Kerry Cassidy' Last Post

J_rod7 · 11-22-2008, 01:55 AM

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Kerry Cassidy has made a bold and Definitive Statement as to the FREEDOM of Ideas. I certainly agree fully to what she has expressed.

How else COULD there be an open exchange of Ideas. And this Statement Kerry made applies to All of us, not just to the Moderators.

In Peace

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Karen · 11-22-2008, 02:10 AM

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...4660#post84660

Kerry Cassidy wrote:

Old Today, 02:31 PM #1
Kerry Cassidy
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Default My view on the forum, mod behavior etc.
My Views on the Forum

I have a strong dislike of authority and especially of those in authoritarian type roles who try to dictate to others, behavior or thought. One would think that those coming on to the forum share this value. However, with Moderators something else seems to be operating.

From my pov I get triggered when people act like police or prison guards and try to shut people in or out. It is abhorent to me that I would be involved in such an enterprise regardless of the high ideals people feel they are operating from. I do understand from the perspective of some, shutting out troublemakers is the best way to create a 'safe place' for people to share their views. I am suspicious of this activity from the out set.. regardless of the reasoning. I am a rebel at heart, always have been and always will be. So I identify with those who set themselves apart, rebel and question authority IN ALL ITS FORMS regardless of the rationalization for it.

I am not unaware that some degree of maintenance of "order" must take place for human SOCIETY to operate. I did graduate work in SOCIOLOGY (the study of groups and how they operate in society and the relation of the individual to society)..in fact I was writing a Master's thesis on this issue when I decided to quit graduate school because it was unnecessary (getting straight A's at that by the way..)

However, because my position on this is not merely emotional but backed by years of study of rebellion in all its forms and societal structures -- I find myself in a quandary when dealing with the Mods because at root my philosophy is apparently far different. I come from the pov that it is not the individual that is "sick" but the society and the structures they have built that makes the individual appear that way. Most of psychoanalysis and other therapies are all about adjusting and modifying the individual to conform to society and their rules rather than looking for ways to change society to incorporate the "radical types".

Radicalism is at root a MESSAGE FOR CHANGE THAT IS NEEDED... and therefore when I see a troublemaker I see a person with a different pov that may have a message and should therefore be heard. And here is where the FORUM and its Mods and I diverge.

I do not find "socially acceptable" behavior to be the optimum... I see it as preferable but NOT MANDATORY. I see, as you know, the message and the need to include the radicals as more important than the need to have their behavior conform. It's a matter of priority.

It is also about granting FREEDOM in all cases. In my view, if you allow a troublemaker, others Freedom is not curtailed, on the contrary, they can react as well as the next person... It is their choice whether to be triggered or not. Therefore in FORUM DIALOG troublemakers, with rare exceptions which are those with true devious intent such as selling drugs, pornography, paid agents and the like... are there as a part of the structure, stating their views where people can be challenged and disagree quite easily. The thing about forums is one person posts after another and therefore there is no real FACE TO FACE contact or FORCEFUL coercion to reply unless one wants to get into the "fray"...

I am aware that people are followers often and easily swayed by the posts of troublemakers but that is again their choice. It's quite a fair structure inherently and one that, without the intervention of Mods, in my view, will sort itself out if given a chance. When you ACT AS POLICE and kick people out you only exercise your own authoritarian beliefs and consider it justified. When in reality, you have not given the other people there the opportunity to grow their own muscles (mentally/emotionally) of discernment and let them handle it. They are all children in a school yard. They are there to learn. We all learn from the good as well as the bad.

So, I am simply against forcing people out regardless with the exception of the obvious infractions (drugs, porn) and I think we can all agree what those are. People who criticize Camelot and Avalon are certainly not guilty of those "infractions".... I consider even destructively oriented criticism to be allowable. I know many do not share this view.

I don't actually agree with the view about... a few bad apples spoiling it for others... I think we all have it well within our grasp to grab the podium and turn things in a positive direction. A forum post allows for this opportunity. I suggest that be the recourse rather than handing out points and infractions behind the scenes like secret police or school yard spies.

This being as it is, I do not find it desirable or attractive when people want to lessen people's chance to speak their minds regardless of who they THINK THEY ARE PROTECTING. I understand the impulse but I think it is misplaced as a way of loving... indeed it is very destructive in nature because it assumes that:

1. People can't protect themselves.

2. It doesn't allow people the "beingness" to develop their own modes of protection or discernment.

3. It creates a false sense of shelter where in reality there is none.

This gets to how I see the internet vs. a store or party in everyday life. The net is special because IT IS OPEN. That is quite possibly THE ONLY REASON IT IS SPECIAL. If you destroy that you destroy everything. Every Freedom, every choice we have. It is a mirror of our UNIVERSAL MIND and as such we must ALLOW as much freedom in the way we operate as humanly possible.

Yes by instituting a subscription based forum to help pay for our work--we are imposing certain limits.. ($1 a month -- I mean get real..) but they are reasonable and the barrier to ENTRY IS EXTREMELY LOW. I want to KEEP IT THAT WAY.

To be posted on to the forum in Announcements and in Mod area.

In peace,

Love,

Kerry

Kerry Lynn Cassidy and Bill Ryan
Project Camelot/Project Avalon
'dare to speak'
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11-22-2008, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Karen

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...4660#post84660

Kerry Cassidy wrote: My view on the forum, mod behavior etc.
My Views on the Forum

I have a strong dislike of authority and especially of those in authoritarian type roles who try to dictate to others, behavior or thought. One would think that those coming on to the forum share this value. However, with Moderators something else seems to be operating. {snipped}

Yeah, we know, thus the point of the thread.

11-22-2008, 02:52 AM

"Just bringing you back to the top"

Karen · 11-22-2008, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by historycircus

Yeah, we know, thus the point of the thread.

See #2 post sarcasm: "Thanks for the link."

There is no link. I was just trying to help the ones that don't know where it is or what it said. And they don't even have to leave this page to read the post. I thought I was being nice.

Orion11 · 11-22-2008, 03:30 AM

it was nice
thanks.

11-22-2008, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Karen

See #2 post sarcasm: "Thanks for the link."

There is no link. I was just trying to help the ones that don't know where it is or what it said. And they don't even have to leave this page to read the post. I thought I was being nice.

Sorry Karen - my words can be venemous, and poorly directed.

Hypnotize · 11-22-2008, 03:35 AM

Originally Posted by Hypnotize View Post
this isn't really relevent but i think...MOD EDIT: You are correct! It is NOT relevent and more importantly it is off topic to the thread.
Please refrain for going Off Topic to the thread. Look...I am TRYING to be nice and accommodating here. Please people do not push it.
I KNOW Sarah Palin can be funny to many people but this is not the time and place for it!

Thanks!

don't let all that mod power go to your head now. MOD WARNING: Please do not re-edit once a mod has already did.
For one I do not look at having Mod Power. I have Mod Abilities.

That is ALL.

Two: Your post IS Off Topic and that is against forum rules/guidlines.
I have been more then fair here. Anymore re-edits or direspect in this thread to a mod or to Michael St Clair will result in me using my other 'abilities'.
Which are infractions! LAST WARNING! Thank YOU!

Private messages from Anchor

Anchor
Hi Guys (Hypnotize and Steven)

Independent moderator reviewing situation here.

With respect to this post:

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...0&postcount=23

Here is the edit history
N/A Stephen 11-12-2008 02:10 PM
N/A Stephen 11-12-2008 02:05 PM
Original Post Hypnotize 11-12-2008 01:45 PM

It is evident that Hypnotize did not re-edit his post.

Over to you Stephen

A..

Hypnotize
It seems that stevin responded by deleting my and your posts and locking the thread under the basis that we will not listen to "reason". I'm not quite sure what he means by that but thought I'd let you know. It seems to me that stevin is trying to avoid this problem and his mistake.
I dont really want to change anything now. I am sorry all this happened. Stephen appears to have resigned. This makes me sad.

Anchor
I dont really want to change anything now. I am sorry all this happened. Stephen appears to have resigned. This makes me sad.

Maybe I should not have posted in the forum and done it all by personal mail; but I wanted it publically clear that you were not at fault.

I dont think I need to say it to you, but please don't post ANY Private Mail on this. I strongly feel that discretion is the better part of valour.

I have faith that everything happens for a reason.

Thanks for your contribution to Avalon keep it up!

A..

yeah i know i was asked not to post these but as soon as i read the part asking me not to i knew i eventualy would.

Anchor · 11-22-2008, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Hypnotize

yeah i know i was asked not to post these but as soon as i read the part asking me not to i knew i eventualy would.

You could have done a better job of the quoting so that it was clearer who said what.

Why did you post it? I was after all trying to help you at the time - this is seems like old history. In terms of forum time it seems like years, yet this forum, or the Project Avalon part of it is only just over 2 months old!

A..

dayzero · 11-22-2008, 09:44 AM

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Dean Plejaren · 11-22-2008, 03:53 AM

I am impressed with that post by Kerry and agree with it. It's exactly accurate and something I couldn't find the words to express.

Others and myself I think we have being delt unfair infractions and bans just because of speaking what we thought at the time rather than drugs/porn.

This is why I disagreed with using guidelines as an excuse and crutch rather than everyone taking proper responsibility to discern individually rather than follow set rules and using rules to police.

What is annoying is the sheep of the forum will just say yes to anything and support anything without thinking and this is just another obstruction when they start calling you negative and such just cause you are disagreeing with something.

I still think subscription is not the right course of action to solve the money situation for this I think donations fund raising and charging for project camelot work is the answer. To sell DVDs, books and others things. This forum should not have to fund other work if anything we pay for what the forum costs as I don't think posting privileges are worth more than what the forum would cost to run.

I have had strong disagreements and issues with this because I do try and think for myself. It's not my fault if my opinion ignorant or not becomes an insult to other people and I shouldn't be censored for it. How could I support it knowing I wouldn't have a say....And it's only because we are so use to being tricked deceived and abused that we are now extra careful when things begin to get treated unfairly. Leaving room for people to have an opinion and make mistakes is a must and just letting them be here if they want to be here. Even if they think different with a totally different perspective of what it is about.

The moderation on the forum has being way too heavy so this announcement is much needed clarity. People are reasonable when you understand them and they get very uncomfortable when they feel like they are being censored on a forum and it brings out lack of trust and confidence very easily. That starts to divide people up rather than sticking to what is important.

efields · 11-22-2008, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Karen

See #2 post sarcasm: "Thanks for the link."

There is no link. I was just trying to help the ones that don't know where it is or what it said. And they don't even have to leave this page to read the post. I thought I was being nice.

Thanx for putting it here. ! It was a breath of fresh air, and very well said. It made me feel real good!

Steve_A · 11-22-2008, 09:50 AM

Hi Everyone,

Freedom of ideas has always been the center point of this forum. That is what makes the forum so interesting, we are over five thousand heads thinking and swapping ideas, experiences and opinions.

There are bound to be disgreements. The thing is that when we disagree, we need to say why, as in any disagreement either in real life or online, they can easily turn into slanging matches which help neither side, makes the general tone of the forum lower and less enjoyable for those who use it and also more difficult for interested people find the information that they are lookng for.

Remember this forum is a source of information and should be treated as such, searching, offering and swapping important information relevant to our lives both material and spiritual.

So, as a moderator, to make my life a little easier especially on my eyes, please let's reason when we disagree and try and direct our points of view in an orderly manner so that here becomes a place of coming together and sharing.

Best regards,

Steve

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Originally Posted by J_rod7

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Kerry Cassidy has made a bold and Definitive Statement as to the FREEDOM of Ideas. I certainly agree fully to what she has expressed.

How else COULD there be an open exchange of Ideas. And this Statement Kerry made applies to All of us, not just to the Moderators.

In Peace

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golden lady · 11-22-2008, 10:51 AM

Thank you Kerry, some sence at last!

However, I would wish to see the forum remain free to all. I'm sure donations would be the way to go.
Love peace and courage to all
Golden.

Jack · 11-22-2008, 12:31 PM

Hello everyone!

Ive noticed through my short time here that there are a lot of people who wish to put a barrior up between the users of the forum and the moderators. This is completely unnecessary. The users here have just as important a job here as the moderators, but it is essential that we work together.

Remember a couple of points.

Our governments have spent the past few millenia controlling us by brainwashing us into recognising all the little 'differences' that we have. And then brainwashing us into thinking that these 'differences' matter. They do not matter, each on of us can play an effective role here whilst sharing a mutual respect. This is teamwork, and it has been our complete inability to do this effectivly down through history that has made us so easy to manipulate.
Each one of us has come here to fullfill a role. Although you may not be aware of this you have come here for a reason. There are over six billion people on this planet, and only 5,000 have met the required circumstances in their lives that have lead them to this forum.
The powers that be continue to screw us in every oriface whilst they laugh heartily at our little attempt to come together. You must remember that any fighting in this forum is making them grin from ear to ear. We all have our differences here, but we are adults and have the responsibility to put our petty differences aside and come together and start working as a team.
This forum is more important then a lot of people realise. We are in for a very difficult future, and i know this may seem hard to swallow but that is the conclusion i have come to after a decade of intense research. Having the most supplies, or the biggest baracade up outside of your house is not going to determine if you get through this. Its how well you can come together with your fellow people that will ensure your survival.
Its time to work as a team. The moderators are here to do a job that is more difficult then can be seen by the users. I know this, after just a few weeks of working here i can see how stressfull things can get, and now more then ever we need the support and respect of the users so as to make our job a bit easier. We are working for everyone here, and when people put up barriors it makes this job much more difficult.

Remember guys and girls, we are all in this together and need to co-operate fully in order to accomplish what we each came here to do. We are here because we answered the message that we felt as an urge from the soul level. This is not a game, there are very serious times ahead.

All the best,

Jack

Dean Plejaren · 11-22-2008, 03:01 PM

Jack this is a duplicate post....

Here is your post again at the other location....
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7984

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Originally Posted by Anchor

It remains that we do try to stop duplicate posts, and will continue to.

It's a good thing you have each other to moderate each other.

Dantheman62 · 11-22-2008, 07:55 PM

geez dean, here you go again, Jack is one of the smartest people on this forum and I'm sure he meant to duplicate his message! But you had to go and pick out a small portion of a quote from Anchor that has nothing to do with this.Then I see you started in on historycircus in his mod election thread, you just don't understand sometimes what people are doing or saying.I'm sure you'll have a comment for me, that's o.k., I'm just trying to point things out to you that's all. I don't mean any disrespect.

Carol · 11-22-2008, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dean Plejaren

Jack this is a duplicate post....

Here is your post again at the other location....
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7984

It's a good thing you have each other to moderate each other.

Frankly Dean, I think you would make a great moderator. You don't bend under pressure.

errr.. I guess that could be taken several ways.

GoingToFast · 11-22-2008, 08:24 PM

Censorship is the greatest enemy to democracy, When there is infringement on freedom of speech there is infringement on freedom it self: THIS IS FUNDAMENTAL.

daisy · 11-22-2008, 11:54 PM

As a lurker for the past few months, I must say that I enjoy the gorgeous photos that so many of you have by your names. Most of my pics are of grandchildren who live in places all over the earth. I am a human becoming and my need to "search" began when I was a young girl. I have been awakened and now "chop wood and carry water". I have especially enjoyed the lessons in meditation which have helped me to begin once again.

calico · 11-23-2008, 12:49 AM

Oh boy! Way too much drama for me. Some of us are getting on with the job of creating. Someone

recently said that any destructive energy in the work of building ground crews or radiant zones could create huge setbacks and materially affect the work. For some of us practice or playtime is over. We cannot afford to be side tracked.

Dean Plejaren · 11-23-2008, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dantheman62

geez dean, here you go again, Jack is one of the smartest people on this forum and I'm sure he meant to duplicate his message!

There is no need to get so upset all the time. That poll was for you ok? Just kool it with me you are over passionate calm down about me. It's all out radicalism stopping you from understanding some humor. Even Carol handled it better than you and she is a moderator.

I understand Jacks message completely and I read it twice.

Ampgod · 11-23-2008, 06:50 AM

I enjoyed reading her statement and respect it.

Rumas · 11-30-2008, 07:17 AM

I think this is a good move on Kerry's part. How else will we get more great videos if she is trapped here all day read this huge library of info. She does a great job and she needs to stick to what she has been doing. Look at the fallowing she and Bill have created because of this.

I full support you decision!

11-22-2008, 02:52 AM	#4
historycircus Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Kerry Cassidy' Last Post "Just bringing you back to the top"

11-22-2008, 03:30 AM	#6
Orion11 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,098	Re: Kerry Cassidy' Last Post it was nice thanks.

11-22-2008, 03:35 AM	#8
Hypnotize Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Oregon Coast Posts: 154	Re: Kerry Cassidy' Last Post Originally Posted by Hypnotize View Post this isn't really relevent but i think...MOD EDIT: You are correct! It is NOT relevent and more importantly it is off topic to the thread. Please refrain for going Off Topic to the thread. Look...I am TRYING to be nice and accommodating here. Please people do not push it. I KNOW Sarah Palin can be funny to many people but this is not the time and place for it! Thanks! don't let all that mod power go to your head now. MOD WARNING: Please do not re-edit once a mod has already did. For one I do not look at having Mod Power. I have Mod Abilities. That is ALL. Two: Your post IS Off Topic and that is against forum rules/guidlines. I have been more then fair here. Anymore re-edits or direspect in this thread to a mod or to Michael St Clair will result in me using my other 'abilities'. Which are infractions! LAST WARNING! Thank YOU! Private messages from Anchor Anchor Hi Guys (Hypnotize and Steven) Independent moderator reviewing situation here. With respect to this post: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...0&postcount=23 Here is the edit history N/A Stephen 11-12-2008 02:10 PM N/A Stephen 11-12-2008 02:05 PM Original Post Hypnotize 11-12-2008 01:45 PM It is evident that Hypnotize did not re-edit his post. Over to you Stephen A.. Hypnotize It seems that stevin responded by deleting my and your posts and locking the thread under the basis that we will not listen to "reason". I'm not quite sure what he means by that but thought I'd let you know. It seems to me that stevin is trying to avoid this problem and his mistake. I dont really want to change anything now. I am sorry all this happened. Stephen appears to have resigned. This makes me sad. Anchor I dont really want to change anything now. I am sorry all this happened. Stephen appears to have resigned. This makes me sad. Maybe I should not have posted in the forum and done it all by personal mail; but I wanted it publically clear that you were not at fault. I dont think I need to say it to you, but please don't post ANY Private Mail on this. I strongly feel that discretion is the better part of valour. I have faith that everything happens for a reason. Thanks for your contribution to Avalon keep it up! A.. yeah i know i was asked not to post these but as soon as i read the part asking me not to i knew i eventualy would.

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dayzero Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Southern England Posts: 458	Re: Kerry Cassidy' Last Post ! Last edited by dayzero; 11-26-2008 at 11:09 AM. Reason: bad feeling

11-22-2008, 03:53 AM	#11
Dean Plejaren Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 170	Re: Kerry Cassidy' Last Post I am impressed with that post by Kerry and agree with it. It's exactly accurate and something I couldn't find the words to express. Others and myself I think we have being delt unfair infractions and bans just because of speaking what we thought at the time rather than drugs/porn. This is why I disagreed with using guidelines as an excuse and crutch rather than everyone taking proper responsibility to discern individually rather than follow set rules and using rules to police. What is annoying is the sheep of the forum will just say yes to anything and support anything without thinking and this is just another obstruction when they start calling you negative and such just cause you are disagreeing with something. I still think subscription is not the right course of action to solve the money situation for this I think donations fund raising and charging for project camelot work is the answer. To sell DVDs, books and others things. This forum should not have to fund other work if anything we pay for what the forum costs as I don't think posting privileges are worth more than what the forum would cost to run. I have had strong disagreements and issues with this because I do try and think for myself. It's not my fault if my opinion ignorant or not becomes an insult to other people and I shouldn't be censored for it. How could I support it knowing I wouldn't have a say....And it's only because we are so use to being tricked deceived and abused that we are now extra careful when things begin to get treated unfairly. Leaving room for people to have an opinion and make mistakes is a must and just letting them be here if they want to be here. Even if they think different with a totally different perspective of what it is about. The moderation on the forum has being way too heavy so this announcement is much needed clarity. People are reasonable when you understand them and they get very uncomfortable when they feel like they are being censored on a forum and it brings out lack of trust and confidence very easily. That starts to divide people up rather than sticking to what is important.

11-22-2008, 01:55 AM	#1
J_rod7 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 301	Re: Kerry Cassidy' Last Post * * *** Kerry Cassidy has made a bold and Definitive Statement as to the FREEDOM of Ideas. I certainly agree fully to what she has expressed. How else COULD there be an open exchange of Ideas. And this Statement Kerry made applies to All of us, not just to the Moderators. In Peace *** * *

11-22-2008, 02:10 AM	#2
Karen Project Avalon Organizer Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NE Oregon boondocks, USA Posts: 1,767	Re: Kerry Cassidy' Last Post http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...4660#post84660 Kerry Cassidy wrote: Old Today, 02:31 PM #1 Kerry Cassidy Project Avalon Co Founder Kerry Cassidy's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 98 Default My view on the forum, mod behavior etc. My Views on the Forum I have a strong dislike of authority and especially of those in authoritarian type roles who try to dictate to others, behavior or thought. One would think that those coming on to the forum share this value. However, with Moderators something else seems to be operating. From my pov I get triggered when people act like police or prison guards and try to shut people in or out. It is abhorent to me that I would be involved in such an enterprise regardless of the high ideals people feel they are operating from. I do understand from the perspective of some, shutting out troublemakers is the best way to create a 'safe place' for people to share their views. I am suspicious of this activity from the out set.. regardless of the reasoning. I am a rebel at heart, always have been and always will be. So I identify with those who set themselves apart, rebel and question authority IN ALL ITS FORMS regardless of the rationalization for it. I am not unaware that some degree of maintenance of "order" must take place for human SOCIETY to operate. I did graduate work in SOCIOLOGY (the study of groups and how they operate in society and the relation of the individual to society)..in fact I was writing a Master's thesis on this issue when I decided to quit graduate school because it was unnecessary (getting straight A's at that by the way..) However, because my position on this is not merely emotional but backed by years of study of rebellion in all its forms and societal structures -- I find myself in a quandary when dealing with the Mods because at root my philosophy is apparently far different. I come from the pov that it is not the individual that is "sick" but the society and the structures they have built that makes the individual appear that way. Most of psychoanalysis and other therapies are all about adjusting and modifying the individual to conform to society and their rules rather than looking for ways to change society to incorporate the "radical types". Radicalism is at root a MESSAGE FOR CHANGE THAT IS NEEDED... and therefore when I see a troublemaker I see a person with a different pov that may have a message and should therefore be heard. And here is where the FORUM and its Mods and I diverge. I do not find "socially acceptable" behavior to be the optimum... I see it as preferable but NOT MANDATORY. I see, as you know, the message and the need to include the radicals as more important than the need to have their behavior conform. It's a matter of priority. It is also about granting FREEDOM in all cases. In my view, if you allow a troublemaker, others Freedom is not curtailed, on the contrary, they can react as well as the next person... It is their choice whether to be triggered or not. Therefore in FORUM DIALOG troublemakers, with rare exceptions which are those with true devious intent such as selling drugs, pornography, paid agents and the like... are there as a part of the structure, stating their views where people can be challenged and disagree quite easily. The thing about forums is one person posts after another and therefore there is no real FACE TO FACE contact or FORCEFUL coercion to reply unless one wants to get into the "fray"... I am aware that people are followers often and easily swayed by the posts of troublemakers but that is again their choice. It's quite a fair structure inherently and one that, without the intervention of Mods, in my view, will sort itself out if given a chance. When you ACT AS POLICE and kick people out you only exercise your own authoritarian beliefs and consider it justified. When in reality, you have not given the other people there the opportunity to grow their own muscles (mentally/emotionally) of discernment and let them handle it. They are all children in a school yard. They are there to learn. We all learn from the good as well as the bad. So, I am simply against forcing people out regardless with the exception of the obvious infractions (drugs, porn) and I think we can all agree what those are. People who criticize Camelot and Avalon are certainly not guilty of those "infractions".... I consider even destructively oriented criticism to be allowable. I know many do not share this view. I don't actually agree with the view about... a few bad apples spoiling it for others... I think we all have it well within our grasp to grab the podium and turn things in a positive direction. A forum post allows for this opportunity. I suggest that be the recourse rather than handing out points and infractions behind the scenes like secret police or school yard spies. This being as it is, I do not find it desirable or attractive when people want to lessen people's chance to speak their minds regardless of who they THINK THEY ARE PROTECTING. I understand the impulse but I think it is misplaced as a way of loving... indeed it is very destructive in nature because it assumes that: 1. People can't protect themselves. 2. It doesn't allow people the "beingness" to develop their own modes of protection or discernment. 3. It creates a false sense of shelter where in reality there is none. This gets to how I see the internet vs. a store or party in everyday life. The net is special because IT IS OPEN. That is quite possibly THE ONLY REASON IT IS SPECIAL. If you destroy that you destroy everything. Every Freedom, every choice we have. It is a mirror of our UNIVERSAL MIND and as such we must ALLOW as much freedom in the way we operate as humanly possible. Yes by instituting a subscription based forum to help pay for our work--we are imposing certain limits.. ($1 a month -- I mean get real..) but they are reasonable and the barrier to ENTRY IS EXTREMELY LOW. I want to KEEP IT THAT WAY. To be posted on to the forum in Announcements and in Mod area. In peace, Love, Kerry Kerry Lynn Cassidy and Bill Ryan Project Camelot/Project Avalon 'dare to speak' http://projectcamelot.org http://projectavalon.net __________________________________________________ _______ .."he asked if it was classified and he was told no, because you can't classify something that doesn't exist."--Hawk Tales __________________ ..."if you build it they will come" Field of Dreams

11-22-2008, 10:51 AM	#14
golden lady Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: UK. Posts: 37	Re: Kerry Cassidy' Last Post Thank you Kerry, some sence at last! However, I would wish to see the forum remain free to all. I'm sure donations would be the way to go. Love peace and courage to all Golden.

11-22-2008, 12:31 PM	#15
Jack Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 454	Re: Kerry Cassidy' Last Post Hello everyone! Ive noticed through my short time here that there are a lot of people who wish to put a barrior up between the users of the forum and the moderators. This is completely unnecessary. The users here have just as important a job here as the moderators, but it is essential that we work together. Remember a couple of points. Our governments have spent the past few millenia controlling us by brainwashing us into recognising all the little 'differences' that we have. And then brainwashing us into thinking that these 'differences' matter. They do not matter, each on of us can play an effective role here whilst sharing a mutual respect. This is teamwork, and it has been our complete inability to do this effectivly down through history that has made us so easy to manipulate. Each one of us has come here to fullfill a role. Although you may not be aware of this you have come here for a reason. There are over six billion people on this planet, and only 5,000 have met the required circumstances in their lives that have lead them to this forum. The powers that be continue to screw us in every oriface whilst they laugh heartily at our little attempt to come together. You must remember that any fighting in this forum is making them grin from ear to ear. We all have our differences here, but we are adults and have the responsibility to put our petty differences aside and come together and start working as a team. This forum is more important then a lot of people realise. We are in for a very difficult future, and i know this may seem hard to swallow but that is the conclusion i have come to after a decade of intense research. Having the most supplies, or the biggest baracade up outside of your house is not going to determine if you get through this. Its how well you can come together with your fellow people that will ensure your survival. Its time to work as a team. The moderators are here to do a job that is more difficult then can be seen by the users. I know this, after just a few weeks of working here i can see how stressfull things can get, and now more then ever we need the support and respect of the users so as to make our job a bit easier. We are working for everyone here, and when people put up barriors it makes this job much more difficult. Remember guys and girls, we are all in this together and need to co-operate fully in order to accomplish what we each came here to do. We are here because we answered the message that we felt as an urge from the soul level. This is not a game, there are very serious times ahead. All the best, Jack

11-22-2008, 07:55 PM	#17
Dantheman62 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: So. Cal. U.S. Posts: 4,205	Re: Kerry Cassidy' Last Post geez dean, here you go again, Jack is one of the smartest people on this forum and I'm sure he meant to duplicate his message! But you had to go and pick out a small portion of a quote from Anchor that has nothing to do with this.Then I see you started in on historycircus in his mod election thread, you just don't understand sometimes what people are doing or saying.I'm sure you'll have a comment for me, that's o.k., I'm just trying to point things out to you that's all. I don't mean any disrespect.

11-22-2008, 08:24 PM	#19
GoingToFast Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Avesta, Sweden. Posts: 303	Re: Kerry Cassidy' Last Post Censorship is the greatest enemy to democracy, When there is infringement on freedom of speech there is infringement on freedom it self: THIS IS FUNDAMENTAL.

11-22-2008, 11:54 PM	#20
daisy Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Salem MA Posts: 4	Re: Kerry Cassidy' Last Post As a lurker for the past few months, I must say that I enjoy the gorgeous photos that so many of you have by your names. Most of my pics are of grandchildren who live in places all over the earth. I am a human becoming and my need to "search" began when I was a young girl. I have been awakened and now "chop wood and carry water". I have especially enjoyed the lessons in meditation which have helped me to begin once again.

11-23-2008, 12:49 AM	#21
calico Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 13	Re: Kerry Cassidy' Last Post Oh boy! Way too much drama for me. Some of us are getting on with the job of creating. Someone recently said that any destructive energy in the work of building ground crews or radiant zones could create huge setbacks and materially affect the work. For some of us practice or playtime is over. We cannot afford to be side tracked.

11-23-2008, 06:50 AM	#23
Ampgod Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 310	Re: Kerry Cassidy' Last Post I enjoyed reading her statement and respect it.

11-30-2008, 07:17 AM	#24
Rumas Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: unhypnotize.com Posts: 30	Re: Kerry Cassidy' Last Post I think this is a good move on Kerry's part. How else will we get more great videos if she is trapped here all day read this huge library of info. She does a great job and she needs to stick to what she has been doing. Look at the fallowing she and Bill have created because of this. I full support you decision!