*consider this*

[quest]

Originally Posted by Frank Samuel

Quest just asking, have you started a group or are you starting a group ?
Two basic things needed is time and money . Since the recent rise of gas prices went to the sky Hydrogen became an option,not very expensive at work 50 % of my coworkers where informed, (about 200 people).Only two converted the cars to hydrogen. So just informing people sometimes is not a solution creating communities is a bit more effective.
survival is not guarantee but that does not mean we can't try.

Hi Frank, about groups, I’ve been of and on involved in eco-projects for quite some years now. and luckily i live in an aria with a few organic farmers with health stores nearby and befriended with them. so i guess a kind of 'groups' have grown in a natural way over the years. i try to bike as much as possible, but i always had converted the cars i owned, so that they could run on natural gas. of course not a first choice but anyways.
the idea of focussing on survival doesn’t appeal to me though, i rather work on alternatives and on my mind settings, personal growth etc. i more and more realise that a focused mind is a powerful tool, so why not skip the survival and go for that sustainable world right away.

Originally Posted by whitecrow

Well I for one hadn't seen that post until just now. It's darn interesting, as a matter of fact. I think most folks aren't ready to contemplate such a commitment to the unknown at this time...but it'll come. For you and those others who ARE ready...It's great that you're collecting the information because it will be needed, I'm quite sure.

Hi Whitecrow, i thought this way of thinking, 'transition initiatives' would fit perfectly into avalons philosophies, so i was surprised no one responded.
i did send the site and article to Bill and Kerry, but i actually doubt if they will make an effort to interview Rob Hopkins. These kind of projects can make a substantial difference. and i do not have that feeling with listening to stories about greys that may or may not enter this or that timeline in case etc etc. of course fascinating to listen to, but you just don’t grow potatoes that way.

[whitecrow]

Originally Posted by quest

Hi Whitecrow, i thought this way of thinking, 'transition initiatives' would fit perfectly into avalons philosophies, so i was surprised no one responded.
i did send the site and article to Bill and Kerry, but i actually doubt if they will make an effort to interview Rob Hopkins. These kind of projects can make a substantial difference. and i do not have that feeling with listening to stories about greys that may or may not enter this or that timeline in case etc etc. of course fascinating to listen to, but you just don’t grow potatoes that way.

First of all, kudos to you for being proactive!

It doesn't matter if the rank and file at Avalon or any other part of the world rise up and follow. That at least is not my goal. We're planting seeds, is all; not all of them will sprout. Those that do, it's our responsibility to water.

I does strike me how the community has sort of split into a couple of major streams of thought, maybe in the broadest sense they could be called the survivalist threads and the ET threads. I don't fully belong to either of those, and I fully realize that it's a vast oversimplification. But I do consider the whole ET thing to be mostly a distraction from more serious matters, and to that extent I wonder if it's really just a big psy-op. As convinced as I am that offworlders do exist, I am far from convinced that they have anything at all to do with the current shift in earth affairs.

If I'm wrong, it won't be the first time. Meanwhile, I'm staying focused on what I personally observe, experience, learn and can teach.

[quest]

Originally Posted by whitecrow

It doesn't matter if the rank and file at Avalon or any other part of the world rise up and follow. That at least is not my goal. We're planting seeds, is all; not all of them will sprout. Those that do, it's our responsibility to water.

thanks, for reminding me not to have expectations from anyone except myself.

Originally Posted by whitecrow

But I do consider the whole ET thing to be mostly a distraction from more serious matters, and to that extent I wonder if it's really just a big psy-op.

yes, i do not only wonder if the et-thing is a psy-op, but all the panic stories that can be found on the web. so much distraction, time spent on fora with the arguing etc.

Originally Posted by whitecrow

As convinced as I am that offworlders do exist, I am far from convinced that they have anything at all to do with the current shift in earth affairs.

personally i am especially interested in internal e.t. stuff. since i believe we’re galactic beings, i get a lot of inspiration from within, and to me its a challenge to get this stuff out and find ways for practical use.

Originally Posted by whitecrow

If I'm wrong, it won't be the first time. Meanwhile, I'm staying focused on what I personally observe, experience, learn and can teach.

good idea, and thank you for your inspiring posts on this site.