The 'Hidden Hand' a PROPER & 'POSITIVE' discussion of the material ONLY here!

AMA-GI · 10-29-2008, 01:13 AM

If i may give my opinion here, this infomation that Hidden_Hand has revealed is true to my knowledge. I do not know if he has just said what was written on the Ra books. But i know this to be true from a different source.

I think what we all have to realise is that Hidden_Hand has given some snippits of truth, in doing so he has made those not aware of the books of Ra some attention.

Nothing but good can come from this message, and this was the purpose of it.

How will we all fare in the comming test? Do not fear, that which you cannot control. But do not stand, and do nothing!

shijing · 10-29-2008, 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMA-GI

If i may give my opinion here, this infomation that Hidden_Hand has revealed is true to my knowledge. I do not know if he has just said what was written on the Ra books. But i know this to be true from a different source.

Nothing but good can come from this message, and this was the purpose of it.

Hi Ama-Gi -- Are you able/willing to disclose the different source that you have access to that confirms the Hidden_Hand data? I am curious to know -- it may be useful to the community!

Also, how do you reason that nothing but good can come from this message? I don't assume that it is entirely negative, but I am very wary of what I consider a common strategy, where truth is mixed in with non-truth in order to either (a) make the non-truth more credible or otherwise (b) discredit the original truth.

Best regards

NOWIAM · 10-29-2008, 05:59 AM

I wasn't satisfied with Hidden_Hands explanation for a "Negative Harvest".

Would someone care to elaborate further on this concept?

peterh · 10-29-2008, 03:33 PM

It means, that thes collect the profit of the seed of evil they but in the world. The royalty of the Tyranny never involve them self in evil actions, they work a s seducers and not a destroyers. The destruction is don by the seduced ones them self, in a act of selfdistraction. For every war, people volunteer as solders to kill the "enemy out side there", not understanding that the enemy is there one egoism bigotry hypocritical greed and arrogance. The royalty of evil only over you this possibilities and provoke the conflicts, and this is the seed of evil and the human race is the ground where this seed can only grow according to the nature and quality of the ground. If the human race would free them self from egoism and selfaddiction, this seed would die and not grow.

It is even the reason too for the occult con-tracts, wen they but in the open what they plane to do. If you do Nothing against it, or better do something constructive as a harmonic symbiotic replace for it, you agree in the actions to come, and you open the door for your self sacrifiction.

In this way the royalty is never enfolded them self in the action of evil, otherwise they would be involved in the negative effects them self. They only offer you a possibility, like a drug dealer only offer you the drug and it's op to you to take it and sacrifice your self in a chemical slavery, for a little chemical good feeling illusion. If you wake op in your misery, desperately searching for the next shoot, you do everything to pay the dealer for the next trip, or only silence the pain witch rise up as a symmetric counter reaction of the chemical illusion. The drug dealer get rich, but you choose your self to take the drug and destroy your self for a chemical lie. And you know it before, you saw the consequences it by many other people.

So to "Negative Harvest" means to gain in the material and occult energy from the seed of evil, the seducers plant in to the human race. All the drugs of self addictions will let the people destroy them self and each other for the benefit of the luciferians and there higher demons.

In this way they gain the energy from there seduces victims, they set free by destroying each other and them self, like a drug dealer whit his chemical slavery. And they can keep them self away from the problems, like the boss in the drug business can bay his kingdom fare away from the ghettos and the gang wars, where his money come from. Hi gain and build his luxury paradise, and the others act as demons in there own hell to feed him. They can so parasite the life energy to lift them self up over there victims and there ghettos, and move there parasitic tyranny kingdom in the next cycle, like a drug dealer his kingdom in the next generation.

This will fail in the moment, wen the human race in a critical mass is not seducible anymore, falling in one of the countless traps and drugs of egoism. In this moment the kingdom of the drug dealers collapse, and all the negativity wash them away they create them self. The drug dealer will sit for the rest of his life in prison because of mass murdering and enslaving and his empire ends, and the luciferian tyrants can no lift up them self in the next cycle and fall in the matter and there one darkness like there victims before. And our pain will be later there one destiny to complete the experience they and also we ask for, be acting as egoists.

So, they can only "Harvest" what we let grow in as.

seekur3 · 10-29-2008, 03:53 PM

I basically agree with Truthwillsetyoufree. There was a part in HH's ramblings about others works/writings/channelings were always less than 100% accurate. I think the same standard should be applied to HH.
YOU decide which 10% is deception.

shijing · 10-29-2008, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NOWIAM

I wasn't satisfied with Hidden_Hands explanation for a "Negative Harvest".

Would someone care to elaborate further on this concept?

Hi NowIAm -- I hope that this link will be of use to you regarding negative harvest, as well as the idea of harvest in general:

http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=902

giovonni · 10-29-2008, 05:48 AM

Greeting's to all,
I agree with those who have questioned the validity of this posted material. While, "The Hidden Hand" (from the ATS site), radiants many long accepted truths, with its very well conceived arguments. IT, also radiates false flags of deception; Especially, too those human beings who are just becomnig! Consider -this post as an exercise in discernment. If, it pushes you to learn more, it is a positive lesson. BUT, if it rings too well with logic- and has a chance in leaning your opinion, that "THEY" (the service to selves), are just "OUR" benevolent counters- shame on you!! It is quite obvious, this individual is arrogant, and fishing for sympathetic understanding; too a means in easing his conscious decision- for the path he choose. Especially from those of you, who might be overwhelmed by "OUR" (service to others) future prospects, for if, we fail to wake-up and act quickly -indeed- there will be a negative harvest! Note, it is not called the "Lucifer Soul Group" - for nothing.

My best to all my fellow like minded ones, giovonni

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10-29-2008, 01:13 AM	#1
AMA-GI Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 220	Re: The 'Hidden Hand' a PROPER & 'POSITIVE' discussion of the material ONLY here! If i may give my opinion here, this infomation that Hidden_Hand has revealed is true to my knowledge. I do not know if he has just said what was written on the Ra books. But i know this to be true from a different source. I think what we all have to realise is that Hidden_Hand has given some snippits of truth, in doing so he has made those not aware of the books of Ra some attention. Nothing but good can come from this message, and this was the purpose of it. How will we all fare in the comming test? Do not fear, that which you cannot control. But do not stand, and do nothing!

10-29-2008, 05:59 AM	#3
NOWIAM Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 41	Re: The 'Hidden Hand' a PROPER & 'POSITIVE' discussion of the material ONLY here! I wasn't satisfied with Hidden_Hands explanation for a "Negative Harvest". Would someone care to elaborate further on this concept? Last edited by NOWIAM; 10-29-2008 at 06:03 AM.

10-29-2008, 03:33 PM	#4
peterh Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 21	Re: The 'Hidden Hand' a PROPER & 'POSITIVE' discussion of the material ONLY here! It means, that thes collect the profit of the seed of evil they but in the world. The royalty of the Tyranny never involve them self in evil actions, they work a s seducers and not a destroyers. The destruction is don by the seduced ones them self, in a act of selfdistraction. For every war, people volunteer as solders to kill the "enemy out side there", not understanding that the enemy is there one egoism bigotry hypocritical greed and arrogance. The royalty of evil only over you this possibilities and provoke the conflicts, and this is the seed of evil and the human race is the ground where this seed can only grow according to the nature and quality of the ground. If the human race would free them self from egoism and selfaddiction, this seed would die and not grow. It is even the reason too for the occult con-tracts, wen they but in the open what they plane to do. If you do Nothing against it, or better do something constructive as a harmonic symbiotic replace for it, you agree in the actions to come, and you open the door for your self sacrifiction. In this way the royalty is never enfolded them self in the action of evil, otherwise they would be involved in the negative effects them self. They only offer you a possibility, like a drug dealer only offer you the drug and it's op to you to take it and sacrifice your self in a chemical slavery, for a little chemical good feeling illusion. If you wake op in your misery, desperately searching for the next shoot, you do everything to pay the dealer for the next trip, or only silence the pain witch rise up as a symmetric counter reaction of the chemical illusion. The drug dealer get rich, but you choose your self to take the drug and destroy your self for a chemical lie. And you know it before, you saw the consequences it by many other people. So to "Negative Harvest" means to gain in the material and occult energy from the seed of evil, the seducers plant in to the human race. All the drugs of self addictions will let the people destroy them self and each other for the benefit of the luciferians and there higher demons. In this way they gain the energy from there seduces victims, they set free by destroying each other and them self, like a drug dealer whit his chemical slavery. And they can keep them self away from the problems, like the boss in the drug business can bay his kingdom fare away from the ghettos and the gang wars, where his money come from. Hi gain and build his luxury paradise, and the others act as demons in there own hell to feed him. They can so parasite the life energy to lift them self up over there victims and there ghettos, and move there parasitic tyranny kingdom in the next cycle, like a drug dealer his kingdom in the next generation. This will fail in the moment, wen the human race in a critical mass is not seducible anymore, falling in one of the countless traps and drugs of egoism. In this moment the kingdom of the drug dealers collapse, and all the negativity wash them away they create them self. The drug dealer will sit for the rest of his life in prison because of mass murdering and enslaving and his empire ends, and the luciferian tyrants can no lift up them self in the next cycle and fall in the matter and there one darkness like there victims before. And our pain will be later there one destiny to complete the experience they and also we ask for, be acting as egoists. So, they can only "Harvest" what we let grow in as.

10-29-2008, 03:53 PM	#5
seekur3 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 30	Re: The 'Hidden Hand' a PROPER & 'POSITIVE' discussion of the material ONLY here! I basically agree with Truthwillsetyoufree. There was a part in HH's ramblings about others works/writings/channelings were always less than 100% accurate. I think the same standard should be applied to HH. YOU decide which 10% is deception.

10-29-2008, 05:48 AM	#7
giovonni Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: within my heart Posts: 1,209	Re: The 'Hidden Hand' a PROPER & 'POSITIVE' discussion of the material ONLY here! Greeting's to all, I agree with those who have questioned the validity of this posted material. While, "The Hidden Hand" (from the ATS site), radiants many long accepted truths, with its very well conceived arguments. IT, also radiates false flags of deception; Especially, too those human beings who are just becomnig! Consider -this post as an exercise in discernment. If, it pushes you to learn more, it is a positive lesson. BUT, if it rings too well with logic- and has a chance in leaning your opinion, that "THEY" (the service to selves), are just "OUR" benevolent counters- shame on you!! It is quite obvious, this individual is arrogant, and fishing for sympathetic understanding; too a means in easing his conscious decision- for the path he choose. Especially from those of you, who might be overwhelmed by "OUR" (service to others) future prospects, for if, we fail to wake-up and act quickly -indeed- there will be a negative harvest! Note, it is not called the "Lucifer Soul Group" - for nothing. My best to all my fellow like minded ones, giovonni Last edited by giovonni; 10-29-2008 at 10:35 PM.