What If ? - Your input please

herbivore · 11-14-2008, 07:37 PM

monetary systems are solely responsible for debt (of course), social hierarchies, infinite amounts of fear/sadness/depression/deaths/ruined lives/stress/etc. there isn't a single product of monetary system that can't be a product of a non-monetary system.

little do people know now-a-days that in 17th century england the monetary equivalent of our 'o-so-precious' paper and ink bills were (literally) wooden sticks.

Operator · 11-14-2008, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by herbivore

monetary systems are solely responsible for debt

Well partly we are responsible ourselves for TAKING the debt ....
The reason they offer it doesn't mean we should take it ....

Cheers

herbivore · 11-14-2008, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Operator

Well partly we are responsible ourselves for TAKING the debt ....
The reason they offer it doesn't mean we should take it ....

Cheers

i get your point, but i have to disagree. when you get your paycheck there isn't a little box that says "oh yeah, every dollar of this paycheck is attached to 100%+ amount of debt. do you agree to inherit? check yes or no"

we are told that for every dollar we have in our pockets it is our gross profit. when in reality the federal reserve loans all those dollars to the U.S. with more debt than profit.

now if you get a credit card and start spending all the company's fake invisible money without your own fake invisible money, that's your own fake invisible hole of fake invisible debt you've dug for your fake invisible self.

Operator · 11-14-2008, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by herbivore

i get your point, but i have to disagree. when you get your paycheck there isn't a little box that says "oh yeah, every dollar of this paycheck is attached to 100%+ amount of debt. do you agree to inherit? check yes or no"

we are told that for every dollar we have in our pockets it is our gross profit. when in reality the federal reserve loans all those dollars to the U.S. with more debt than profit.

I think we may agree after all ... that's why I said partly.
Of course you're right, and that was what I was aiming for, that personal credit is the part of your own responsibility.

Cheers

herbivore · 11-14-2008, 08:33 PM

cheers indeed, my friend.

Love/Light 13 · 11-14-2008, 08:47 PM

Interesting thread thus far. The problem with the global elite is that they believe humans are inherently lazy. They believe that if the monetary system collapsed, humans would no longer have the need for work, and would consciously choose to sit on their lazy butts, while they watched society as we know grind to a screaching halt.

Many on Avalon know better however; that humans by nature want to create, and co-create the reality and universe that engulfs them. We do not want to sit around and do nothing, rather we want to express our infinitely unique personalities in this reality we call planet earth.

Architects will continue to build amazing structures and homes, regardless of whether they are paid or not. Same goes for musicians, artists, professional athletes, business owners etc. Sure, maybe the work week would be scaled back considerably, but is it really so bad for people to enjoy their lives a little more? To travel around more of the world in one lifetime? I don't know one hard-working person who doesn't think a little more R&R (rest and relaxation) would be a bad thing.

Continue our journey from here on out with no money..........we can all dream, right?

L/L 13

***********************

may WISDOM guide COMPASSION

"out of MANY, we are ONE"

herbivore · 11-14-2008, 08:59 PM

collapsing of the monetary system would be the greatest thing to ever happen on earth (if it hasn't happened already, atlantis).

i believe there would be a percentage of people who would have no idea what to do and they would continue their lives leeching or sitting on their butts. this is what the global elites want. they want people to be too lazy to think and provide for themselves.

they are ruling now, a sure sign that their plan has worked for most.

Leadman · 11-15-2008, 09:57 AM

O.K.

Now this thread is picking up momentum, thanks.

Call the idea "Mental Masturbation" if you wish, it's much better than "masturbation going mental". And yes it would be great to not participate in the banking system at all. But even when you pay your wages into the bank, one day, and draw out what you can the next day, you can't avoid ANY of your money passing through the system.
I am talking about that % of your money that goes into the system whether you like it or not. Yes, it would be great to do away with the whole monetary system but for the moment we are stuck with the one we have.

Now, I am new to this whole co-creation thing, I am trying hard to be positive about everything. (have to keep biting my tongue and keeping my thoughts in check, still) But I have noticed a change, at first I thought it was just wishful thinking, then I realised that it might be, just that - wishful thinking, if that makes sense.

So if this actually worked could it not, over time, affect the whole banking system.
I hate having to pay Taxes to support the free loaders who won't get off their ass to help themselves. Governments who rely on a % of my hard earned wages to pay for their wars and "Diplomatic Lifestyles". Ministers/ Senators who spout about "Global Warming" and "Neccessary Cutbacks" in local services, whilst cruising around in motorcades and jetting all over the world for their global summits & Jollies. This includes the Bankers, Moneymen, Fixers, Large Corporates etc.

Just try it, while we have no choice but to use their system, what harm can it do.

"ONLY FOR THE GOOD OF MANKIND" or something similar ?

sammytray · 11-15-2008, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Leadman

O.K.

Now this thread is picking up momentum, thanks.

Call the idea "Mental Masturbation" if you wish, it's much better than "masturbation going mental". And yes it would be great to not participate in the banking system at all. But even when you pay your wages into the bank, one day, and draw out what you can the next day, you can't avoid ANY of your money passing through the system.
I am talking about that % of your money that goes into the system whether you like it or not. Yes, it would be great to do away with the whole monetary system but for the moment we are stuck with the one we have.

Now, I am new to this whole co-creation thing, I am trying hard to be positive about everything. (have to keep biting my tongue and keeping my thoughts in check, still) But I have noticed a change, at first I thought it was just wishful thinking, then I realised that it might be, just that - wishful thinking, if that makes sense.

So if this actually worked could it not, over time, affect the whole banking system.
I hate having to pay Taxes to support the free loaders who won't get off their ass to help themselves. Governments who rely on a % of my hard earned wages to pay for their wars and "Diplomatic Lifestyles". Ministers/ Senators who spout about "Global Warming" and "Neccessary Cutbacks" in local services, whilst cruising around in motorcades and jetting all over the world for their global summits & Jollies. This includes the Bankers, Moneymen, Fixers, Large Corporates etc.

Just try it, while we have no choice but to use their system, what harm can it do.

"ONLY FOR THE GOOD OF MANKIND" or something similar ?

What if everyone refused to pay taxes?

Leadman · 11-16-2008, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by sammytray

What if everyone refused to pay taxes?

My Taxes are deducted at source

11-14-2008, 07:37 PM	#1
herbivore Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: va, us Posts: 97	Re: What If ? - Your input please monetary systems are solely responsible for debt (of course), social hierarchies, infinite amounts of fear/sadness/depression/deaths/ruined lives/stress/etc. there isn't a single product of monetary system that can't be a product of a non-monetary system. little do people know now-a-days that in 17th century england the monetary equivalent of our 'o-so-precious' paper and ink bills were (literally) wooden sticks.

11-14-2008, 08:33 PM	#5
herbivore Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: va, us Posts: 97	Re: What If ? - Your input please cheers indeed, my friend.

11-14-2008, 08:47 PM	#6
Love/Light 13 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 128	Re: What If ? - Your input please Interesting thread thus far. The problem with the global elite is that they believe humans are inherently lazy. They believe that if the monetary system collapsed, humans would no longer have the need for work, and would consciously choose to sit on their lazy butts, while they watched society as we know grind to a screaching halt. Many on Avalon know better however; that humans by nature want to create, and co-create the reality and universe that engulfs them. We do not want to sit around and do nothing, rather we want to express our infinitely unique personalities in this reality we call planet earth. Architects will continue to build amazing structures and homes, regardless of whether they are paid or not. Same goes for musicians, artists, professional athletes, business owners etc. Sure, maybe the work week would be scaled back considerably, but is it really so bad for people to enjoy their lives a little more? To travel around more of the world in one lifetime? I don't know one hard-working person who doesn't think a little more R&R (rest and relaxation) would be a bad thing. Continue our journey from here on out with no money..........we can all dream, right? L/L 13 *********************** may WISDOM guide COMPASSION "out of MANY, we are ONE"

11-14-2008, 08:59 PM	#7
herbivore Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: va, us Posts: 97	Re: What If ? - Your input please collapsing of the monetary system would be the greatest thing to ever happen on earth (if it hasn't happened already, atlantis). i believe there would be a percentage of people who would have no idea what to do and they would continue their lives leeching or sitting on their butts. this is what the global elites want. they want people to be too lazy to think and provide for themselves. they are ruling now, a sure sign that their plan has worked for most.

11-15-2008, 09:57 AM	#8
Leadman Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: This side of the veil Posts: 39	Re: What If ? - Your input please O.K. Now this thread is picking up momentum, thanks. Call the idea "Mental Masturbation" if you wish, it's much better than "masturbation going mental". And yes it would be great to not participate in the banking system at all. But even when you pay your wages into the bank, one day, and draw out what you can the next day, you can't avoid ANY of your money passing through the system. I am talking about that % of your money that goes into the system whether you like it or not. Yes, it would be great to do away with the whole monetary system but for the moment we are stuck with the one we have. Now, I am new to this whole co-creation thing, I am trying hard to be positive about everything. (have to keep biting my tongue and keeping my thoughts in check, still) But I have noticed a change, at first I thought it was just wishful thinking, then I realised that it might be, just that - wishful thinking, if that makes sense. So if this actually worked could it not, over time, affect the whole banking system. I hate having to pay Taxes to support the free loaders who won't get off their ass to help themselves. Governments who rely on a % of my hard earned wages to pay for their wars and "Diplomatic Lifestyles". Ministers/ Senators who spout about "Global Warming" and "Neccessary Cutbacks" in local services, whilst cruising around in motorcades and jetting all over the world for their global summits & Jollies. This includes the Bankers, Moneymen, Fixers, Large Corporates etc. Just try it, while we have no choice but to use their system, what harm can it do. "ONLY FOR THE GOOD OF MANKIND" or something similar ?