Is Bible True? Why Should I Believe The Bible Is True?

[Zelphael]

Originally Posted by Kelphi

Ruby,

That is exactly the very "spirit" that is so diligently at work on this planet.

All religions outside of Christianity says the exact same thing.

Even the ET's with their endless ramblings communicate the same thing you just posted.

Find that odd at all? Truth is very narrow, mind you.

With Love,

Kelphi

Kelphi, I fear you will disregard anything I have to say but since I for too long was in your position and see my former self in you, I must speak up.

I repeatedly find myself wondering if you are a troll parading around as a caricature of a Midwestern housewife, or if you are actually real. I know all too well that what you are spouting is carbon-copy, cookie-cutter American evangelicism in all of it's glorious lack of logic and historical understanding.

Your assertions that the bible does not contradict itself (false, to those who have studied it thoroughly) and that it has stood the tests of man time and time again (false, even a young child can see inconsistancies when shown) and that "500 people saw Jesus rise" (false, where are you getting this information? There is NO historical evidence outside early Christian writers/propagandists, except a few TINY lines in secular historians which have been easily shown to be fraudulent Christian redactions to purpetrate the historical Jesus lie).

Honestly, Kelphi, I really feel sad for you because you are mentally and spiritually enslaved to a false entity, instead of blossoming in your own spirit and your own path. No one is telling you to believe the ETs - but you already have ideas formulated about them, that they are demonic entities on a mission from Satan. You don't know know KNOW this to be true. You believe it. And you cannot see the difference.

I suggest you read up on early Christian history, with your defences DOWN. You just may find the truth you so eagerly claim to already hold.

[Stabris8]

Here is a reply by me in an earlier thread such as this here at Avalon...


http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...9041#post19041

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by Zelphael

Kelphi, I fear you will disregard anything I have to say but since I for too long was in your position and see my former self in you, I must speak up.

I repeatedly find myself wondering if you are a troll parading around as a caricature of a Midwestern housewife, or if you are actually real. I know all too well that what you are spouting is carbon-copy, cookie-cutter American evangelicism in all of it's glorious lack of logic and historical understanding.

Your assertions that the bible does not contradict itself (false, to those who have studied it thoroughly) and that it has stood the tests of man time and time again (false, even a young child can see inconsistancies when shown) and that "500 people saw Jesus rise" (false, where are you getting this information? There is NO historical evidence outside early Christian writers/propagandists, except a few TINY lines in secular historians which have been easily shown to be fraudulent Christian redactions to purpetrate the historical Jesus lie).

Honestly, Kelphi, I really feel sad for you because you are mentally and spiritually enslaved to a false entity, instead of blossoming in your own spirit and your own path. No one is telling you to believe the ETs - but you already have ideas formulated about them, that they are demonic entities on a mission from Satan. You don't know know KNOW this to be true. You believe it. And you cannot see the difference.

I suggest you read up on early Christian history, with your defences DOWN. You just may find the truth you so eagerly claim to already hold.

Thank you very much, indeed. Appreciate your clarification from a unique and important perspective.

[RubyTuesday]

I would not call Kelphi a troll. Like all of us, Kelphi is on her own path and it's not really for us to judge. As an observation, I do wonder why start these threads. Afterall, if you find your "truth" you'd be satisfied with that, no? You'd have peace. You would not feel the need to convince everyone else that your way is the only way? I see threads like this from the perspective that perhaps the OP, in giving herself the opportunity to defend the Bible, is perhaps doing so to "prove" something to herself? Is not what you question in others a reflection of your own insecurities?

[futureyes]

what resonates with me is that jesus was a voice, a messenger of truth, his message being we should all seek and live by our own truth

a humbled man he was, the message he spoke was clear, simple

what we have done with that basic message over time, that simplicity of truth, is we have tweaked it to serve our own egos, pulling, stretching and manipulating something so pure and simple for our own self-serving desires

this basic truth since it was spoken we believe has caused so much pain, chaos and slaughter in this world, but really, basic truth did no such thing ... we have, our egos have, we can take ownership for that

back to basics, plain and simple, find our own truth, live it

read and hear all we can, keep what resonates, release what doesn't

when we find our truth we find it to be no more or no less than anothers, we find our individual truth to be the same as another, we can only come to know this from within ourselves, our inner voice

we'll figure it out ... back to basics

[Zelphael]

http://truth-saves.com

A colourful, well designed site with good information.

[mntruthseeker]

Kelphi

Please never say I want nothing to do with Jesus Christ....that is way off the target

What I said is that I do not believe in sin. I do not believe in the stories of the bible. Moses nor Noah's

I do believe that Jesus suffered for humanity and he wanted us to see what our capabilities were and are. He saw what was happening and didn't like. To say I don't want anything to do with him is way off course. Sorry that I came across that way to anyone.

Ghandi, Dahli, Maharashi and Mother Theresa and so so many wonderful people also did or are doing the same.

[KassandraLoves]

The Bible started out as an ABSOLUTELY AMAZING collection of stories. Its no so much that anymore. People have changed it to their will and recommendations throughout time. Kings have even burned it and rewritten it. Its been tarnished in the pursuit of power and control by history's mean 'n nasties.

I always say, the Bible is THE LONGEST GAME OF TELEPHONE youve ever seen.

However, you can still extract some gems from it. you just need to be careful. Anything that is created to make you scared needs to be SCRUTINIZED under light. Anything that gives "god" human qualities such as ANGER and VENGEANCE (which doesnt really make sense now does it?) also needs to be METICULOUSLY reconsidered...

in fact, The entire world is up to your interpretation. So that advice goes for EVERYTHING.

But I KNOW, because history has told me so, that people have indeed tampered with what was once a very positive and righteous book of stories.

The bible WAS good...but now, can definitely be questioned thanks to the darkness that has seeped into it.

[KassandraLoves]

Also, have you heard Nassim Haremein's bible interpretations?

AMAZING to say the least....

[Wormhole]

Yes, let's keep LOVE in the paradigm of any thread. With that I lovingly must state that the bible, in my opinion, is not an objective standard of truth.

Peace of Mind,
Wormhole

[Ashatav]

I don't have a formed opinion about the bible but think on this:


All the sources that have done us doubt and have diferent perspectives about the book in occident are Teosophic, that's mean, the new age, and the root is Luciferianism.

So, we haven't a straight opinion about it, all the doubts comes from luciferianism who is Terribly partial against it and All of us have a opinion influenced by that in some way.

All the sources that says the bible isn't historical and Jehoshua'ha messaiah didn't exist are Teosophists, and None of the teosophic sources are profesional, are all Amateur. Because is Proven that the book Is historic and Jehoshua'ha messaiah exist.

Am sorry, but that's the way it is. There are dozens of writers in the early times, both christians and enemies of christianity that confirm the figure of Jehoshua.

Read "Who's playing jesus games?" a book from Jonathan Grey, there he compiles the cientific evidence about it; its just overwhelming. Versus the amateur teosophists who's sources are omitions, semitruths, inventions, and phrases out of context and that's just the way it is.

Before investigate the subjet propely and investigated the New Age and the other part, the wingmakers/urantia movement (the 2 sides of the hegelianish creation of the new world order religion) Im actually believes in that, but the evidence against those movements are just to much so I Had to change my view.

In fact, a lot of people changes into actual christianity when they investigates the creation of the new age movement, what's is behind the "ascended masters", the cases of contactism and the truth about luciferianism who are a deceive-by-desing religion, and so on.

To think about.

Cheers

I think its important to look at parts of the bible that have been hidden. For example, who are the Elohim? Was Elijah taken up in a spaceship ("Fiery chariot")? Who were the giants in Noah's time?. It seems theres a lot of evidence of Extra Terrestrials (ETs) in the bible, but this is never taught in churches? Clearly, the powers that be are supressing many aspects of our true heritage & creation. Its amazing so many people on this forum have overcome this conditionng & are open the the truth about Ets.

Also, many people who have met Ets tell us that the ETs told them to love their fellow man & love the Earth as a way to solve our problems. Interestingly, love is a central theme in the New Testament.

[Swanny]

Thx for caring Ashatav but as Historycircus says it's more believable that the stories in the bible.
But good luck to you following in what you believe

[Ashatav]

Originally Posted by Swanny

Thx for caring Ashatav but as Historycircus says it's more believable that the stories in the bible.
But good luck to you following in what you believe

Yeah, your welcome mate, but

I really didn't know about the reality of the histories in the bible (old testament, the new testament is Really historic says the scholars, at least the non-miracle parts, haha, all the data is backed up),that histories sounds really odd, fantastic and strange.

But what Did know because a lot of investigations is that the luciferians "powers" behind the new age scam and teosophy are who are behind the modern discredit of the bible.

So is now common to us think that book is just inventions of a fertile ancient mind because of them.

I repeat it, I don't know if the bible is true or not, but the thing is that the luciferians are behind the discredit.

Cheers!

[dagon]

this is what I think of the bible. and teachings alike.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp0DAwy0-xM



I'm still down with planet x. get past that part. and listen up. for those who don't know Sitchins work. there is plenty of evidence all around the world that supports what he is reporting. read his books.. and you will se the light. I'm sure it go's a lot deeper than his writings. I support this before the bible. I look to the ancient record. and think for myself with a open mind.

[SamWhiteHopi]

It is MO that the bible is made up of truths, half truths and lies. It is not the word of the Creator, the Great Spirit, the Original Source of all Life. It is the work of some of his spirit creations, whether they be his original sons and daughters, or later beings from the sons and daughters [Great, great grand kiddies, grand children, whatever], who are also, IMO, our creators. Though my loyalty is with the Great Spirit.

The bible holds truths that we can gleam from today in order to understand what the dark powers to be are doing to mankind or have planned. The bible’s prophecies are accurate and thus a large part of humankind believe it is the very word of the Almighty God. People believe that only God would know the future. It has been a very clever deception. The wayward sons of God know man’s future because they planned it out, so it’s no trouble writing prophecies within its pages as ‘proof’ that it must come from the Almighty God. These creatures are timeless and can manipulate a species like humans because we live for such a short time so history is easily forgotten, and we do not possess the knowledge and intelligence of our Creators. We are infants in their eyes and for the dark ones we are disposable.

So, yeah, the bible is truth. Just a case of remembering that it is the truth presented by those who control mankind. [I also believe some of the writing had been written by the good sons, but over time the bad sons removed inconvenient details and rewrote what they needed to keep us stupid] All this has not been the easiest for me to accept, as I believed that the bible was the word of God from the age of eight. I am now forty and only found out the truth, as I have found it, some eight or so months ago. So my entire believe system has been turned upside down . But what do I do? Pretend it is still what I thought it was, or face reality?

The name Jehovah was apparently the name of one of the very ancient interdimensional beings. A good guy I gather, but has been used by the darker sons to name the God they created in the bible. There is quite a lot of info about the name Jehovah and its links with dragons and so forth. I found it all very enlightening, though rather confusing. But that is what our enslavers want; for us to remain confused.

Christ was real, but has been misrepresented in order to manipulate the populous and discredit what he came here for. Again, personal study for those interested. I am not expanding on what I know here as I found out by myself and it is far too complex a situation and issue. But the information can be found for those truly wanting to know the truth. He apparently goes by the name Lord Sanandra. No second coming like the one people envision today. Why should there be. After all, when Christ first came his life was under constant danger. Most didn’t want to listen to what he said, and when they heard his sermons few put it into action. They wanted to be lead. They missed his message that we are our own leaders, with brains given us by the Original Source, the Great Spirit. The Native Americans listened to his message some thousands of years ago. That is why they were living as they were before the ‘invaders’ brought their version of Christianity and destroyed their culture and those of other natives world wide. Natives speak of a pale faced bearded man who walked among them teaching for some time, who was from the Great Spirit who helped them bring peace among themselves and how to live by the laws of nature.

My history? I have always believe in the Great Spirit. I had no family influence my beliefs for the first nine years of my life. Always drawn to traditional natives world wide, particularly the Native Americans and those in my own back yard, Australia’s Aboriginals. Came in contact with bible one RE lesson when eight years old and the opening words of “In the beginning God created….” Which fitted perfectly with what I had always felt, so I believed the bible would enlighten me one day. It did. Just not the way I had expected to some months ago!!

I was a non practicing Roman Catholic forced to attend Catholic Schools. Just before I left school I became a Buddhist for several months, but found the religion like all religions to be contaminated and nothing like their original foundations.

Then I got involved with Jehovah’s Witnesses in 1989 as they, like me, didn’t celebrate Christmas or birthdays and were politically neutral and believed Christ to be the son of God, but not God himself. They were the only ones that came close to enabling me to understand the bible’s prophecies. Unfortunately, I was to find out they weren’t as politically neutral as I had been lead to believe [or I would not have become a member]. I was excommunicated in 2000, but still held onto most of the teachings until I learnt what I did this year. I lived and breathed the bible for nearly 20 years and believed in it for thirty as the word of the Almighty God.

Now I know why it has brought about so much blood shed. It is authored by those that enslave us and in the wrong hands is a very powerful and murderous tool. I should know, I just escaped with my own life after the Elders tried to use scriptures within its pages to bring me in submission. Confess to lies that would have cost me my sanity and my life. The suicide rate in the JW is very high all because the truth is kept from them by use of twisted scriptures skillfully manipulated by the few.

Today I follow the beleif system of traditional natives. Like I had before coming in contact with the bible so many years ago. It has been a very painful journey but one having me conclude that the Bible and religions =/= spirituality.

I'll also second George Callier's take on religion: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

Love&peace,
Sam
Slowly picking up the pieces.

"The Power of One is the Courage to Remain Separate, to Think through to the Truth and Not to be Beguiled by Convention or the Plausible Arguments of those who Expect to Maintain Power, Whatever the Cost." - Bryce Courtenay

[Rozzy]

Is the Bible real and true?

When we ask this question we must decide according to who.

The misrepresentations of the text and the exploitation of the text is as common as sand in a desert. When we do our homework we find a bunch of skullduggery at the bottom of all the major reigions.

The first thing we have to do is narrow the field down because there are so many Bible versions out there and they differ significantly. The Oldest Bible period is the Septuagint, it was translated from MSS dating back to three hundred B.C. The Hebrew Massoretic text was not completed until about the tenth century A.D. by the Talmudists so is not what you may think of as a very old original Hebrew document.
The 1611KJV is thought by many to be the very best and it is a good translation but you must understand the Old Testament is from the Massoretic, the New Testament is from the Textus Receptus and the Apocrypha is from the Septuagint. So here is what I would do if I wanted to put the very best together, I would use the Septuagint which covers the Old Testament and the KJV New testament that will give you the Genuine and best text there is period. One thing that would surprise most westerners is that the Septuagint has fifty four books compared to the thirty nine you are used to. These extras are the books called Apocrypha in the KJV, the KJV gets these from the Septuagint and are translated from it.

The Bible is not some historical text that gives us the full history of the infinite, it gives us the history of our time, our aeon because that is where we are and what we need to know now. Whether or not you believe it is totally up to you.

Rozzy