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[777 The Great Work]

22) Jesus saw infants being suckled. He said to his disciples, "These infants being suckled are like those who enter the kingdom." They said to him, "Shall we then, as children, enter the kingdom?" Jesus said to them , "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness ; then will you enter [the kingdom]." when you start seeing the connection between all things , you will began your journney beyond the polarities.

[Josefine]

Originally Posted by 777 The Great Work

22) COLOR="DarkOrange"]we you start seeing the connection between all things , you will began your journney beyond the polarities.[/COLOR]

There was great trepidation in heaven when they saw that we went into duality. They knew this road would be rocky. Yet we chose it. We are now about to sum it up. It is the distilled experience we are harvesting. We were free to choose, and we are free to choose anew.

The New Universe will be different. It is underway. Time and space will cease to exist, and yet, we will not be bored. This is something that we have been told. Do I understand it? Not really. Totally unfamiliar terrain. Yet change is what we crave when one lesson is learned.

I have a friend who reads the language of reality like you do. I have only been able to learn by osmosis. Maybe the female brain is more geared for seeing how everything IS connected.

[stiros]

Hello everyone.
May I pop in?
Interesting discussion.

777 The Great Work:
...... duality ......

What do you mean by “duality”?
Opposites like bad – good, or dark - light or?

........ The great thinkers who kept these records had no concern for a physical flood wiping out humanity,instead they used physical ideals to conceal the spiritual from the profane. ........

It looks like to me, that there was a “power elite” at that time too, with secrets and a need to control (the slaves).
Not very civilised, if you ask to me.
I prefer openness instead of secrets, so that everyone that wish can develop themselves, and not only the “in crowd”.
All this secrecy in our history has led to today's situation, with “power elite” and all the stupidity around us.

Comments appreciated
Love, Freedom and Truth
stiros

[777 The Great Work]

Originally Posted by Josefine

There was great trepidation in heaven when they saw that we went into duality. They knew this road would be rocky. Yet we chose it. We are now about to sum it up. It is the distilled experience we are harvesting. We were free to choose, and we are free to choose anew.

The New Universe will be different. It is underway. Time and space will cease to exist, and yet, we will not be bored. This is something that we have been told. Do I understand it? Not really. Totally unfamiliar terrain. Yet change is what we crave when one lesson is learned.

I have a friend who reads the language of reality like you do. I have only been able to learn by osmosis. Maybe the female brain is more geared for seeing how everything IS connected.

I guess the one answer is to SURRENDER.

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by 777 The Great Work

I guess the one answer is to SURRENDER.

Yes, in fact. But I see I can't do that without letting go of all symbols and concepts. I never saw their use, and now I learn that symbols and words are to exert actual 'power'. It's really hard to believe.

[777 The Great Work]

Originally Posted by Czymra

Yes, in fact. But I see I can't do that without letting go of all symbols and concepts. I never saw their use, and now I learn that symbols and words are to exert actual 'power'. It's really hard to believe.

A good example of a very powerful symbol would be the cube. The cube represents a state of mind that is blocked on all 6 sides. This is why Neo in the matrix started his journey by emerging from his cubical as the 7th principle of mind ie thinking out side the box of material ignorance. JACK ACE KING = 22 JAK in the box emerging from the center.

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by 777 The Great Work

A good example of a very powerful symbol would be the cube. The cube represents a state of mind that is blocked on all 6 sides. This is why Neo in the matrix started his journey by emerging from his cubical as the 7th principle of mind ie thinking out side the box of material ignorance. JACK ACE KING = 22 JAK in the box emerging from the center.

Alright, but where does that get me? And why would it be powerful?
As you say, it's "representation" not actuality. It could be as much down to interpretation as anything else.

If we are to try to move beyond subjectivity and objectivity, I doubt that symbols will be of any assistance.

[777 The Great Work]

Originally Posted by Czymra

Alright, but where does that get me? And why would it be powerful?
As you say, it's "representation" not actuality. It could be as much down to interpretation as anything else.

If we are to try to move beyond subjectivity and objectivity, I doubt that symbols will be of any assistance.

OK

[Josefine]

Originally Posted by Czymra

If we are to try to move beyond subjectivity and objectivity, I doubt that symbols will be of any assistance.

Symbolism is just another language. The spoken and written language we have today will fade out. It is cumbersome and takes up a lot of brainpower.

The base language of our brain is pictures, symbols. Dyslectics have brains that are partially rebuilt. We are all headed in that direction.

My mate has been born with an ancient language 'ingrained', incorporated into his body. He can, at times kinetically sense it in every part of the body. This old language was originally danced, our whole body expressed it. Children learned it thru dance and music and mudras.

This language predates sarasvatti.
Hebrew is a similar language, probably derived from this older one.

All of our symbols are derived from these ancient languages, and its essence is something we once knew thorougly. We will again.

[stiros]

About symbolism and/or individual knowledge.
I have participated in an alpha-course (religious) and when I asked for example, how God communicated with them, they often said; through quotes from the Bible.
My comment to this is, that “the communication” is in a telepathic way or that thoughts are transferred to them, and then they convert these thoughts to words themselves.
I have not a religious background, so I don't know the Bible by heart, so my knowledge is not the same.
I think, I have a more technical, or a little bit spiritual, way of looking at things.
One day I was meditating, and I guess that I was angry at God, so there slipped away a thought as follows:
....“And God is supporting the wrong team”....
And immediately, I got an answer, very strong, even though my eyes opened.
Exactly, this feeling, never happened before.
It seems to me that everything in the surrounding including myself felt this burst of information.
And the message with my way of comprehension was totally clear:
“God has his laws of physics to follow” (translated).
What I mean is that symbolism is only communicating with the person who is familiar with the symbolism.
Symbolism is only a hidden language, of course with a purpose (power?).
But it is important to know our history.
Comments appreciated.
Love, Freedom and Truth
stiros

[Josefine]

We are multidimensional beings, our DNA is multidimensional.

Our DNA, which is a language in itself, 'reads' symbolic language and 'translates' it.

[stiros]

Originally Posted by Josefine

We are multidimensional beings, our DNA is multidimensional.

Our DNA, which is a language in itself, reads symbolic language and translates it.

I fully agree that we are multidimensional beings.
And DNA seems to have it's own life, so I agree to that also.
And I have read somewhere that for example the alpha, the omega and even the the swastika symbols, are “preferred electron paths” viewed from certain angles of an atom itself, or something like that.
I don't remember which atom, it may have been carbon.
Maybe we are stronger than that, and what we believe - is the truth.
And consequently if many believes a certain thing it is much stronger.
But I can see different approaches to “things”, and they all seem to work, if we believe so.
So, maybe you are right about symbols.

Love, Freedom and Truth
stiros

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by stiros

About symbolism and/or individual knowledge.
I have participated in an alpha-course (religious) and when I asked for example, how God communicated with them, they often said; through quotes from the Bible.
My comment to this is, that “the communication” is in a telepathic way or that thoughts are transferred to them, and then they convert these thoughts to words themselves.
I have not a religious background, so I don't know the Bible by heart, so my knowledge is not the same.
I think, I have a more technical, or a little bit spiritual, way of looking at things.
One day I was meditating, and I guess that I was angry at God, so there slipped away a thought as follows:
....“And God is supporting the wrong team”....
And immediately, I got an answer, very strong, even though my eyes opened.
Exactly, this feeling, never happened before.
It seems to me that everything in the surrounding including myself felt this burst of information.
And the message with my way of comprehension was totally clear:
“God has his laws of physics to follow” (translated).
What I mean is that symbolism is only communicating with the person who is familiar with the symbolism.
Symbolism is only a hidden language, of course with a purpose (power?).
But it is important to know our history.
Comments appreciated.
Love, Freedom and Truth
stiros

Exactly, it's about interpretation and hopefully a correct one. I wonder however why it wouldn't be possible for man to understand those dynamics that form a 'message' itself without interpreting it through any set of symbols (a language), why not learn to tap right into the abstract? Isn't that what meditation and clearing the mind is all about? This seems the most efficient as it is devoid of objects and meaning.

To further illustrate what I mean, and maybe someone with any telepathic notion can correct me on that, but I didn't imagine telepathy to work anything like you 'hear/see' on TV, where there is a voice or a thought that forms thoroughly (that's like a voice). I would think that telepathy, if tuned in properly would be instantaneous 'thereness' (not transmission and thus no language) of knowledge/wisdom/clarity whatever.
Even all these words refer to a transmission not the state of understanding.

As a filmmaker I'd be glad to learn that symbolism isn't just empty 'meaning crafting', but seriously, how could I possibly say that the Y means 'non-duality consciousness' and that only, all the other 'interpretations' are wrong.

As I said, I'd be glad to stand corrected but I have yet to see any convincing argument why it exerts any force at all that can actually be specific to the 'occult' or anything else. I worry not about electromagnetic traces that are given off by drawings etc. I don't doubt that, but the way they influence their surroundings, whether they isolate you from radio beams or whatnot, can not be that universal to suddenly channel a demon or so. I've never experienced anything that couldn't be explained by a good bit of good circulation or paranoia.

[777 The Great Work]

Originally Posted by Czymra

Exactly, it's about interpretation and hopefully a correct one. I wonder however why it wouldn't be possible for man to understand those dynamics that form a 'message' itself without interpreting it through any set of symbols (a language), why not learn to tap right into the abstract? Isn't that what meditation and clearing the mind is all about? This seems the most efficient as it is devoid of objects and meaning.

To further illustrate what I mean, and maybe someone with any telepathic notion can correct me on that, but I didn't imagine telepathy to work anything like you 'hear/see' on TV, where there is a voice or a thought that forms thoroughly (that's like a voice). I would think that telepathy, if tuned in properly would be instantaneous 'thereness' (not transmission and thus no language) of knowledge/wisdom/clarity whatever.
Even all these words refer to a transmission not the state of understanding.

As a filmmaker I'd be glad to learn that symbolism isn't just empty 'meaning crafting', but seriously, how could I possibly say that the Y means 'non-duality consciousness' and that only, all the other 'interpretations' are wrong.

As I said, I'd be glad to stand corrected but I have yet to see any convincing argument why it exerts any force at all that can actually be specific to the 'occult' or anything else. I worry not about electromagnetic traces that are given off by drawings etc. I don't doubt that, but the way they influence their surroundings, whether they isolate you from radio beams or whatnot, can not be that universal to suddenly channel a demon or so. I've never experienced anything that couldn't be explained by a good bit of good circulation or paranoia.

what i was trying to convey is that the english alphabet is a divine structure within itself. if we look closely with surrender we can see the femi nine and mascu line qualities in the words and letters. This language is based on the hebrew and greek. for example ,Eve=evolve event, evening,evil,even . male and female = k x w m H Words are the double edge S word

The swatika is FFFF or 6666 the list goes on

Words are disappearing because the symbol trancends all spoken language. The deepest wisdom has been passed down through symbol.

[Josefine]

Originally Posted by 777 The Great Work

what i was trying to convey is that the english alphabet is a divine structure within itself. if we look closely with surrender we can see the femi nine and mascu line qualities in the words and letters. This language is based on the hebrew and greek. for example ,Eve=evolve event, evening,evil,even . male and female = k x w m H Words are the double edge S word
.

I am familiar with the work that Shakespeare (=Francis Bacon, a freemason) did on the English language, along the lines you mention.

I have read Oasphe, a tome of a book published in the 1880s, which also deals with languages and symbols extensively. It claims that it will become clear to us in our time how all the languages of the world are related to each other. I do not have the book handy at the moment, but will later. There are a couple of simple and usfull insights there on symbols and language.

[777 The Great Work]

Originally Posted by Josefine

I am familiar with the work that Shakespeare (=Francis Bacon, a freemason) did on the English language, along the lines you mention.

I have read Oasphe, a tome of a book published in the 1880s, which also deals with languages and symbols extensively. It claims that it will become clear to us in our time how all the languages of the world are related to each other. I do not have the book handy at the moment, but will later. There are a couple of simple and usfull insights there on symbols and language.

Is this book stiil available? I am a collector of rare and out of print antiques.I guess i can check kessinger publishing.

[Josefine]

Sorry, can't help you there as this one was purchased many years ago.

Good luck.

[777 The Great Work]

Originally Posted by Josefine

Sorry, can't help you there as this one was purchased many years ago.

Good luck.

I found the free ebook , thank you so much i'm excited. 1300 pages this will keep me busy. I recomend anything by Sir Godfrey Higgins, Fulcanelli and Gerald massey just to name a few.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/7800715/OAHSPE

[stiros]

Originally Posted by 777 The Great Work

what i was trying to convey is that the english alphabet is a divine structure within itself. if we look closely with surrender we can see the femi nine and mascu line qualities in the words and letters. This language is based on the hebrew and greek. for example ,Eve=evolve event, evening,evil,even . male and female = k x w m H Words are the double edge S word

The swatika is FFFF or 6666 the list goes on

Words are disappearing because the symbol trancends all spoken language. The deepest wisdom has been passed down through symbol.

OK, I confess, that I have a “negative bias” against everything that is freemasonry and alike, for example symbols.
But in fact the power elite has infiltrated the freemasonry and stolen the organisation so they have probably stolen all their symbols too. So the reaction from my part was improper.
It's like God, people kill in God's name, but in fact it is the people which are doing the killing, not God.
But God is in a way blamed for it.
I understand the mechanisms of different paradigms too, that is what I believe anyhow.
I have often wondered ,why the English language has such a beautiful word as “present”, which means “now” and at the same time “gift”, and I think this is deep and beautiful.
For me this is divine.
But then we have a lot of words, that I dislike, it sounds as a language made by “control freaks”.
For example: treasure as in “pirate's treasure” and “treasure department” or information as “in formation (two words)”, even the double meaning of intelligence, and so on, typical “master race” expressions.
I understand your point, it's what I believe anyhow.
So in an earlier “paradigm”, the symbols where very important, and we have inherent parts of this symbolism.

Love, Freedom and Truth
stiros

[777 The Great Work]

Originally Posted by stiros

OK, I confess, that I have a “negative bias” against everything that is freemasonry and alike, for example symbols.
But in fact the power elite has infiltrated the freemasonry and stolen the organisation so they have probably stolen all their symbols too. So the reaction from my part was improper.
It's like God, people kill in God's name, but in fact it is the people which are doing the killing, not God.
But God is in a way blamed for it.
I understand the mechanisms of different paradigms too, that is what I believe anyhow.
I have often wondered ,why the English language has such a beautiful word as “present”, which means “now” and at the same time “gift”, and I think this is deep and beautiful.
For me this is divine.
But then we have a lot of words, that I dislike, it sounds as a language made by “control freaks”.
For example: treasure as in “pirate's treasure” and “treasure department” or information as “in formation (two words)”, even the double meaning of intelligence, and so on, typical “master race” expressions.
I understand your point, it's what I believe anyhow.
So in an earlier “paradigm”, the symbols where very important, and we have inherent parts of this symbolism.

Love, Freedom and Truth
stiros

I agree, the labeling of info and people and ideas is what has stunted our growth. The so called free masons own nothing. i feel we should seek truth if it comes from a mule. I finally realize that is the light and not the bringer of the light. Theses ideas and symbols belong to humanity and we have been kept in the dark concerning their energy and meaning.

Sir Francis bacon formatted the English language based on the esoteric ideas of the hebrew kabalah.All the words that are used to scare us are truly divine beneath the surface.If i knew that Y2k meant duality, i wouldn't have taken my duality ie 401k and bought food for three years. Those three letters had a majority of the masses going nuts.

Its is the simple things that we ignore that have such an impact on the human physche. For example i live in Phoenix Az and there are houses setting one or two doors down that are exactly the same. This alone is a perfect example of humanity being given everything without having to think and be creative. There is a concentrated effort on this globe to supress creativity. The really great artist are told they have no talent and the talented singers are never heard in the public arena. Just like Prometheus stole fire from the gods, we have to steal these secrets and express our creativity beyond the babylonian state of mind.

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by 777 The Great Work

Its is the simple things that we ignore that have such an impact on the human physche. For example i live in Phoenix Az and there are houses setting one or two doors down that are exactly the same. This alone is a perfect example of humanity being given everything without having to think and be creative. There is a concentrated effort on this globe to supress creativity. The really great artist are told they have no talent and the talented singers are never heard in the public arena. Just like Prometheus stole fire from the gods, we have to steal these secrets and express our creativity beyond the babylonian state of mind.

Well spoken. Still, is it not wiser to look for what unites rather than what is powerful?

[Josefine]

Originally Posted by Czymra

Well spoken. Still, is it not wiser to look for what unites rather than what is powerful?

We have a heritage, roots. We cannot tear them up without being disconnected.
We may perceive how we are connected, to what stories and for what purpose, and then, when understood, we may reconnect and choose again.

We went into duality, by choice, we went into onesided duality, with one half, the female wisdom aspect, buried, by choice. We did this in order to experience, simply.

Now we know.

We see where we are by reading signs everywhere:

MOUNT-EVE-REST is one example. We have chosen to remind ourselves and each other by leaving little notes here and there.

[777 The Great Work]

Originally Posted by Czymra

Well spoken. Still, is it not wiser to look for what unites rather than what is powerful?

I agree with you, i was saying that no two trees are alike and that we should embrace our differences and not put them aside.It is our differences that shows our unlimited potential.it is the way that nature expresses herself through variety and multiplicity.

Regardless of the symbols are language, they are both useless without the conciousness. I feel there is nothing wrong with power as long as it is navigated with ethics.

[Czymra]

I'm afraid that ethics are what may stand in our way in this 'battle'.
If not, then we need to go through a process of clearing the real ethics from the BS, and it better be quick.

But thanks for pointing out yet again, that duality is unity, that difference is oneness. I really should remember by now.

[stiros]

Originally Posted by 777 The Great Work

.........Its is the simple things that we ignore that have such an impact on the human physche. For example i live in Phoenix Az and there are houses setting one or two doors down that are exactly the same. This alone is a perfect example of humanity being given everything without having to think and be creative. There is a concentrated effort on this globe to supress creativity. The really great artist are told they have no talent and the talented singers are never heard in the public arena. Just like Prometheus stole fire from the gods, we have to steal these secrets and express our creativity beyond the babylonian state of mind.

I agree, that there is no place for creativity, and this is valid in the school system as well.
For example, I know a very talented young person, he plays the piano like a god, and everybody knows it, but he has always had “not approved” in his music certificate.
Just recently he got “approved at lowest level”.

Love, Freedom and Truth
stiros