The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider

suterlaben · 12-09-2008, 02:26 AM

No, I haven't really tried to find those. I believe that H_H stated that both the 1999 and 2003 discourses had been removed because they were causing too much controversy within the communities that they were given too. I can understand that. Much the same happened in 2005 and in this recent case as well. H_H also said that the information in these cases were flawed at times because those who were giving it were not in possession of the "bigger picture." He said it wouldn't be right to direct us there now, since more accurate and up-to-date information is available. Again, makes sense to me.

What I find interesting is how in every instance these messengers appear, speak in a very specific fashion (which is very similar in each case and suggests that they operate from a unified philosophy), then they leave. If this were a hoax, you'd think that someone would have admitted it by now. Also, it's been occurring periodically within the "conspiracy" community for almost 10 years now. That's some serious dedication, if these are merely hoaxes.

For those who have not seen it, here is a link to the collated topic from ATS, the discourse given by the one who called himself Hidden_Hand:

http://home.comcast.net/~readingnews/Hidden_Hand.html

I hope something like this occurs again soon. And like you Koyaanisqatsi, I was not put off by this information. Instead, I feel somewhat enlightened.

I wonder if more people within this community will catch on to these "revelations," perhaps enough just didn't see it. It is sensitive, though. I have a feeling that as further events unfold in the next few years, more and more people will begin to give a fairer assessment of the information given by Insider and Hidden_Hand, as well as whoever may follow them.

Time will tell.

Koyaanisqatsi · 12-09-2008, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by suterlaben

I hope something like this occurs again soon.

i hope so too. a question i would like to ask is what their thoughts are on the Handbook for the New Paradigm series.

and

suterlaben

robyn · 12-09-2008, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Koyaanisqatsi

i hope so too. a question i would like to ask is what their thoughts are on the Handbook for the New Paradigm series.

My thoughts on it are mixed. I've read the 1st and 2nd but don't want to read any more as it scares the **** outta me. That gives me pause so I don't return. GG's attitude rather puts me off. He seems entirely too cheerful about the chaos and horror comming in the future from his purportedly safe South America location.

It's all too strange for me...

Koyaanisqatsi · 12-09-2008, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by robyn

GG's attitude rather puts me off. He seems entirely too cheerful about the chaos and horror comming in the future from his purportedly safe South America location.

gg's affect does not sit well with some. he stated that when people hear him speak and then read the books they will know he did not write them. i agree.

Insider, Hidden_Hand, and the Handbooks bespeak of personal responsibility and discontinuing our victim mentality. i found that encouraging.

12-09-2008, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by robyn

My thoughts on it are mixed. I've read the 1st and 2nd but don't want to read any more as it scares the **** outta me. That gives me pause so I don't return. GG's attitude rather puts me off. He seems entirely too cheerful about the chaos and horror comming in the future from his purportedly safe South America location.

It's all too strange for me...

i agree..!! you know.. i thought i had it all figured out.. well atleast a glimpse of the 'bigger picture' ..but now.. i too am very confused...

=(

robyn · 12-09-2008, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by IronWoman

i agree..!! you know.. i thought i had it all figured out.. well atleast a glimpse of the 'bigger picture' ..but now.. i too am very confused...=(

Ah well...no way to figgure it all out. Or even just a little.

Perhaps all we can do is realize that and spend time in contemplation / meditation and then putting our understanding into whatever thoughts and actions seems right.

We read such materials as the Urantia Book, the Kolbrin, A Course in Miracles, the Christian / Jewish holy books, the Bagavad Gita, the Eightfold Path, the writings of WingMaker James, the wisdom of the Maya and 2012, the Law of One by Ra, the Abraham Hicks books, HiddenHand, Insider...

There are some teachings that agree in all of them. But the one pervading consistancy is that in their fundamental frame of reference, they disagree.

Like some of the PC interviewees; "Nibiru is comming.", "Nibiru is not comming.", "There will be a war with Iran.", "There will not be a war with Iran." etc....

Perhaps that's by design? If you read H_H or Insider, they seem to imply that it's by design. The joke's on us.

It's all good. That doesn't mean I'm going to read any more of GG or listen to Bill Deagle. They both seem to be very sincere and believe deeply in what they're saying but it doesn't seem to do anything for me. If it works well as impetus for others, good. Go for it.

So, we find something that resonates with us and stick to it. Turn off the tv and find the truth within and follow it as far as it takes us.

Anyway, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it, she said as she blissfully sipped her coffee ...

Jacqui D · 12-13-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by IronWoman

i agree..!! you know.. i thought i had it all figured out.. well atleast a glimpse of the 'bigger picture' ..but now.. i too am very confused...

=(

Hi Iron woman, you never know the whole picture believe me i've been looking into this stuff for years now each time i think i have it, then Bam! something comes along and throws all the learned knowledge back in my face and i find myself researching again!
I have always said take a piece, read, consider if doesn't feel right leave it truth will always out in the end.

robyn · 12-13-2008, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacqui D

Does anyone here, who has read BOTH Insider and H_H, think that perhaps the Pleiadians/Andromedans/benevolent ET sources are knowingly giving us false info in regards to the seriousness of the threat of reptilians, Orions, other malevolent ET's, so that we may use it as a catalyst to better ourselves? Are they playing the opposite side of the field by exaggerating genuine occurances to at least nudge us in the right direction? H_H states that the Lucifer Soul Group and the Pleiadians are "friends," so maybe the benevolent ET groups are simply just respecting the laws of free will and confusion by not telling their Earth contacts who is really in control?

Welcome to the club of those who have read just about "everything" by just about "everyone" and found they all disagree with each other. Of 5 or 6 Pleiadians groups we may hear from, they each have different stories. If they can't get their stories synchronized, why expect everyone else to?

Maybe it's part of the plan? I dunno, but it's rather frustrating so I don't bother reading much of that sort of material any more.

If I were to ask of them a question, I would like to get a straight and truthful answer and not one that conflicts with 50 other peoples' answers to the same question.

I came to the conclusion that since much info and many predictions are off the mark in many cases, it's not all that helpful. For myself at least.

Blossom Goodchild's informants come to mind in a BIG way.

However, in general, it seems the immediate future will continue to degrade. Perhaps our best response is to maintain a clear and positive connection with our higher self and the divine as well as with others.

And to stock up with whatever provisions we can. Things can change quickly and we may have to leave our supplies and go. What then? That's why working on ourselves and that connection may well serve us better than guns and freeze dried food.

I know not what else to do.

robyn · 12-09-2008, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by suterlaben

I hope something like this occurs again soon. And like you Koyaanisqatsi, I was not put off by this information. Instead, I feel somewhat enlightened.

I wonder if more people within this community will catch on to these "revelations," perhaps enough just didn't see it. It is sensitive, though. I have a feeling that as further events unfold in the next few years, more and more people will begin to give a fairer assessment of the information given by Insider and Hidden_Hand, as well as whoever may follow them.

Time will tell.

These are 2 of the most interesting docs I have read in a very long time. I've been away from the forum for awhile, life interevened and much has changed. So, it's great to be back and see something as facinating as these.

They do not put me off either but cause me to ponder deeply.

Many of us at this and other forums know that what we see in this world is not real, so we go looking for the truth. So, it has always been. There is much distraction and much to mislead. We go off again in another direction. These havn't changed either.

So, what these 2 write about is compelling and brings me back to inner inquiry.

I don't think they are the same person. Altho much of what they say is close, the tone is dissimilar. Another thing that comes to mind most immediately is they disagree about who and what Yahweh is. Also, Insider seems to discount the 2012 "Harvest" event and never even touches on the Ra material as does H_H. Insider, unlike his family, eats food he grows from his greenhouse and H_H lives underground with his family.

Insider is much more somber and distant, H_H becomes warmer in tone after a time, indicating that he has become fond of some of the questioners. They don't have the same spelling errors either

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Both, however, emphasize strongly that each individual is entirely responsible for their life and it's outcome no matter the levels of control that are present that we experience. H_H says calls it catalyst and Insider calls everyting we encounter a tool.

The interview with James of the Wingmakers presents an entirely different world view. I haven't finished it so won't comment further. But, so far it's interesting. The breathing exercise he gives is an old Yogic practice that actually works quite well. I have forgotten to use it for years now. Imagine that

Well, much to ponder.

Does anyone find this a wake up call, so to speak?

12-09-2008, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by suterlaben

For those who have not seen it, here is a link to the collated topic from ATS, the discourse given by the one who called himself Hidden_Hand:

http://home.comcast.net/~readingnews/Hidden_Hand.html

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Suterlaben, thanks for providing the link to the complete Hidden_Hand discourse. He gives such a clear look into the big picture but from his perspective as a Luciferian. Notheless, there are many universal truths he spoke about and even went further. If one is open minded enough and this truths resonate within, you will grasp and understand alot of it. ..... I think this link and subject matter should rightly belong in the Spirituality thread!.. The best read i have had in a long time!

robyn · 12-09-2008, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebula

Suterlaben, thanks for providing the link to the complete Hidden_Hand discourse. He gives such a clear look into the big picture but from his perspective as a Luciferian.

His perspective as a Luciferian seems to be quite different that the one most of us understand. Do you suppose there are several types of Luciferians?

What I have usually thought of when I hear about Luciferians is, among other things, people participating in blood rites. Perhaps these are the lower levels H_H mentions that are presented with and follow the negative teachings.

From his entirely different frame of reference, as part of the group soul of Lucifer, as he describes it, there is no comparison.

12-09-2008, 05:46 PM

Robyn,

I suppose this is good example of how our understanding and perspective is so limited and narrow! So we humas have been led to believe luciferians are pure evil beings out to control our energy, feed and appeal on our negative aspect!

I agree, we humans, don't have the bigger picture on what is happening around us and the the higher dimensions! I'm glad Hidden_Hand opened my eyes towards the bigger picture, and yet we have more to learn. They the luciferians are playing their role, (even though evil or negative) within earth or other 3rd dimensional realities to serve the greater good.

Koyaanisqatsi · 12-09-2008, 06:33 PM

here is the previous thread regarding this subject. it predates me, apologies for the repost.

thanks Jacqui for helping me find it

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...+speaks&page=1

robyn · 12-09-2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebula

Robyn,

I suppose this is good example of how our understanding and perspective is so limited and narrow! So we humas have been led to believe luciferians are pure evil beings out to control our energy, feed and appeal on our negative aspect!

I agree, we humans, don't have the bigger picture on what is happening around us and the the higher dimensions! I'm glad Hidden_Hand opened my eyes towards the bigger picture, and yet we have more to learn. They the luciferians are playing their role, (even though evil or negative) within earth or other 3rd dimensional realities to serve the greater good.

Yes, so it seems. We must be an exceedingly primitive race with a correspondingly limited understanding. No wonder we act as we do.

I was and still am pondering what H_H said. More so than Insider, but still taking much of what he said into consideration, esp the quote above.

One of the things that H_H said that is worth considering is that between physical lives we all get together with each other and our guides and teachers and talk about the "game" and how well each of us played our parts, both positive and negative. It reminds me of some books I have read on just that subject.

I have the book under the bed or somewhere

and will get it out later. The author is a doctor that became interested in this area when his patients began describing life between lives. He hypnotised quite a few to try and get a better picture and found the feedback to be fairly consistant.

Also, some people become very negative and require seperation and counseling. Others are too upset by events that happened to them - such as war - and require something similar to help remove the negative energy they carried with them.

Some party, so to speak, as they are long time friends, and then simply plan the next lifetime and one will agree to play the bad guy and provide the catalyst or tool for a "soul-group mate" to help that one learn to respond in a positive way rather than negative.

Emman · 12-09-2008, 07:41 PM

This insider blog was posted on this forum earlier I recall. Perhaps just a few months ago. I did not care for some of the answers he gave at the time. I walked away from it. I re-read it again in its entirety. This time I have pause to ponder his answers.

I find that much of what this insider is saying is congruent with what James said in his latest written interview about the Wingmakers. The insider said that the Earth is a prison and worse. This is nearly exactly what James has described also. We are in a prison that we have no idea how far reaching it is. Indeed, it is worse than we have thought. James said that the prison extends even beyond our physical death. That concept is a big whammy is it not? There is no escape until we realize solely through and only through our own selves that the salvation and release from this prison is entirely up to ourselves individually. That is the main message and knowledge that this insider and James has passed on to us.

What's unsettling about what James and this insider says is that what we think is true is really not. In fact, it may be the total opposite. We have our comfort zones where we feel we have a handle on things. We believe that certain things in history are correct. We are finding out now that perhaps everything we were ever taught to know is a complete fabrication and lie. Members of this forum and people that follow Project Camelot are perhaps better prepared to handle revelations that shake the foundations of our reality. But, as we go deeper into the rabbit hole, it is nonetheless unsettling to confront that even as much as we may be ahead of the curve relative to the general populace in terms of insight beyond the mainstream, we still must grapple with knowledge that will shake most of us to the core. Not that long ago I prayed that the truth of our world and existence be revealed. I see that the saying of being careful what you wish for because it may come true is indeed at work. My paradigms are being stretched lately. It's good. As I ponder the words of James and this insider I try to remain in an emotionally neutral position. It does take an effort and a choice to be neutral and not be reactive. I think it's fair to say that there are more things in store for us that will be revealed and it probably will not be knowledge we want to hear. It will go against the grain of our beliefs and shake up our comfort zones. I want to eventually gain freedom. Bring it on.

suterlaben · 12-10-2008, 03:46 AM

I'm happy to see this topic expanding to some people who hadn't read the materials before.

I read the Insider material again, and I feel like there are definitely some errors in there. Hidden_Hand stated that he estimated it was about 60% correct because Insider did not have the full picture, as he is from a minority group
(by Insider's own admission) within the Family. I thought that was fascinating. I wonder how these minority groups form? Perhaps from inter-family differences? I have a lot of questions to ask these people. I am choosing to give them the benefit of the doubt and believe their stories. But that's only because it resonates, and I am aware that anything could be disinformation. Take it all with a grain of salt, as they say. Although maybe I'm taking this with a slightly larger grain of salt.

But I've been "working on myself" to use H_H's terminology. You can't really go wrong there.

A question to think about. H_H notes that the Power Lines of the Family are not "surface dwellers." Most have taken this to mean that they live underground. But is it also possible they have their own craft orbiting the planet? They must be incredibly advanced and have access to the best technology. Maybe its a combination of the two? The "surface" exists between the atmosphere and the underground. I just wonder if maybe some UFO sightings (probably very few relative to all that are seen) are the Family monitoring us. Just wondering if anyone has any ideas about that.

As a side note, I am hoping to keep this thread at the top of the discussion boards. I really think this is something important that was over the heads of a lot of people who should have taken notice.

But, I will always admit, I could be wrong.

Cheers

^they need an emoticon with a nice mug of beer instead of coffee.

suterlaben · 12-10-2008, 03:51 AM

I'm just gonna add that H_H stated that while the Orion Group and some Reptilians are present around Earth at this time, they "are of no particular threat" to us. I wonder if that means MOST sightings of UFO's are human (either Power Lines Family, Earth-based Illuminati Family, or government craft). I definitely think some are extraterrestrial in origin, but I'm starting to believe that more than we think are coming from our own species' hidden power structure.

What do you guys think?

I have more thoughts on H_H's take on ET's (in comparison to some PC interviewees and people like Alex Collier) but I'm going to save them for later because I have to go.

Keep the chatter going.

isotelesis · 12-10-2008, 06:35 AM

Interesting material, could have some truth, seems to confirm parts of this article:

http://www.geocities.com/aryannews/news000016.htm

lightbeing · 12-10-2008, 10:35 PM

Hello guys,

I am glad that the information posted by hidden_hand on ATS is again a topic here of discussion.

For those who are interested in an older thread regarding H_H, here is the link:

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=6155

Keep posting your thoughts!

Namaste

lightbeing

robyn · 12-11-2008, 02:15 AM

I found this q/a particularly interesting and helpful. This does not sound like a raging, hate filled, demonic monster -- if HH is indeed who s/he says s/he is. (Seems like a masculine tone to me so I'll say he). It's interesting, ok, rather mind blowing, that he might well be.

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I have probably found this quote below the single most insightful thing so far. It helps me to understand the answers to some of the questions I've asked:

"Do you respond to Negativity with more Negativity? Has fighting fire with fire ever worked for you? Or do you choose to see the Negativity as the tool that it is, and recognize that it is offering you an opportunity? I will honour your Free Will to think and discover for yourself what that opportunity is."

>>I am glad. It is the probably the singlemost important thing that I have shared.
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Unfortunately, its connotations also alleviate the 'NWO' of most accusations.

>>That depends upon your perspective. Does it alleviate the Negativity we have perpetuated? No. Does it alleviate the pain and suffering we have caused, and are causing upon the planet? No.
Does it alleviate that we are closing our End Game scenario, and soon to openly come out and offer publically to "save" the failing political and financial institutions with our esteemed Leadership? No.
Does that mean that you should give into and feed the Negativity? No.
Does it alleviate that we will have to spend a Cycle in Karmic restitution, to balance this lifetime of overt Negativity? No.

Does it mean that you should use the Negativity as the tool that it is, to show you that which you are not? Yes.

Remember, always, that this is a beautiful Game that we are playing here and co-creating together, with our Infinite Creator. And that "off stage" (between lives) we are the very best of friends, and that no one really "dies" and no one really "suffers", except in the Game. The Game is not Reality. Reality is Reality, and you have the Power to Express your Reality within the Game, once you have learnt how to do so.

This one resonates also:

An extremely basic concept but one I'd so far managed to overlook. Unfortunately, for those of us who love our Earthly existence (or rather, the potential it has), it's rather difficult to come to terms with a concept whereby suffering and slavery are as natural as love and happiness and that only after this Earthly existence can we ever be free.

>>I understand. Our job is to provide the Catalyst. Your's is to use it. Can you look beyond what your eyes are showing you, to find and express Love and Happiness in a world of Fear and Distress? If you can, you will be as a Beacon of Light into the Darkness. Will you succumb to the Darkness, or will you stand and shine your Divine Inner Light? Only you can make that decision for yourself.

Think about this: If the One Infinite Creator, is Infinite, and has created everything that Is (which It is, and It has), then does the Infinite Creator not reside within all things?

When you can see the Divine spark of the Infinite Creator, even within those who would mean you harm, the strong grip of the illusion will begin to lose it's power over you.

"Love your 'enemies', and pray for those who persecute you".
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It's also interesting that he uses "It" rather than "He" or "She" for the Infinite Creator, thus depersonalizing It and making the point that It isn't a person.

Oops, gotta go, back later...

Forty-two · 12-11-2008, 06:04 AM

In 1995 at the Solar Heart Conference, Drunvelo told the audience that
we (humanity) were all part of the Lucifer Rebellion. So maybe HH is just one of us...riding the bus...

I find its all fitting together - once you get over everything you know is wrong - the GG books, the James interview and HH all have a number of points in common.
Check out the Discourses on Lyricus...some variation with HH by James ie we are not "going home" we are all outward bound (for infinity, as near as I can figure) once we slip these earth-bonds.

Ashatav · 12-12-2008, 01:01 PM

Totally luciferian the insider haha

suterlaben · 12-13-2008, 10:14 AM

I want to just say that if anyone looks at this and reads the "Insider" material then they should also read the "Hidden Hand" material afterwards in order to make a fair judgment.

Both links are contained within the thread, but I'd personally recommend reading Insider first and H_H second, as I think it will make more sense that way.

A question for those who have read both:

H_H acknowledges the presence of the Orion Group as well as reptilian species here on Earth at this time, although he states that they are "of no particular threat." This seems directly in conflict with the claims of various contactees (i.e. Alex Collier, George Green, etc.) whose ET contacts have informed them that these groups are very much a threat (particularly in Collier's case, not so much GG, but others too). Insider said something to the effect of we "have more power than (we) think."

Another point that H_H makes multiple times is that people cannot be given information unless they request it...i.e. Law of Confusion and Law of Free Will. He states that we always have a right NOT to know, and to remain in ignorance. I've been trying to put some of this together...so moving on to my question.

Does anyone here, who has read BOTH Insider and H_H, think that perhaps the Pleiadians/Andromedans/benevolent ET sources are knowingly giving us false info in regards to the seriousness of the threat of reptilians, Orions, other malevolent ET's, so that we may use it as a catalyst to better ourselves? Are they playing the opposite side of the field by exaggerating genuine occurances to at least nudge us in the right direction? H_H states that the Lucifer Soul Group and the Pleiadians are "friends," so maybe the benevolent ET groups are simply just respecting the laws of free will and confusion by not telling their Earth contacts who is really in control?

Note that H_H says that there are "others" who are willing to take the place of the Lucifer Soul Group and the Illuminati Families after the Harvest (2012) occurs and they all move to 4th Density Negative. I've heard other whistle blowers, contactees, etc. state that the Earth is basically under the control, by contract, of malevolent ET groups (Sirius, Orian, Draconians, etc.). And Collier says that he was told that in a few years time the Draconians will return to take control of Earth. So are they going to become the "Hidden Hands" of power for those who remain in 3rd Density after the Harvest (the "lukewarms" as H_H calls them)? This is getting way into the realm of speculation...again another reason why I hope another member of the "Family" presents the opportunity for discourse again soon, so we can clear this up.

Or maybe it's just a hoax and we're being misled? Maybe we're all just a bunch of loonies?

The plot thickens!

larissarissa · 12-13-2008, 01:14 PM

I popped by for a quick visit and was happy to see H_H discussed again. I also agree that GG and the Handbook seem to be two different entities. I can't relate to his dire predictions, I have yet to see one of these doom and gloom predictions pan out, whoever they're made by.

As for H_H and Insider, I was blown away by both, although H_H was the better of the two, as was pointed out. I think that just by reading these manuscripts, something was transferred on an energetic level, if one was open to it, and I seemed to be way open because I felt like something was changed, I can't explain it, but I get the feeling some people who read these "revelations" had the same reaction I did.

One can speculate ad infinitum, but it doesn't affect the gut reaction. I am happy to find others to discuss this issue with. I tried to introduce it on the DC forum, but they wouldn't allow it because of it's so called negativity. I found the information to be uplifting and very positive.

robyn · 12-13-2008, 05:55 PM

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As for H_H and Insider, I was blown away by both, although H_H was the better of the two, as was pointed out. I think that just by reading these manuscripts, something was transferred on an energetic level, if one was open to it, and I seemed to be way open because I felt like something was changed, I can't explain it, but I get the feeling some people who read these "revelations" had the same reaction I did.

Interesting, I had a similar experience as well and I keep returning to the material. I found it to be more positive than negative altho I still question some of the things that HH said. Insider had a bit of an attitude that put me off in some ways so I haven't re-read it yet. Peasants, indeed!

I also have had the experience that reading the material changed my attitude and outlook in some ways that was very positive. I move between not caring too much what will happen in our near future in the "Game" or "Play" and being very concerned and I now feel more balanced about what is to come. Which is my goal anyway.

How this be seen as negative or dark?

"Our job is to provide the Catalyst. Your's is to use it. Can you look beyond what your eyes are showing you, to find and express Love and Happiness in a world of Fear and Distress? If you can, you will be as a Beacon of Light into the Darkness. Will you succumb to the Darkness, or will you stand and shine your Divine Inner Light? Only you can make that decision for yourself.

Think about this: If the One Infinite Creator, is Infinite, and has created everything that Is (which It is, and It has), then does the Infinite Creator not reside within all things?

When you can see the Divine spark of the Infinite Creator, even within those who would mean you harm, the strong grip of the illusion will begin to lose it's power over you.

"Love your 'enemies', and pray for those who persecute you".

If we get nothing else out of the discourse, this little bit would probably be enough.

The HH discourse more or less sums up the Law of One series in everyday English and without all the distractions of unrelated material that is in the books.

12-09-2008, 02:26 AM	#1
suterlaben Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 5	Re: The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider No, I haven't really tried to find those. I believe that H_H stated that both the 1999 and 2003 discourses had been removed because they were causing too much controversy within the communities that they were given too. I can understand that. Much the same happened in 2005 and in this recent case as well. H_H also said that the information in these cases were flawed at times because those who were giving it were not in possession of the "bigger picture." He said it wouldn't be right to direct us there now, since more accurate and up-to-date information is available. Again, makes sense to me. What I find interesting is how in every instance these messengers appear, speak in a very specific fashion (which is very similar in each case and suggests that they operate from a unified philosophy), then they leave. If this were a hoax, you'd think that someone would have admitted it by now. Also, it's been occurring periodically within the "conspiracy" community for almost 10 years now. That's some serious dedication, if these are merely hoaxes. For those who have not seen it, here is a link to the collated topic from ATS, the discourse given by the one who called himself Hidden_Hand: http://home.comcast.net/~readingnews/Hidden_Hand.html I hope something like this occurs again soon. And like you Koyaanisqatsi, I was not put off by this information. Instead, I feel somewhat enlightened. I wonder if more people within this community will catch on to these "revelations," perhaps enough just didn't see it. It is sensitive, though. I have a feeling that as further events unfold in the next few years, more and more people will begin to give a fairer assessment of the information given by Insider and Hidden_Hand, as well as whoever may follow them. Time will tell.

12-09-2008, 05:46 PM	#12
Nebula Guest Posts: n/a	Re: The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider Robyn, I suppose this is good example of how our understanding and perspective is so limited and narrow! So we humas have been led to believe luciferians are pure evil beings out to control our energy, feed and appeal on our negative aspect! I agree, we humans, don't have the bigger picture on what is happening around us and the the higher dimensions! I'm glad Hidden_Hand opened my eyes towards the bigger picture, and yet we have more to learn. They the luciferians are playing their role, (even though evil or negative) within earth or other 3rd dimensional realities to serve the greater good.

12-09-2008, 06:33 PM	#13
Koyaanisqatsi Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: lake pontchartrain Posts: 125	Re: The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider here is the previous thread regarding this subject. it predates me, apologies for the repost. thanks Jacqui for helping me find it http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...+speaks&page=1

12-09-2008, 07:41 PM	#15
Emman Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 37	Re: The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider This insider blog was posted on this forum earlier I recall. Perhaps just a few months ago. I did not care for some of the answers he gave at the time. I walked away from it. I re-read it again in its entirety. This time I have pause to ponder his answers. I find that much of what this insider is saying is congruent with what James said in his latest written interview about the Wingmakers. The insider said that the Earth is a prison and worse. This is nearly exactly what James has described also. We are in a prison that we have no idea how far reaching it is. Indeed, it is worse than we have thought. James said that the prison extends even beyond our physical death. That concept is a big whammy is it not? There is no escape until we realize solely through and only through our own selves that the salvation and release from this prison is entirely up to ourselves individually. That is the main message and knowledge that this insider and James has passed on to us. What's unsettling about what James and this insider says is that what we think is true is really not. In fact, it may be the total opposite. We have our comfort zones where we feel we have a handle on things. We believe that certain things in history are correct. We are finding out now that perhaps everything we were ever taught to know is a complete fabrication and lie. Members of this forum and people that follow Project Camelot are perhaps better prepared to handle revelations that shake the foundations of our reality. But, as we go deeper into the rabbit hole, it is nonetheless unsettling to confront that even as much as we may be ahead of the curve relative to the general populace in terms of insight beyond the mainstream, we still must grapple with knowledge that will shake most of us to the core. Not that long ago I prayed that the truth of our world and existence be revealed. I see that the saying of being careful what you wish for because it may come true is indeed at work. My paradigms are being stretched lately. It's good. As I ponder the words of James and this insider I try to remain in an emotionally neutral position. It does take an effort and a choice to be neutral and not be reactive. I think it's fair to say that there are more things in store for us that will be revealed and it probably will not be knowledge we want to hear. It will go against the grain of our beliefs and shake up our comfort zones. I want to eventually gain freedom. Bring it on.

12-10-2008, 03:46 AM	#16
suterlaben Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 5	Re: The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider I'm happy to see this topic expanding to some people who hadn't read the materials before. I read the Insider material again, and I feel like there are definitely some errors in there. Hidden_Hand stated that he estimated it was about 60% correct because Insider did not have the full picture, as he is from a minority group (by Insider's own admission) within the Family. I thought that was fascinating. I wonder how these minority groups form? Perhaps from inter-family differences? I have a lot of questions to ask these people. I am choosing to give them the benefit of the doubt and believe their stories. But that's only because it resonates, and I am aware that anything could be disinformation. Take it all with a grain of salt, as they say. Although maybe I'm taking this with a slightly larger grain of salt. But I've been "working on myself" to use H_H's terminology. You can't really go wrong there. A question to think about. H_H notes that the Power Lines of the Family are not "surface dwellers." Most have taken this to mean that they live underground. But is it also possible they have their own craft orbiting the planet? They must be incredibly advanced and have access to the best technology. Maybe its a combination of the two? The "surface" exists between the atmosphere and the underground. I just wonder if maybe some UFO sightings (probably very few relative to all that are seen) are the Family monitoring us. Just wondering if anyone has any ideas about that. As a side note, I am hoping to keep this thread at the top of the discussion boards. I really think this is something important that was over the heads of a lot of people who should have taken notice. But, I will always admit, I could be wrong. Cheers ^they need an emoticon with a nice mug of beer instead of coffee.

12-10-2008, 03:51 AM	#17
suterlaben Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 5	Re: The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider I'm just gonna add that H_H stated that while the Orion Group and some Reptilians are present around Earth at this time, they "are of no particular threat" to us. I wonder if that means MOST sightings of UFO's are human (either Power Lines Family, Earth-based Illuminati Family, or government craft). I definitely think some are extraterrestrial in origin, but I'm starting to believe that more than we think are coming from our own species' hidden power structure. What do you guys think? I have more thoughts on H_H's take on ET's (in comparison to some PC interviewees and people like Alex Collier) but I'm going to save them for later because I have to go. Keep the chatter going.

12-10-2008, 06:35 AM	#18
isotelesis Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 112	Re: The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider Interesting material, could have some truth, seems to confirm parts of this article: http://www.geocities.com/aryannews/news000016.htm Last edited by isotelesis; 12-10-2008 at 07:19 AM.

12-10-2008, 10:35 PM	#19
lightbeing Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: earth Posts: 1,463	Re: The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider Hello guys, I am glad that the information posted by hidden_hand on ATS is again a topic here of discussion. For those who are interested in an older thread regarding H_H, here is the link: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=6155 Keep posting your thoughts! Namaste lightbeing

12-11-2008, 02:15 AM	#20
robyn Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Rim of the World, California Posts: 58	Re: The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider I found this q/a particularly interesting and helpful. This does not sound like a raging, hate filled, demonic monster -- if HH is indeed who s/he says s/he is. (Seems like a masculine tone to me so I'll say he). It's interesting, ok, rather mind blowing, that he might well be. _____________________________________ I have probably found this quote below the single most insightful thing so far. It helps me to understand the answers to some of the questions I've asked: "Do you respond to Negativity with more Negativity? Has fighting fire with fire ever worked for you? Or do you choose to see the Negativity as the tool that it is, and recognize that it is offering you an opportunity? I will honour your Free Will to think and discover for yourself what that opportunity is." >>I am glad. It is the probably the singlemost important thing that I have shared. _____________________________________ Unfortunately, its connotations also alleviate the 'NWO' of most accusations. >>That depends upon your perspective. Does it alleviate the Negativity we have perpetuated? No. Does it alleviate the pain and suffering we have caused, and are causing upon the planet? No. Does it alleviate that we are closing our End Game scenario, and soon to openly come out and offer publically to "save" the failing political and financial institutions with our esteemed Leadership? No. Does that mean that you should give into and feed the Negativity? No. Does it alleviate that we will have to spend a Cycle in Karmic restitution, to balance this lifetime of overt Negativity? No. Does it mean that you should use the Negativity as the tool that it is, to show you that which you are not? Yes. Remember, always, that this is a beautiful Game that we are playing here and co-creating together, with our Infinite Creator. And that "off stage" (between lives) we are the very best of friends, and that no one really "dies" and no one really "suffers", except in the Game. The Game is not Reality. Reality is Reality, and you have the Power to Express your Reality within the Game, once you have learnt how to do so. This one resonates also: An extremely basic concept but one I'd so far managed to overlook. Unfortunately, for those of us who love our Earthly existence (or rather, the potential it has), it's rather difficult to come to terms with a concept whereby suffering and slavery are as natural as love and happiness and that only after this Earthly existence can we ever be free. >>I understand. Our job is to provide the Catalyst. Your's is to use it. Can you look beyond what your eyes are showing you, to find and express Love and Happiness in a world of Fear and Distress? If you can, you will be as a Beacon of Light into the Darkness. Will you succumb to the Darkness, or will you stand and shine your Divine Inner Light? Only you can make that decision for yourself. Think about this: If the One Infinite Creator, is Infinite, and has created everything that Is (which It is, and It has), then does the Infinite Creator not reside within all things? When you can see the Divine spark of the Infinite Creator, even within those who would mean you harm, the strong grip of the illusion will begin to lose it's power over you. "Love your 'enemies', and pray for those who persecute you". ______________________________________ It's also interesting that he uses "It" rather than "He" or "She" for the Infinite Creator, thus depersonalizing It and making the point that It isn't a person. Oops, gotta go, back later...

12-11-2008, 06:04 AM	#21
Forty-two Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 4	Re: The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider In 1995 at the Solar Heart Conference, Drunvelo told the audience that we (humanity) were all part of the Lucifer Rebellion. So maybe HH is just one of us...riding the bus... I find its all fitting together - once you get over everything you know is wrong - the GG books, the James interview and HH all have a number of points in common. Check out the Discourses on Lyricus...some variation with HH by James ie we are not "going home" we are all outward bound (for infinity, as near as I can figure) once we slip these earth-bonds.

12-12-2008, 01:01 PM	#22
Ashatav Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 603	Re: The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider Totally luciferian the insider haha

12-13-2008, 10:14 AM	#23
suterlaben Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 5	Re: The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider I want to just say that if anyone looks at this and reads the "Insider" material then they should also read the "Hidden Hand" material afterwards in order to make a fair judgment. Both links are contained within the thread, but I'd personally recommend reading Insider first and H_H second, as I think it will make more sense that way. A question for those who have read both: H_H acknowledges the presence of the Orion Group as well as reptilian species here on Earth at this time, although he states that they are "of no particular threat." This seems directly in conflict with the claims of various contactees (i.e. Alex Collier, George Green, etc.) whose ET contacts have informed them that these groups are very much a threat (particularly in Collier's case, not so much GG, but others too). Insider said something to the effect of we "have more power than (we) think." Another point that H_H makes multiple times is that people cannot be given information unless they request it...i.e. Law of Confusion and Law of Free Will. He states that we always have a right NOT to know, and to remain in ignorance. I've been trying to put some of this together...so moving on to my question. Does anyone here, who has read BOTH Insider and H_H, think that perhaps the Pleiadians/Andromedans/benevolent ET sources are knowingly giving us false info in regards to the seriousness of the threat of reptilians, Orions, other malevolent ET's, so that we may use it as a catalyst to better ourselves? Are they playing the opposite side of the field by exaggerating genuine occurances to at least nudge us in the right direction? H_H states that the Lucifer Soul Group and the Pleiadians are "friends," so maybe the benevolent ET groups are simply just respecting the laws of free will and confusion by not telling their Earth contacts who is really in control? Note that H_H says that there are "others" who are willing to take the place of the Lucifer Soul Group and the Illuminati Families after the Harvest (2012) occurs and they all move to 4th Density Negative. I've heard other whistle blowers, contactees, etc. state that the Earth is basically under the control, by contract, of malevolent ET groups (Sirius, Orian, Draconians, etc.). And Collier says that he was told that in a few years time the Draconians will return to take control of Earth. So are they going to become the "Hidden Hands" of power for those who remain in 3rd Density after the Harvest (the "lukewarms" as H_H calls them)? This is getting way into the realm of speculation...again another reason why I hope another member of the "Family" presents the opportunity for discourse again soon, so we can clear this up. Or maybe it's just a hoax and we're being misled? Maybe we're all just a bunch of loonies? The plot thickens!

12-13-2008, 01:14 PM	#24
larissarissa Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: S. Korea Posts: 27	Re: The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider I popped by for a quick visit and was happy to see H_H discussed again. I also agree that GG and the Handbook seem to be two different entities. I can't relate to his dire predictions, I have yet to see one of these doom and gloom predictions pan out, whoever they're made by. As for H_H and Insider, I was blown away by both, although H_H was the better of the two, as was pointed out. I think that just by reading these manuscripts, something was transferred on an energetic level, if one was open to it, and I seemed to be way open because I felt like something was changed, I can't explain it, but I get the feeling some people who read these "revelations" had the same reaction I did. One can speculate ad infinitum, but it doesn't affect the gut reaction. I am happy to find others to discuss this issue with. I tried to introduce it on the DC forum, but they wouldn't allow it because of it's so called negativity. I found the information to be uplifting and very positive.