Message for the Human/Earth crew

[rev]

I'm talking about getting IN (us) and cleaning sht. Anyway this thread is not about the music only.

I understand that but you made the remark. I merely responded to the accusations made.

So you made a thread to say, hey everyone know yourself? Ok. Duly noted.



Also proof of internal change and true intent, is always revealed externally by actions. Hence getting out and active proves internal change has taken place or is taking place. Encouraging people acting in the right direction would be far more internally cleansing then scolding people who don't even know where to begin in making such a drastic change or how to do it.

[nagualton]

Originally Posted by rev

Also proof of internal change and true intent, is always revealed externally by actions. Hence getting out and active proves internal change has taken place or is taking place. Encouraging people acting in the right direction would be far more internally cleansing then scolding people who don't even know where to begin in making such a drastic change or how to do it.

Just turn your concept upside down and you will hit the target. On the way you put it, becomes simple manipulation. In that case ignorance is bless. But for whom?

Solving own traumas will free us from concepts and manipulated perceptions of this civilization. What's wrong with that? What can you lose? Who's losing?

[rev]

On the way you put it, becomes simple manipulation. In that case ignorance is bless. But for whom?

No it becomes influential. Manipulation has an intent to control or conform. If you are trying to free someone you cannot do it yourself, they have to do it. On the level you are talking. Hence you cannot impose your will or make commands and orders for them to follow otherwise you are completely guilty of what you say you aren't and that is imposing your will with an intent to change per your desires and what you see fit. What you can do is share your own inner self and express it. If someone is moved by it, so be it. Powerful creative expression in any way shape or form can do that. Of course there is a dark side to it, and we see it everyday.

Solving own traumas will free us from concepts and manipulated perceptions of this civilization. What's wrong with that? What can you lose? Who's losing?

How exactly is this done?

[nagualton]

[QUOTE=rev;39621]No it becomes influential. Manipulation has an intent to control or conform. If you are trying to free someone you cannot do it yourself, they have to do it. On the level you are talking. Hence you cannot impose your will or make commands and orders for them to follow otherwise you are completely guilty of what you say you aren't and that is imposing your will with an intent to change per your desires and what you see fit. What you can do is share your own inner self and express it. If someone is moved by it, so be it. Powerful creative expression in any way shape or form can do that. Of course there is a dark side to it, and we see it everyday.

Hi Rev,

What is freedom?

[Rareheart]

I started to like this thread...then it turned a corner.

a piece of my brain as been pulled and twisted like taffy

The "taffy" metaphor works for me. When taffy is stretched...it never returns to it's original dimensions...same as novel thoughts expanding ones psyche.

The directions and proportions of this 'stretching' are controlled by many things, not the least of which is "free-will". Some who read these words see attacks being made:

I understand that but you made the remark. I merely responded to the accusations made.

accusation=attack (in this context) Remark does not equal attack (imho)

This thread started as a message...which in turn was mis-interpreted...by ego.

please be aware which part of yourself/you is "behind the wheel".

Seek and Share Love and Light.

[rev]

This is the accusation made I was responding to:

We can't change the world by playing guitars and singing beautiful songs

I responded and obviously disagree for reasons stated through out.

Besides, after the above he says,

Don't underestimate your being.

Whatever. We can change the world that way. Don't care what any of you say about that because IMO.

This thread started as a message..

Which was? You can change the world, but you can't unless you listen to me and forget about change via music. If the entire point of the thread was to simply say know thyself well preaching to the choir is really old and getting pretty pointless. Instead criticism was given for those who might use music and frequency to unlock their hidden strands which in effect cause internal change or at least a good step in that direction.

which in turn was mis-interpreted...by ego.

Yeah who has the egos around here bud? He said himself the thread was about what I was talking about, just not the point of the WHOLE thread:

Anyway this thread is not about the music only.

Not about music only. Implying it is about music and more. I was just addressing music as that is what I was responding to. If you people would read without slanted and furrowed eyebrows you might open your eyes enough to actually see the words. I wasn't attacking, I was disagreeing and putting on pressure for him to back up what he said. If he can't whatever. You light sider guys acting like jedi coming to save someone, can save it. You showed your own true colors.

All this **** about telling people not to conform and what happens when someone strongly disagrees to something said? Exactly. Thanks.

please be aware which part of yourself/you is "behind the wheel".

There is no wheel. I am more than a mere vessel. Much more. Enjoy your drive. Again, the preaching to the choir thing is pretty tired. Besides, of all the alledged star kids and indigos here, about 2 or 3 can actually verify it in any way. In fact a whopping majority regurgitate the same light side control ****. Blue beam! I have noticed people here, especially those new agers and indigos, get real upset at some of the things I have said. Going so far as privately telling me to go **** myself. I appreciate that. It proves my point. The hypocrisy here stinks to high hell. The truth hurts. That is why you get mad. The first response to truth is always what? Denial! Fierce denial! That is right. Ain't control programming a bitch?! Yeah, thanks for the new age lesson Ringo.

Hi Rev,

What is freedom?

I am hoping this is a serious query. Gonna take it as such and give an honest answer. At least what I can of an answer. Gonna be my last too.

Freedom is the ability to see every option. Choice is not freedom. Otherwise you would be able to pick all the options at once, or just the ones that suit your fancy. Sometimes choice is not available and we need that freedom to see our way out of it, understand and grow from it. We are masters of our fate, but destiny is not ours to choose. The universe is no different than a human body in that it contains the same aspects. Spirit, matter, and as usual always at odds with eachother, but completely necessary for all to be.

People have a perception of freedom. They base that perception from a point in which freedom is options and choosing one of many. I think of freedom as an ability to see all the options and I think the word takes on the most meaning when you are faced with little or no choices. When you must act in the kinetic and literally let the force guide you. That is freedom. For some it is the level of authoritative will imposed over another, for some it is choosing, for me it is seeing. So long as I can "see" I am free. Free to choose, free to act, free to think, and free not to think or make a conscious choice. To use my abilities as a triad human being to their fullest.

I guess I place a more potential tag on freedom, where as most would place it on the act in the kinetic, or ability to do so under imposition or oppression by a higher force. Also, if you can see a good route, but you know you have to take this one in which it is gonna be hard, but maybe someone needs you there. In that case, how does freedom apply when you choose the tougher road knowing that and being able to see both road outcomes?

Peace out "ground crew".

Know thyself. Could've just said it like that.

[nagualton]

concept again.

[Rareheart]

Rev,
I'm only writing this to insure you that I have read your response to my "comments". (note: "comments"...not attacks).
I'd also like you to be aware that I don't share your "need to be right".
You seem to be defending your position...why?

Have you missed the law of Allowance?

Again...be careful not to take my words as more attacks on your "stance"...for I truly care not what you think. (I never shared your anger in this topic either)

Just smile and allow others to think as they will.

[rev]

You seem to be defending your position...why?

No, I am defending my person against distractive character attacks upon myself for raising valid points of conjecture or my "position". I have yet to actually defend my position. Something I have been saying this whole time.

I'd also like you to be aware that I don't share your "need to be right".

Again this is not the point and has been a way to drag everything away from the objective arguments raised. This has nothing to do with me being right, this has everything to do with the thread creator explaining himself on certain comments made. If I am wrong then prove it. Debate me. Instead I get a bunch of the typical new age rhetoric all implied to take care of me before anyone "has" to address my comments and arguements.

Have you missed the law of Allowance?

Have you totally missed the point? Is this a place to come and spout whatever without being challenged on anything said? There is no room for argument here, I am living proog, so practice what you preach.

Again...be careful not to take my words as more attacks on your "stance"...for I truly care not what you think.

You do actually care or you wouldn't have responded at all. Also I like how you threaten me and then tell me you don't care about what I said. That is the programming. Again thank you guys for proving my points on light side blue beaming. You see you make many points with so few words. Again it isn't about my stance, no one has addressed anything I said. You all just have a problem with me and the fact that I actually don't fit in with you humans. Otherwise my points would have been addressed/nullified and I would have sat down long ago. Instead I am told to sit down, not because of what I have said, simply how I have said it, so bluntly, and so openly. Which makes it OK to ignore what I said and call me a know it all based on literal post examination and selection to draw words to fit your own conclusions about me, and again not about what I said.

How could I expect you to feel anger? The world burns and all you care about is smiling and feeling good about yourself, and letting it happen while preaching a bunch of disinfo and misinfo about light side knowledge. Of course you wouldn't care about musical expression. You said it. You don't care. Only enough to respond on the internet to someone who is challenging the control and spell you are under.

Seems everyone is blinded by the light or drowning in darkness these days. Bi polar madness. How else would you get order through chaos? To get the chaos you need to opposing sides. A bi polar conflict. But you guys are so above everyone and in the position to judge, so allow me to show myself to the door.

As long as you are happy....

rev over and out. I won't bother you guys with reality any more. I can see you are tucked in and still sleeping soundly. Pretty grumpy if you get nudged or moved while you slumber too. You guys are helping people wake up? Helping people know themselves? How?

Again you guys have avoided my actual points like the plague. Blue beam conformity is not freedom my friends. Someday you might actually wake up and see that.

I do care about many things as well. I am outspoken in my cause. Liberation is not achieved by simply wishing and thinking good thoughts. that is complacent conditioning. Liberation is achieved through struggle. How hard that struggle is depends on how smart you are. After all, most of you think it is about standing in herds and ruffling feathers at those you blame for your own voluntary entrapment. You volunteer yourself as a slave and make it legal and then say you are gonne use a legal document against them? No. You are legally wrong. Red light, do not pass go and do not collect 200 bucks. If you stand in groups protesting and trying to say you have rights you have legally abandoned and are now subject to strict statutes and acts, well you are providing the other end of the bi polar interaction being induced. You are the plant eaters. They have made you passive, but you think you are asserting yourself. You are merely exposing yourself for the meat eaters when they come for you.

People do need to wake up. If you argue the above paragraph, then you prove by opening your mouth you don't know who or what you are. You have an idea of what your soul is, and you understand there is a connection, but you fail to see how all things incorporate. You have freed your spirit. That is the first part. The first step in any creation is always spirit and intent. You all seem to have one, the next step is formulation and thinking. Using the mind. The way. The last step is acting in the physical on the way shown through the overall harmony to achieve what was birthed in the spirit or in the unseen.

To not conform you have to break molds and literally see that this whole thing is an actual deception as well as a rich metaphoric one. In the world of wolves, they speak a different language, they behave in another world. To actually attain the freedom or liberation everyone seeks, you will have to meet them in their world, raise the curtain on the wizard yourself, and then walk away from the illusion after you have abandoned that world from that world. You have to say no in their language, you have to claim your rights in their world. You cannot abandon it from here. You need to enter their world which is responsible for this matrix of socio economic slavery, and sever your own cord from the source.

Since none of you have said anything remotely close to this, I am going to run with my opinion that you guys have a clue, but have a lot to learn yet. Especially since it is claimed that the root of this thread is to spread an awareness and urgency to know oneself. You figured out your soul, big deal. None of you can remember anything contained in it. No history or parts of the personal equation. Just spiritual rhetoric.

I am not saying any one here doesn't know themself, I am saying there are many more aspects to it than what is commonly repeated on forums like these, and that there is much more to it. There is an old passage from an old book that says,

Cursed is the flesh that longs for the soul,
and cursed is the soul that longs for the flesh.

It is a warning from Jesus Christ about what I was talking about in regards to bi polar control methods and order through engineered chaos.

So long Avalon Kids. Procyon sends its regards.

MTFBWYall

[Lance]

Originally Posted by rev

No, I am defending my person against distractive character attacks upon myself for raising valid points of conjecture or my "position". I have yet to actually defend my position. Something I have been saying this whole time.



Again this is not the point and has been a way to drag everything away from the objective arguments raised. This has nothing to do with me being right, this has everything to do with the thread creator explaining himself on certain comments made. If I am wrong then prove it. Debate me. Instead I get a bunch of the typical new age rhetoric all implied to take care of me before anyone "has" to address my comments and arguements.



Have you totally missed the point? Is this a place to come and spout whatever without being challenged on anything said? There is no room for argument here, I am living proog, so practice what you preach.



You do actually care or you wouldn't have responded at all. Also I like how you threaten me and then tell me you don't care about what I said. That is the programming. Again thank you guys for proving my points on light side blue beaming. You see you make many points with so few words. Again it isn't about my stance, no one has addressed anything I said. You all just have a problem with me and the fact that I actually don't fit in with you humans. Otherwise my points would have been addressed/nullified and I would have sat down long ago. Instead I am told to sit down, not because of what I have said, simply how I have said it, so bluntly, and so openly. Which makes it OK to ignore what I said and call me a know it all based on literal post examination and selection to draw words to fit your own conclusions about me, and again not about what I said.

How could I expect you to feel anger? The world burns and all you care about is smiling and feeling good about yourself, and letting it happen while preaching a bunch of disinfo and misinfo about light side knowledge. Of course you wouldn't care about musical expression. You said it. You don't care. Only enough to respond on the internet to someone who is challenging the control and spell you are under.

Seems everyone is blinded by the light or drowning in darkness these days. Bi polar madness. How else would you get order through chaos? To get the chaos you need to opposing sides. A bi polar conflict. But you guys are so above everyone and in the position to judge, so allow me to show myself to the door.

As long as you are happy....

rev over and out. I won't bother you guys with reality any more. I can see you are tucked in and still sleeping soundly. Pretty grumpy if you get nudged or moved while you slumber too. You guys are helping people wake up? Helping people know themselves? How?

Again you guys have avoided my actual points like the plague. Blue beam conformity is not freedom my friends. Someday you might actually wake up and see that.

I do care about many things as well. I am outspoken in my cause. Liberation is not achieved by simply wishing and thinking good thoughts. that is complacent conditioning. Liberation is achieved through struggle. How hard that struggle is depends on how smart you are. After all, most of you think it is about standing in herds and ruffling feathers at those you blame for your own voluntary entrapment. You volunteer yourself as a slave and make it legal and then say you are gonne use a legal document against them? No. You are legally wrong. Red light, do not pass go and do not collect 200 bucks. If you stand in groups protesting and trying to say you have rights you have legally abandoned and are now subject to strict statutes and acts, well you are providing the other end of the bi polar interaction being induced. You are the plant eaters. They have made you passive, but you think you are asserting yourself. You are merely exposing yourself for the meat eaters when they come for you.

People do need to wake up. If you argue the above paragraph, then you prove by opening your mouth you don't know who or what you are. You have an idea of what your soul is, and you understand there is a connection, but you fail to see how all things incorporate. You have freed your spirit. That is the first part. The first step in any creation is always spirit and intent. You all seem to have one, the next step is formulation and thinking. Using the mind. The way. The last step is acting in the physical on the way shown through the overall harmony to achieve what was birthed in the spirit or in the unseen.

To not conform you have to break molds and literally see that this whole thing is an actual deception as well as a rich metaphoric one. In the world of wolves, they speak a different language, they behave in another world. To actually attain the freedom or liberation everyone seeks, you will have to meet them in their world, raise the curtain on the wizard yourself, and then walk away from the illusion after you have abandoned that world from that world. You have to say no in their language, you have to claim your rights in their world. You cannot abandon it from here. You need to enter their world which is responsible for this matrix of socio economic slavery, and sever your own cord from the source.

Since none of you have said anything remotely close to this, I am going to run with my opinion that you guys have a clue, but have a lot to learn yet. Especially since it is claimed that the root of this thread is to spread an awareness and urgency to know oneself. You figured out your soul, big deal. None of you can remember anything contained in it. No history or parts of the personal equation. Just spiritual rhetoric.

I am not saying any one here doesn't know themself, I am saying there are many more aspects to it than what is commonly repeated on forums like these, and that there is much more to it. There is an old passage from an old book that says,

Cursed is the flesh that longs for the soul,
and cursed is the soul that longs for the flesh.

It is a warning from Jesus Christ about what I was talking about in regards to bi polar control methods and order through engineered chaos.

So long Avalon Kids. Procyon sends its regards.

MTFBWYall

Nicely Put. I'll not take sides but I am enjoying the banter.

[nagualton]

Cleaning our inner mirror will bring change on the surface. This is energetic fact. The rest is thinking.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by nagualton

concept again.

Spot on...keep up yer (sic) questing. These are the things most don't want to conceptualize because...I don't know. They don't.