Zacharia sitchin is not legitimate

10-24-2008, 09:28 PM

When people donot understand something, they will critize and discredit you!. Case and example with ZSitchin. With all information, you have to research and check it for yourself. I believe in what Sitchin is saying. Now i have a question for you!. Is there any other researchers prior to Sitchin with the same research, insight and info?

Brinty · 10-24-2008, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebula

When people donot understand something, they will critize and discredit you!. Case and example with ZSitchin. With all information, you have to research and check it for yourself. I believe in what Sitchin is saying. Now i have a question for you!. Is there any other researchers prior to Sitchin with the same research, insight and info?

On a somewhat different, but still earth shattering topic, may I put forward the name of the man who's books opened my eyes in the 1950s to a whole new way of looking at myths and legends. I speak of two of Imanuel Velikovski's books, "Worlds in Collision" and "Earth in Upheaval". The amount of research this guy did was mind blowing.

The first book is based on mythological tales and when it was published, he was of course ridiculed by the scientific community. This community forced his publishers to cease publication of Velikovski's book by threatening to take their (the scientist's) books and pamphlets, to another publisher.

As his first book had been criticised by science because it was based on "fairy tales", he chose to write his second book, "Earth in Upheaval", using irrefutable geological evidence of disasters having swept the earth. He brings in the concept of pole shift that also explains some of the "impossible" events reported in the Bible.

All in all, I think these two books of Velikovski's would be a worthwhile addition to any "truth seeker's" library.

capreycorn · 10-24-2008, 10:40 PM

sitchin`s ideas are great. but the books don`t "resonate" for me just as the "new testament" won`t.
to me this always means, that it is not what the author wanted to publish - it couldn`t be published without "changes".
.censorship is everywhere.

Doom · 10-24-2008, 10:40 PM

I'll second Worlds in Collision by Immanuel Velikovsky.

But Sitchin is still a phony and his information is still false, and as fictional as it gets.

Lots of us have researched it for ourself, and we don't all come to the same conclusions. We must respect other's opinions, not poo-poo them because we don't agree.

I understand and respect the position that Sitchin's data is true, I once studied it and believed it. But I also learnt to understand that part of the solution to the mess we are in, is to seperate fact from fiction. Seperate Information from Dis-information. When one seeks the truth, they subejct themselves to all forms of psyhcological warefare and counter-intelligece that are set up to project the real truth, and very few make it through mentally intact. And through my continued research I have identified Sitchin as a psyops.

10-31-2008, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebula

When people donot understand something, they will critize and discredit you!. Case and example with ZSitchin. With all information, you have to research and check it for yourself. I believe in what Sitchin is saying. Now i have a question for you!.

Well that is fine... but may I suggest that you ACTUALLY research what Sitcins DOES SAY?

I shall Quote Sitchin....

Nibiru settled into a clockwise orbit (equal to 3,600 orbits of Earth
around the Sun). Nibiru stabilized into a clockwise orbit, equal to
3,600 orbits of Earth around the Sun until 10, 900 B.C.E., when
Nibiru arrived earlier, due to increasing drift from Solaris of
Uranus. Uranus' gravity sped Nibiru's orbit. As a result of this
close encounter between Nibiru and Uranus, one of Nibiru's moons,
Miranda, was captured by and became a moon of Uranus as Nibiru and
Uranus pulled at each other. From 10,000B.C.E. on, Nibiru's
revolution sped to 3.450 Earth years; which makes Nibiru's next
return 2900A.D. rather than 2012 as predicated on the earlier 3600-
year orbit

Sitchin, Z., 2007, The End of Days, pages 315 - 317

Now if Bob Dean believes Sitchin and qoutes Sitchin... why does he say 2017ish when Sitchin says 2900 AD?

As you say RESEARCH... something I do well....

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Is there any other researchers prior to Sitchin with the same research, insight and info?

On Nibiru? No...

On Sumerian? Yes...

Mike Hieser says Nibiru means crossing point or gateway...

Perhaps indeed the Sumerians had access to a Stargate...

Now Sitchin based Nibiru on one cylinder seal..

Well I have several that show they had a stargate...

And there is no misinterpretation that it represents a gate...

Ea stands in his watery home the Apsu

Enki walks out of the watery gateway to the land.

Their is a good possibility that the Abyss in Revelations is indeed this same gateway...

Abydos
also known as Abtu or Abdju
Abzu
Sumerian name for the Abyss...
Abyss
Biblical watery gateway...

Abyss = Abzu = Abtu = Abdju = Abydos

From an excavation in Abydos

So there are other possible interpretations

But Sitchin sells books and has now a cult following...

Believe as you wish... but personally I 'favor' the Stargate concept...

And so does Giovanni di Paolo, a painter from 1445,
"Creation of the World & Expulsion from Paradise"

Doom · 10-31-2008, 05:41 AM

REgarding that painting from the 1500's, Even back then they were into puting out media to control the minds of the public, plays that were mandatory to attent, and lots and lots of art from painting to sculptures, they of course loved to scare the public with lots of gargoles. They have been creating myths of things that come from the skies for many ages. Though I can't say for sure about that particular painting, it's meanings etc., but I would have to suggest that does not have to do with a stargate.

If we read the Sumerian tablets, it’s no different from ancient India or Ra of Egypt where the God inseminates himself and all the rest of it, etc.. He has sex with the spirit of the air. It’s all to do with spirits, you understand, not people. There are no references to "stargates" in my opinion.

the engraving of the 'helicopter' and other 'craft' is acutally a picture that is a composite of two quite ordinary hieroglyphic texts laid over each other. The appearance of the helicopter on the artefact was actually an artefact itself, and was formed from two separate hieroglyphs.

Heretic · 10-31-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by doom

dis-info won't wake anyone up, sorry I cannot agree that it can wake someone up.
Well...the only way it can wake someone up, is if it makes someone aware there's something going on, and then they look into it for themselves.

From this I believe we think alike and we just mis-communicated because this is all I meant.

I am about to do some heavy research on all this myself because I have pretty much discounted Nibiru as garbage and Dean's testimony is urging me to look into it further.

didn't Burish discuss a stargate in Iraq? Same one maybe?

hmmm

My stance on all this? - undecided and seeking answers

just another paradigm to add to my collection

HAH!

Doom · 10-31-2008, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Heretic

From this I believe we think alike and we just mis-communicated because this is all I meant.

Agreed, my point is just that, more often than not, dis-info won't get the person to look more into whats behind everything, but will just get them looking deeper into the dis-info. But yes, it does happen that some people start with dis-info, but then with the relization that such deception is out there, will question the dis-info, and eventually actually wake up.

Heretic · 10-31-2008, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Doom

Agreed, my point is just that, more often than not, dis-info won't get the person to look more into whats behind everything, but will just get them looking deeper into the dis-info. But yes, it does happen that some people start with dis-info, but then with the relization that such deception is out there, will question the dis-info, and eventually actually wake up.

agreed

it greatly depends on the person and their thirst for knowledge, and how easily satisfied they are, I am never satisfied and perhaps I just couldn't see beyond that

peace

Connecting with Sauce · 10-31-2008, 09:28 PM

Is it possible that with time travelling UFO's some of these stone carving's could actually be sent back in time to be disinfo?

Just throwing in a curve ball there to this discussion.

Heretic · 10-31-2008, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Connecting with Sauce

Is it possible that with time travelling UFO's some of these stone carving's could actually be sent back in time to be disinfo?

Just throwing in a curve ball there to this discussion.

I have heard it said that a group did just that.

set our past up to support their benevolent presence so we would see them in the light they wish

I have heard alot of things though, and many of them conflict

interesting times eh?

Doom · 10-31-2008, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Connecting with Sauce

Is it possible that with time travelling UFO's some of these stone carving's could actually be sent back in time to be disinfo?

Just throwing in a curve ball there to this discussion.

I'm going to have to say no, because there are no time travelling UFOs.

If you look back to some of the links I gave, it explains in one particular instance how erich von daniken(author of Chariots of the Gods) paid some mexican children to do some of the "ancient astronaut" stone carvings etc. that he used as evidence.

Heretic · 10-31-2008, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Doom

I'm going to have to say no, because there are no time travelling UFOs.

have to differ with you there, and I am hoping you can change my mind. if you even believe in "infinity" then you have declared that all things exist, this means 2000 years ago, as well as 2000 years from now exists, right now. Instead of being there, you are here instead.

There is no time, just as when you look outside the window of a car, things seem to move, but it is only you and your perception that move. We are merely moving along an infinite tapestry and our choice determine where on this tapestry we decide to go next. The only "time" that exists is now.

Even though it is hidden from your view, it is also 2000 years ago right now. Just as it is 2000 in the future, right now. Your now just happens to be here instead of there, because you lack the technology to make it otherwise (accept for memory).

check out Wilcock's work on the relationship between space/time and time/space. Not to hard to wrap your mind around the basics. Time...is spatially related.

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Originally Posted by Visvasa144

FOR THE RECORD. Nibiru is a real. The ANNUNAKI do exist.

Judging by your "conviction" I assume you have more evidence than has been presented so far. I want to believe too, please help me with some more data found elsewhere beyond Sitchen and Dean if you have it. I really want to know!

Thanks

Visvasa144 · 11-01-2008, 08:15 AM

Judging by your "conviction" I assume you have more evidence than has been presented so far. I want to believe too, please help me with some more data found elsewhere beyond Sitchen and Dean if you have it. I really want to know!

Thanks[/QUOTE]
hello Heretic,
My data isn't on paper though its well documented by, let's say, third parties. if i say, "Shamanism". what do you think of? natives dancing around a fire? eagle feathers? sometimes you have to learn the ancient techniques that are still available to this day. their taught to anyone who is willing to learn. does that sound strange to you? i'm learning every single second, also.

if you check out my blog you'll get an understanding of why i say this.

http://heavenlycatalyst144.blogspot.com

check out Wilcock's work on the relationship between space/time and time/space. Not to hard to wrap your mind around the basics. Time...is spatially related.

"time is spatially related?" i missed that lesson that day. i think i was day dreaming when in class as i usually do. day dreaming is a right brain function. so is creativity. so is the divine feminine energy. have you heard of something called "fluid intelligence?" its when a person can link random things or patterns without having to go though the "order" of "things". kind of like when you get an intuitive feeling about something. so if you can... lets say, jump to get info. then why cant you jump dimensions. everyone does it all the time. they just call it memory. what about day dreaming. big brother calls it "reality engineering".
why do you think we've got millions of gifted kids diagnosed with ADD or ADHD. the gov. is trying to keep these gifted people from accessing parts of their brain that do amazing but normal things.
space and time is only applied in dense realities like 3rd dimension. their really is no such thing as space and time or time space. of course theirs rules when on this earth and in your body but they all go away when its just your consciousness which really isn't just your consciousness, its consciousness.
your the gatekeeper.

flouride, gmo's, etc. all to keep the human being from being. being a vegetarian helps also. dont eat anything that feels pain or fear. yeah plants feel a little pain but its not like an animal being slaughtered
while still alive and screaming and convulsing in pain. the meat that people eat is filled with that pain and fear or energy. if you eat meat then you are giving yourself free reign for the reptilians. they thrive on those emotions. we are love.

if you want to see a graphic documentary about how people get their meat watch this.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...30308142&hl=en

have you heard of the Mekaba? its that picture i have on my profile. its also called the chariot for good reason. you can go places.

seeds of devotion and enlightenment,
visvasa

Doom · 11-02-2008, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Heretic

have to differ with you there, and I am hoping you can change my mind. if you even believe in "infinity" then you have declared that all things exist, this means 2000 years ago, as well as 2000 years from now exists, right now. Instead of being there, you are here instead.

There is no time, just as when you look outside the window of a car, things seem to move, but it is only you and your perception that move. We are merely moving along an infinite tapestry and our choice determine where on this tapestry we decide to go next. The only "time" that exists is now.

Even though it is hidden from your view, it is also 2000 years ago right now. Just as it is 2000 in the future, right now. Your now just happens to be here instead of there, because you lack the technology to make it otherwise (accept for memory).

check out Wilcock's work on the relationship between space/time and time/space. Not to hard to wrap your mind around the basics. Time...is spatially related.

Sorry bud, already have looked into all that stuff. Doesn't change anything. I understand the science. There are no time travelling ufos. You can throw all the quantum science out there, even being able to prove the possibilty of it doesn't change the realtiy that there are no time travelling ufos. Just because something is possible doesn't mean it must be. BTW david wilcock is one of the last people on earth i'd take advice from.

Heretic · 11-02-2008, 10:01 PM

*shrug*

good times all

peace

elirien · 11-03-2008, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Doom

Sorry bud, already have looked into all that stuff. Doesn't change anything. I understand the science. There are no time travelling ufos. You can throw all the quantum science out there, even being able to prove the possibilty of it doesn't change the realtiy that there are no time travelling ufos. Just because something is possible doesn't mean it must be. BTW david wilcock is one of the last people on earth i'd take advice from.

I can't trust his channelings one bit but the research he gathers sometimes is good and new. I don't know about the UFO bit but why couldn't there be time travel? I know it is off topic but if you have a higher dimension then time travel should be a piece of cake shouldn't it (if you have the means of course)?

On the UFO part I can just say this: It is important what we describe as a UFO.

Antonia · 11-03-2008, 07:35 PM

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Perhaps indeed the Sumerians had access to a Stargate...

Now Sitchin based Nibiru on one cylinder seal..

Well I have several that show they had a stargate...

And there is no misinterpretation that it represents a gate...

I found this post not so long ago on www.ashtarcommand.net search Secrets of Amenti it is very ineresting and talks of a very sepecial stargate that has been much fought over and is about to be opened again....

Blog post link:
“Secrets of Amenti” evolution with the ET s , i would recomend to print it out! it long!

10-24-2008, 09:28 PM	#1
Nebula Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Zacharia sitchin is not legitimate When people donot understand something, they will critize and discredit you!. Case and example with ZSitchin. With all information, you have to research and check it for yourself. I believe in what Sitchin is saying. Now i have a question for you!. Is there any other researchers prior to Sitchin with the same research, insight and info?

10-24-2008, 10:40 PM	#3
capreycorn Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: switzerland Posts: 455	Re: Zacharia sitchin is not legitimate sitchin`s ideas are great. but the books don`t "resonate" for me just as the "new testament" won`t. to me this always means, that it is not what the author wanted to publish - it couldn`t be published without "changes". .censorship is everywhere. Last edited by capreycorn; 10-25-2008 at 04:45 AM.

10-24-2008, 10:40 PM	#4
Doom Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 146	Re: Zacharia sitchin is not legitimate I'll second Worlds in Collision by Immanuel Velikovsky. But Sitchin is still a phony and his information is still false, and as fictional as it gets. Lots of us have researched it for ourself, and we don't all come to the same conclusions. We must respect other's opinions, not poo-poo them because we don't agree. I understand and respect the position that Sitchin's data is true, I once studied it and believed it. But I also learnt to understand that part of the solution to the mess we are in, is to seperate fact from fiction. Seperate Information from Dis-information. When one seeks the truth, they subejct themselves to all forms of psyhcological warefare and counter-intelligece that are set up to project the real truth, and very few make it through mentally intact. And through my continued research I have identified Sitchin as a psyops. Last edited by Doom; 10-24-2008 at 11:07 PM.

10-31-2008, 05:41 AM	#6
Doom Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 146	Re: Zacharia sitchin is not legitimate REgarding that painting from the 1500's, Even back then they were into puting out media to control the minds of the public, plays that were mandatory to attent, and lots and lots of art from painting to sculptures, they of course loved to scare the public with lots of gargoles. They have been creating myths of things that come from the skies for many ages. Though I can't say for sure about that particular painting, it's meanings etc., but I would have to suggest that does not have to do with a stargate. If we read the Sumerian tablets, it’s no different from ancient India or Ra of Egypt where the God inseminates himself and all the rest of it, etc.. He has sex with the spirit of the air. It’s all to do with spirits, you understand, not people. There are no references to "stargates" in my opinion. the engraving of the 'helicopter' and other 'craft' is acutally a picture that is a composite of two quite ordinary hieroglyphic texts laid over each other. The appearance of the helicopter on the artefact was actually an artefact itself, and was formed from two separate hieroglyphs. Last edited by Doom; 10-31-2008 at 05:54 AM.

10-31-2008, 09:28 PM	#10
Connecting with Sauce Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Chelmsford, Essex Posts: 650	Re: Zacharia sitchin is not legitimate Is it possible that with time travelling UFO's some of these stone carving's could actually be sent back in time to be disinfo? Just throwing in a curve ball there to this discussion.

11-01-2008, 08:15 AM	#14
Visvasa144 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Southern California Posts: 121	Re: Zacharia sitchin is not legitimate Judging by your "conviction" I assume you have more evidence than has been presented so far. I want to believe too, please help me with some more data found elsewhere beyond Sitchen and Dean if you have it. I really want to know! Thanks[/QUOTE] hello Heretic, My data isn't on paper though its well documented by, let's say, third parties. if i say, "Shamanism". what do you think of? natives dancing around a fire? eagle feathers? sometimes you have to learn the ancient techniques that are still available to this day. their taught to anyone who is willing to learn. does that sound strange to you? i'm learning every single second, also. if you check out my blog you'll get an understanding of why i say this. http://heavenlycatalyst144.blogspot.com check out Wilcock's work on the relationship between space/time and time/space. Not to hard to wrap your mind around the basics. Time...is spatially related. "time is spatially related?" i missed that lesson that day. i think i was day dreaming when in class as i usually do. day dreaming is a right brain function. so is creativity. so is the divine feminine energy. have you heard of something called "fluid intelligence?" its when a person can link random things or patterns without having to go though the "order" of "things". kind of like when you get an intuitive feeling about something. so if you can... lets say, jump to get info. then why cant you jump dimensions. everyone does it all the time. they just call it memory. what about day dreaming. big brother calls it "reality engineering". why do you think we've got millions of gifted kids diagnosed with ADD or ADHD. the gov. is trying to keep these gifted people from accessing parts of their brain that do amazing but normal things. space and time is only applied in dense realities like 3rd dimension. their really is no such thing as space and time or time space. of course theirs rules when on this earth and in your body but they all go away when its just your consciousness which really isn't just your consciousness, its consciousness. your the gatekeeper. flouride, gmo's, etc. all to keep the human being from being. being a vegetarian helps also. dont eat anything that feels pain or fear. yeah plants feel a little pain but its not like an animal being slaughtered while still alive and screaming and convulsing in pain. the meat that people eat is filled with that pain and fear or energy. if you eat meat then you are giving yourself free reign for the reptilians. they thrive on those emotions. we are love. if you want to see a graphic documentary about how people get their meat watch this. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...30308142&hl=en have you heard of the Mekaba? its that picture i have on my profile. its also called the chariot for good reason. you can go places. seeds of devotion and enlightenment, visvasa Last edited by Visvasa144; 11-01-2008 at 08:53 AM.

11-02-2008, 10:01 PM	#16
Heretic Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Now Posts: 371	Re: Zacharia sitchin is not legitimate shrug good times all peace

11-03-2008, 07:35 PM	#18
Antonia Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Dublin , Ireland Posts: 341	Re: Zacharia sitchin is not legitimate [ Perhaps indeed the Sumerians had access to a Stargate... Now Sitchin based Nibiru on one cylinder seal.. Well I have several that show they had a stargate... And there is no misinterpretation that it represents a gate... I found this post not so long ago on www.ashtarcommand.net search Secrets of Amenti it is very ineresting and talks of a very sepecial stargate that has been much fought over and is about to be opened again.... Blog post link: “Secrets of Amenti” evolution with the ET s , i would recomend to print it out! it long! Last edited by Antonia; 11-03-2008 at 07:49 PM.