14th October 2008

[Ali Quadir]

Originally Posted by NeoEmc2

That's funny because every channeled message I've ever read repeatedly has mentioned they do not want to be seen as Gods and be worshiped.

Explain to me. How are they going to avoid being worshiped when it is human nature to look for external objects to attach hopes and fears to? It's unfortunately not their choice whether we worship them or not. It is very naive to assume mankind will just treat them as equals. After all, they ARE Gods to many of our oldest definitions of what Gods are...

The first few books in the bible ARE about them. Are you seriously going to tell me there is no risk that we will worship them? Because we certainly did in the past.

[NeoEmc2]

Originally Posted by Ali Quadir

Explain to me. How are they going to avoid being worshiped when it is human nature to look for external objects to attach hopes and fears to? It's unfortunately not their choice whether we worship them or not. It is very naive to assume mankind will just treat them as equals. After all, they ARE Gods to many of our oldest definitions of what Gods are...

I think it's naive of you to assume people will worship them. Think of how many religions there are. Are you meaning to tell me everyone who follows those religions will assume that their God has come to save them? ... please What will happen after they leave? What will those people think? Will they think their God came and abandoned them?

Originally Posted by Ali Quadir

The first few books in the bible ARE about them. Are you seriously going to tell me there is no risk that we will worship them? Because we certainly did in the past.

Forget the past. The future is now. Try living in it.

Who is this we you are referring to? Is it you and your friends and family? Is it your neighbors? Who is it? It's certainly not me I tell you that much.

How about you look into way of preventing people around you from worshiping them considering you are aware that this event is possible. It's alright to think of such outcomes but instead try to find solutions to what you could do in case that happens. Why are you part of this forum? What led you here? What have you seen, heard or read that has made you think differently from everyone else around you? Do you believe in this ground crew business or are you just here to be a pessimist?

I'll assume for a moment that you do believe in the idea of the Ground Crew, so what is its purpose? Is it not to form communities of friends who are like minded so in case the **** hits the fan you have someone to turn to in all the craziness? Is the ground crew idea not designed to help those who are confused during the time when the **** hits the fan so that they can understand what exactly is going on?

Listen man, you either want this event to happen or you don't, regardless of the outcome. I for one wish and hope that it does so that our world is transformed forever. Whether it happens on the 14th or not is irrelevant to me because I know it will happen eventually. I've seen UFOs with my own eyes in plain day time. I don't just think they exist - I know. I'm ready, are you?

[Sanat]

If the ET's assesed that "humanity" would worship them they would not go through with this mission we are all a part of. They are highly evolved and do think humanity is ready for this. Perhaps that would be wise to take into consideration? Them showing up is a strong indicator that they asses the situation such as humanity is ready for them showing up, right? And since they are more evolved than most of us down here at this point, I would assume they know what they are doing better than most of us down here...

If they were non-integrous and wanted to be "worshipped" they would probably have done better to make their move some time ago when humanity was more inclined to fall for such things. Getting married to predictions will always color your perception of what is happening right now...

[Ali Quadir]

Honest questions, honest answers...

Originally Posted by NeoEmc2

I think it's naive of you to assume people will worship them. Think of how many religions there are. Are you meaning to tell me everyone who follows those religions will assume that their God has come to save them? ... please What will happen after they leave? What will those people think? Will they think their God came and abandoned them?

They have in the past.... Most religious people are only as religious as checking the box when the next religious survey comes along. The mosques and churches at this time are emptying and they have been for a long time. At the same time alternative religions are filling up. You don't want to feed the neo pagans and wiccan witches on this planet. You don't even want to know about the coming of maytreya and the scores of new agers begging aliens or angels to come and save us. All of them craving for the same change you're craving for. But change comes from within. Without us changing it cannot hold. Not even if enforced from the outside.

There is an old saying, a people gets the governments they deserve. And no matter how we dislike what is happening now. This is what WE created. Not something pushed unto us.

Forget the past. The future is now. Try living in it.

Do you mean this in the way of "Try not to learn from the past."? Really, how about not getting ahead of ourselves... And just living in the now. No desires, no hopes no fears. Truthfully and intensely being what we are.

Who is this we you are referring to? Is it you and your friends and family? Is it your neighbors? Who is it? It's certainly not me I tell you that much.

We is mankind. All of us. Our mind is one. When I say we, I mean that part of us that we all share an that is singular. If you had silenced the monkey chatter or studied the occult you would know about this. You claim not to worship aliens however I do seem to detect some hero worship here.... It's IMPOSSIBLE that Goodchild is wrong and those who think otherwise are just being "Negative". Or not in touch with their inner selves. They WILL come and change the world.

They will really do no such thing. It's the Star Trek prime directive. That principle was not invented on earth. Unless we change first, we are not ready.

It's alright to think of such outcomes but instead try to find solutions to what you could do in case that happens. Why are you part of this forum? What led you here? What have you seen, heard or read that has made you think differently from everyone else around you? Do you believe in this ground crew business or are you just here to be a pessimist?

Are you really asking? Because my journey as a member of the ground crew started when I was 8 years old. Actually a while before that if you believe the information I received at that time. I knew all this stuff more than 20 years ago. Before the internet before anyone was there to tell me about it I knew. Not in the amount of detail I know it now. But I knew the earth changes, I knew about the dark side, and I knew the light side. I knew who I am and I knew what mankind is. I have also (Against my better judgement) experienced the previous apocalypse rush. I have followed and studied the many prophecies made over the last few millennia. Diven deep into ancient mythology/sacred geometry. I've been initiated into two mystery traditions. And I have followed the spirit/et channels on the web, as wel as communicated with my own.

But really all that I am saying is common sense. My background should make no difference.

I'll assume for a moment that you do believe in the idea of the Ground Crew, so what is its purpose? Is it not to form communities of friends who are like minded so in case the **** hits the fan you have someone to turn to in all the craziness? Is the ground crew idea not designed to help those who are confused during the time when the **** hits the fan so that they can understand what exactly is going on?

When the doodoo hits the fan. All your preparations will mean nothing. When what is going to occur does occur you're not going to be pressed for a fire. If you want to learn survival skills for that period you need to learn to master your fear, you need to silence the monkey chatter, to just act from another level than your rational/emotional mind, and you need to have the basics in place about psychic defense and attack. If you do not understand the way your mind works you cannot resist when it is manipulated.

And my friend we are being manipulated.

Listen man, you either want this event to happen or you don't, regardless of the outcome.

Hope and fear are the distortions that lead us to stop seeing clearly. The fact that our world is in chaos right now and that all this could happen is because we stopped seeing clearly. We put our faith in those placed above us. And started hoping for or fearing things beyond our control.

So no... I do not "want" this, I also do not "not want" this... I am where I am and what comes will come.

I for one wish and hope that it does so that our world is transformed forever. Whether it happens on the 14th or not is irrelevant to me because I know it will happen eventually. I've seen UFOs with my own eyes in plain day time. I don't just think they exist - I know.

When I was a child, I communicated with an entity. It took care of me, gave me advice, and told me about the universe. Over the years it just became a part of me. You could call me a symbiont. Though in reality all of us are completely merged with all others anyway. I know it will happen. I've always known. I also know the game that is being played now.

One side is trying to gain control over the earth, for their own egotistical desires. They are trying to create the ONE being by aligning everything and everyone towards the top of a hierarchy. The antichrist I spoke of earlier will be a variant of that one being. It is powerfull because all give up their power to him.

Another side is working to push the earth squarely into the hands of responsible earthlings and nurturing them to become what they must be. Like farming, just take away the rocks and the nasty bugs and the seed will do the growing. In a sense creating the ONE with the understanding that inside we are one, when we become aware of this aspect of us that is called attaining christ consciousness and also equated to the second coming of christ. However, it is already there. You can communicate with it. The biggest problem you'll have is discovering which parts of self that you took for granted are part of it. One hint, it's the most subtle part.

Something that we on average are not yet ready to express at this time though most of us are very close. They cannot interfere directly but covertly and through the action of informed individuals they are taking over control and managing the garden. This started centuries ago. The dark side had the planet in a death grip. But they're losing it. Like water erodes stone. And there is nothing that can be done about it. This is just the final spasms.

If full contact were made at this point. We would instantly focus on them as our savior. In effect they would become our new messias. This is exactly opposed what they are trying to accomplish (Keeping the garden clear so the seed can grow) so I think I can be pretty sure it won't happen.

I'm ready, are you?

Ready for what? Do you really know that? Are you able to discern the psychedelic nature of what is happening from the materialistic movie that is being played?

As for me. Don't worry about me. I am fine, I have always been fine, and I will always be fine no matter what the circumstances. I am not this mortal being.

The sleeper will awaken.
My soul is your soul.


@Average Joe....
You really need to make up your own mind. Reliability is very subjective. I'm not trying to blow you off. My apologies for accusing you of "fishing"...

Go to the divine cosmos, download the books there. And read. It will make your ears spin. And comes with references and scientific support every step of the way. This is the most reliable material I can find. It's enough to cause a paradigm shift in a man. Even if maybe it is a bit much at times. Be smart, read the indices and pick topics you're interested in the whole 3 books takes a months to get through.

(Un)fortunately that guy does not believe in the october 14th event. I also do not believe it. But for any other questions on other topics I'll be glad to forward you to material on the net that might answer them. Pm me.

The shift of the ages
The science of oneness
The divine cosmos.

[Average Joe]

Yes I really do need to make up my own mind. But I can't make my mind up on no information.

Thanks for pointing me towards some information.

[henners]

Thanks for the post on youtube Sanat. Once again i am impressed with the information . It is exactly how i feel.