If you are seeking 'salvation', evolution of your soul to the next density. Read this

[ctophil]

Originally Posted by TimeIsShort

Seperation, segregation, black, white, chineese, catholic, christian, geek, jock, goth, terrorist, idealist, politician, civilian.. We are all one, the illusion of polarities is in place as a school to teach us that there are no differences. We are one. I am you, you are me. And we are.

We live in a world so very full of speration. We are all different, or so one would think. Our differences range from the colour of our eyes to the colour of our skin. They range from the god we pray too, to the devil we worship.

If the world was a peacefull and a nice place we would not be here. Most of us would be somewhere equally as difficult and polarised.

Instead of wasting our time trying to change the world, we will only benifit from focusing our intention on changing ourselves. Because the only way anyone will ever get out of this dimensional reality is through changing themselves. To truly understand that we are not different, that we are all the same. That each of us is 'God', the creator expressing himself in a different and unique manner. There is no black, there is no white. There is no right, there is no wrong. There just is.

You are me, and I am you. And we are.

Project camelot, I put it too you. If you really want to help the souls incarnated on this planet then tell them the real reason why they are here. Tell them that they are incarnated onto this planet until they realise that seperation is an illusion, and the troubles we encounter in our society are manifestations of this illusion.

For those of you wanting 'too get off this rock' i can only give you guidance. There is a book of wisdom out there that should be the main focus of this project, that is of course considering project camelot has the evolution of light as the top priority.

I bring this message from the teachings of Ra. This is not me speaking, but the devine creator inherint in us all expressing love for all that is.

For many of you, this is your destiny

Namaste

So you are saying that we should be one with the "creation" (people like us) and not with the "creator?" Why do you separate yourself from the creator? Doesn't He know better than you, since after all, He created you? You talk about all this "separation" being a bad thing, but you end up leaving out the MOST IMPORTANT person, The Almighty!

It seems like a mass majority of people would rather follow and worship the "creature" (which means the one that was created) than the Creator Himself. The "philosophy" that you talked about seem to be very loving and peaceful on the outside, but won't get you anywhere without the Creator. Because He knows what is best for you. If you leave out Father Yahweh (which is the true name of the Almighty), then all you get is rebellion.

So my question is this....what is this "salvation" you seek? Can you really save yourself (I guess with the help of other people)? Do you get eternal life? Because frankly, eternal life is only through Yahushua (the Son of God), and then Yahweh will give you the gift of life. Life is ONLY through Him, not from other people, plants, animals, mother nature, or whatever.

-Phillip

[DreamFreedom]

TimeIsShort, I add my acknowledgement and thanks for your bringing this forward. The RA Material/Law of One can be a profound mirror IMO for those who may resonate.

I do believe all paths, whether long or short, winding or straight, lead to the One Infinite Creator, as there is nothing else. From deep within this illusion of separation this can be hard to see, and it can be unsettling to realize that we must navigate our own path. That is Free Will, free choice, and we cannot fail to choose. It's a gift that can't be "ungiven."

Most wonderfully, we have all the time we need to choose and choose again as we make our journey back to the One. But for people who feel ready to move to the next stage of the game beyond 3rd Density, taking personal responsibility for who we are--and this we are constantly choosing here in the illusion, every day, each moment--I believe is a fundamental catalyst in this Density of Choice.

It can be hard to remember, and I am thankful for reminders. The illusion is well-crafted to say the least. Be well.

[Jack]

Originally Posted by ctophil

So you are saying that we should be one with the "creation" (people like us) and not with the "creator?" Why do you separate yourself from the creator? Doesn't He know better than you, since after all, He created you? You talk about all this "separation" being a bad thing, but you end up leaving out the MOST IMPORTANT person, The Almighty!

You seem to have misunderstood my point as there is no corealation with your question/statement and my writing, please reiterate your point so that your question is more understandable.

I never once stated that I seperate myself from the creator, au contraire.

Originally Posted by ctophil

It seems like a mass majority of people would rather follow and worship the "creature" (which means the one that was created) than the Creator Himself. The "philosophy" that you talked about seem to be very loving and peaceful on the outside, but won't get you anywhere without the Creator. Because He knows what is best for you. If you leave out Father Yahweh (which is the true name of the Almighty), then all you get is rebellion.

Again, i do not understand the point you are trying to make, or where, if it does at all, fit into the subject matter of this thread.

Originally Posted by ctophil

So my question is this....what is this "salvation" you seek? Can you really save yourself (I guess with the help of other people)? Do you get eternal life? Because frankly, eternal life is only through Yahushua (the Son of God), and then Yahweh will give you the gift of life. Life is ONLY through Him, not from other people, plants, animals, mother nature, or whatever.

The word salvation is used simply as a reference point which indicates the evolution of spirit. No more, no less.

We do not 'get' eternal life, we are eternal life. And no, eternal life does not come to us through the son of god, every soul is granted with eternal life by default. There are no if's or buts, it is just that way.

I will leave our conversation at that, you appear to have misinterpreted much of what i have said and as a result any further elaboration is not only meaningless but may very well become deconstructive.

Namaste

[GregorArturo]

Originally Posted by ctophil

So you are saying that we should be one with the "creation" (people like us) and not with the "creator?" Why do you separate yourself from the creator? Doesn't He know better than you, since after all, He created you? You talk about all this "separation" being a bad thing, but you end up leaving out the MOST IMPORTANT person, The Almighty!

It seems like a mass majority of people would rather follow and worship the "creature" (which means the one that was created) than the Creator Himself. The "philosophy" that you talked about seem to be very loving and peaceful on the outside, but won't get you anywhere without the Creator. Because He knows what is best for you. If you leave out Father Yahweh (which is the true name of the Almighty), then all you get is rebellion.

So my question is this....what is this "salvation" you seek? Can you really save yourself (I guess with the help of other people)? Do you get eternal life? Because frankly, eternal life is only through Yahushua (the Son of God), and then Yahweh will give you the gift of life. Life is ONLY through Him, not from other people, plants, animals, mother nature, or whatever.

-Phillip

Right now, I am angry. And this is healthy anger. This is the anger toward where ever I go there are people like you who have NO RESPECT for anyone else and their beliefs, and not necessarily even beliefs, but just simple knowledge.

Now here's the moment at hand, which fits perfectly in with this thread, in that is to look at you, and see my own reflection. And god damnit, it's hard, it's really, really hard; to even imagine that I could be so blatantly ignorant. There are no names my friend in this reality. They are purely opinion of your existence. What is true is mathematics and logic. And numbers, regardless of their names, go on for infinity as does the soul! If you want truth from some god damn book, read Plato's Republic. It's 2600 years old, and is taught in every major institution on this planet and has for over a millenia. And within that, is you're so called universal truths. But I will try, I seriously will try to see me in you, and turn this anger into love. Good luck with your book.

It is unfortunate that this thread has caused some kind of religious debate. I actually recommend that this thread be in the spirituality section.

However, I do suggest that we respect each other and recognize that this thread has a positive message of love and hope for our civilization. Before this debate gets out of hand, I would like to redirect this thread back on the topic itself without unnecessary redicule.

Remember we are a community. Either way, we all have to live in this world together. And I would rather we live in respect to all life, creation, and the prime creator.

Peace,
Kevin (Suriel - Messenger of Light)

Originally Posted by TimeIsShort

Seperation, segregation, black, white, chineese, catholic, christian, geek, jock, goth, terrorist, idealist, politician, civilian.. We are all one, the illusion of polarities is in place as a school to teach us that there are no differences. We are one. I am you, you are me. And we are.

We live in a world so very full of speration. We are all different, or so one would think. Our differences range from the colour of our eyes to the colour of our skin. They range from the god we pray too, to the devil we worship.

We are not here to change the world, we have come here to change ourselves. And for this reason i believe project camelot although admirable in its intentions, fails to consider the bigger picture.

Project camelot is trying to help. Yet, it does not realise what true help means. True help means expressing to the people that we are here for our own good. We are here to learn, to evolve and continue our evolution onto the next density where our lessons expand onto those of love and compassion, of oneness.

If the world was a peacefull and a nice place we would not be here. Most of us would be somewhere equally as difficult and polarised.

Instead of wasting our time trying to change the world, we will only benifit from focusing our intention on changing ourselves. Because the only way anyone will ever get out of this dimensional reality is through changing themselves. To truly understand that we are not different, that we are all the same. That each of us is 'God', the creator expressing himself in a different and unique manner. There is no black, there is no white. There is no right, there is no wrong. There just is.

You are me, and I am you. And we are.

Project camelot, I put it too you. If you really want to help the souls incarnated on this planet then tell them the real reason why they are here. Tell them that they are incarnated onto this planet until they realise that seperation is an illusion, and the troubles we encounter in our society are manifestations of this illusion.

For those of you wanting 'too get off this rock' i can only give you guidance. There is a book of wisdom out there that should be the main focus of this project, that is of course considering project camelot has the evolution of light as the top priority.

I can not stress enough, the time is soon here to decide whom will and whom will not move onto the next stage of graduation. As unbelivable as this sounds, i know it will ring true for those few of you whom are truly ready.

This message will resonate with those who are at that stage of evolution that merits them to take notice. It is with the highest form of love for each one of you that I direct you now to your optional destiny. We have nothing but time, there is no rush. But for those of you struggling, your evolution can be hastend.

I bring this message from the teachings of Ra. This is not me speaking, but the devine creator inherint in us all expressing love for all that is.

For many of you, this is your destiny

Namaste

Originally Posted by ctophil

So you are saying that we should be one with the "creation" (people like us) and not with the "creator?" Why do you separate yourself from the creator?

How can the creator be separated from his creation?
Is not looking to an outside creator force a separation of yourself from the creator?

You'll get there, ctophil ... don't close your mind to the infinite possibilities that are the creator ... and you!

[Shellie]

We are all the same. It's the ideas that are different. The problem is that everyone sees the ideas as something real instead of something that is ethereal and nebulous, and constantly changing.

[GregorArturo]

I just wanted to say, if you haven't realized it, ctophil has been going to thread after thread posting his beliefs as the only truth, and directly contradicting every person's spriritual belief, usually in a negative fashion. I am sorry if I'm seemed too aggresive to some of you, but this is like the 3rd time I've gone at it with Philip.

Otherwise, I hope you all enjoy the Law of One. It is a wonderfully enlightening read.

[Shellie]

GregorArturo: stop letting him push your buttons.

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by GregorArturo

I just wanted to say, if you haven't realized it, ctophil has been going to thread after thread posting his beliefs as the only truth, and directly contradicting every person's spriritual belief, usually in a negative fashion. I am sorry if I'm seemed too aggresive to some of you, but this is like the 3rd time I've gone at it with Philip.

Otherwise, I hope you all enjoy the Law of One. It is a wonderfully enlightening read.

You observe a fact. However the law of allowance gets into play.

BTW I am moving this thread to the Spirituality forum.

[Jack]

Originally Posted by GregorArturo

I just wanted to say, if you haven't realized it, ctophil has been going to thread after thread posting his beliefs as the only truth, and directly contradicting every person's spriritual belief, usually in a negative fashion. I am sorry if I'm seemed too aggresive to some of you, but this is like the 3rd time I've gone at it with Philip.

Otherwise, I hope you all enjoy the Law of One. It is a wonderfully enlightening read.

Of course, we can all rely on readers discretion when it comes to a situation like this. He is free to speak his opinion, as it is the right of everyone. His failure to aknowledge the threads true message is only to his own disadvantage, and noone elses.

If this is of benifit to someone, then it has served its purpose.

Originally Posted by Anchor

BTW I am moving this thread to the Spirituality forum.

Thank you, that was a good call.

Namaste

[Dadrious]

Originally Posted by GregorArturo

I just wanted to say, if you haven't realized it, ctophil has been going to thread after thread posting his beliefs as the only truth, and directly contradicting every person's spriritual belief, usually in a negative fashion. I am sorry if I'm seemed too aggresive to some of you, but this is like the 3rd time I've gone at it with Philip.

Otherwise, I hope you all enjoy the Law of One. It is a wonderfully enlightening read.

You should just give in, get on your hands and knees and worship his volcano god already.

[MMe M]

Originally Posted by GregorArturo

I just wanted to say, if you haven't realized it, ctophil has been going to thread after thread posting his beliefs as the only truth, and directly contradicting every person's spriritual belief, usually in a negative fashion. I am sorry if I'm seemed too aggresive to some of you, but this is like the 3rd time I've gone at it with Philip.

Otherwise, I hope you all enjoy the Law of One. It is a wonderfully enlightening read.

I noticed. Its sad that people follow blindly without questioning anything. The post has validity. How can anyone argue the fact that we are here to learn?

[pilgrim]

There's no fool like an old fool.
I replied to a post not knowing that it concerned the 'channellings' of Ra and the law of one books...silly me.
This mistake would not have happened if people that have seen " The Light" did not suddenly change their way of speaking.
Can you not speak to people the same way you would as if you were working beside them or having a beer with them..whatever! Why does it have to change the way you word things.
I remember when I got the 'nod' twenty odd years ago, I was quoting bible text and walking around thinking, 'I know something you don't', and at the same time I knew I had a lot more to learn.
I was talking like a parrot, quoting other people, Deepak Chopra, Antony De Mello, et al..,in retrospect I think I was trying to convince myself. But funny enough, it was something I read in one of De Mello's books that put me right. He said, " Don't try to change".
So I didn't, and I did.


I forgot what I was saying.., but you know what I mean!
This is not meant to be contentious or offensive, so please don't take it as such.
All the best, Tom

[Oneworld719]

Remember when we all began on the path and everything we read, heard or embraced we thought 'WHOA, this is it' !! and then as we continued on the next thing was 'WHOA, this is it '!! until we finally realized that everything up until your now was just another piece to the big puzzle. and then we realized 'WHOA'.....I'm so happy every piece has been given to me to help form the whole. Keep on collecting those pieces, eventually there's a beautiful picture that will be whole.

[micjer]

Oneworld,

I know exactly what you are saying..

I started out on this journey 1 year ago. All I was doing was researching alternative energy. That led me to Steven Greer and the free energy thing then to UFO's and on it has gone.

As you say each piece of the puzzle falling into place.

But oh we have so much more to learn!!

[ctophil]

Originally Posted by MMe M

I noticed. Its sad that people follow blindly without questioning anything. The post has validity. How can anyone argue the fact that we are here to learn?

I agree. Some of you here say that I should have an open mind and that I should stop "preaching." But some of you end up doing the same thing. You don't open your mind and won't stop preaching about your beliefs. This is just the truth, not meant to attack anybody. It's just that much of mankind can't handle the truth. "Those who are blind can not lead the blind. Both will fall into a ditch." This is a paraphrase of Yahushua's words (those who don't know who he is by now, it's the Son of Yahweh). Do you realize that Yahushua is the ONLY one in the entire history of mankind who died and come back to life 3 days and 3 nights later? Yep, no one could do that. Yahweh raised him up. Buddha, Mohammad, Joseph Smith, Adam Weisphaut, Emperor Constantine, Nimrod (ok, he is still worshiped today by just about all nations via thousands of different names, but he is still dead), and many others are all still dead.

What I'm trying to say is why are you following this Egyptian "sun-god Ra?" Do you not realize that all religions (which are all false, by the way) all evolve from sun-worship one way or another? The "teachings of Ra" is no different. Would you rather follow the sun than the Son of Yahweh? Everybody, Yahweh Elohim raised Yahushua for a reason. To show that Yahushua is the way, the truth, and the life! No man can come to the Father but by him!! These two statements are very powerful, very complex, and very simple at the same time. I hope that what I have posted so far in various threads have shed some light to the Kingdom of Heaven.

-Phillip

[Allie]

For me there is no 'following' to be done

It matters not whether the 'leader' is Ra, Yeshua, Buddha - or enlightenment by any other name.

Surely what matters is not the leader per se, but how their words are recieved and translated into purposeful, decent, action?

What exactly did Yeshua want - that we 'believe' in him, or that we listen to what he said and effect a change in the world?

[ctophil]

Originally Posted by Allie

For me there is no 'following' to be done

It matters not whether the 'leader' is Ra, Yeshua, Buddha - or enlightenment by any other name.

Surely what matters is not the leader per se, but how their words are recieved and translated into purposeful, decent, action?

What exactly did Yeshua want - that we 'believe' in him, or that we listen to what he said and effect a change in the world?

Yahushua is our role model. Yahweh gave us His son almost two thousand years ago to help us better understand His will, His love, and His plan for the ultimate salvation of Earth. Folks, I tell you now, but you may not believe me. Yahushua is coming back again very soon. I estimate within 3 - 4 years from now. For the Great Tribulation has just started...times of GREAT TROUBLE AND SUFFERING in this physical world have begun. And you WILL see it here on Earth. The username for "TimeisShort" is actually telling you something.

When you believe who Yahushua happens to be, you, in effect, have already known who the Father is....your Creator, your Salvation, and your Life. For the Father and Yahushua are One in the spiritual sense. So when I talk about Yahweh, I also talk about Yahushua and vice versa. What is the most important thing in life? Your life, right? If you consider anything else that is more important than life itself, then there is something seriously wrong. But anyways, at this point in time, Yahushua is life. He has permission from the Heavenly Father to grant you eternal life. And it is a gift from Yahweh, not a privilege or a benefits package. People throughout the 6000 years of history have always seeked immortality or eternal life. Either it be a Buddhist monk (they seek the "total enlightenment or Nirvana" which they think leads to immortality) or a 97th degree Egyptian Mason performing his rituals, we all, by nature, want to live on. Don't we? I tell you, today, don't waste your time on anything but the Son of Yahweh. He holds your future and the future of this world. For the Kingdom of Yahweh will come here to Earth shortly. Be prepared to face your Maker.

-Phillip

[arcora]

Originally Posted by Allie

What exactly did Yeshua want - that we 'believe' in him, or that we listen to what he said and effect a change in the world?

Jesus wanted to prove to you that ascension is possible and give you detailed instructions on how to go about it yourself.

There is an expression:

"Those who can, do. Those who can't teach."

But in this case it should be:

"Those who can, do and teach. Those who can't, lie."

Whether you want to believe it or not, there are powerful forces who do not want you to ascend. Their weapon is the same one that the serpent used in Eden - the sweet tasting lie.

[Jack]

Originally Posted by Allie

For me there is no 'following' to be done

It matters not whether the 'leader' is Ra, Yeshua, Buddha - or enlightenment by any other name.

Surely what matters is not the leader per se, but how their words are recieved and translated into purposeful, decent, action?

What exactly did Yeshua want - that we 'believe' in him, or that we listen to what he said and effect a change in the world?

Very well put.

Truth is truth regardless of its source.

Enlightenment will not be gained from the following of religion or entities, enlightenment will be found through the aknowledgment of truth from whatever source it comes.

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

Originally Posted by TimeIsShort

Very well put.

Truth is truth regardless of its source.

Enlightenment will not be gained from the following of religion or entities, enlightenment will be found through the aknowledgment of truth from whatever source it comes.

I agree to this.

salute.

[arcora]

There is a spiritual war happening right now. Powerful forces are fighting for your soul.

It is sad when one of the self-described ruling elite prison guards posts on another forum telling people what they want to hear (pulled primarily from this Ra material) - And get's so much positive attention.

Then a messenger of God's word comes along bringing the truth which will set you free - and he is ridiculed.

Some people would prefer a sweet lie to a bitter truth.

[GregorArturo]

Originally Posted by arcora

Then a messenger of God's word comes along bringing the truth which will set you free - and he is ridiculed.

This is my response to this so called messenger of God's word.

Originally Posted by ctophil

Yahweh is not a respecter of persons so neither am I.

My response to that is one of supreme negativity and I'm going to leave it at just that.

[Dadrious]

Originally Posted by arcora

There is a spiritual war happening right now. Powerful forces are fighting for your soul.

It is sad when one of the self-described ruling elite prison guards posts on another forum telling people what they want to hear (pulled primarily from this Ra material) - And get's so much positive attention.

Then a messenger of God's word comes along bringing the truth which will set you free - and he is ridiculed.

Some people would prefer a sweet lie to a bitter truth.

"Messengers of god" pulling the victim card? Nothing new under the sun, eh? Someone who consistently attacks others ends up with the heat on them, and suddenly they're the poor victim. So many corpses lay on the path of these self described messengers of god...

So tiresome...their self-righteous noise.