Are Our Religious Idea's Our Own?

[Heretic]

The 60s and counterculture

This is taken from a thread I read some time ago and it is derived from a lengthy article Laurel Canyon and the Birth of the Hippie Generation by Mr. McGowan at "The Center for an Informed American"

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Tavistock (along with people such as Aldous Huxley) was behind the rise of the 60's counter-culture, and the Beatles were closely related to Tavistock. Their image and the way they were sold by the media was not simply some spontaneous creation as many believe. They were part of a massive social experiment that would give rise to what they would call "youth culture." There was a lot of money and effort behind this band from some very powerful people within the music industry and outside of the music industry, too. So yeah, Beatlemania was a total media-Tavistock creation, equipt with busses of screaming girls sent to their early gigs to get the whole media craze started so that everyone would want to become part of "the scene."

As far as the sound goes, the Beatles in and of themselves were not great musicians. However, they had some of the best equipment for that time period and were working with some of the best studio engineers and producers like George Martin. They played a pretty overlooked role in the Beatles' overall sound, especially on their post-1964 albums. The same holds true for many of the US producers.

We know Martin and others were heavily involved in techniques involving music and its relation with the mind, and how brain wave patterns are altered with certain types of music. They also worked closely with people like Gibson in the US on stereo and using what they call sequencing with the stereo. So to the average person listening, they would simply hear the instruments, when really there's actually sequences, which are pulses in certain songs that were conducive to certain mental states and brain wave patterns.

I mean, the Beatles started off as this squeeky-clean band that were playing pretty straight-forward music. Within about two years they were incorporating all these eastern influences and orchestral movements into their music with very interesting sequencing that seemed unlikely to be coming from guys who were only in their mid-20s at the time. So while I do not deny the talent of someone like John Lennon, who indeed was a brilliant person, I have no doubt the Beatles were given "a little help from their friends" along the way.

It is interesting to see how it all ties in and contrasts with the hippy scene here in the US, as McGowan points out in his articles the connections with these 60's California bands to the military and military intelligence. There is definitely a lot more to the picture than what the average person knows.

But just look at LSD and how this all ties in with it. We know that LSD was a CIA mind control drug YEARS before it became popular with the counterculture. And the flood of LSD witnessed around '65-66 was not made by some guy in his bathroom, but by the CIA, who introduced this into society to create a cultural sea change and a move away from the old age (based around traditional Judeo-Christian values), into the new Aquarian age (a return to pantheistic, earth-based religion). This was around the same time when all the eastern mysticism and new age stuff was being introduced to the public. Then we had the slogans... you know, "turn on, tune in, drop out," etc. being pushed by people like Leary, who admittedly was working for the CIA.

The fact is all culture and counter-culture comes from the top-down with an agenda unbeknownst to the general public. It doesn't matter if it's the hippy culture or the grunge culture, or even the rap culture. It's all put out there for a reason, for purposes of social engineering and moving people in a pre-determined direction. People parrot and mimic whatever is given to them as promoted by the media, which in turn fuels culture. That's how something becomes "popular." It is never just a grassroots thing that sprouts on its own, but rather is promoted into existence from the top.

Many cults formed during the 60s and 70s during this counter culture that desired to break away from mainstream dogma and search for new ideologies that at made the attempts to answers many questions raised by ESP, Atlantis, past lives, reincarnation, karma. This counterculture took place in the same span as many new theosophical trends came into being, yet has roots in the latter part of the 1800s as epistemological individualism. Other religious figures broke away from tradition going new directions that most dogmatic religions went like the Unification Church. Some were successful while others ended in tragedy like the Jonestown massacre.

[TranceAm]

Originally Posted by Heretic

[B]

Oh my god, like they Hijack the movements basic memes in order to, take it over, or even study a society and it's trends (Into a direction.) and then pre-emtive the spontaneous forming of the/a movement by organizing it with themselves at the helm, and then sail it right into an iceberg? ........

[Heretic]

Originally Posted by TranceAm

Oh my god, like they Hijack the movements basic memes in order to, take it over, or even study a society and it's trends (Into a direction.) and then pre-emtive the spontaneous forming of the/a movement by organizing it with themselves at the helm, and then sail it right into an iceberg? ........

this is clearly happening and has been happening concerning a great number of things

infiltrating and then diverting a movement according to an agenda has been the bread and butter of foreign policy for the CIA and regime changes the world over. Should we not expect it to be applied in cases like these too?

I cant say they are in control of the whole thing though, and due to the age of the ideology it is hard to believe that they were putting ideas into peoples minds back then, heck most of this stuff is pre-Tesla

who were these mysterious "beings" who influenced new thought, theosophy, and an "upgrade" from the old ways, who's messages challenge the devout

have we not already witnessed such things recently in the last 50 years? Are we not witnessing this happen now with more an more "channeled" information coming out that enlightens us all who read it with an open mind?

Did we not see this happen throughout the old and new testament (as well as many sacred texts)....new ideologies moving in to replace the old worn out ones....even fulfilling the old ways and transforming them into a greater synthesis of understanding of our place in the universe as well as redefining our relationship with our creators?

there is definitely an "upgrade" happening, upsetting the old ways, paving new paths to "proposed" greater destinations

separating the wheat from the chafe

harvest day = 2012?

[Heretic]

What to do with all these clues and information. It has been said that Christianity is a composite religion including ideologies from all over the world at the time. Some even say that Christ himself is a composite character to satisfy the many religions of the time.

Whether it is or not is not my concern because the message itself has ultimately transformed the world and her beliefs.

My question is, are we seeing a reunification of beliefs once again, in which many elements of the world religions are transformed into one religion, through the use of the concerns of the day like spirituality, cosmology, esotericism, complementary and alternative medicine, various religious practices, humanism, collectivism, nature, and environmentalism?

Or are we seeing an emergence of an ideology that has been taught to us through many of these prominent figures and their personal relationships with "higher beings". Are we not seeing this still emerging through all the channeled messages found all over the internet that are all teaching the same basic principles.

Should we consider the messenger, or judge the message by its merits alone.

Are Our Religious Idea's Our Own?

[Magamud]

Is the movement we are now participating in, a self realized and self motivated movement, or was it engineered and or manipulated by the powers that be just like everything else we discuss here could be?

How could you not at least assume that everything has been engineered? The data as you so plainly made clear is immense. We are in a matrix an alternative reality working on a quantum level on up.

Is this great awakening of our age in which we are saving ourselves and this planet from our own irresponsibility, a creation by unseen shepherds who need a one world religion to unite humanity more efficiently?

Precisely, our minds have been so corrupted we cannot tell fact from fantasy. We are mentally divergent living in two different worlds. The new age movement, creation of crisis and all culture in fact music/art is the seeds of one world religion, that we ourselves through, SIFTING will create. The unseen shepards believe they are perfecting us. They provide the clay and we mold it thinking its ours.

Is it ourselves that are challenging old belief structures and world religions to replace it with a new and improved religion of a decentralized divine power structure, or are we being led to this ideology by the same unseen hands that are moving us into a global society?

Lambs to the slaughter eh? We are in an agenda. A corporate mandate thought about in think tanks, managed and targeted on us the enemy. The Masons term it "The Great Work" They work generationally. Hundreds of years possibly more. Unlimited amount of money to create "foundations" that create "non profit organizations" that are here for our benefit, which in turn recommend policy that politicians always in turn implement because its from our friendly neighborhood contributors, that are so so worried about our future. (Sarcasm)

Is the fear of unsustainability, being left behind in our 2012 ascension, or a lack of the Gaia mentality being the cause catastrophic repercussions, in any way comparable to the fear of God or his judgments against our sins?

I like how you think! Yes its the new paradigm! Same primitive emotion/parent figure, not worthy type of scenario. All these non profit foundations are supporting "the green/global warning" to make you believe thorugh their science of course that we are bad for the earth and that certain measures of restriction, less energy/sterilization, global tax are needed to serve the technocratic green earth. All the people on the planet could live in Australia with a quarter acre of their own farmland. Are we really overpopulated? Is there really an energy shortage? Shortage of food?

Are we really waking up, or merely following a trail of manna by those who wish us to follow the path they have already chosen for mankind towards a new religion for the new golden age post 2012?

Was it Skinner with the rat in the maze and if you change something in the beings environment you can change behavior. They mention it in their books Darwin, HG wells, Huxley, Carroll Quigley, Albert Pike, MK ultra/LSD, etc..

Great thread and I hope more of this type of logic comes out and shakes some foundations.

Good Luck & Godspeed

P.S. Alan Watt resonates this vibe www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com

P.S.S. Might be a super computer acting as a divine character named Landru where were headed. Mindlessness and vacate contempment
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v6258238M...?rank=7&order=

[pilgrim]

Heretic,
I will ask you to read the article I'm providing, then maybe you could explain the meaning of the sudden population explosion in such a short time period if it was not engineered?
http://www.heartoftheinitiate.com/li...2012-revisited
We are not a parasitic species, quite the opposite. We behave like a parasite, warlike, invasive and self driven as a species because, much as a person with malaria would be feverish when infected by a foreign body, thus our humanity has been. Humanity in it's natural being is a composite of physical/spirit embodiment. A wonderous being waiting to be re-discovered.
The 'new age movement' thing was only a growing pain thing, much like losing your milk teeth.
There is an awakening going on now, thanks to that new age thing. It was only a stage in our awakening, an adolesence.
No religious rituals, no amount of prayers, no amount of meditation, following guru's, avoiding black cats, reading feel good books........whatever you are into. Nothing!..but nothing happens without love. Practise anything you want, do anything you want, be anything you want!
It has to start with loving you!.., yep, you!. Strange as that may sound.
After all.., you can't give what you haven't got. Simple!
You can't give to your god.., if you don't have it.
You can't give it to your wife..,if you don't have it.
It's like saying, ' I'll give you a million dollars.., when I get it', Get it then give it. Got it!

When it comes to fighting.. Well.!
Priest have told me about the bible. People I looked up to once.., still do.., but they are people.
People wrote the bible.
King James is a "Version" of the bible. Which version?
Budda, Mohammed, Brigham Young, Popeye.

Just a minute!!

They all tell me THEY are right!
What happens if I think for My self?
I've got love for me self, I can Think.

yes, but if you have this new spirituality.., how can you stop me!!

F88k you *******..,I'm only half spiritual!!


It really doesn't matter unless you come from a loving wholeness!
It is only from that foundation can you fight against anything that would take that love from you or yours.

[Heretic]

Originally Posted by pilgrim

Heretic,
I will ask you to read the article I'm providing, then maybe you could explain the meaning of the sudden population explosion in such a short time period if it was not engineered?
http://www.heartoftheinitiate.com/li...2012-revisited
We are not a parasitic species, quite the opposite. We behave like a parasite, warlike, invasive and self driven as a species because, much as a person with malaria would be feverish when infected by a foreign body, thus our humanity has been. Humanity in it's natural being is a composite of physical/spirit embodiment. A wonderous being waiting to be re-discovered.
The 'new age movement' thing was only a growing pain thing, much like losing your milk teeth.
There is an awakening going on now, thanks to that new age thing. It was only a stage in our awakening, an adolescence.

I read that page as well as the 2012 problem. Good stuff because to me it raises more questions than answers, you know me, I am not that fond of answers, well...maybe temporary guesses. The end of time? Could very well be because we could be advancing towards a more responsible species. Is having the power over time and space our just rewards for taking the appropriate steps to learn the lessons needed to know so as not to destroy ourselves or others once we reach such a powerful point?

One could say that biblical times were a preschool where we were told not to harm others, respect our elders (big one), no stealing...the whole 10 commandments thing....lest we be judged harshly and be punished

now we are moving more into a phase of self governance, self reliance, taking care of the earth etc....much like you said - a period of adolescence

not to mention a closer and more integrated relationship with the creator

could this 2012 thing be our graduation ceremony? some may pass, while others are left behind to repeat the grade over again because they failed the practical

I dont know but it is all very interesting

[Heretic]

Is the movement we are now participating in, a self realized and self motivated movement, or was it engineered and or manipulated by the powers that be just like everything else we discuss here could be?

How could you not at least assume that everything has been engineered? The data as you so plainly made clear is immense. We are in a matrix an alternative reality working on a quantum level on up.

The next question I would ask is: Who are the powers that be, REALLY? have the illuminati been reigned in, re-inlightened without the egoist mindset, and is that infrastructure now being used by our benefactors to remove the noose around our throats put there by the secret societies?

Is this great awakening of our age in which we are saving ourselves and this planet from our own irresponsibility, a creation by unseen shepherds who need a one world religion to unite humanity more efficiently?

Precisely, our minds have been so corrupted we cannot tell fact from fantasy. We are mentally divergent living in two different worlds. The new age movement, creation of crisis and all culture in fact music/art is the seeds of one world religion, that we ourselves through, SIFTING will create. The unseen shepards believe they are perfecting us. They provide the clay and we mold it thinking its ours.


I think a one world government is both inevitable and refreshing as long as we do it corectly without the greed and thirst for power and control. Many people find it a surrendering of sovereignty, but we have been a one world mentaility anyway since the first world war. Who is doing the pushing towards this new world? The good guys or the bad guys, and can we tell the difference?

Is it ourselves that are challenging old belief structures and world religions to replace it with a new and improved religion of a decentralized divine power structure, or are we being led to this ideology by the same unseen hands that are moving us into a global society?

Lambs to the slaughter eh? We are in an agenda. A corporate mandate thought about in think tanks, managed and targeted on us the enemy. The Masons term it "The Great Work" They work generationally. Hundreds of years possibly more. Unlimited amount of money to create "foundations" that create "non profit organizations" that are here for our benefit, which in turn recommend policy that politicians always in turn implement because its from our friendly neighborhood contributors, that are so so worried about our future. (Sarcasm)

Is it only the men at the top of the power structures that are corrupt and cruel towards humanity? Would removing them transform anything or just allow these institutions to be what they were set up to be, using the same infrastructure? Would it really take all that much change to fix things?

Is the fear of unsustainability, being left behind in our 2012 ascension, or a lack of the Gaia mentality being the cause catastrophic repercussions, in any way comparable to the fear of God or his judgments against our sins?

I like how you think! Yes its the new paradigm! Same primitive emotion/parent figure, not worthy type of scenario. All these non profit foundations are supporting "the green/global warning" to make you believe thorugh their science of course that we are bad for the earth and that certain measures of restriction, less energy/sterilization, global tax are needed to serve the technocratic green earth. All the people on the planet could live in Australia with a quarter acre of their own farmland. Are we really overpopulated? Is there really an energy shortage? Shortage of food?

Or could this be a positive mentality hijacked by those who lust for power and control. Is there a war between those who look to the future with a cautious eye, and those who would pervert that caution into fear? Who is pulling what strings and is there more than one faction working here?

Are we really waking up, or merely following a trail of manna by those who wish us to follow the path they have already chosen for mankind towards a new religion for the new golden age post 2012?

Was it Skinner with the rat in the maze and if you change something in the beings environment you can change behavior. They mention it in their books Darwin, HG wells, Huxley, Carroll Quigley, Albert Pike, MK ultra/LSD, etc..

Who is really in control of the maze here, one or many? Has there been an insertion of ideology by "beings" into the already toxic mindest of the power elite, causing an awakening across the board. Are we witnessing two or more awakenings similtaneously?



Just more questions.

[Heretic]

its all so confusing