Do you think that Barak Obama knows?

[Northern Boy]

Originally Posted by Egg

That gave me the creepiest 'creeped out' feeling reading that. I take it that this is the same Shaman from the David Icke books? I see it is, and in that case if he says obama is up to no good, I'll bet a weeks wages he is correct. 2009 should be very interesting indeed.

they are already calling 2009 the year of the wall street bloodbath and it is set to begin starting Jan 2 2009 you will see massive mall vacancy`s as stores simply close there doors

[Egg]

Originally Posted by Northern Boy

they are already calling 2009 the year of the wall street bloodbath and it is set to begin starting Jan 2 2009 you will see massive mall vacancy`s as stores simply close there doors

Yeah I bet. This isn't a year that holds alot of promise - hope we the people can be a little nicer and kinder to each other in these coming times. I still get the shivers reading that poem though no matter how positive I try to be.

[K626]

For what's happening in the U.S. it's easy to throw eggs and make silly posters, the people are as much to blame for the unfolding sceneario of erasure of freedoms. cack handed foreign policy as the leaders. I personally blame the American people as much as the hidden hands. No escaping it, sorry. Change can only come when the people start to get involved and say no.

[Egg]

K626 thats the biggest crock of rubbish I have ever read.

You tell me that the governments listen to the people and i'll ask what Tv news channel told you that crock of poo. Think people on the streets wanted the bail out? no they didn't. Did they get listened to? no they didn't.

Think the people on the street want rampant ilegal unchecked immigration from Mexico and the North American Union? no they don't. Do they get listened to? not at all.

Same across europe - lets see, the irish are having a second vote because? because the elite don't like the answers they got.

Hence the elite are bending everything round to their way by propoganda and lies and the force of threats. Short of a civil war and armed uprising, the small man has a very hard struggle to even say boo let alone anything else.

[K626]

Originally Posted by Egg

K626 thats the biggest crock of rubbish I have ever read.

You tell me that the governments listen to the people and i'll ask what Tv news channel told you that crock of poo. Think people on the streets wanted the bail out? no they didn't. Did they get listened to? no they didn't.

Think the people on the street want rampant ilegal unchecked immigration from Mexico and the North American Union? no they don't. Do they get listened to? not at all.

Same across europe - lets see, the irish are having a second vote because? because the elite don't like the answers they got.

Hence the elite are bending everything round to their way by propoganda and lies and the force of threats. Short of a civil war and armed uprising, the small man has a very hard struggle to even say boo let alone anything else.

Where did I say Gov listen to people?

Before you get on your mind liquifying high horse you should perhaps learn to read.

How long would you in the U.S. last without cheap illegal labour?

The point of my post was that people need to get involved more in whatever way they can and that individuls have much more power than they realise to change their reality. I certainly wouldn't refer to them as 'the small man'..

One of the reasons the pyramid works is that people lower down absolve themselves of responsability and take little interst untill something goes wrong in their personal lives...That is just a luxury we can ill afford now.

I know some good Americans and there are parts of the American identity that will fight back, but my point stands there are huge numbers who still remain asleep even though they have some inkling of what is going on in their name. I don't think disguising that fact helps anyone.


Love and Peace.

K.

[Orion Morris]

Well the bottom line is that whatever happens in the US will happen in Europe and the rest of the Western countries. The American people are asleep in the same proportion that the rest of the world is asleep. It is too late for a political revolution, we have too many weapons and people are too violent. What we have to have is a spiritual revolution. It has to start in ourselves and reflect itself in our neighbors and our communities. Our money and our current ways of exchange are eroding and it is time to find a better way.

"Its the ones who complain about the global war, but won't overthrow the local joker that they voted for." Sage Francis

Originally Posted by K626

For what's happening in the U.S. it's easy to throw eggs and make silly posters, the people are as much to blame for the unfolding sceneario of erasure of freedoms. cack handed foreign policy as the leaders. I personally blame the American people as much as the hidden hands. No escaping it, sorry. Change can only come when the people start to get involved and say no.

We are very aware of the people behind obama....but did you ever think that with help from "we the people" he can throw off the yoke. Maybe this is why people sense he will not be around long as he's going to stick it to 'em. HA!

That's my story and I'm sticking to it!!

[Orion Morris]

Good luck with that... Participating in the system only empowers it.

Originally Posted by Kathleen

We are very aware of the people behind obama....but did you ever think that with help from "we the people" he can throw off the yoke. Maybe this is why people sense he will not be around long as he's going to stick it to 'em. HA!

That's my story and I'm sticking to it!!

Originally Posted by Orion Morris

Good luck with that... Participating in the system only empowers it.

I'm not really talking about participating in the system. Simply sending positive and healing thoughts......

Like I said...I didn't vote for him...I just am feeling the negativity attached to obama discourse empowers negativity. Self fullfilling prophecy and all that.

[Barron]

Humble Janitor said, "Remember, bad things only happen if we MAKE them happen. All this talk about FEMA camps, survival, etc? It's simply fear on the part of people who cannot see anything BUT fear."

I disagree as i didn't make Marilyn Monroe get asassinated nor Robert kennedy yet they did. I didn't make FEMA camps get built either but they have been.

Nasty things happen not as a result of us NOT making them happen!
I do agree with the messages on this thread however re being positive and focussing on the outcome that you desire. However, a very large degree of "tough love" is indeed required, much like a loving and concerned parent reprimanding a naughty child by telling them to take timeout and go to their room etc. We must also act people.

[Noela]

Humble Janitor - Thanks for your reply to my post re David Wilcock and his article. I tend to post, and, so it seems, get no replies or feedback, and wonder has anyone seen or considered my contribution. So, heartening that you read David's article - I hope others will also.

Love and blessings to all
Noela

[Barron]

You are invited to listen to the January 23, 2009 "Conversations with Dr. Steven Greer" program on WorldPuja.org at 11 am Pacific / 2 pm Eastern and 6 pm Pacific / 9 pm Eastern. It will then be available in the show archives after that, at http://www.worldpuja.org/archives.ph...even&rnd=12576

Dr. Greer discusses the possibilities that will be open with the new Obama Adminstration regarding ET Disclosure, contact and new energy systems.

The Administration says they are interested in bold action. Dr. Greer urges all listening to contact their representatives and the Obama Administration and give them the Disclosure Project and Orion Project websites so they can see real out-of-the-box solutions. Dr. Greer suggests that President Obama issue an Emancipation Proclamation...freeing the peoples of the world from the slavery of the current economic system.

It's an animated hour with Dr. Greer – excited with the possibilities of 2009.

CSETI - www.CSETI.org
Disclosure Project - www.DisclosureProject.org

[Barron]

Obama hasn't wasted any time in murdering people. Thank goodness he's not McCain, huh? Here's the link http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...barack-obama-a... and here are the story highlights:


President orders air strikes on villages in tribal area

Barack Obama gave the go-ahead for his first military action yesterday, missile strikes against suspected militants in Pakistan which killed at least 18 people.

Four days after assuming the presidency, he was consulted by US commanders before they launched the two attacks. Although Obama has abandoned many of the "war on terror" policies of George Bush while he was president, he is not retreating from the hunt for Osama bin Laden and other al-Qaida leaders.

The first attack yesterday was on the village of Zharki, in Waziristan; three missiles destroyed two houses and killed 10 people. One villager told Reuters of phone that of nine bodies pulled from the rubble of one house, six were its owner and his relatives; Reuters added that intelligence officials said some foreign militants were also killed. A second attack hours later also in Warizistan killed eight people.

So i guess Obama must know something we don't know huh??!!

[mntruthseeker]

Hello Steve,

I would love to believe that is the case. Too many things point to the facts that Obama was groomed since the 80's.

His schooling and friends. I happen to admire alot of Obama's friends. Then on the other hand, I cringe with their crudeness. I worry that we may all be in for a huge surprise.

I read that people fell that certain ones are not groomed for twenty years or so. What a laugh. From some of the very videos on Camelot you can see that is the case. These people are groomed from birth !!!!!

They are groomed the same as the rest of us except the majority of us are fed the lies through our schooling and the media. Whats the difference? A lie is a lie. Our whole life is a lie here on earth and I for one am not happy with that fact.

Obama is a selfish person. He goes on his 9Billion dollar vacation with his family while others starve and live in the streets. If I had that kind of money I would be sure to spread that around to all that needs it. He only says he will divide the wealth. Until I see him pratice what he preaches, I will call him a fraud. No one person needs to spend or have spent on him that amount of money. They would love to spread and feel better for that.

So I don't care what anyone thinks of me, I for one want to see the CHANGE he promised and not his greed of spending for him and his ! This is the same pratice of all the elite

He knew very well what was going on in this world and he sure doesn't fool me. I firmly believe that he was just as crooked as the rest of them in Chicago. Obama knew what was going on...........I expect no change, he has already shown that to all of us

[Avid]

http://www.rense.com/general84/year.htm

This précis of the year and next years' forecast is interesting...

"Why they switched to Obama, with his radical Marxist background, I'm not really sure. But of one thing I am sure: Obama was bought out several years ago and switched from the radical Marxist camp to the globalist controllers before being allowed to become a US Senator. His sudden transformation from poor community lawyer to wealthy Senator is telling. So is his $9M house on the beach in Hawaii. Where did all his instant wealth come from? His too-good-to-be-true stock/commodity trades and housing deals are telltale signs of insider financial dealings in exchange for unstated commitments and control over his political future."

[cantaloupe]

Interesting link Avid. The article makes points worth checking out, but it degenerates into gay bashing talk about the judgement of God and loses its own thread. Perhaps you could inform Mr. Skousen that the Love he witholds is the pain he carries.
Cheers

[Barron]

All i can say is read Barack H Obama: The Unauthorised Biography by Webster Griffin Tarpley and you will know that he is NOT squeaky clean and is a puppet of the Trialateralists and C.F.R.

I am sorry but that is the truth. Absolute. period. Please do your research.

[Barron]

Hi mntruthseeker.

You are quite correct. Obama has been groomed since the early 1980's. He was recruited by Zbigniew Brzezinski at Columbia University. He is a wholly-owned asset and his career sponsored by the networks of the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberger Group and the Council on Foreign Relations. (His mother was also a consultant working for both the World Bank and the "think-tank" the Ford Foundation.)

And as for another poster in this thread's comments about Obama being ing good hands under Zbigniew Brzezinski, nothing could be further from the truth!
(But that is a whole another subject!)

[alyscat]

Personally, I think the real clue to me about his choice and grooming was his selection to give the major speech at the Democratic convention in 2004. At that point, he was pretty much an unknown, except to the Chicago cabal. This struck me as a fast track way of getting him into the public limelight. My question was, "Why?" Now we know.

alys

[Carol]

I've had a bad feeling about Obama from the onset. Hillary was suppose to be president and he her VP and then the timeline got changed. I see him as an ongoing target for elimination and will be surprised if he survives. I also see Biden stepping in to take his place just as Johnson stepped in and took JFKs place.

Furthermore I know he was not born in the US and given what has gone on in the past 3 elections it is clear to me our nation is already lost to big business and the shadow government.

On one hand are just spectators to all of this drama and on the other we need to step outside of this wacky matrix and focus on the elemental.. establishing ones own food source in ones own backyard.

[Avid]

Originally Posted by Carol

I've had a bad feeling about Obama from the onset. Hillary was suppose to be president and he her VP and then the timeline got changed. I see him as an ongoing target for elimination and will be surprised if he survives. I also see Biden stepping in to take his place just as Johnson stepped in and took JFKs place.

Furthermore I know he was not born in the US and given what has gone on in the past 3 elections it is clear to me our nation is already lost to big business and the shadow government.

On one hand are just spectators to all of this drama and on the other we need to step outside of this wacky matrix and focus on the elemental.. establishing ones own food source in ones own backyard.

I agree - somehow Obama may be 'sacrificed' and there will be some blame - maybe even 'er' Iranian 'terrorists'. Notwithstanding the Xmas message..
We are now watching the fomentation of banking hierarchy war - bluff and double bluff - and the thrashings of the NWO are determined to do their stuff.
The banksters and the 'bailout beneficiaries' have some stupid goal - to divert attention from the robbery of the 'taxpayer' (illegally) to foment a war in the Middle East, they've got Iran going as planned (Gaza). Tried to do it with India and Pakistan - wait and see...
The acceleration of NWO goals is a bit scary, but not insurmountable - lobby your local politician (who you 'elected'), in the UK lobby your MP, and then inundate the governing party with protests as well as alerting all the media at the same time. If there is no response - keep doing it. We can change the world one person at a time! Good luck everyone - all over the world!

[seekntruth]

Jack,

Thanks for posting that exerpt about Obama-nosis. As I was reading through the posts in this forum I began to get the sense that even the more "awakened" people here had been completely mesmerized by that condition. It's the false "believe", "hope" and "change" delusion.

Folks, the truth is... Obama, Bush, Clinton.. they are all related (and I mean that LITERALLY!)... THEY ARE ALL DECENDANTS OF THE SAME TRIBE!

Snap out of it and think critically! This is the SAME group of people who gave us 8 years of Slick Willy (the left side of the globalist agenda). Then they gave us 8 years of the neo-cons (the right side of the globalist agenda). Now it's Obama who represents the left side of the globalist agenda... again! But it's always the SAME GLOBALIST AGENDA!!!

May we all awaken from this delusion soon.

Seekntruth

[K626]

Originally Posted by seekntruth

Jack,

Thanks for posting that exerpt about Obama-nosis. As I was reading through the posts in this forum I began to get the sense that even the more "awakened" people here had been completely mesmerized by that condition. It's the false "believe", "hope" and "change" delusion.

Folks, the truth is... Obama, Bush, Clinton.. they are all related (and I mean that LITERALLY!)... THEY ARE ALL DECENDANTS OF THE SAME TRIBE!

Snap out of it and think critically! This is the SAME group of people who gave us 8 years of Slick Willy (the left side of the globalist agenda). Then they gave us 8 years of the neo-cons (the right side of the globalist agenda). Now it's Obama who represents the left side of the globalist agenda... again! But it's always the SAME GLOBALIST AGENDA!!!

May we all awaken from this delusion soon.

Seekntruth

Thye're not related, that is rubbish. Sorry.

Bush is as much a victim as JFK was.

There is a far darker scenario than conspiracy bound presidents.


Peace.

K.

[PolarBear]

To know what Obama will do you can have a look at the men behind him
The men behind Barack Obama part 1

[mntruthseeker]

Steve

Even if what you say is the truth and Obama just realized he had been had !!!!! I would like to think that he is just playing around to make it look good but then will twist things around to save the human race along with his family

I can't see that as I see him as being selfish. Even if handed to me, I couldn't see me spending a week in Hawaai at the price he just paid. Not when there is so many hardships in the world. People need help and you just don't turn your backs on them. So he was bought as the rest of them. No changes are coming our way except the worst that one can imagine.............Fema camps and mass murders and many souls taken.....

Obama is way too smart of a man to NOT know this. We all heard Rev Wright say on National TV that he knew so many truths that many of the world is just discovering.....so I say, No way he didn't know this. He just thought he was bigger than what was out there, probally a good way of putting it or he is just a big part of it himself.

We can only just imagine he is filling his cabinet with all the throw aways as he is not making the choices ! Does anyone think thats helpfull LOL not me, I won't let myself go there