Indigo

Originally Posted by 2infinityandbeyond

So.. if you think George Walker Bush is "better" then us then your not on my team buddy. We are better then him. We want whats good for this planet and he just wants to see it destroyed with his reptilian brained mentality.

That is the only instance where i would call Indigos 'better' then anyone else.We are all better the some of the murderous scum out there and so are you. Not everyone is equal, everyone is different. Everyone has their flaws, but i assure you, i consider myself much better and superior then the likes of Hitler.

Wow... so much negativity and elitism. You are not better than Hitler, GWB, or anyone or any of histories tyrants. You are not less than Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, Ghandi, Mother Teresa or anyone else. You just are... everything is. Actions can be judged, but the way a person acts can change. Compassion is everything. The self proclamation that a "i" am better than another is just another elitist thought form.

Who is to say that these peoples actions are not necessary for the whole of humanity to evolve. It is the catalyst for change. When a person has nothing, they have nothing to lose and everything to gain. And its the same for the whole of humanity. Think of it this way, we are all allowed to be exposed to these "negative" events... and there must be a reason for it.

The more I see the posts of self proclaimed indigos... the more I see people who are suffering, and are looking for something to explain it.

[Racsouran]

Originally Posted by OceanWinds

Wow... so much negativity and elitism. You are not better than Hitler, GWB, or anyone or any of histories tyrants. You are not less than Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, Ghandi, Mother Teresa or anyone else. You just are... everything is. Actions can be judged, but the way a person acts can change. Compassion is everything. The self proclamation that a "i" am better than another is just another elitist thought form.

Who is to say that these peoples actions are not necessary for the whole of humanity to evolve. It is the catalyst for change. When a person has nothing, they have nothing to lose and everything to gain. And its the same for the whole of humanity. Think of it this way, we are all allowed to be exposed to these "negative" events... and there must be a reason for it.

The more I see the posts of self proclaimed indigos... the more I see people who are suffering, and are looking for something to explain it.

i don´t think that he´s being negative and elitist, he just attacks reality with the weapons he has at his disposal against the things he sees as a threat to his agenda. His purpose is to defend the idea of life he has the way he believe he have to. Bluntly, that is the mathematical equation exposed.

but from my perspective compassion is just sinonimous of being judgmental.


When there is pain, there is evolution, when there is not pain, there is not evolution. the indigo issue is nothing i would discuss here as it has been already discussed.

[dolphin]

2INFINITY...hey just leave these morans to themselves. SWANNY AND THE OTHER just need attention like brats that they are. don't let their negativity affect you. but i have to add:

swanny...could you go to another site and give your unwanted 2 cents. in fact it's not even worth that. read the first statement at the beginning of this thread--MORAN!...
you have nothing of value to add. you are very insecure and upset you're not an indigo. you just create negativity!!!

you don't agree, SO WHAT, JUST LEAVE THE POST!!!!!

i can't believe someone like you is even on this forum.

[ForsakenFalcon]

Originally Posted by dolphin

2INFINITY...hey just leave these morans to themselves. SWANNY AND THE OTHER just need attention like brats that they are. don't let their negativity affect you. but i have to add:

swanny...could you go to another site and give your unwanted 2 cents. in fact it's not even worth that. read the first statement at the beginning of this thread--MORAN!...
you have nothing of value to add. you are very insecure and upset you're not an indigo. you just create negativity!!!

you don't agree, SO WHAT, JUST LEAVE THE POST!!!!!

i can't believe someone like you is even on this forum.

I agree.

[Racsouran]

Originally Posted by dolphin

2INFINITY...hey just leave these morans to themselves. SWANNY AND THE OTHER just need attention like brats that they are. don't let their negativity affect you. but i have to add:

swanny...could you go to another site and give your unwanted 2 cents. in fact it's not even worth that. read the first statement at the beginning of this thread--MORAN!...
you have nothing of value to add. you are very insecure and upset you're not an indigo. you just create negativity!!!

you don't agree, SO WHAT, JUST LEAVE THE POST!!!!!

i can't believe someone like you is even on this forum.

so i got a warning point by trowing an insult. Yeah, i see how this XXXX works. At least i see why i "waste" my time here, in this forum: there is nothing better on this planet; this is the cutting edge.

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[Swanny]

Wow!!!! Dolphin you seem to have a problem mate, so in your reality no one is entitled to an opinion unless it fits with yours??

[Sanat]

I found a nice little article with a good definition of a socalled "star seed" (I prefer that term to "indigo"):

Starseeds are people that have their spiritual story on planets other than Earth. By this I mean they have reincarnated on other planets before being born here. There are more Starseeds here now than at any point in our history.

http://www.book-of-thoth.com/article1702.html

look I am not trying to win anyone over here... the ego has been around since the beginning, and cannot be changed unless its done by the individual themselves (this goes for both sides of the debate). All I care about really is that you feel good... if being an indigo resonates with you then roll with it. Use it to make the world a better place. My only problem is that labels often cause people to break apart as opposed to unify. If you use the indigo label to unify... then by all means do it.

But if a person uses it to throw themselves pity parties, blame establishment and everyone for all their problems, and lives their lives in a degenerative manner... then they are wasting their time and energy. And most likely draining others peoples time and energy the process.


P.S. Sanat I have heard about this before, and see it as a total possibility.

[Merlyn]

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In a way everyone is a Star Seed.

Our Sun is a Star.

Each of us is in a sense is a Seed of our Sun.

The Hopi say something like seeds of the new life are sprouting in the souls of humble people and the same seeds are being planted in the stars. And this relates to the coming Fifth World.

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[Sanat]

Yes, in the absolute sense everyone is a "soul/being" which came from Source and are on a journey back to Source. I refer often to Hawkins scale of consciousness 1-1000. I think this scale can be a bit misleading for the competative ego. It could perhaps better be expressed as a negative scale like this:

0 is the top of the scale instead of 1000 and -1000 represents the lowest point on the scale. What I mean is that the scale is always negative until the journey ends in which you reach the zero-point. The point being that everyone has embarked on a journey from 0 into "negativity/dualism" and some has choosen to go deeper into the negative scale than others. Sooner or later all will return to the zero-point with a lot of wisdom gained on the way...

However, I do think the intention of this thread is a bit more "down to earth" and not so "absolute" as this. But what the heck right.

[dolphin]

Originally Posted by Sanat

Yes, in the absolute sense everyone is a "soul/being" which came from Source and are on a journey back to Source. I refer often to Hawkins scale of consciousness 1-1000. I think this scale can be a bit misleading for the competative ego. It could perhaps better be expressed as a negative scale like this:

0 is the top of the scale instead of 1000 and -1000 represents the lowest point on the scale. What I mean is that the scale is always negative until the journey ends in which you reach the zero-point. The point being that everyone has embarked on a journey from 0 into "negativity/dualism" and some has choosen to go deeper into the negative scale than others. Sooner or later all will return to the zero-point with a lot of wisdom gained on the way...

However, I do think the intention of this thread is a bit more "down to earth" and not so "absolute" as this. But what the heck right.

hey sanat, i read david hawkins book. a while back i was sick and went to a medical intuitive. are you familiar w muscle testing? it's based on "truth" registered by one's body through kinesiology (sp?). well i had several readings based on that scale. it's fascinating to know how you rate on the scale during difft. activities. i think this is a great way to help you to decide what your life path is. the higher the score, the more likely that it is a good way to go

[2infinityandbeyond]

Originally Posted by OceanWinds

look I am not trying to win anyone over here... the ego has been around since the beginning, and cannot be changed unless its done by the individual themselves (this goes for both sides of the debate). All I care about really is that you feel good... if being an indigo resonates with you then roll with it. Use it to make the world a better place. My only problem is that labels often cause people to break apart as opposed to unify. If you use the indigo label to unify... then by all means do it.

But if a person uses it to throw themselves pity parties, blame establishment and everyone for all their problems, and lives their lives in a degenerative manner... then they are wasting their time and energy. And most likely draining others peoples time and energy the process.


P.S. Sanat I have heard about this before, and see it as a total possibility.

I'm not trying to use the indigo tag so people will feel they have an excuse for living a life that they would hardly consider ideal. The whole point is about empowering people to realise that they are their own leaders. Thats each and every one of us.

And i do know for a fact that "indigos" carry with them into this world a much higher vibration then that which has been the norm for thousands of years.

If you refer to the hundreth monkey effect you will understand that conciousness is unified. When enough of these people realise 'who they are' and start opening up their energy centres to direct devine light into this world that is when changes are gonna start happening.

Its already underway, there are thousands of people 'waking up' each day. Their starting to question the current system, and this would not have happened unless 'indigos' and any other highly positive orientated souls incarnated at this very time.

So quit it with the bloody arguing. I am better then the likes of George Bush. I have love for my people and love for all of Gods creatures.
And untill you can start to accept that there are people who are much "better" then the current leaders of society then our current civilisation will never turn around. Quit acting like babies throwing generalisations on top of everything, we all know we are 'equal' but if you continue to keep playing this "all men are equal (because in this world, their not)" bullsh!t then you'll continue to be blinded by the false societal conditioning that is keeping everyone locked in this slave wage society.

George Bush, Dick Cheney, Condalise Rice, Hitler, Stalin ; All of these people are/were working from lower levels of conciousness. They are locked in the Reptilian survival portion of their brains. They seem to lack any pure spirit. Until we start empowering ourselves by saying we are better then these tyrants! we will never be free.

You cannot say they are your equal. They would kill you before admit their equality to you. Have some common sense and break free of that silly societal conditioning.

This isnt about elitism, Its not very smart to refer to such specific generalisations when the whole concept is a topic worthy of a conversation in itself.

You want to discuss the details... you got it

I'm not trying to use the indigo tag so people will feel they have an excuse for living a life that they would hardly consider ideal. The whole point is about empowering people to realise that they are their own leaders. Thats each and every one of us.

This I agree and disagree on. Indigo is just a label... its a set of rules that a person uses to define themselves. This definition limits a persons potential, and there by limits their power. A person can realize they are their own leader without labeling themselves, and looking within. And by categorizing ourselves, we are seperating ourselves from each other... by labeling yourself as an indigo, you have now created a duality. Indigos... and those who are not indigos... and you categorize them into a box you call negative, and judge them by it. Infact you even feel you are better than them... and have said it many times.

And i do know for a fact that "indigos" carry with them into this world a much higher vibration then that which has been the norm for thousands of years.

Please show the evidence... if you know this is a fact. Because as it stands I do not see any difference between any human.

If you refer to the hundreth monkey effect you will understand that conciousness is unified. When enough of these people realise 'who they are' and start opening up their energy centres to direct devine light into this world that is when changes are gonna start happening.

I understand very well consciousness is unified. And I agree that when people polarize their thinking to well-being, it has a chain effect on the planet. This is not something anyone will argue. Questions now remain after these statements. Is indigo a state of mind? or is it a perpetual state of being that cannot be changed?

Its already underway, there are thousands of people 'waking up' each day. Their starting to question the current system, and this would not have happened unless 'indigos' and any other highly positive orientated souls incarnated at this very time.

So now according to you there are three groups. There are indigos, highly positive souls, and those who are degenerates to the world. And if it were not for the highly positive oriented souls and indigos everyone would be lost to the dark forces. By implication you saying that indigos are the saviours of humanity because just by being here they are waking everyone up.

But so far from many of the self proclaimed indigos here I have seen some pretty degenerative stuff. And when they are questioned, the ones who act degeneratively get upset. Hardly the actions of a saviour...

So quit it with the bloody arguing. I am better then the likes of George Bush. I have love for my people and love for all of Gods creatures.
And untill you can start to accept that there are people who are much "better" then the current leaders of society then our current civilisation will never turn around. Quit acting like babies throwing generalisations on top of everything, we all know we are 'equal' but if you continue to keep playing this "all men are equal (because in this world, their not)" bullsh!t then you'll continue to be blinded by the false societal conditioning that is keeping everyone locked in this slave wage society.

I havent been "bloody arguing", I have been debating. I have an open mind, and am totally willing to change my mind if someone gives me some good input. And again... you are not better than anyone or anything. And as long as you believe this, you are in agreement and are accepting the actions of those you judge. And here is why...

As long as you judge those who you are "better than" as guilty... you perpetuate that thought. As long as you perpetuate that thought, you are in agreement with it. As long as you are in agreement with the thought that they are guilty, then you bring back their actions upon yourself, aswell as perpetuate the cycle. This is the law of attraction... you know it well.

And as long as you continue this choice.... you affect the whole of humanity with it.

George Bush, Dick Cheney, Condalise Rice, Hitler, Stalin ; All of these people are/were working from lower levels of conciousness. They are locked in the Reptilian survival portion of their brains. They seem to lack any pure spirit. Until we start empowering ourselves by saying we are better then these tyrants! we will never be free.

I agree that they were working from the lower levels of consciousness... but that doesnt mean their spirit isnt pure. All things come from spirit... and these leaders only grew from the dirt they were planted. If the whole of human consciousness said they did not want war, or anything degenerative they would never have risen to power. Humanity as a whole chose these leaders. And yes... when we empower ourselves, and choose to live generatively as a whole... leaders like the ones you mentioned will not come to power any longer. But choices have nothing to do with being an indigo... choices are simply the nature of our being.

You cannot say they are your equal. They would kill you before admit their equality to you. Have some common sense and break free of that silly societal conditioning.

We are all brothers and sisters on this planet... and just because some would kill me in a snap doesnt make it any less. Love is blind. As for common sense... maybe you should say these things to Jesus, Mother Teresa, Buddha, Krishna, or Ghandi. Because this is what they believed... however it would appear from your statements that you know better.

This isnt about elitism, Its not very smart to refer to such specific generalisations when the whole concept is a topic worthy of a conversation in itself.

I am not generalizing indigos... If you read my post carefully you will see I am referring only to your post....


Conclusion.... I now see indigo as a possiblity. Just like starchildren... However I dont think its wise categorize ones self as an indigo, because this could limit a person from evolving and achieving new heights. Rather a person should accept what they are, and strive to meet their spiritual needs without rules or limitations. Extending love into everything, while following their inspiriation...

[2infinityandbeyond]

Originally Posted by OceanWinds

This I agree and disagree on. Indigo is just a label... its a set of rules that a person uses to define themselves. This definition limits a persons potential, and there by limits their power.

Again, by using this name tag we are refering to a specific group of people who naturally share a number of distinguishing characteristics. This isnt some dreamed up 'who are you' test, its very basis concludes a long line of research and intesive analysis. So in scientific terms we could say this is proven. And you cant expect me to provide all of that research right here in this post, its out there if your willing to look.

So ok then, lets try your approach. Lets not look at the facts and continue medicating all these so called autistic children. Lets be witness to the levels of autism setting new records every year.
Lets choose to ignore the fact that many parents report having no problem communicating with their children, they do it mind to mind.

These kids psychic abilities are much more advanced then ours, and they must be viewed for what they are.. not told, "go back to school, be normal, be like everyone else" only to eventually loose their talents and become soulless machines like the rest of society.

Originally Posted by OceanWinds

A person can realize they are their own leader without labeling themselves, and looking within. And by categorizing ourselves, we are seperating ourselves from each other... by labeling yourself as an indigo, you have now created a duality. Indigos... and those who are not indigos... and you categorize them into a box you call negative, and judge them by it. Infact you even feel you are better than them... and have said it many times.

If you paid more attention to the current posts in this thread you would have noticed that i specifically outlined why i was using this label.
Yes, do go back and read it all. I just know you were just dying to jump in with your two cents before reading the rest of the posts.

Originally Posted by OceanWinds

Please show the evidence... if you know this is a fact. Because as it stands I do not see any difference between any human.

I find it humerous that you have such a strong opinion on something you openly know nothing about.
If you knew even a small bit about this subject or done the slightest bit of research you would not be asking this question.

Originally Posted by OceanWinds

I understand very well consciousness is unified. And I agree that when people polarize their thinking to well-being, it has a chain effect on the planet. This is not something anyone will argue. Questions now remain after these statements. Is indigo a state of mind? or is it a perpetual state of being that cannot be changed?

"Is in Indigo a state of mind" ..?.. You really havent read through this thread have you. Ive already stated clearly here what is already stated in the english dictionary.
The term "indigo" is used to describe certain people who naturally exhibit specific charachteristics. Dont be getting lonely and cranky now if that doesnt apply to you.


Now, just to put this into retrospect for you if someone came up to you and said "I dont like you calling that thing a spoon, where'd the name spoon come out of anyway.. i think the whole idea sucks!" wouldnt you just sit back and think, what a fcuking moron. It doesnt matter what i call it, its what it does thats important. And how i can pick up soup with it when if just falls through a fork. And how when combined with a knife it makes for cleaner fingers after dinner.

Originally Posted by OceanWinds

So now according to you there are three groups. There are indigos, highly positive souls, and those who are degenerates to the world. And if it were not for the highly positive oriented souls and indigos everyone would be lost to the dark forces. By implication you saying that indigos are the saviours of humanity because just by being here they are waking everyone up.

Yes. Of course, any why not?.. its entirely plausible. From the age of 6 i was asking my parents and my religion teacher questions they could not answer. And not only that but i was questioning their integrity for believing something that a child of my age completely rejected. I know many people like this, all who have come into this world at different times over the past 25 years.

And i didnt officialy claim that there was just "Three groups" you obviously dont have much ability to read between the lines do you. Your just off-topic nit picking now.

Originally Posted by OceanWinds

But so far from many of the self proclaimed indigos here I have seen some pretty degenerative stuff. And when they are questioned, the ones who act degeneratively get upset. Hardly the actions of a saviour...

Please, elaborate.

Actually before you do lets see some of the degenerative stuff youve posted ;

lol... there are people the world over that are dangling at the end of a rope. Does that make them indigo children too?

Now that was such a damn good call for a joke wasnt it. You need to grow up and have a bit more respect for other people and their families. Get a life.

Originally Posted by OceanWinds

You are not less than Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, Ghandi, Mother Teresa or anyone else

Yes I am. And so are you. You cannot pretend that everyone running around blindly living their life without any thought for others is better then those who concentrate on making this world good for all. Thats a ridiculous statement.
There are polarities. And as social creatures we will not advance until we accept that we are anything but godly or devine right now. We may have that potential but we certainly dont express it. Dont be so quick too toot your own horn or any others on this planet because right now the way things are them people are better then us. We should be aknowledging this and learning from it.

Originally Posted by OceanWinds

I havent been "bloody arguing", I have been debating. I have an open mind, and am totally willing to change my mind if someone gives me some good input. And again... you are not better than anyone or anything. And as long as you believe this, you are in agreement and are accepting the actions of those you judge. And here is why...

Your current spectrum of information is determined by your ability to communicate. You came on here flaunting your opinion and calling me elitist on a subject that you openly accepted you havent researched very well. You are not in a position to debate.

Originally Posted by OceanWinds

Conclusion.... I now see indigo as a possiblity. Just like starchildren... However I dont think its wise categorize ones self as an indigo, because this could limit a person from evolving and achieving new heights. Rather a person should accept what they are, and strive to meet their spiritual needs without rules or limitations. Extending love into everything, while following their inspiriation...

Ive very clearly outlined exactly why i am using the label to categorise a specific group of people. Get with the program will ya, jeeeezus.




And for future reference before you go to all the effort of typing any more off topic stuff read the topic description first.

This thread is assigned to a specific topic. Its not to debate the existance of indigos. If you wish to make a thread for this specific reason i would be glad to drop in my own two cents.

Originally Posted by 2infinityandbeyond

Again, by using this name tag we are refering to a specific group of people who naturally share a number of distinguishing characteristics. This isnt some dreamed up 'who are you' test, its very basis concludes a long line of research and intesive analysis. So in scientific terms we could say this is proven. And you cant expect me to provide all of that research right here in this post, its out there if your willing to look.

Indigo is a label, it labels certain set of defined characteristics. According to those specific characteristics... 99.9% of humanity falls under them, the other 0.1% that dont probably being in a coma.

And again I have yet to see any extensive research for indigos. I have read of instances where people are found having extra activated DNA... and so forth. But this does not necessarily make them indigo. Could you please point me in the right direction.

So ok then, lets try your approach. Lets not look at the facts and continue medicating all these so called autistic children. Lets be witness to the levels of autism setting new records every year.

Lets choose to ignore the fact that many parents report having no problem communicating with their children, they do it mind to mind.

These kids psychic abilities are much more advanced then ours, and they must be viewed for what they are.. not told, "go back to school, be normal, be like everyone else" only to eventually loose their talents and become soulless machines like the rest of society.

I dont know why you posted this... I never suggested at any time that harmful medicating, mercury amalgam fillings, and what is ok by any means. I also never suggested that parents cannot communicate with their children mind to mind... but this is hardly specific to indigo.

I agree that being forced to conform is not acceptable, and that we need to follow our inspiration. But this has nothing specific to do with being indigo, because this is a trait that is shared by all of humanity.

If you paid more attention to the current posts in this thread you would have noticed that i specifically outlined why i was using this label.
Yes, do go back and read it all. I just know you were just dying to jump in with your two cents before reading the rest of the posts.

As for jumping in with my two cents.. I have read your posts.... twice now. The first time I glanced over it because it looks like a symptom sheet for prescribing medication. Reading it carefully the second time, not much has changed. As well it covers so much area... that I am 99.9% of humanity falls under these categories... the other 0.01% being in a coma.

As well your ignoring the original content that I posted in regards the categories you have created through labeling.

And after reading it closely again I have seen something which is potentially disturbing. "Indigo children are children who are believed to represent a higher state of human evolution." I have seen where talk like this in the past has led. (SS)

I find it humerous that you have such a strong opinion on something you openly know nothing about. If you knew even a small bit about this subject or done the slightest bit of research you would not be asking this question.

Its not an opinion. Its me pointing things out flaws your posts. And you make assumptions that I have done no research. I have done research... and the funny thing is that all I can find is inconclusive and full of speculation. If you can point me in the right direction I would appreciate it.

The reason I have a hard time with the indigo is because all the great spiritual works, and all the great spiritual teachers explain that this is nothing more than a person labeling themselves. And I would be more than happy to show you.

"Is in Indigo a state of mind" ..?.. You really havent read through this thread have you. Ive already stated clearly here what is already stated in the english dictionary.
The term "indigo" is used to describe certain people who naturally exhibit specific charachteristics. Dont be getting lonely and cranky now if that doesnt apply to you.

I am sorry I did not memorize the characteristics. But thank you for being so tolerant, open minded, and tactful, and for pointing me to the right information. But these characteristics you mention, as I have read them twice now... cover 99.9% of humanity. And dont worry... I dont define myself as anything, so I am not upset.... thanks for caring though.

Now, just to put this into retrospect for you if someone came up to you and said "I dont like you calling that thing a spoon, where'd the name spoon come out of anyway.. i think the whole idea sucks!" wouldnt you just sit back and think, what a fcuking moron. It doesnt matter what i call it, its what it does thats important. And how i can pick up soup with it when if just falls through a fork. And how when combined with a knife it makes for cleaner fingers after dinner.

So now you are saying that the term indigo is not important, but rather what they do is. Thank you for seeing my point. Because its not important what a person labels themselves as... as much as how they act.

Yes. Of course, any why not?.. its entirely plausible. From the age of 6 i was asking my parents and my religion teacher questions they could not answer. And not only that but i was questioning their integrity for believing something that a child of my age completely rejected. I know many people like this, all who have come into this world at different times over the past 25 years.

And i didnt officialy claim that there was just "Three groups" you obviously dont have much ability to read between the lines do you. Your just off-topic nit picking now.

I was trying to show you how labels separate society, rather than encompass it.

Please, elaborate.

I need only look through this entire thread. I see self proclaimed indigos insulting others, provoking others, acting in a condescending manner, and acting irrationally, and in an elitist fashion... in fact I see it in your last post to me. If you cant see it for yourself, then you must be blind. And this is not an insult, this is a mild observation.

Actually before you do lets see some of the degenerative stuff youve posted

Now that was such a damn good call for a joke wasnt it. You need to grow up and have a bit more respect for other people and their families. Get a life.

This wasnt degenerative at all... what I did was find a hole in your arguement, then laughed at it. I wasnt laughing at peoples problems... when reading my post you should be able see this, because it is very obvious. Think about it... how does being an indigo have to do with being at the end of a rope. It doesnt... being frustrated and "at the end of ones rope" is something that spans the entire of humanity. I am sorry you saw my post this way.

As for getting a life, and having respect for peoples families. You dont know me, you dont know anything about me. You dont know who my friends or family is. So keep it to the topic. I volunteer at least 10 hours a week with the homeless, thanks for making assumptions. And the next time I need your advice I will ask for it. And just to point this out... that comment was degenerative.

Yes I am. And so are you. You cannot pretend that everyone running around blindly living their life without any thought for others is better then those who concentrate on making this world good for all. Thats a ridiculous statement.

Again you are making assumptions. You have lost your ability to argue and have stepped to the level of throwing insults. You have not made the world better with these posts...

And again you choose to ignore my statement that All the great spiritual teachers taught us that we are all equal. Your opinion of this doesnt change a thing about their beliefs, actions, and teachings. I am sorry you fail to see the obvious, or that you choose to ignore it.

And I never said living life blindly was productive... you are putting words in my mouth, or are making more assumptions. A person can extend love into everything they do. Now that doesnt mean a person should be ignorant. I can extend love to the greatest most vile and dangerous serial killer... but that doesnt mean I wont be careful when I am near him. Please dont confuse love with naivity.

There are polarities. And as social creatures we will not advance until we accept that we are anything but godly or devine right now. We may have that potential but we certainly dont express it. Dont be so quick too toot your own horn or any others on this planet because right now the way things are them people are better then us. We should be aknowledging this and learning from it.

And there are no polarities... there is only love, or the absence of it. There is no such thing as a dark switch... there is a light switch. There is light... or the absence of it. This is also obvious.

Your current spectrum of information is determined by your ability to communicate. You came on here flaunting your opinion and calling me elitist on a subject that you openly accepted you havent researched very well. You are not in a position to debate.

Again you are forming opinions... my ability to communicate is fine. And I may be extending some opinions, however I am mostly just pointing out the obvious. Something that many here have been trying to show you to no avail. As for calling you an elitist... I never did, you did it to yourself by your own words. And as for your opinion on my ability to debate... I am not the one who had to stoop to name calling.

But its obvious that you do not want a generative discussion regarding indigo... you choose to see everyone attacking you, and your faith. And I will continue to post in here as long as you choose to retort.

[bowspearer]

Originally Posted by OceanWinds

The more I see the posts of self proclaimed indigos... the more I see people who are suffering, and are looking for something to explain it.

And yet therein lies the reason why all the negative people in this thread need to give things a rest.

The fact is that if what's been said is true, Indigos are on the verge of becoming full blown superhumans (although there are signs of the start of that as we speak). Similar to the Xmen concept of mutants, Indigos are generally shunned by society for being non-conformists and "different". That difference and the pain it has caused have resulted in many of us having very real battles with depression, because of how our worthless upbringings have left us feeling.

Yet threads like this counteract that by saying that difference doesn't make people worthless, but rather, incredibly special and a source of hope for the world.

It's a place where we can talk with similar people, learn about this and feel accepted for once in our lives, and celebrated for who and what we are, rather than ostracised by it.

Maybe if the likes of Swanny actually took a step back from this to gain some perspective, rather than continuing to propagate their little pissing contest out of some brainless and self-centred form of fun, they'd come to realise that!

Thankyou for your tactful and dignified responce... I am honored by your willingness to participate with myself in and others who want to discuss this in a way that is generative... even if all parties do not necessarily agree on every point.

However after reading the threads I have a better understanding of the term indigo... I see it is harmless in intent... and actually sheds a light on things not otherwise discussed. So in this way it is generative.

The only problem being the EGO... which can take what it wants from the definitions of indigo and use them as a means to separate humanity, and degenerate it collectively... as opposed to unifying it. This has been done countless times using religion,scripture and its dogma. And this is the point that many have been trying to express... its not that we are trying to destroy the indigo, that was never the intention.

So I feel that Indigo can be an important tool in people discovering things about themselves.. And that the recognition of these things will help them to find ways to express their spirit. As well as a means to help people to connect, and discuss these issues. But remember that this has the potential to be a knife which cuts both ways...

[Swanny]

I now understand why indigo people feel no one likes them

[TranceAm]

Originally Posted by Swanny

I now understand why indigo people feel no one likes them

Do you?

"One psychotherapist and Indigo proponent says, for these children, Ritalin will limit their amazing potential. After all, "these children are the answers to the prayers we all have for peace."
http://www.parentdish.com/2006/01/12...ew-york-times/

“Ritalin is the most often prescribed medication for ADHD. It is a stimulant that is closely related to amphetamine. Over 70 percent of all children diagnosed with ADHD are prescribed Ritalin. Another 20 percent are prescribed its generic equivalent, Methylphenidate (MPH), and another stimulant similar to Ritalin, Dexedrine."

"There are no firm figures on how many children are taking the drug. In the 1980s it was estimated that between 200,000 and 500,000 children were receiving stimulants. In 1987 750,000 children were believed to be on the medication. Both of these figures were the result of extrapolation from regional studies. A study done by the University of California, Irvine, Child Development Center estimated that in 1993 3 million children were diagnosed with ADHD. Ninety percent of these children were on medication; 1.3 million receiving Ritalin. Researchers believe that the number of children on Ritalin has grown to 3.5 million with another 1.4 million taking other medications, most likely Dexedrine."


"Production and use of Ritalin is expected to double by the year 2000, which would bring the number of children taking the medication to 7 million. Some estimate that ADHD affects 10 percent of all children. If this is so, it would mean that within a few years fully 10 million children could be on the drug."

"No other nation comes close to the US in the production and use of Ritalin. Ninety percent of all Ritalin is produced and used in the United States. Only Australia is close to the US in per capita use. Canada has seen a comparable rise, although it is still at about one-fourth of per capita use as compared to the United States. Britain has had a policy of intervening with social support for children with ADHD and using Ritalin only as a last resort, although these measures are being attacked because of budget cuts. Sweden prohibits use of the drug."
http://www.crystalchild.net/CrystalC...talin_Use.html

I guess that is what political dissedents felt in the former USSR,
Declared "in need for treatment" and put on medication. How many generations now are liked for who and what they are, instead of what society (people in power) drug them to be?

And finally:

All branches of the armed forces reject potential enlistees who use Ritalin or similar behavior-modifying medications.

A long-standing Department of Defense directive also instructs the military to reject those with a "chronic history" of an academic skills defect -- including ADD -- after age 12. And people who took Ritalin as teenagers to treat ADD, an inhibitor of academic skills, are rejected from military service, even if they no longer take the medication.

(I Consider that a "pro" ;-) ) http://www.nfgcc.org/64.htm

[Carol]

ADD is a medical condition where the normal blood flow to the frontal lobe is resticted. Subsequently these children engage in behaviors which are disruptive in an unconscious attempt to increase blood flow to the prefrontal cortex.

There is no blame or judgment here.. just the facts. Adults who have ADD tend to have children who have ADD. However, adults who use drugs and get pregnant.. continue to use drugs during the pregnancy, will often have babies who have neurological brian damage as a result and also be labled ADHD.

The different medications available attempt to enable the child to concentrate and stay focused. However, there is another way to treat these various brain disorders and that is through neurobiofeedback which stimulates various areas of the brain and subsequently increase the blood flow to the prefrontal cortex.

In recent research it was also shown that ADHD children's brains tended to develop differently and that some areas of the brain matured several years later as compared to normal children. This means that some of these children will outgrow their condition in their later teens.

As we have an adopted daughter whose birth mom did drugs I know about this subject backwards and forwards. We used neurobiofeedback with her beginning at age two. She had severe temper tantrums and was very destructive. We would have to wrap her in a sheet so that she wouldn't hurt herself or others until her fit was over. Later in school when she was 10 was the first time we decided to use medication to help her control her temper in school. We have found that massive doses of royal jelly and vitamin B complex works really well for her. Due to the side effects of the medication we stopped using them and now just use wholistic treatment.

There is a medical reason parents resort to medication and that should never be discounted. Each situation must be exmined from an individual perspective case-by-case. To make a general discounting statement about medication just demonstrates the lack of information that one really needs to be aware of when making a judgment regarding medicating kids.

I would recommend for everyone one Dr. Danial Amen's book. "Chang Your Brain, Chain Your Life" if you are truly interested in understanding how a deysfunctional brain really affects behavior.

[bowspearer]

Originally Posted by Carol

There is a medical reason parents resort to medication and that should never be discounted.

Obviously coming from someone completely clueless on the affects. Sorry but no parent could ever really love their child and put them on that curse if they truly knew what it does to you and the long term side effects it can cause (and I'm speaking purely in terms of medical side effects here).

[MMe M]

Originally Posted by Carol

ADD is a medical condition where the normal blood flow to the frontal lobe is resticted. Subsequently these children engage in behaviors which are disruptive in an unconscious attempt to increase blood flow to the prefrontal cortex.

There is no blame or judgment here.. just the facts. Adults who have ADD tend to have children who have ADD. However, adults who use drugs and get pregnant.. continue to use drugs during the pregnancy, will often have babies who have neurological brian damage as a result and also be labled ADHD.

The different medications available attempt to enable the child to concentrate and stay focused. However, there is another way to treat these various brain disorders and that is through neurobiofeedback which stimulates various areas of the brain and subsequently increase the blood flow to the prefrontal cortex.

In recent research it was also shown that ADHD children's brains tended to develop differently and that some areas of the brain matured several years later as compared to normal children. This means that some of these children will outgrow their condition in their later teens.

As we have an adopted daughter whose birth mom did drugs I know about this subject backwards and forwards. We used neurobiofeedback with her beginning at age two. She had severe temper tantrums and was very destructive. We would have to wrap her in a sheet so that she wouldn't hurt herself or others until her fit was over. Later in school when she was 10 was the first time we decided to use medication to help her control her temper in school. We have found that massive doses of royal jelly and vitamin B complex works really well for her. Due to the side effects of the medication we stopped using them and now just use wholistic treatment.

There is a medical reason parents resort to medication and that should never be discounted. Each situation must be exmined from an individual perspective case-by-case. To make a general discounting statement about medication just demonstrates the lack of information that one really needs to be aware of when making a judgment regarding medicating kids.

I would recommend for everyone one Dr. Danial Amen's book. "Chang Your Brain, Chain Your Life" if you are truly interested in understanding how a deysfunctional brain really affects behavior.

Carol,

All neurologists who have studied add so far disagree in a one single neurologigical finding for the treatment, cause and symptoms of aforementioned so called disease. It is not a disease to not fit in with 98% of the population. Personally, Id call it a blessing and do thank my lucky stars every day I dont fit in.

Most would ponder the owners of the big pharma, the agenda of the elitist mentality and those that own the companies that write the texts of the medical books and oversee the content of the cirriculum at medical schools. The same names come up time and again if you dig deep enough. The same people are on the tri-lateral commision, the cfr, and so on and so forth.

[AMA-GI]

Pride kills humility.......

Yes i am an indigo, it matters not though to me, nor should it to you.

I think all indigo's at some point suffer from to much pride, this is like a disease and must be controlled.

Without name dropping look at some of the channelers that most speak of on here....... This is a lesson all should learn, no matter if indigo or not. We all can suffer from too much pride in oneself.

There are beings whose eyes are only a little covered with dust, they may come to understand the truth.

[kauhane]

Swanny is displaying Indigo Traits
2infinity set this as a non-debate
so please if your not into it (Indigo Revolution)
take your riddelin & chill out
so some of us could learn more