Primary care doctors struggling to survive

Originally Posted by Sol Invictus

Holy absolute ####!

Putting off physicals and mammos because of being a luxury......



Just......

You know it is rough when you have to let one of the children go come time
to cut costs.

In America under the HMO system, they have already placed a monetary value on human life. It is your insurance that made this judgement.
Soylent Green cannot be far behind.

[Sol Invictus]

Soylent Green.

That movie gave me the creeps. People laughed at me for saying 'you know, thats going to come true one day because they need us as slaves'.

[Anchor]

Big pharma doesnt want solo or independant doctors. They will all be squeezed till thier pips come out.

This is quite sad for now, but hopefully will precipitate a tipping point that forces people to discover "real" health care and the truth behind modern medicine.

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[Dantheman62]

The funny thing about it is the whole insurance thing here in America is a scam, for example when I had kidney stones( OUCH! ) the urologist I went to asked if I had insurance, and I said no, so he said he'll discount everything since I'm paying cash and he'll give me the pain meds out of his sample packs that he gets from his drug co. reps. So about $4,000 dollars later I was fine, but I thought if I just paid around 4 grand for everything than what would he have charged the insurance company if I did have insurance? probably twice as much!=scam!

[Sol Invictus]

$ 4000 ????????????????????????????????????????????

For kidney stones??????????????????????????????


THATS A FECKING RIP OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A quick ultra sound blast to fragment them and they pass through as small little grains... job done in eight minutes tops!

[Dantheman62]

Nope, ultrasound to find the stone,then x-rays to pinpoint it and determine size, then a thing called Lithotripsy(spelling?) to crush the stone up,which they put you out cold for, then tests and drugs and check ups, and lions and tigers and bears, oh my!

[Sol Invictus]

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

Nope, ultrasound to find the stone,then x-rays to pinpoint it and determine size, then a thing called Lithotripsy(spelling?) to crush the stone up,which they put you out cold for, then tests and drugs and check ups, and lions and tigers and bears, oh my!

................ thats not Kidney stones, thats kidney mountains!

[Dantheman62]

HaHaHa, I wasn't even going to go to the doctor but I got real tired of leaning over my bed, feeling like somebody was stabbing me in the left side of my back and twisting the knife, the funny thing is that the pain would leave about every 15 minutes, for about 15 minutes, so everytime that happened I would eat or drink or smoke or do whatever I had to do knowing that I had about 15 minutes before it came on again! phew I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy, hmmm, well maybe

[Humble Janitor]

No love for the U.S Healthcare System here. It's one of the greatest frauds ever perpetuated upon Americans. I do not feel sorry for doctors. Some of them are clearly only in the business to make money. They should be blaming the insurance industry, which profits off of YOUR pain and suffering.

I still have medical bills that I haven't paid and again, the insurance industry is made up of crooks. All you do is spend money for them to insure you and when you get sick and really need the money, where are they? They're sending you constant bills, harassing you over the phone and charging you interest on YOUR medical bills once they pass them over to collection agencies.

Again, no love lost. Boo ****ing hoo.

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

No love for the U.S Healthcare System here. It's one of the greatest frauds ever perpetuated upon Americans. I do not feel sorry for doctors. Some of them are clearly only in the business to make money. They should be blaming the insurance industry, which profits off of YOUR pain and suffering.

I still have medical bills that I haven't paid and again, the insurance industry is made up of crooks. All you do is spend money for them to insure you and when you get sick and really need the money, where are they? They're sending you constant bills, harassing you over the phone and charging you interest on YOUR medical bills once they pass them over to collection agencies.

Again, no love lost. Boo ****ing hoo.

The medical community wears their share of it. But so do you. During the eighties west texas obstreticians
were forced out of business by the high cost of malpractice insurance. This caused women to drive as far as four hours to be seen.

Here in Washington State lack of access to care has caused a backlash response. Much of the primary care
is handled by nurse practitioners and physicians assistants. Everyone and his dog are allowed to write a prescription. Trust me when I say that there is
a difference. The other than physician provider groups
have a much wider variation in quality than physcians.
Let me just say that they require close watching for
wierdness even though most are very good.

Of course there is always socialized medicine. I work in the prototype of the socialized health care system. Services are free if you don't count your time. You may wait 3-6 months for an appointment and the standard wait time for my services is 2-4 hours. They drive up to eight hours to come see me and then bitch about the wait. Never mind that my pharmacy fills 5,000 prescriptions a day. Never mind that the fool doing the bitching drove two hours and waited three to pick up a bottle of enteric coated aspirin for free that cost him 18 dollars in gasoline. Most of the **** I throw out the door
is unnecessary because the average american can't cope with life unless they are medicated into a stupor. But they get upset if they wait six months and walk out with a pat on the head and a word of encouragement. They don't feel treated unless they walk out with a fist full of prescriptions, and they're not shy about voicing their opinion about it.

Heal thyself pilgrim!

Where my wife comes from they don't have insurance and they don't go to doctors. One fellow she knows fell face down in his garden with a heart attack. Got up went in the house and sucked it up. He's still with us btw and never did see a doc about it. That was over three years ago.

Root hog or die!