Do not vote!!!

herbivore · 11-04-2008, 09:30 PM

i'm 21, a registered voter, but i didn't vote. the enlightenment has...enlightened me to the bigger and better picture. voting is useless, and voters are powerless. there is no law requiring our representatives to vote according to their respective state's popular vote for a reason. recently with everyone talking about voting and how proud they seem to be boasting for voting, i've found it particularly difficult to enlighten the sheeple who haven't woken up yet. they have it burned into their brains that every vote counts and their government works exactly how the TV and educational system tells them it does.

noam chomsky goes into great detail of how the sheeple came to be in Manufacturing Consent. If you haven't seen it yet, it's time you should:

http://video.google.com/videosearch?...nt&emb=1&aq=f#

Rocky_Shorz · 11-04-2008, 09:36 PM

I voted for the crispy cream donut and Starbucks...

mmmmmmmmmm

herbivore · 11-04-2008, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rocky_Shorz

I voted for the crispy cream donut and Starbucks...

mmmmmmmmmm

some call it perks, some call it propaganda and corporate sponsorship. haha

11-04-2008, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by herbivore

noam chomsky goes into great detail of how the sheeple came to be in Manufacturing Consent. If you haven't seen it yet, it's time you should

Pretty ironic that Chomsky, who's a supposed social liberatarian (aka "anarchist") chose to endorse Obama this time around. Chomsky, for all his cumbersome intellectualism, always seems to ditch his "true" base at the most crucial moments. I think of him as a "leftwing gatekeeper". I don't trust him.

herbivore · 11-04-2008, 09:53 PM

you will always find problems when you mix people's personal life with their professional life. i've found it best to take a person's work for what it's worth and not let their supposed personal contradictions interfere with the positively great influence of their work.

Shellie · 11-04-2008, 10:33 PM

I am voting and I an taking my children along with me so they can see what it was like to have a say in something. They are aware that things aren't as they learn in school, but I want to be an example for them to at least learn to seize whatever opportunity they get instead of being constantly apathetic and whiny about everything and letting others make decisions for them. This is one way to speak up; certainly no one is listening, but at least we are speaking up.

Will my vote matter? No. We are choosing different wings from the same bird, AGAIN. This state is leaning heavily to one side, so my one vote won't matter much. And both the candidates are paid for and propped up by NWO thugs. But maybe my kids one day will sit down at the dinner table twenty years from now and one will say "Do you remember when...?"

America is an experiment. A lot of garbage has gotten in the way of this experiment and has ruined it. But the experiment itself is not a failure. I choose to still believe in the ideas this country was built upon. Just because people became lazy and comfortable and didn't pay attention and stop what is happening doesn't mean that when this empire falls it can't be replanted. Our 200 years are up. This country can collapse into a heap, but the NATION (people with the same ideals) I hope will still be here. The land will still be here. If we forget it, or if we forget the strength and the courage the founding fathers had, then we are done for. The rug has been ripped out from under us, so now is our chance to stand up and fix what is wrong. The system is collapsing out from under us. I can't think of a better time to re-think and recreate the world we want to live in. But we have to take that world past our front doors. We have to get it out of our heads.

BTW, I'm writing in George Carlin. The guy may be dead but I can't think of anyone more worthy to be President, even if he thinks the experiment is a joke.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=pUM9l-obnrw

11-04-2008, 10:35 PM

I've been getting phone calls all day for campaigns to ask me to vote.
And the ironic thing is if I wanted to vote, I can't. Because my wife is out of town and I will miss the deadline. Polls close at 7:30 p.m.

Oh well, call it fate.

But, I am sure they will be getting enough votes.
And I will be glad when they stop calling.

Irving · 11-04-2008, 10:52 PM

I wrote in Ron Paul, even though I know that he has no shot. Might as well make my disgust with the two party system known.

Kahunamahalo · 11-05-2008, 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shellie

I am voting and I an taking my children along with me so they can see what it was like to have a say in something. They are aware that things aren't as they learn in school, but I want to be an example for them to at least learn to seize whatever opportunity they get instead of being constantly apathetic and whiny about everything and letting others make decisions for them. This is one way to speak up; certainly no one is listening, but at least we are speaking up.

Will my vote matter? No. We are choosing different wings from the same bird, AGAIN. This state is leaning heavily to one side, so my one vote won't matter much. And both the candidates are paid for and propped up by NWO thugs. But maybe my kids one day will sit down at the dinner table twenty years from now and one will say "Do you remember when...?"

America is an experiment. A lot of garbage has gotten in the way of this experiment and has ruined it. But the experiment itself is not a failure. I choose to still believe in the ideas this country was built upon. Just because people became lazy and comfortable and didn't pay attention and stop what is happening doesn't mean that when this empire falls it can't be replanted. Our 200 years are up. This country can collapse into a heap, but the NATION (people with the same ideals) I hope will still be here. The land will still be here. If we forget it, or if we forget the strength and the courage the founding fathers had, then we are done for. The rug has been ripped out from under us, so now is our chance to stand up and fix what is wrong. The system is collapsing out from under us. I can't think of a better time to re-think and recreate the world we want to live in. But we have to take that world past our front doors. We have to get it out of our heads.

BTW, I'm writing in George Carlin. The guy may be dead but I can't think of anyone more worthy to be President, even if he thinks the experiment is a joke.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=pUM9l-obnrw

Good for you and well said. And for those who do not do their civic duty, you should have no say in anything about our country.

herbivore · 11-05-2008, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Kahunamahalo

Good for you and well said. And for those who do not do their civic duty, you should have no say in anything about our country.

on the contrary, those of you who do vote are the ones who voted in the politicians who got us into this heap, so you 'should have no say in anything about our country.' on the other hand, I did not vote or support the politicians that you do. do you still say i have no right to 'say anything about our country'?

Kahunamahalo · 11-05-2008, 01:04 AM

Damn right. Do not participate in the process, stand on the sidelines

herbivore · 11-05-2008, 01:09 AM

side lines of what? you don't participate in your local ku klux klan but i bet you have lots of criticism for them.

Shadowstalker · 11-05-2008, 01:08 AM

If one does not vote for the lesser of any evil, as far as i am concerned, They do have a right to complain cause why should I/they deal with Crapulance anyway.

Our civic duty is to make sure we have the right so called leader, and if neither are qualified, then don't vote.

None are qualified

Garbage is garbage, no what it looks like, it still stinks.

Kahunamahalo · 11-05-2008, 01:11 AM

Then write in a candidate. Every citizen has the duty, the obligation to voice their opinion with their vote, thats all we have. People get the government that they deserve. Go ahead, don't vote.

DoctorWho · 11-05-2008, 01:18 AM

I vote Green for President, Representative and Senator.
Bill "the Doctor"

11-04-2008, 09:30 PM	#1
herbivore Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: va, us Posts: 97	Re: Do not vote!!! i'm 21, a registered voter, but i didn't vote. the enlightenment has...enlightened me to the bigger and better picture. voting is useless, and voters are powerless. there is no law requiring our representatives to vote according to their respective state's popular vote for a reason. recently with everyone talking about voting and how proud they seem to be boasting for voting, i've found it particularly difficult to enlighten the sheeple who haven't woken up yet. they have it burned into their brains that every vote counts and their government works exactly how the TV and educational system tells them it does. noam chomsky goes into great detail of how the sheeple came to be in Manufacturing Consent. If you haven't seen it yet, it's time you should: http://video.google.com/videosearch?...nt&emb=1&aq=f#

11-04-2008, 09:36 PM	#2
Rocky_Shorz Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: USA Posts: 1,098	Re: Do not vote!!! I voted for the crispy cream donut and Starbucks... mmmmmmmmmm

11-04-2008, 09:53 PM	#5
herbivore Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: va, us Posts: 97	Re: Do not vote!!! you will always find problems when you mix people's personal life with their professional life. i've found it best to take a person's work for what it's worth and not let their supposed personal contradictions interfere with the positively great influence of their work.

11-04-2008, 10:33 PM	#6
Shellie Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 267	Re: Do not vote!!! I am voting and I an taking my children along with me so they can see what it was like to have a say in something. They are aware that things aren't as they learn in school, but I want to be an example for them to at least learn to seize whatever opportunity they get instead of being constantly apathetic and whiny about everything and letting others make decisions for them. This is one way to speak up; certainly no one is listening, but at least we are speaking up. Will my vote matter? No. We are choosing different wings from the same bird, AGAIN. This state is leaning heavily to one side, so my one vote won't matter much. And both the candidates are paid for and propped up by NWO thugs. But maybe my kids one day will sit down at the dinner table twenty years from now and one will say "Do you remember when...?" America is an experiment. A lot of garbage has gotten in the way of this experiment and has ruined it. But the experiment itself is not a failure. I choose to still believe in the ideas this country was built upon. Just because people became lazy and comfortable and didn't pay attention and stop what is happening doesn't mean that when this empire falls it can't be replanted. Our 200 years are up. This country can collapse into a heap, but the NATION (people with the same ideals) I hope will still be here. The land will still be here. If we forget it, or if we forget the strength and the courage the founding fathers had, then we are done for. The rug has been ripped out from under us, so now is our chance to stand up and fix what is wrong. The system is collapsing out from under us. I can't think of a better time to re-think and recreate the world we want to live in. But we have to take that world past our front doors. We have to get it out of our heads. BTW, I'm writing in George Carlin. The guy may be dead but I can't think of anyone more worthy to be President, even if he thinks the experiment is a joke. http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=pUM9l-obnrw Last edited by Shellie; 11-04-2008 at 10:44 PM.

11-04-2008, 10:35 PM	#7
Suriel Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Do not vote!!! I've been getting phone calls all day for campaigns to ask me to vote. And the ironic thing is if I wanted to vote, I can't. Because my wife is out of town and I will miss the deadline. Polls close at 7:30 p.m. Oh well, call it fate. But, I am sure they will be getting enough votes. And I will be glad when they stop calling.

11-04-2008, 10:52 PM	#8
Irving Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 71	Re: Do not vote!!! I wrote in Ron Paul, even though I know that he has no shot. Might as well make my disgust with the two party system known.

11-05-2008, 01:04 AM	#11
Kahunamahalo Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 181	Re: Do not vote!!! Damn right. Do not participate in the process, stand on the sidelines

11-05-2008, 01:09 AM	#12
herbivore Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: va, us Posts: 97	Re: Do not vote!!! side lines of what? you don't participate in your local ku klux klan but i bet you have lots of criticism for them.

11-05-2008, 01:08 AM	#13
Shadowstalker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Austin texas Posts: 281	Re: Do not vote!!! If one does not vote for the lesser of any evil, as far as i am concerned, They do have a right to complain cause why should I/they deal with Crapulance anyway. Our civic duty is to make sure we have the right so called leader, and if neither are qualified, then don't vote. None are qualified Garbage is garbage, no what it looks like, it still stinks. Last edited by Shadowstalker; 11-05-2008 at 01:13 AM.

11-05-2008, 01:11 AM	#14
Kahunamahalo Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 181	Re: Do not vote!!! Then write in a candidate. Every citizen has the duty, the obligation to voice their opinion with their vote, thats all we have. People get the government that they deserve. Go ahead, don't vote.

11-05-2008, 01:18 AM	#15
DoctorWho Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Central, IL Posts: 395	Re: Do not vote!!! I vote Green for President, Representative and Senator. Bill "the Doctor"