to destroy his campaign while giving his opponents a pass (though this is starting to change).

In fact, let's look at things shall we?

Obama - Pastor Wright
McCain - Pastor Hagee
Palin- Pastor Kalnins

Obama- Ayers
McCain- Keating 5
Palin- Alaska Independence Party

All three candidates had or have been accused of having shady connections (Ayers is junk but Wright was an issue). Before you claim that Obama is bringing up race all the time, I urge you to look at media coverage of all three candidates. Rev.Wright and Ayers have gotten far more coverage than the wingnut pastors of Palin and McCain or the fact that Palin has associated with the AIP or even the Keating 5.

Who's making race an issue here? It's not Obama. Because he is black (bi-racial actually), he's getting more criticism than two white candidates.

I fail to see what discussing politics here will accomplish. I can clearly see that I'm not going to agree with anyone politically. I'd rather not worry about politics because in the bigger picture, this election isn't going to matter much anyway. They're all corrupt but I still chose Obama and that's final for me.

[raulduke]

End_Times,
I know you don't want to talk politics, but I cannot help myself.

Originally Posted by End_Times012

Who's making race an issue here? It's not Obama. Because he is black (bi-racial actually), he's getting more criticism than two white candidates.

You cannot seriously mean this. First of all, criticism is not equal to racism. Secondly, Barrack seems to bring up his race more than any opposition.
Do you remeber when he told a crowd at one of his rallies:

"Nobody thinks that Bush and McCain have a real answer to the challenges we face. What they're going to try to do is make you scared of me. You know: 'He's not patriotic enough. He's got a funny name. You know, he doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills."

It was somewhat ambiguous as to wether or not he was refering to his race, until his chief campaign strategist David Axelrod said:

"He's not from central casting," .... "when it comes to candidates for president of the United States. He's new to Washington. Yes, he's African American."

Barrack will use his race card when it suits him, no question.
The McCain Camp is avoiding it all costs, not because it is ethical per se, but because, in truth, it is no longer palatable to the masses.
I'm not saying that as a culture we are past racism. Far from it. Nowadays though racism is an undercurrent that is not politicaly correct and not quite as loud as it was in the past. If McCain's camp plays the race card, rest assured it will not be directly linkable to them.
Barrack does have a sort of advantage here, which seems to be that, because he is part african american, he can bring up the issue claiming it to be at least part of the reason that they want to "make you scared of me[Obama]"

I think you are seeing the "writing on the wall" here. There is no significant difference between these candidates.

Originally Posted by End_Times012

They're all corrupt but I still chose Obama and that's final for me.

A wise old hippy once said:
"Continually choosing the lesser of two evils, is still choosing evil."

One last question End_Times. (Columbo style)
Are you lumping Jeremiah Wright in w/ Hagee and Kalnins (p.s. Thomas Muthee is the real throwback http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ccmRuCpFjY)? Because, imo at least, Wright was speaking the truth in many cases.

[eleni]

Read John Hogue's book MABUS.

[mntruthseeker]

Now why would he change his name to Barry Soreto when that is his adopted name which makes him an Indonesian citizen......? You see he was adopted to attend school and he had to be an Indonesian citizen to attend school there. In hawaaii, both parents need to be american citizens in order for the child to be......A mother also has to be 21 yrs of age. She was not

Both McCain and Obama are puppets. Both are illuminatis and both will continue to hurt the USA.

Obama is a plant as indicated

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

Now why would he change his name to Barry Soreto when that is his adopted name which makes him an Indonesian citizen......? You see he was adopted to attend school and he had to be an Indonesian citizen to attend school there. In hawaaii, both parents need to be american citizens in order for the child to be......A mother also has to be 21 yrs of age. She was not

Both McCain and Obama are puppets. Both are illuminatis and both will continue to hurt the USA.

Obama is a plant as indicated

He is also the lesser of two evils.

Again, I can't understand what you're trying to accomplish by spreading disinformation about a Presidential candidate. You're not the first to do so and apparently not the last.

And it's funny how people take Sean Hannity seriously. He has connections to Neo-Nazis. The man has his head so far up his *** as well.

You show me a third party candidate other than Ron Paul that can get the people to stand up and clap and I'll show you a vote. Otherwise, third party candidates will always be a joke.

[raulduke]

Hi End_Times, I was wondering if you would respond to my post above, if you have the time.

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by raulduke

Hi End_Times, I was wondering if you would respond to my post above, if you have the time.

The term "race card" is a term invented by right-wing politicians and they pull out this handy little card whenever they think race has been invoked in a political manner.

McCain doesn't have to use racism. His supporters have already done it for him. Did you read about a rally in Clearwater, FL where McCain/Palin supporters were openly calling for Obama's death? What about the rally where an older white male brought a toy monkey with an Obama shirt and when the camera panned to him, he pawned it off on a kid?

Like it or not, racism still exists in this country and I just don't understand why Obama is the one accused of using race.

There's also a saying out there: "If you didn't vote, don't complain."

[raulduke]

Originally Posted by End_Times012

The term "race card" is a term invented by right-wing politicians and they pull out this handy little card whenever they think race has been invoked in a political manner.

I was really hoping not to have to argue semantics w/ you but, oh well here goes.
Wether you want to call it a race card or a race issue, surely you would agree that race, as an issue, exists and either campaign can selectively use it to their benefit as they see fit.
Please try to get past this left/right wing thinking. It's circular logic anyway.

Originally Posted by End_Times012

McCain doesn't have to use racism. His supporters have already done it for him. Did you read about a rally in Clearwater, FL where McCain/Palin supporters were openly calling for Obama's death? What about the rally where an older white male brought a toy monkey with an Obama shirt and when the camera panned to him, he pawned it off on a kid?

I'm not sure you actually read my original post, as right there, you have made my point.

Yes, I saw that rally and a more recent one where McCain was booed for saying Obama was a "decent man". He didn't say "good man" because that wouldn't play well nationaly for him, but he couldn't indulge the frenzied crowd either because that wouldn't play well either. The fact is that fear of "different" people (i.e; racism) is indeed prevalent in some sleepy backwaters, so tactics that are slightly more overtly racist, will play better. They "focus group" the sh*t out of the American public to find out our fears and desires and then craft rhetoric that they think wil resonte w/ said fears or desire.

Obama may well be a good man, and his original intentions for seeking the office of the president may have been noble. McCain too for that matter.
Frankly though, that is irrelevant because good men or not, niether would be where they are w/o some very powerful backers.
What does matter though, is that the hands up the backsides of these two candidates are connected to the same entity.

I'll quote Thunderbird as an example of how it might be very easy to co-opt a good man.

Originally Posted by Thunderbird

Whats interesting about this....

remember when his jet had to make an emergency landing a few months back?

pilot lost controls of the plane.

something about an emergency slide being deployed...

yeah well what they arent telling you is that someone got controls of the aircraft and used that to SCARE him into doing what he was told.

notice his demeanor changed right after that incident.

"hey do what we tell you or we will pull your card...see how easy it is?"

EDIT: Thunderbird was responding to a thread I wrote entitled "Has Barack Obama Already Been Comprimised?"

Originally Posted by End_Times012

There's also a saying out there: "If you didn't vote, don't complain.

I didn't say I wasn't voting. I'll vote for nader/gonzales. I'm sure you think that is throwing my vote away, but nader imo is a man uncorruptable.

[raulduke]

End_Times,

Your repsonses leave me wanting.

Maybe it's just me, but I feel like I am making valid critiques of your arguments, and you are chucking out red herrings ("race card") like a fishmonger on friday.

Care to respond to anything I have written here w/o using semantics or circular logic?

[Dantheman62]

Give it to'em rd.LOL!

[Gnosis5]

Leo Zagami outs Barack Obama. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oohv17NTLi8

[Adarajones]

http://larrysinclair.org/press.html

My jaw almost dropped when I watched this video!.

"IF" this would be true, OH God!

Use discernment!

[mntruthseeker]

I really do not care what obama is as long as he isnt president

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

I really do not care what obama is as long as he isnt president

I do not want another Republican President.

One of the major 'things' that *I* am most concered with that the media or anyone else really does not dicuss very much is The Supreme Court.

I do not want another Repulican just on those grounds alone....

The Supreme Court affects us MAJORLY long after a President's 4 years in offiice...

Another point that people in the United Corporate States of America are not 'getting' is how much we have sold off our National Wealth.

I posted a video in another thread here and other forums about Argentina's Economic Collapse.
What has happened in Argentina is happening here in the States.

Link to that post: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showp...8&postcount=18

[Frank Samuel]

The ball is already set in motion, Bildeberg group and other economic conglamerates if you will choose their candidate. What's plan for the USA with this make believe economic crisis is creatting a currency common to this hemisphere, the Amero. Barrack is already on board, so is McCain. There will be initial resistance expected because most change taken place will be very radical. The world of politics especially at the highest levels is a group of exclusivity. You aready know the groups anyone aspiring a high post in the goverment has to do to get a clean card. The Kenya connection for Obama
brings about and agenda which in a way makes him very astute. In the game of chess Barrack is a master chess player. McCain is on check or what I apropiately would term a stalemate.

[Son of Eire]

Originally Posted by End_Times012

He's NOT a Muslim for the 5,000th time. He's also not Barry Sotrero (sp?) or whatever the hell the right-wing smear machine wants to believe. When the man himself publicly debunks this ****, when will the right-wing sheeple get the hint and move on?

When will the left wing sheeple ie. YOU get the hint.They are all the same rotton to the core always have been ,always will.

[hueyii]

Turn off the news
stop reading conspiracy theories
meditate
vote the way your heart or "the source" tells you.

Mindless banter and deluded thinking doesnt serve the higher good. If you act out of love you cannot go wrong.

[mntruthseeker]

I just read an interesting article on the African Associate Press.....apparently mischelle obama called and ranted once again about the white racist. What is this if its not racism?

http://africanpress.wordpress.com/20...ephone-to-api/

[RSF]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

I just read an interesting article on the African Associate Press.....apparently mischelle obama called and ranted once again about the white racist. What is this if its not racism?

http://africanpress.wordpress.com/20...ephone-to-api/

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Cool research. But how do you feel about colors? I mean, these are highly educated people living, working and campaigning in the American world. Is black a problem.. though it is with a % of McCain supporters.

Goodness gracious. Seems to me Obama's concepts and actions in office, will be a blessing to middle-class Americans. Especially American People w/an income -240.000.
What level are YOU at?
RSF