Alex Jones review of Zeitgeist Addendum

Ross · 10-16-2008, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by gwynned

Okay, let's define ideology: Webster: "The teachings, beliefs of a person or group. or : "Systematic body of concepts esp about human life or culture."

It would appear that you have an ideology. We all do. The question, I think, is can we come up with an ideology - a way of looking at the world and structuring it - that we can all agree on. For instance. Should all people eat or just the people who can afford it? Should some children work 14 hours a day so that other children can get cheap clothes and toys? I might remind people that at one point the prevailing ideology was that blacks were animals, and such 'ideology' justified the structure of slavery.

I agree that we don't want to look to some utopian ideal and find ourselves disillusioned, but I think we can look at each option presented to us and determine, based on our 'ideology' what the practical response should be.

My point is that you can have the best 'ideology' in the world and man will still find reason for conflict if he still thinks with his ego. Take this forum for instance and the ideology that spawned it: freedom of information, spiritual growth, respecting others opinions, which are all very laudable, but is this place free from conflict? is it heck! I am chastising myself while I type this for even getting involved in this discussion because I know that I have let my ego get involved and have an arguement about what is 'right' and 'wrong' when I should be concentrating on my own growth.
I do find it amusing however that we are all pretending to have a 'discussion' here when what we are all actually doing is all bringing our preconceived ideas and 'beliefs' (me included) to the table. When this thread has finished, I highly doubt that anyone will have really taken in anything new or changed their opinion (least of all Alex Jones), therefore what is the point, really?

Having now had another opportunity to see the 'little me' at work, I am now off to invest my energy in something more positive and constructive.

Peace and love

gwynned · 10-16-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ross

My point is that you can have the best 'ideology' in the world and man will still find reason for conflict if he still thinks with his ego. Take this forum for instance and the ideology that spawned it: freedom of information, spiritual growth, respecting others opinions, which are all very laudable, but is this place free from conflict? is it heck! I am chastising myself while I type this for even getting involved in this discussion because I know that I have let my ego get involved and have an arguement about what is 'right' and 'wrong' when I should be concentrating on my own growth.
I do find it amusing however that we are all pretending to have a 'discussion' here when what we are all actually doing is all bringing our preconceived ideas and 'beliefs' (me included) to the table. When this thread has finished, I highly doubt that anyone will have really taken in anything new or changed their opinion (least of all Alex Jones), therefore what is the point, really?

Having now had another opportunity to see the 'little me' at work, I am now off to invest my energy in something more positive and constructive.

Peace and love

What could be more positive than discovering the truth? Of course, we all come with preconceived ideas, myself included. But if I/we were not open to amplifying, changing, or evolving our ideas, we probably would not be here. I still don't know whether Alex Jones is dispelling truth, half truths or lies. I'm here to find out and have appreciated everyone's input - both the detractors and supporters and what I consider a very lively debate.

True, to be enlightened is to live beyond the ego, but the mind/ego is still an amazing and important tool for discernment and survival.

Thunderbird · 10-16-2008, 01:27 PM

Alex Jones hates Zeitgeist because it threatens to educate people and free them into a hopeful future and promising future where human beings are above the base sort of activity and thinking that makes a man like Alex jones successful and appealing. He would be out of business and wouldnt have an excuse to start violent revolution.

His sole purpose is to foment violent revolution. He always says how he's trying to "get everybody MAD! ANGRY! GET OUT THERE AND DO SOMETHING!!"

If THAT doesnt put up red flags...i dont know what will...

He appeals to the lowest common denominator in the disaffected and disgruntled. He actually USES hitler tactics and body movements. He STUDIED how he moved people with passionate speech and body language.

My Conclusion is that He is either:

1. paid for by illuminists for them to be able to control their opposition that they so desperately need for this game to be pleasurable.

2. Puppetted by illuminists and lead to the conclusions he has espoused and quietly funded.

3. Possessed by reptilians or demons, or whatever the hell people think is possessing people these days, to foment revolution and thus entrain people into an easily recognizable expressivitivity (new word) so that they may be easily rounded up.

4. Really is an idiot and believes fighting and anger is the solution. what a tard. I mean really, who in their right mind would want to make people ANGRY!!! AARRGH!!

...I'll tell you

People with an AGENDA.

lets start a WAR...

hmm...who else likes starting wars?

the very people who make money, solidify power, and get their way by fomenting wars...

he is what he espouses to fight against. Hypocrite.

BEWARE

-Your Friendly Neighborhood Thunderbird

Wolfladyk · 10-20-2008, 06:48 PM

What are most of us doing? Sitting on our butts attached to this forum talking our lives away and doing NOTHING!

It says a lot about a person when they feel the need to criticize another when are doing nothing themselves. Why aren't any of you putting your life out there in the public eye to be criticized by others? It's real easy when you are in the comfort of your own home to be an arm-chair savior, try doing it out in the world everyday and see how you hold up.

Hi Truth!

I truly appreciate your concern about negativity, BUT aren't you just as guilty making such broad statements without knowing who each of us are, and what we are doing about the world mess?

I, for one, have spent the past eight months researching a book on the matter AND I am taking the TRUTH to young people in the form of showing my students various documentaries and articles to make them think! And before anyone else gets ugly, let me say that I ALWAYS tell them, "Do NOT trust me either! Define the truth for yourself please!" I have also become active in groups like 9-11Truth on a local level. I DO put "myself out there" by facing jail time and the loss of my job for my beliefs and I do the best I can every single day. I do NOT know what anyone else does nor is it really my business since I only have to worry about what I am doing, who I am, and how I live my life.

In response to the member who wrote so negatively about ANGER. This emotion is required for most people to react to oppression unfortunately. Anger is both a natural and healthy emotion that actually can prevent violence by allowing one to vent off hostile energy. I work hard every day to get my students angry...angry enough to study the NWO, angry enough to go to college to become lawyers and future politicians, and angry enough to care about themselves and their future families. Just last week I told three different gang members "one" truth about gangs! The white power elites love watching dumb poor minority kids killing each other off and they are playing right into the hands of those they "hate." I wish you could have seen the look on their faces as one brave young man said, "That's right, Miss, and that why I don't bang." Now those three gang members are saying they will all quit "banging" when they turn 18 because the gang will let them out then. {sigh] Furthermore, we SHOULD be angry at everything that is going on! We are being led to slaughter by Luciferians who want global domination and practice violent disgusting rites on innocent animals and children, particularly their OWN offspring. Anger can be an excellent emotion when used for the right reason, and I personally, much prefer living with anger than trembling with fear. And of course, a good sense of humor goes a long way too.

I am not an Alex Jones groupie by any means and often get upset with HIS lack of forthrightness on some issues, carelessness, and rude demeanor. However, I am not going to bash Alex when he at least has the guts to do what he believes is right. As for Alex being CIA, a Jesuit, or a spreader of disinformation, I have yet to see incontrovertible evidence of such activities. On the other hand, nothing surprises me anymore so I take anything that everyone says with a grain of salt and depend on my own intellect to distinguish truth from fiction and determine right from wrong.

One more comment about Utopia too...the latest research is proving that nurture is not nearly as important as NATURE. Basically, personality and behavior are much more hardwired than previously thought. We still do not know why psychopaths/sociopaths are born (outside of crack babies) nor do we know how to "cure" them of such tendencies. Unfortunately, people simply aren't perfect, so the thought of them creating a "perfect' society and living together happily ever after is just more "pie in the sky" agenda that may stretch the individual human mind that ponders it, but lacks the ability to become real substance. I don't call that being negative either...I call it being realistic and honest. The best we can hope for is a form of "civilization" as America once aspired to be that promoted differences and tolerance of those who are...in all things (religion/politics/philosophy), and the means by which to make meaningful decisions in spite of those differences in a peaceful manner. Time to

for now!

Hugs to you all!

10-16-2008, 01:27 PM	#3
Thunderbird Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 309	Re: Alex Jones review of Zeitgeist Addendum Alex Jones hates Zeitgeist because it threatens to educate people and free them into a hopeful future and promising future where human beings are above the base sort of activity and thinking that makes a man like Alex jones successful and appealing. He would be out of business and wouldnt have an excuse to start violent revolution. His sole purpose is to foment violent revolution. He always says how he's trying to "get everybody MAD! ANGRY! GET OUT THERE AND DO SOMETHING!!" If THAT doesnt put up red flags...i dont know what will... He appeals to the lowest common denominator in the disaffected and disgruntled. He actually USES hitler tactics and body movements. He STUDIED how he moved people with passionate speech and body language. My Conclusion is that He is either: 1. paid for by illuminists for them to be able to control their opposition that they so desperately need for this game to be pleasurable. 2. Puppetted by illuminists and lead to the conclusions he has espoused and quietly funded. 3. Possessed by reptilians or demons, or whatever the hell people think is possessing people these days, to foment revolution and thus entrain people into an easily recognizable expressivitivity (new word) so that they may be easily rounded up. 4. Really is an idiot and believes fighting and anger is the solution. what a tard. I mean really, who in their right mind would want to make people ANGRY!!! AARRGH!! ...I'll tell you People with an AGENDA. lets start a WAR... hmm...who else likes starting wars? the very people who make money, solidify power, and get their way by fomenting wars... he is what he espouses to fight against. Hypocrite. BEWARE -Your Friendly Neighborhood Thunderbird

10-20-2008, 06:48 PM	#4
Wolfladyk Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Western U.S. Posts: 22	Response to TRUTH What are most of us doing? Sitting on our butts attached to this forum talking our lives away and doing NOTHING! It says a lot about a person when they feel the need to criticize another when are doing nothing themselves. Why aren't any of you putting your life out there in the public eye to be criticized by others? It's real easy when you are in the comfort of your own home to be an arm-chair savior, try doing it out in the world everyday and see how you hold up. Hi Truth! I truly appreciate your concern about negativity, BUT aren't you just as guilty making such broad statements without knowing who each of us are, and what we are doing about the world mess? I, for one, have spent the past eight months researching a book on the matter AND I am taking the TRUTH to young people in the form of showing my students various documentaries and articles to make them think! And before anyone else gets ugly, let me say that I ALWAYS tell them, "Do NOT trust me either! Define the truth for yourself please!" I have also become active in groups like 9-11Truth on a local level. I DO put "myself out there" by facing jail time and the loss of my job for my beliefs and I do the best I can every single day. I do NOT know what anyone else does nor is it really my business since I only have to worry about what I am doing, who I am, and how I live my life. In response to the member who wrote so negatively about ANGER. This emotion is required for most people to react to oppression unfortunately. Anger is both a natural and healthy emotion that actually can prevent violence by allowing one to vent off hostile energy. I work hard every day to get my students angry...angry enough to study the NWO, angry enough to go to college to become lawyers and future politicians, and angry enough to care about themselves and their future families. Just last week I told three different gang members "one" truth about gangs! The white power elites love watching dumb poor minority kids killing each other off and they are playing right into the hands of those they "hate." I wish you could have seen the look on their faces as one brave young man said, "That's right, Miss, and that why I don't bang." Now those three gang members are saying they will all quit "banging" when they turn 18 because the gang will let them out then. {sigh] Furthermore, we SHOULD be angry at everything that is going on! We are being led to slaughter by Luciferians who want global domination and practice violent disgusting rites on innocent animals and children, particularly their OWN offspring. Anger can be an excellent emotion when used for the right reason, and I personally, much prefer living with anger than trembling with fear. And of course, a good sense of humor goes a long way too. I am not an Alex Jones groupie by any means and often get upset with HIS lack of forthrightness on some issues, carelessness, and rude demeanor. However, I am not going to bash Alex when he at least has the guts to do what he believes is right. As for Alex being CIA, a Jesuit, or a spreader of disinformation, I have yet to see incontrovertible evidence of such activities. On the other hand, nothing surprises me anymore so I take anything that everyone says with a grain of salt and depend on my own intellect to distinguish truth from fiction and determine right from wrong. One more comment about Utopia too...the latest research is proving that nurture is not nearly as important as NATURE. Basically, personality and behavior are much more hardwired than previously thought. We still do not know why psychopaths/sociopaths are born (outside of crack babies) nor do we know how to "cure" them of such tendencies. Unfortunately, people simply aren't perfect, so the thought of them creating a "perfect' society and living together happily ever after is just more "pie in the sky" agenda that may stretch the individual human mind that ponders it, but lacks the ability to become real substance. I don't call that being negative either...I call it being realistic and honest. The best we can hope for is a form of "civilization" as America once aspired to be that promoted differences and tolerance of those who are...in all things (religion/politics/philosophy), and the means by which to make meaningful decisions in spite of those differences in a peaceful manner. Time to for now! Hugs to you all!