Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock

[omnicentricity]

Originally Posted by feeler

The so-called free will of the majority is formed or based upon the many years of deceit, disinformation, mind-control techniques, alien intervention (both direct and indirect), and manipulation. The “will” is hardly qualified to be considered as “free.” IMO, what we have is slaved will. What I am hoping to see is the slaved will is freed at some point in time. What’s your take?

Forgive me but I don't really understand what your intention was in creating this thread. What are you saying exactly? That choice doesn't exist?

And in regards to the title of this thread - to say that the Oct 14th event was "cancelled" is to assume that it was anything even remotely close to a "scheduled event" to begin with. DW didn't say it was cancelled, he he was offering the perspective from the Law of One teachings about the implications of free will. The feasibility of aliens "just showing up" without being unanimously invited by humanity would not be congruent with other laws and rules of what it means to be a sovereign being.

Your ideas of free will are obviously very influenced by the fact that you are choosing to perceive and become preoccupied with too many of the constrictive parameters of your experience. The only reason those parameters are even there for you to see is to deepen your understanding of the playing field which you are co-creating. If you are looking out into Universe and seeing all the ways which you are held back and in which you are unable to do what you choose, guess what? This is yet another manifestation of victim consciousness. When you are degenerating your Self to experience victim consciousness, then you will tned to focus on the "disempowering stuff", no matter where you look. Nothing in your life will ever change if you are operating from there.

If this is the way you are choosing to perceive your experience, you could say that you have allowed "them" to win.

I would encourage you to examine the ways in which you are choosing to integrate all the information you have available, and shifting your perception to seeing all the ways in which you are empowered, informed and therefore able to acheive a Self-actualized state of being.

Ultimately, your experience of reality and the states of being you contribute (and thereby make available to others) actually IS genuine free will. And this is distinctly different than a paradigm where a "so-called" mental construct of "free will" doesn't genuinely exist simply because the world is more complex than you may have thought in the past. It all fundamentally comes down to choice.

I don't even know if this is approaching and answer to what you are seeking, but the concepts you are expressing could perhaps be refined a bit to derive a more precise question.

Fundamentally, I think that at some level, it's likely you are asking a question that does come down to CHOICE. My take is that marginalizing my ability to choose is not the type of being I choose to be. I still put my conscious focus giving all that I am to everything else, as often as I can remember to do so.

[feeler]

Originally Posted by omnicentricity

The feasibility of aliens "just showing up" without being unanimously invited by humanity would not be congruent with other laws and rules of what it means to be a sovereign being.

The chance of UFO being “unanimously invited by humanity” is next to nil. You are in the minority. The next 9/11 (if the power that be so choose) will crystallize the “victim consciousness” among the mass for good. This thread is to discuss whether the respect to the populace’s “free will” is a logical reason or explanation for a mass sighting not to take place on Oct 14.

[omnicentricity]

Originally Posted by feeler

The chance of UFO being “unanimously invited by humanity” is next to nil. You are in the minority.

Um - I was agreeing with DW's assertion that the possibility of a mass sighting was nil to begin with. I don't know what minority that puts me in...

When I first saw this youtube video, I laughed and gave it the same level of consideration that I would to any random silly video, like someone getting whacked in the balls with a whiffle bat. It made me giggle for about 10 seconds and then I moved on to something else in my life. I don't really know how that makes me a minority LOL. Could you please elaborate?

The next 9/11 (if the power that be so choose) will crystallize the “victim consciousness” among the mass for good.

Well, that is quite a victimized understanding to be projecting. Are you saying that another 9/11 type event (assuming that one manifests) would indisputably solidify victim thinking for YOU? Because speaking for myself, I KNOW that anything that happens around me, catastrophe or miracle, will only serve to awaken my essence even more, because I am the one who chooses to respond to external events. I don't speak for the rest of humanity because I am not arrogant enough to think that everyone responds to everything the same way I would.

I'm sorry you view the game as being otherwise, but again, that is your choice to see what you want. I would argue that you are leaving out a massive part of the picture to derive your conclusion, but we are all moving towards creating conscious cognition of all the elements in play, whatever stage of awareness we happen to have evolved thus far.

I do not perceive the same constipated reality that you are expressing, but then again I don't really choose to think in limited, pejorative absolutes. For what it's worth, I have not found such a worldview to be an effective basis for constructive thinking or communicating with others

This thread is to discuss whether the respect to the populace’s “free will” is a logical reason or explanation for a mass sighting not to take place on Oct 14.

Ok, so what is it you are discussing then? What is your position?

Because it appears as though you are basically saying that:

- October 14th was supposed to occur according to a highly credible source
- you think David Wilcock offered a poor explanation for why the sighting didn't happen, because
- you think free will either does not exist or is a misunderstood concept, due to many external factors that you choose to see as more significant than your own choices

Is this correct or am I way off base here? Please help me understand, as this ineffective crosstalking of our last two posts is not really something I enjoy. Please remember we are friends here, seeking to enlighten each other

[feeler]

Originally Posted by omnicentricity

Because it appears as though you are basically saying that:

- October 14th was supposed to occur according to a highly credible source
- you think David Wilcock offered a poor explanation for why the sighting didn't happen, because
- you think free will either does not exist or is a misunderstood concept, due to many external factors that you choose to see as more significant than your own choices

Is this correct or am I way off base here? Please help me understand, as this ineffective crosstalking of our last two posts is not really something I enjoy. Please remember we are friends here, seeking to enlighten each other

omnicentricity

1. Whether the source is credible or otherwise is purely subjective.
2. David Wilcock offered an explanation that, in my opinion, is not entirely complete (hence this thread).
3. My argument here is not whether the "will" is "free" but whether the "will" is "shaped" or "guided" (or misguided for that matter).


The issue at hand, as described by Alex Collier:

"As far as our free will as compared to the free will of other races, it is one and the same. It's just that we don't as a population have the realization of the power of our collective free will. We don't totally realize the sovereignty that our free will gives us. That is why they are manipulating us through belief systems in order to try and get is to relinquish our free will, by coercing us to use our own free will against us and ask them to come down here and control us. It's a choice." - Alex Collier

Additional reference from a differenct source (note: the key words here are "undermine" and "lack" in regards to the free will):

Coercion and manipulation undermine free will, on this view, in virtue of making agents not reasons-responsive. If Allison has been brainwashed to walk the dog at a certain time, then even if she were to turn on the news and sees that it is snowing, she would attempt to walk the dog despite having good reasons not to. Thus, manipulated agents are not reasons-responsive, and in virtue of this lack free will. [See Fischer and Ravizza (1998) for one of the primary reasons-responsive views of free will.]

[capreycorn]

just a thought..
the 14th october anouncements mentioned a 2000miles big spaceship next to spaceship earth? 2000miles = our moon (the biggest satellite circling earth)! (remember the moon of The Truman Show..) 14th october was said to be the strongest full moon ....

[feeler]

Originally Posted by capreycorn

just a thought..
the 14th october anouncements mentioned a 2000miles big spaceship next to spaceship earth? 2000miles = our moon (the biggest satellite circling earth)! (remember the moon of The Truman Show..) 14th october was said to be the strongest full moon ....

What a perceptive observation capreycorn. It's here all along. It only takes a 180 degree rotation of the satellite for the others to realize what it really is. -feeler

[Darkshade]

Originally Posted by capreycorn

just a thought..
the 14th october anouncements mentioned a 2000miles big spaceship next to spaceship earth? 2000miles = our moon (the biggest satellite circling earth)! (remember the moon of The Truman Show..) 14th october was said to be the strongest full moon ....

I've been thinking about the same thing. The spaceship was also supposed to be visible for 3 days. From what I found out October 14 was a 3 day full moon cycle. Now that's two "coincidents"

[Squeptikal]

Originally Posted by feeler

The chance of UFO being “unanimously invited by humanity” is next to nil. You are in the minority. The next 9/11 (if the power that be so choose) will crystallize the “victim consciousness” among the mass for good. This thread is to discuss whether the respect to the populace’s “free will” is a logical reason or explanation for a mass sighting not to take place on Oct 14.

Good point, now to the crux: Did you believe it was even possible to happen? Doesn't seem like it. When the Blossom announcement came, there was so much scoffing and indignation that many were revealed (to themselves) to be NOT READY for such a significant event.

Being hopeful isn't enough to create reality - you have to learn to get out of your own way to experience it.

[feeler]

Originally Posted by Squeptikal

Good point, now to the crux: Did you believe it was even possible to happen? Doesn't seem like it. When the Blossom announcement came, there was so much scoffing and indignation that many were revealed (to themselves) to be NOT READY for such a significant event.

Being hopeful isn't enough to create reality - you have to learn to get out of your own way to experience it.

Squeptikal

I didn't believe with 100% certainty that it would happen, but I certainly believe that it was possible. I was ready. My quote:

Originally Posted by feeler

Ummm... Actually I'd like those who believe the Adam-&-Eve story to see the ET.

A later quote expressing my neutrality towards Blossom:

Originally Posted by feeler

1. Whether the source is credible or otherwise is purely subjective.

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by feeler

I am quite sure that our unconscious mind (i.e. our higher selves) do not "will" the alien abductions of children.

Re-posting...

- It's NOT the free will of the children to be kidnapped and be the reptilians’ daily supplements.
- It IS the free will of the vast majority of human adults to see the children of the earth grow up and have happy childhood.

This is a blatant violation of our free will. This is hypocrisy. -feeler

The problem with your argument is that you dont seem to compare like with like. Just because the forces of darkness "get away" with free-will infringment, doesn't mean that the forces of light are exempt from the rules.

Emotive arguments that bring children suffering into it are all well and good, but you simply throw up even more barriers to being able to see the big picture.

A..

[feeler]

Originally Posted by Anchor

The problem with your argument is that you dont seem to compare like with like. Just because the forces of darkness "get away" with free-will infringment, doesn't mean that the forces of light are exempt from the rules.

Emotive arguments that bring children suffering into it are all well and good, but you simply throw up even more barriers to being able to see the big picture.

A..

Anchor

If I see a person lies to a child, encouraging the child to engage in a dangerous/deadly act, I will show myself and tell the truth to the child. I will not hide in a corner and "respect the child's free will" thinking I might scare the child.

Am I missing the big picture, the grand scheme of things? Please discuss. -feeler

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by feeler

If I see a person lies to a child, encouraging the child to engage in a dangerous/deadly act, I will show myself and tell the truth to the child. I will not hide in a corner and "respect the child's free will" thinking I might scare the child.

Depending on the circumstances that would likely be your duty. Children do deserve special care and attention.

I wish you had been around to sort out my parents about that whole Santa Claus/Father Christmas thing. It wasn't until being massively humiliated at school I realised that I was the last one of my group to know the truth AND that I had been lied to. Oh the pain... It took years to get over that they had lied to me.

Am I missing the big picture, the grand scheme of things? Please discuss. -feeler

Since you are asking me, I will answer - but I feel that my answer may be perceived as challenging or condescending - I dont mean it. This is abstract debate, I dont claim any kind of superiority in it, quite apart from the fact that I might even be wrong

Basically, I think you are certainly missing some of the big picture. You seem overly concerned with the day to day drama of the 3D consensus reality in which we find ourselves. By grounding your arguments therein, you cannot see the wood for the trees!

Taking your example further - If I see a child (or anyone else) being assaulted in some manner (not necessarily physical), then I will be likely to intervene. However, the manner of my intervention will be guided both by instinct and intuition. It might be physical intervention, but it could simply be the manifesting of love, protection, peace and calm. Either way I may end up praying for the abuser to see the light, and for the child to be protected whilst the complex catalyst it is experiencing works its way through.

If it is a really serious emergency, I might be calling for some heavy duty backup either in the form of 3D police, or a few legions of angels!

We all, without exception, have that power.

That is why we are going to prevail.

--

For the highest and best good of all, may the light of love be manifest in the hearts of all humans, and may peace descend on earth.

A..

[feeler]

Originally Posted by Anchor

I wish you had been around to sort out my parents about that whole Santa Claus/Father Christmas thing. It wasn't until being massively humiliated at school I realised that I was the last one of my group to know the truth AND that I had been lied to. Oh the pain... It took years to get over that they had lied to me.
A..

Anchor

I envy you. It appears that you received gifts from Santa Claus longer than most others in the same school. I absolutely respect your parents' free will of Service To Others. -feeler

[Squeptikal]

[QUOTE=feeler;55042]Squeptikal

I didn't believe with 100% certainty that it would happen, but I certainly believe that it was possible. I was ready. My quote:

Neither did I believe that it would happen. What I was trying to say was that this is why I didn't believe - the rest of the crowd made such a blasphemy out of it that believing was tantamount to moon-bat stupidity. Emotions were blocking the potential and that, combined with logic, made manifest the impossibility of it. Hoping wasn't powerful enough to overcome the self defense mechanism we've been programmed to obey foremost.

I'm not sure that I'm ready. I've seen things before that defied my logical explanation and recently, my young son and I were witness to metallic balls at Norfolk, VA airport. Having his calm, rational observation matching my own now stands as my own individual realization that these things DO exist.

Since we were at an airport watching the skies for aircraft, our expectation was to see things in the sky. What we weren't expecting was that we would witness aerobatic impossibility performed by two non-aircraft. Since there was no threat nor any emotion to cause our automatic self-protect mechanism to kick in and prevent us from witnessing the sighting, we allowed ourselves to believe in what was there.

Quite possibly this is why out of multiple potential witnesses only some actually report seeing something like this which challenges our normally comfortable understanding of what we can see. They were not only ready, they weren't threatened into filtering it by their own minds.

This is one of the reasons that pilots, astronauts, and air show spectators, I believe, see things more frequently. Besides the obvious requirement of looking into the sky as a part of their focus, they expect to see other things in the sky. Perhaps there it a threshold of characteristics that cause a self-defense filtering of this observable phenomena.

This same threshold might also exist for lack of a better term as the reason that "we aren't ready" to collectively witness mother-ship UFO's. Consequentially, we remain held down by the PTB who's control system might be fatally struck by such a mass sighting.

[King Lear]

David Wilcock

Yes he's in the know

People stop to listening to such a fraud!
He knows nothing, just making money in constructing an aura of a "prophet" or something around him.

But his historic knowledge is sooo minor that I hardly can believe that such a person got a college degree.


And just looking a bit similar to a deceased socalled "prophet" does make him a prophet, otherwise Elvis has come to earth in the bodies of thousands of peoples. Because there are so many Elvis inpersonators who look really similar to the king.

And besides, there are no proofs that Cayce was one, nothing he said came to reality.

Folks stop being credulous!






Hopefully this was not "too offensive" for you "love-spreaders" out there - just a critique.

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by King Lear

Hopefully this was not "too offensive" for you "love-spreaders" out there - just a critique.

It certainly was needlessly offensive, if only mildly so. You bag him with a few subjective and insulting statements for the sake of making one argument.

However, I like your post for it is redeemed in that one argument! I agree Regardless of who is the messenger or what qualifications/history they have, no-ones word should be trusted unconditionally - with the single exception of ones own self.

Thanks!

A..

[Rocky_Shorz]

Originally Posted by King Lear

David Wilcock

Yes he's in the know

People stop to listening to such a fraud! He knows nothing, just making money in constructing an aura of a "prophet" or something around him.

Hopefully this was not "too offensive" for you "love-spreaders" out there - just a critique.

Take it from someone that delivered 3 messages from the big guy each followed by a disaster of biblical proportions...

Telepathic Communications are real...
Mediums that contact Spirits are real...

being a messenger in todays world is tough, being a Prophet, impossible...

[capreycorn]

i think that only pure and lasting empathy invites the aliens. fear, stress, grudge or being scared of aliens as well as hostility are all NO-GOs.

If you`re inclined to worry, society sure has given you a good selection.
-Mark Twain-

From what I've seen and read on Wilcock's website, by far the most interesting stuff is the 'consciousness science' he has gathered and presented which seems to definitely prove the existance of a homogenous field of consciousness being at the root of all manifestation. His three free e-books are of a world class level of rigorously backed up and referenced science, literally proving that the material universe is a function of and maniifestation of intelligent awareness. Thus, we have a rare opportunity to experience compelling scientific evidence that our collective intent, if harnessed, is capable of building any world we choose, and in fact has always done so.

Wilcock's website is huuge, and issues of prophecy don't seem to reflect his raison d'etre. I feel the main message from Wilcock to us all is that the latent power of man the creator is much greater than most of us have realized - and this is the greatest secret of the PTB.

Whilst we endulge in endless speculation regarding the occluded, mystery filled issues of control groups, UFOs, and future timelines, the PTB isn't that concerned, as we are playing safely in an area of reaction and anxiety. To maintain an attitude of us vs. them necessarily keeps us down, and the dance we have danced from the beginning shows no sign of abatement. The PTB are in truth in power positions because they represent our own 'dark side' - and as any person who hasn't yet faced their own dark side is subject to the reactivity and self limitation of the parts of themselves which are not exposed to the light and integrated, we are all as a group faced with the same situation.

The Ra of Law of One fame once offered the tidbit that in order for one man to move a mountain using purely mental means, he would have to be purified of all distortion. Yet a large assemblage of persons acting in concert could hold a significant degree of distortion yet be able to move said mountain. I believe this speaks to the situation at hand, and the latent power of man.

The main game of the PTB is keeping us from finding out about our power to potentially instantly choose to use the power of consciousness to move into a place where they are totally irrelevent as a negative force, and in fact to transform this world into the next stage of evolution - a place where love rules. Many will tell you this is pie in the sky, and for many it is. Yet for those interested in knowing the absolute be-all and end-all of worldly secrets - that one understanding which the entire game has been about keeping from you, it's as simple as preventing as many of us as possible from realizing that humanity has such amazing powers, right now already, and always have. We could literally in the blink of an eye fundamentally change the world, right now, if enough of us got together with this knowledge. All starvation, poverty and want would literally disappear instantly, if we so focused on this outcome.

This is the great secret of the ages - of those who have enslaved you.

It's as freaking simple as that.

[milk and honey]

Something bothers me about a conversation like this. So what if spacecraft did show up in our skies on Oct 14th? What could it prove? One thing only. That whoever was the source of 'Blossom's' message was also responsible for the 'UFO' fly-over. That could be anyone including terrestrial powers who have UFOs and other technologies to pull a stunt like that.

Secondly, even if it was 'aliens', their appearance in UFOs would prove nothing about their motive and intentions, regardless of what was said in the chanellings. People who believe otherwise need to sober up and seriously examine the various possibilities.

Here's a good article with a few insights in that regard: http://www.montalk.net/notes/overloo...alien-presence

My own understanding is that there are no plans for positive spiritual beings to show up in UFOs in the event of a massive disaster scenario. These adepts do not operate like that. I believe they have advanced spacecraft but because they are beyond the need for them -- they can transport themselves by the power of their spiritualised mind -- they hardly ever use their craft. They certainly do not flaunt spacecraft to humanity as their spiritual ID and credentials. Why would they when even terrestrial criminals have advanced craft? Why muddy the waters for us?

The message of the true adepts is not overly concerned with our origin (or theirs) on other planets and star systems but with our origin in the spiritual plane. That is more important. Their message concerns the personal spiritual path of each soul and as Theresa said earlier, identifying and separating the lower- ego from the real- Self.

To that effect, the true adepts act from the inner planes and subtley influence the mind/emotions of human beings to help clarify our choices. Sometimes they identify themselves as the source of that inspiration (but not always) and the people who recieve their influence are free to reject it if they choose.

This planet and it's people have a heavy karma which has been building for ages. It is due and is manifesting as all the woes that have been described by various sources. The only intervention possible at this critical juncture is the relationship which i described using the discernment of our own spiritual- self to distinguish the spiritual adepts from lower astral entities.

In any event there is no external intervention on offer in the form of a revelation and landing by 'positive aliens' in UFOs. It's not going to happen and whoever turns up like that claiming to be our 'savior' is not. That includes but is not limited to a 'Jesus character'. He did not leave in a UFO and will not return in one.

[feeler]

Originally Posted by milk and honey

Something bothers me about a conversation like this. So what if spacecraft did show up in our skies on Oct 14th? What could it prove? One thing only. That whoever was the source of 'Blossom's' message was also responsible for the 'UFO' fly-over. That could be anyone including terrestrial powers who have UFOs and other technologies to pull a stunt like that.

milk and honey

Thank you. I provided the two quotes below contrasting each other. Again, I acknowledge that the will is ours and free; however the free will is lacking under the current circumstance.

Hopefully, from the discussion among our fellow members thus far, we have a better sense as to whether David Wilcock's statement is logical, valid, and applicable to similar prophecies in the future.

A UFO appearance would get people thinking outside the constraint of the Bible and other religious doctrines. It doesn't mean the ET's are benevolent; it doesn't mean the visitors are necessarily real ET's. Even if the crafts turn out to be back-engineered, it's still an indication/hint of the original source - UFO's.

The quality of our free will is greatly compromised, if we by and large operate and make our choices out of blind faith, propaganda, lies, and half-truths. Perhaps a limited appearance would be a good starting point to motivate people to step out of their conditioning and explore the truth. -feeler

“Such a mass visitation, at this stage in our planetary game, would be an absolute tragedy — an irreversibly vast insult to the free will of the overwhelming majority of people on Earth who would see it as a horrific and terrifying event, based on their Hollywood movie conditioning.” – David Wilcock

Coercion and manipulation undermine free will, on this view, in virtue of making agents not reasons-responsive. If Allison has been brainwashed to walk the dog at a certain time, then even if she were to turn on the news and sees that it is snowing, she would attempt to walk the dog despite having good reasons not to. Thus, manipulated agents are not reasons-responsive, and in virtue of this lack free will. [See Fischer and Ravizza (1998) for one of the primary reasons-responsive views of free will.]

[Vianova]

Sheesh
wilcock is a dingle berry
and the whole thing was a lame psyop to get y'all whacky yakking

lol


-->the aliens you encounter are the aliens you choose to experience<--

if you BELIEVE that fascist lizards are going to descend from spacecraft,
then that will happen for you.

If you BELIEVE that Greys and Zeta Ridiculans and shape ****ters
infest the planet, then they are under your bed.

Nancy Leider and the J Rod eloped last night.

There is no question that alien societies exist
with technologiocal superiorities to Earth ,and these alien star systems
are probably just as fascist pig as the International Criminal Clown War Puppet Masters
on Planet Earth.

so what...?
even if they ... "took over..."
humans still have God Consciousness
and the Angel Within.
Mankind's history is rife with conflict and war and aggression.
The neo con tyrants want to create a space weapons race.

Maitreya is universal.
Kuan Yin is a presence of Compassion.
and the Lotus Blossom fractalizes into infinty


the Mayan Jaguar came to me in a dream
and flashed with his eyes the universal sacred geometries
into my third eye with just a glance.




Alien presences of higher benevolence are experienced on a higher plane of consciousness.
Interdimensional contact is not by spacecraft.


It is by Experience.

wilcock is a distraction...


Creators of the the designer Solar System
have no "mother ship".....
they don't need one,.

[KathyT]

“The feasibility of aliens "just showing up" without being unanimously invited by humanity would not be congruent with other laws and rules of what it means to be a sovereign being.”

I have way too many neighbors and friends who drop in to my house without being invited.

UFO’s have been dropping in “uninvited” on mankind for years and centuries.

People talk about “laws and rules” of the universe. Where can I find proof of these laws?

I know people have blind faith and make up all sorts of beliefs so that they can follow them.

But proof of a law which says “they/extraterrestrials” can’t “interfere” with us? Can someone please show me where that the existence of that law can be proved?

There is no proof that it exists.
There is no proof that it does not exist.

[feeler]

Originally Posted by KathyT

“The feasibility of aliens "just showing up" without being unanimously invited by humanity would not be congruent with other laws and rules of what it means to be a sovereign being.”

I have way too many neighbors and friends who drop in to my house without being invited.

UFO’s have been dropping in “uninvited” on mankind for years and centuries.

People talk about “laws and rules” of the universe. Where can I find proof of these laws?

I know people have blind faith and make up all sorts of beliefs so that they can follow them.

But proof of a law which says “they/extraterrestrials” can’t “interfere” with us? Can someone please show me where that the existence of that law can be proved?

There is no proof that it exists.
There is no proof that it does not exist.

KathyT, I love your understatement - except that our neighbors and "friends" spray biological/chemical agents all over inside our houses, and bring .44 calibers as gifts to our sons and daughters. -feeler

Ref: 'The Gods of Eden' by William Bramley