What if global rescue and bailout plans fail?

silverman · 10-15-2008, 07:45 PM

Well first of all a BIG THANK YOU TO all involved people running www.projectcamelot.org and projectavalon forum. Also a big thank you posting so many interesting things, they hear, they know and feel. It's a petty, that too many people spend their time in front of the tv or when they surf rather in facebook or playing computer games. I spend my professional career in the Swiss banking industry. So when you read posts from the silverman, the contribution may be related to financial issues and one of my specialities precious metals. I am/was a specialist for securitized derivative products. Those things most US citizens don't know, because those products have never been launched in the US. It is a big industry in Europe. Because of my background I know something about derivative markets. To make one point clear....I am not one of these guys who created credit derivatives like this outrageous big mountain of credit-default-swaps with a size of 50'000 USD billions. SEC and all those market regulators tried to regulate everything. In my career I was also working for two very well known US firms. One still exists and the other has been taken over. Well let me come to the point

What are the plans of central bankers, if all the billions of dollar, pounds, yens and euros will not help to bring back confidence and markets continue to slide?

In my view, we are very very close to the point, that financial markets could be closed. Perfect thing for all the illuminati an-so-on crazy people.

One other intersting thing is, that Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan are constantly manipulating the Gold and Silver price. Rumours say that the short-position is already higher than all the 20'000 tons of Gold being hold by central banks world-wide!

So why do they manipulate the price of Gold? Well it looks silly, when the Gold price goes up to 2000 or 3000 USD and Dow Jones remains around 10'000. Even people with no financial know-how or background know, that a goldprice shooting up to such levels means something bad.

Other question? Why most western central banks sold gold over the last 8 years but not the US; they still have 9000 tons of gold (in the case they do not lie to us)

Actually when they manipulate down the price, which makes us believing that gold may have lost its safe-haven-function or monetary role, why the US doesn't sell its gold? Why, because they don't hate it, because they will need and use it one day.

In Europe the discussions of going back the gold-standard, where paper-money is backed by gold or at least partially has started already.

I believe this is also the reason, why in the US in Canada its difficult or almost impossible to buy some coins of gold or silver.

Funny enough physical gold and silver is almost impossible to get all over the globe in Asia, Europe....just everywhere!

So, you can imagine what will happen with the price of gold and silver, when for example the AMERO is gold and silver backed

I estimate that the purchasing power increase factor of 1 ounce of gold will be 5 to 50 times, the one of silver even bigger like times 100.

So when you can invite your friend for a fancy drink (USD 20) at a very cool place & bar in New York, you almost need two of ounces at the funny-paper-money-COMEX price of USD 10

If I am not completely wrong you can spend a fancy drink for 50 friends after the AMERO introduction. BUT only:

When you have this ounce of silver physically in your hand!

Because until then COMEX will have defaulted!

But probabely you have to be careful to own physical gold or silver as a US citizen BECAUSE:

Public Enemy is not Bin Laden, neither Iran, North Korea or some other states, Public Enemy in the eyes of the illuminatis is gold and silver because over this they don't have the control.

Forbid to own gold and silver...hmmm may work in the States or some other banana republic state but not in Asia.....India for example buys already 30% of the annual gold output....I am sure that BBP (Bush-Bernanke-Paulson) won't get it done!

But what can you do in the States?

- Leave. Well this hurts. Myself I like to travel the States a wonderful country especially southwest. So you see I am not against US, US citizens just against the corrupt US government....actually those guys should walk around without any rights and laws and help in Guantanamo Bay...

- 2nd thing you can do is go long gold and silver futures at COMEX and then exercise.....

Cheers,
silverman

hmmm I have forgotten the 3rd point. Start a revolution!

(CIA, FBI, BND, Mossad, FED, Homeland Security) also a big cheers to you. Thanks for any revolutionary support....and please wake up and please remember that you have been born a couple of years ago and have been a child as well. Give up your useless job and help mankind to make Earth a better place. Thanks and

Antonia · 10-15-2008, 07:55 PM

Thanks for that Silverman... I have no savings and own very little except for a house which is near the sea so I guess that has a posability of beinb underwater at some point but my friend in England has money in the bank and tried to take it out and buy gold coins and she could not find any to buy in London...nor Silver... When do you think they willanounce the Amero??? And who owns the federal reserve bank right now???

Antonia

joe2288 · 10-15-2008, 08:05 PM

yeah silverman it looks like that is a major possibility the stock market is about to close at negative over 700 points and if its keeps on going like this were gona be in trouble

silverman · 10-15-2008, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Antonia

Thanks for that Silverman... I have no savings and own very little except for a house which is near the sea so I guess that has a posability of beinb underwater at some point but my friend in England has money in the bank and tried to take it out and buy gold coins and she could not find any to buy in London...nor Silver... When do you think they willanounce the Amero??? And who owns the federal reserve bank right now???

Antonia

getting gold and silver is difficult all over the globe. Go and see the various posts on www.kitco.com and if you can ready German language www.hartgeld.com. Fact is that there was never a big reserve of coins and bars of gold and silver. Even if you take the gold reserve of all central banks together which might be roughly 20'000 tons...this "only gives" USD 700 billion. Fund manager only in Switzerland have more than 4000 billions under management. Fact is there is still so much paper-money in shares, bonds and so an amount which surpasses USD 200'000 billions easily not taking into account any credit-derivatives which is another USD 400'000 billion in total.

Now 700 billions of gold reserve with central bank....hmm and you can be sure they will keep it and not give it away to anybody!

So if you can't get anything in UK spend some days in Switzerland. A ticket to Zurich is not that expensive....in Switzerland there is still some gold and silver in small quantities available.

About the AMERO....thats difficult and I believe there are some people among the camelot-avalon community they know this better than me. BUT, the faster things get worse at financial markets the sooner. I believe in 2009....

Ok and the FED? very good question. Founded by some very wealthy families in 1913, like Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Warburgs, etc..

Over the last couple years it belonged probabely rather to the Rockefellers but some rumours say, that the Rothschilds (Europe-Illuminati-part) urged FED to come up with this bailout-plan...

I believe the Rockefellers owe some bigtime money to the Rothschilds and this maybe the inofficial reason why we have all this stress...I really hope that the Asian secret society has them (Illuminatis and Freemasons) under control...and if necessery do the necessary!

Greetings, silverman

silverman · 10-15-2008, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by joe2288

yeah silverman it looks like that is a major possibility the stock market is about to close at negative over 700 points and if its keeps on going like this were gona be in trouble

Absolutely, it doesn't look nice at all and central bankers are running out of munition...so martial law and dictator-ship might be around the corner....

and maybe....all this is part of their plan....

Remember, the Rothschilds made big fortunes, when England was fighting against France some 250 years ago...

They were spreading the rumour, that England has lost the war which was wrong. But UK stock market crashed and the Rothschild started to buy all the bombed out stocks....since there was no Reuters, CNN, CNBC, Internet or E-Mail oooh my god even not a phone it took a couple of days until everybody knew that France was loosing the war.....well winning or loosing wars? hmm

Wars are for loosers like Bush and his fellows!

sprocket · 10-15-2008, 09:20 PM

Hi silverman. Maybe you can clarify the situation regarding silver - as your OP figures suggest, silver is apparently much scarcer than gold, which is itself very scarce! I have also read that the reason for this is that, though found in abundance, it is not worth mining because of its low intrinsic value - which sounds like complete bulls*it to me! What are your views on this? Thanks.

silverman · 10-15-2008, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sprocket

Hi silverman. Maybe you can clarify the situation regarding silver - as your OP figures suggest, silver is apparently much scarcer than gold, which is itself very scarce! I have also read that the reason for this is that, though found in abundance, it is not worth mining because of its low intrinsic value - which sounds like complete bulls*it to me! What are your views on this? Thanks.

Thanks for the excellent questions, here some facts and bullet-points:

annual output gold: approx. 2500 tons
annual gold consumption: approx. 4200 tons

gap covered by recycling gold and gold from central bank sales

-main use of gold is jewelery, investment vehicle
-reserves approx. 20'000 tons / value USD 700 billion
-any other reserves somewhere else: none bought by some intelligent investores over the last couple of months

now Silver:

annual output silver: approx. 21000 tons
annual silver consumption: approx. 30000 tons

reserves? none just underground, central banks don't keep silver since a while

But know comes the compelling thing with Silver:

- WE NEED IT and Silver findes usage in more components and products than crude oil
- Silver is still used big time in the photography industry
- Mobile phones
- Laptops & computers
- Flatscreens
- For water purification (big time)
- Solar power
- Watches
- pharmaceutical industry like for band-aid and more
- jewelery
- Mirrors

BUT NOW SOMETHING EVEN MORE INTERESTING!

A couple of months ago, when crude oil was hovering around 130/140 every child learned what peak-oil means...we will run out of crude oil in roughly 40 years!

Hey, we have a big issue here on planet earth since we ARE ALREADY BIG TIME IN PEAK-SILVER AND PEAK-GOLD because

In 15 years (yes ONE / FIVE) we don't get Silver anymore out of the ground!

But perverse enough it is sold away at USD 10 at COMEX!

Check once on www.kitco.com the price of Rhodium. Also a very rare and precious metal out of the platinum group.
Rhodium was trading @ USD 400 in 2003/04 and reached a high in March 2008 at USD 10000.

So you can see what happens to precious metals prices when everybody wants and needs them.

THE ACTUAL SILVER-PRICE IS A F.....G JOKE!

And yes you are right! Producers getting Silver out of the ground do this at USD 13....so its not profitable...but as I said needed in so many devices we use and need every day!

Some investors already pay now USD 20 to 30 for 1 Ounce of Silver in physical form.

BUT some nasty rumours say that there is a 1 to 3 billion ounce short-position out there, which might be the reason, why Silver dropped from USD 22 reach this March to below USD 10 last week....by the way same day when Dow Jones dropped below 8000 since years

Isn't that funny?

Again US government together with the FED and the two government banks Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan (ooops they seem never to have problems even during this crazy financial crisis) have big pockets some hidden accounts on the bahamas and virgin islands where they park all the criminal short positions, all the treasuries they buy back and the F&F bonds.ö...and so on

They do big time manipulate financial markets!

Now one of the bush would say: Believe me, read my lips!

Greetings, silverman

Jacqui D · 10-15-2008, 10:37 PM

Thanks silverman for that info;
True about not being able to get gold in London, they've been queuing round the block to get into ATS bullion for days apparently!

sprocket · 10-15-2008, 11:14 PM

silverman, thanks - excellent response!!!

Ampgod · 10-15-2008, 11:18 PM

It will fail.

*That is a my positive outlook. Not negative.

Peace,
Ampgod

silverman · 10-16-2008, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by sprocket

silverman, thanks - excellent response!!!

Its a pleasure since it is one of my passions....

on gold and silver I am doing this already since a couple of years....

Greetings and have a nice day
silverman

silverman · 10-16-2008, 05:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ampgod

It will fail.

*That is a my positive outlook. Not negative.

Peace,
Ampgod

Well, yes I agree it will! The question is just how fast, a couple of days, weeks or months! I believe not later than March 2009!

I believe they just don't know yet which excuse, which fake terrorist attack...
shall it be in UK or the US? Or rather a fake UFO attacked followed by holographic ET invasion....

Well lets see what the Mickey Mouse US Banana Republic Government has in its cards......oooops I forgot the Dicatorship!

Greetings silverman

capreycorn · 10-27-2008, 09:51 PM

ahem...

what`s with stones..like the diamond..is it something to buy although "de beer" makes the artificial "high price"? or saphire?

Swanny · 10-27-2008, 10:18 PM

I bought 24oz of pre 1920 scrap British silver coins the other day, paid £100 from a shop in Bath.
Seemed like a good idea at the time......

Swanny · 10-27-2008, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverman

I believe they just don't know yet which excuse, which fake terrorist attack...
shall it be in UK or the US? Or rather a fake UFO attacked followed by holographic ET invasion....

Greetings silverman

I've been thinking about this and my opinion is if they do a nuclear strike it would be in the US, the UK is too small and it would completely destroy the whole country, but maybe they want to..

AndyH · 10-27-2008, 10:37 PM

I have to agree with a lot of people who see this as a great excuse for the Amero to be introduced. We'll probably see the UK adopt the euro pretty soon. Perhaps Iceland may even adopt the euro and take the plunge into the EU? I would only bet on Switzerland keeping out of things.

As for what happens then is anyones guess, perhaps closer govt integration and removal of borders and passport/id card "harmonisation". Certainly I see the world dividing into 4 or 5 or maybe 6 areas.
North America,Mexico and Canada as region 1
Europe as region 2
Asia as region 3
South America as region 4

There may be a separate 5th region for Japan,Australia+NZ if it doesn't join with the Asian union.

Then we are left with Africa which is already working towards it's own union of sorts. #6.

I also forsee Africa becoming the next great place for outsourcing industry and labor, perhaps with the "safer" African countries like Botswana being the first on the list.

I always try to remember when seeing any info that the "Elite" have to live here with us. What they want is more control, order out of chaos.

I certainly see the complete computerization of money and id cards and then implanted id chips as being inevitable.
People will love the id chips, mark my word. Not you on this forum of course, I'm talking about the unfortunate millions who still believe this is all for the best.

You need only look at the present advances with credit/debit cards to see how this will pan out, barclays for example are about to introduce a new credit card that you will merely have to "tap on the till" to perform cheap transactions (below £10 iirc).

http://www.newsroom.barclays.co.uk/C...2&NewsAreaID=2

There you go...their own website!

10-15-2008, 07:45 PM	#1
silverman Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 78	What if global rescue and bailout plans fail? Well first of all a BIG THANK YOU TO all involved people running www.projectcamelot.org and projectavalon forum. Also a big thank you posting so many interesting things, they hear, they know and feel. It's a petty, that too many people spend their time in front of the tv or when they surf rather in facebook or playing computer games. I spend my professional career in the Swiss banking industry. So when you read posts from the silverman, the contribution may be related to financial issues and one of my specialities precious metals. I am/was a specialist for securitized derivative products. Those things most US citizens don't know, because those products have never been launched in the US. It is a big industry in Europe. Because of my background I know something about derivative markets. To make one point clear....I am not one of these guys who created credit derivatives like this outrageous big mountain of credit-default-swaps with a size of 50'000 USD billions. SEC and all those market regulators tried to regulate everything. In my career I was also working for two very well known US firms. One still exists and the other has been taken over. Well let me come to the point What are the plans of central bankers, if all the billions of dollar, pounds, yens and euros will not help to bring back confidence and markets continue to slide? In my view, we are very very close to the point, that financial markets could be closed. Perfect thing for all the illuminati an-so-on crazy people. One other intersting thing is, that Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan are constantly manipulating the Gold and Silver price. Rumours say that the short-position is already higher than all the 20'000 tons of Gold being hold by central banks world-wide! So why do they manipulate the price of Gold? Well it looks silly, when the Gold price goes up to 2000 or 3000 USD and Dow Jones remains around 10'000. Even people with no financial know-how or background know, that a goldprice shooting up to such levels means something bad. Other question? Why most western central banks sold gold over the last 8 years but not the US; they still have 9000 tons of gold (in the case they do not lie to us) Actually when they manipulate down the price, which makes us believing that gold may have lost its safe-haven-function or monetary role, why the US doesn't sell its gold? Why, because they don't hate it, because they will need and use it one day. In Europe the discussions of going back the gold-standard, where paper-money is backed by gold or at least partially has started already. I believe this is also the reason, why in the US in Canada its difficult or almost impossible to buy some coins of gold or silver. Funny enough physical gold and silver is almost impossible to get all over the globe in Asia, Europe....just everywhere! So, you can imagine what will happen with the price of gold and silver, when for example the AMERO is gold and silver backed I estimate that the purchasing power increase factor of 1 ounce of gold will be 5 to 50 times, the one of silver even bigger like times 100. So when you can invite your friend for a fancy drink (USD 20) at a very cool place & bar in New York, you almost need two of ounces at the funny-paper-money-COMEX price of USD 10 If I am not completely wrong you can spend a fancy drink for 50 friends after the AMERO introduction. BUT only: When you have this ounce of silver physically in your hand! Because until then COMEX will have defaulted! But probabely you have to be careful to own physical gold or silver as a US citizen BECAUSE: Public Enemy is not Bin Laden, neither Iran, North Korea or some other states, Public Enemy in the eyes of the illuminatis is gold and silver because over this they don't have the control. Forbid to own gold and silver...hmmm may work in the States or some other banana republic state but not in Asia.....India for example buys already 30% of the annual gold output....I am sure that BBP (Bush-Bernanke-Paulson) won't get it done! But what can you do in the States? - Leave. Well this hurts. Myself I like to travel the States a wonderful country especially southwest. So you see I am not against US, US citizens just against the corrupt US government....actually those guys should walk around without any rights and laws and help in Guantanamo Bay... - 2nd thing you can do is go long gold and silver futures at COMEX and then exercise..... Cheers, silverman hmmm I have forgotten the 3rd point. Start a revolution! (CIA, FBI, BND, Mossad, FED, Homeland Security) also a big cheers to you. Thanks for any revolutionary support....and please wake up and please remember that you have been born a couple of years ago and have been a child as well. Give up your useless job and help mankind to make Earth a better place. Thanks and Last edited by silverman; 10-15-2008 at 07:53 PM.

10-15-2008, 07:55 PM	#2
Antonia Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Dublin , Ireland Posts: 341	Re: What if global rescue and bailout plans fail? Thanks for that Silverman... I have no savings and own very little except for a house which is near the sea so I guess that has a posability of beinb underwater at some point but my friend in England has money in the bank and tried to take it out and buy gold coins and she could not find any to buy in London...nor Silver... When do you think they willanounce the Amero??? And who owns the federal reserve bank right now??? Antonia

10-15-2008, 08:05 PM	#3
joe2288 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Illinois USA Posts: 652	Re: What if global rescue and bailout plans fail? yeah silverman it looks like that is a major possibility the stock market is about to close at negative over 700 points and if its keeps on going like this were gona be in trouble

10-15-2008, 10:37 PM	#8
Jacqui D Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Kent,England Posts: 1,267	Re: What if global rescue and bailout plans fail? Thanks silverman for that info; True about not being able to get gold in London, they've been queuing round the block to get into ATS bullion for days apparently!

10-15-2008, 11:14 PM	#9
sprocket Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 25	Re: What if global rescue and bailout plans fail? silverman, thanks - excellent response!!!

10-15-2008, 09:20 PM	#6
sprocket Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 25	Re: What if global rescue and bailout plans fail? Hi silverman. Maybe you can clarify the situation regarding silver - as your OP figures suggest, silver is apparently much scarcer than gold, which is itself very scarce! I have also read that the reason for this is that, though found in abundance, it is not worth mining because of its low intrinsic value - which sounds like complete bulls*it to me! What are your views on this? Thanks.

10-15-2008, 11:18 PM	#10
Ampgod Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 310	Re: What if global rescue and bailout plans fail? It will fail. *That is a my positive outlook. Not negative. Peace, Ampgod

10-27-2008, 09:51 PM	#13
capreycorn Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: switzerland Posts: 455	Re: What if global rescue and bailout plans fail? ahem... what`s with stones..like the diamond..is it something to buy although "de beer" makes the artificial "high price"? or saphire?

10-27-2008, 10:18 PM	#14
Swanny I dont need a label ! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Shire of Wilt Posts: 2,889	Re: What if global rescue and bailout plans fail? I bought 24oz of pre 1920 scrap British silver coins the other day, paid £100 from a shop in Bath. Seemed like a good idea at the time......

10-27-2008, 10:37 PM	#16
AndyH Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Posts: 289	Re: What if global rescue and bailout plans fail? I have to agree with a lot of people who see this as a great excuse for the Amero to be introduced. We'll probably see the UK adopt the euro pretty soon. Perhaps Iceland may even adopt the euro and take the plunge into the EU? I would only bet on Switzerland keeping out of things. As for what happens then is anyones guess, perhaps closer govt integration and removal of borders and passport/id card "harmonisation". Certainly I see the world dividing into 4 or 5 or maybe 6 areas. North America,Mexico and Canada as region 1 Europe as region 2 Asia as region 3 South America as region 4 There may be a separate 5th region for Japan,Australia+NZ if it doesn't join with the Asian union. Then we are left with Africa which is already working towards it's own union of sorts. #6. I also forsee Africa becoming the next great place for outsourcing industry and labor, perhaps with the "safer" African countries like Botswana being the first on the list. I always try to remember when seeing any info that the "Elite" have to live here with us. What they want is more control, order out of chaos. I certainly see the complete computerization of money and id cards and then implanted id chips as being inevitable. People will love the id chips, mark my word. Not you on this forum of course, I'm talking about the unfortunate millions who still believe this is all for the best. You need only look at the present advances with credit/debit cards to see how this will pan out, barclays for example are about to introduce a new credit card that you will merely have to "tap on the till" to perform cheap transactions (below £10 iirc). http://www.newsroom.barclays.co.uk/C...2&NewsAreaID=2 There you go...their own website!