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ill also add that alex said the beings he was in contact with view us as "genetic royalty"
this should tip you off that you should use some common sense. if a being is advanced and "enlightened" im 100% they wouldnt view ANYTHING as royalty. and the ideas of war in space dont make sense either, look at our stage of development with nukes and now scalar tech,drones,bio-weapons, etc---- dont you think beings thousands,millions,billions years ahead of us technologically would be able to obliterate an enemy or a world in the blink of an eye? i think we are projecting our own limited scope of understanding and quantifying things in ways we can understand- just like when they said god was an old man with a white beard. quantum physics points to multi-dimensional existence, my guess is that negative earthbound enitities can easily pose as UFO's or a projection of an "alien" in order to manipulate whatever their agenda is, and that is separate from extraterrestrials. its all very complicated, especially when you factor in future human timetravelers in there as well, serving their own agenda. id venture to say that there is a whole host of earthbound paranormal phenomena as well as gvernment manipulation confusing the whole subject of ACTUAL visitors from other planets and galaxies. imagine many benevolent non interfering aliens watching and observing as the government, earthbound multidimensional beings, and future humans are ALL hijacking and infiltrating ufology and society at large to serve their own agendas, meanwhile TRUE contact is extreeeeemely rare. the nordics just strike me as more manipulation with "end times" prophecies wrapped in feel good lightworker gibberish. my opinion is that any contactee speaking to aliens from a "galactic federation" or "council of light" with a bunch of recycled egyptian names, who's message is to write books that .001% of the population reads, and that who's sole content is that we are destructive and that we shouldnt be is being manipulated . i dont think miriam delicado is lying, i just think she's been masterfully used and its a shame because these are good people who take the positive message of balance and personal responsibility but still serve their manipulators agenda. someone posted a good saying "the best lie is hidden between two truths" its manipulation to turn ET's into a kind of messianic religion that teaches how to be in balance and not destroy the planet. well guess what? we were doing that perfectly as homo sapiens for over 200,000 years living as tribes. civilization and the idea of classes and elite ruling powers / wars/famine /death /destruction all come with civilization. we dont need aliens to tell us the obvious and science is coming closer to spirituality everyday with quantum mechanics and the idea of "oneness" and that everything is conscioussess and that we are all connected is something we are collectively starting to understand, and it wasnt because some aliens made some random people write books in the new age section at barnes and nobles. believing that benevolent blue eyed beautiful nazi ET's that use mind control and erase your free will to serve them as well as use invasive surgery and have robo-grey slaves is up to you. if there evening news message of "head for the hills be afraid, be very afraid" or that our planet can only support 300 million people (straight from george greens pleiadians) and that depopulation HAS to happen, is up to you. my advice is to use serious discernment and not eat up every contactee/abductee that fits the prevailing paradigm. personally i find it funny that all those messages and techniques fall in line with the illuminati's ideas (hiding from the catastrophy/mind control/fear to rule/de population/white master race) if ALL that just seems like a wacky coincidence then your free to think that. i know this isnt the thrust at avalon but i hope some contrary ideas wont upset the goal and mission statement. bill has stated that you can always go elsewhere, hopefully i wont have to.
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'Buckle up dorothy, because Kansas is about to go bye bye'.
Nordics are not 'real'. They are not a specie of this gigaverse, nor are they a natural sentinent being in any gigaverse. They are biological machines for 'low vibratory field interaction'. They are the work horse of the shukra who need them to be able to 'interact' at our level. The Shukra are the beings whom people call 'greys'. The 'Nordics are their tools, nothing more. Neither good or bad, they do their job with no deviation - AI controlled tightly by a system is all they are. Vibrations. Ever wondered how a person being abducted can float through a wall or locked window? its all about raising or lowering vibrationary fields. The shukra cannot descend to our level so they need to lift us up. However, we got wise to this and started to object. So... they made machines to come give us a 'happy' message and hoping we 'go with them' then abduct and experiment on those poor souls they steal in the night. Now, the shukra cannot take you against your will, people started thinking about what the hell these bug eyed creatures were, and decided they were not friendly, and free will said 'no, your not taking me'. As said before, this is the reason they created the Nordic beings. Now, this may be outside alot of peoples comfort zones, but it has to be said. Any one who comes with a 'Nordics were real nice and loved me and gave me a great time' just has terrible false memories implanted to cover over the 'hand over' to the shukra. The shukra are also a created race, but billions of years old, and in a twist of irony were themselves created by a long extinct race BEORE this universe even came into being, but have now adapted into a sentinet hive minded system forever trying to achieve their created aim of 'domination by deciet'. In short, the Nordic are to be avoided. |
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I'm curious as to your source of information regarding the above statement.
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A being made entirely of light photons which is both sentinent and able to do many, many things we as humans would attribute to 'Angels'. Sentinent is a derogatory word when applied to these beings. Four steps removed from the 'Creator' would be a better way of putting it. In short, I should of been an abductee had they not interceded on my behalf. That was the start of the process 15 years ago of building my understanding of just how mental this world really is, and how many layers it stacks up to make what we blithley call 'reality'. It also showed me that this universe is one of 128 in our 'gigaverse', and our gigaverse rides on a double helix structure of trillions of other gigaverses in an eternal cycle of rise and fall. |
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Why is it I'm not surprised. Michau Kaku describes the multi-verse as multi-dimensional much like layers of pages of a book pressed together.
I was gifted with several spontanious spiritual journeys that took me into these various spiritual realms. Your story sounds wonderous. Perhaps some time you will share more.
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What she describes, and it shows in her eyes in the interview, is a "program" (perhaps a holographic projection) because it is known that the Greys can pose as another race.
She was quite evidently abducted by the Greys, and what she describes is a very uncomfortable encounter with the Greys. They deceive people. We know in our DNA not to trust the Greys no matter how they appear in form. I did not want to say the obvious at first, and I am glad clakkent found the passages in her work to draw your attention to what many others have noticed immediately when watching the interview. Again, I would like to suggest that those interested in all this read the book "Operation Trojan Horse" by John A. Keel who explains the entire phenomenon in a very level-headed manner. The real "Nordics" do not abduct people against their wish on to crafts or stuff like that, this is not how they work, and the contact level is completely different and via telepathy. They can also (rarely) appear among people and pass in broad daylight for earth humans. Usually the "contact" in form of guidance is from their crafts to some of us via an inner seeing. At least that is my experience. With the 3rd eye you can see (sense) the presence of their crafts. I hope this helps see clearer in the confusion.
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StClair, you're up late.
I've wondered about this as most of the positive expereinces involve an invitation, free will, conscious awareness, total recall, no false memory screens and so forth. There is a free exchange of info. On the other side is the opposite pheonomen. Screen memories, deception, taken against ones will, memory blocked and so on. I have always felt when there is not a mutual exchange of info, the one holding back is not operating to the good of the other. These grays decieve and cannot be trusted. They are associated with other aliens who feed off of negative emotions and some are just biological robots as well. I like Alex Collier's description of the aliens he had stayed with for 3 months. It seems his was a very positive experience indeed.
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Let me descirbe the shukra for you. The name 'shukra' is a derogatory term which means 'they who shun the light'.
They really are the darkest form of being. They live and operate in a self sustaining 'hive', with a very harsh caste system or heirachy. The smallest beings are 'workers', the larger more yellow skinned are 'Dr's', the reptil looking ones are the 'enforcers of will', the heavy almost armoured ones are soldiers to protect the hive, and then you have another layer of small shukra who keep order within the hive. Unlike the insectoid race they were genetically spliced from, their 'leader' is sterile and a small number of tanks and holding pens are where they 'breed'. In short, they are a biological 'machine' which is blindly carrying out its intended purpose of subjugating the gigaverse. However, they are at this very minute getting seven layers of s### kicked out of them. I'll explain another time about that, but its very heartening indeed to know we have some very strong allies keeping watch over us. Last edited by Sol Invictus; 10-02-2008 at 08:56 AM. Reason: Spelling |
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Are there many black abductees? Black and white=Grey
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The 1st question was honest Ive not heard of any black abductees have you? The second part was loosley based on the future human nazi types becoming nordics and the mix breeders eventually becoming greys.
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I find that ClarkKent is tackling this intelligently. If opposed, he does not turn the table around with one liners of the type (so are you), which brings nothing to the table and reduces the vibration of a conversation instead of going further.
People have not realized yet that you can discover a lot when talking outside of the thinking box. Actually, more can be discovered this way than by nearly any other means, short of being directly and consciously plugged to a systemic entity. Humanity is still quite susceptible to concepts of superiority. And, of course most of the time, we feel good when it is our own who is recognized as having a plus. We all know the idea behind flattery. Eugenics is a normal procedure in the universe. It is no great matter to a race who knows not death to seek and evolve the material vehicle it uses. Such a race has no attachment to the form, it creates the form. We, on the other hand, are captive of the form, we identify to the form, so the form has become sacred. There are more than one way to consider a concept of 'royalty'. The first one is obviously the concept that comes with the word itself and is historically based. But words are forms that carry a vibration. They are a mode of transport for spirit. And out of the vibration, which those intelligences have not been willing to express directly and without the use of words that allow interpretation, out of that vibration comes the recognition of the origin of the spirit of man. And that origin is extremely advanced. This cannot be obvious just looking at the current state of humankind, I know. But what the full recognition of this does is remove the need of an individual to prove himself, to elevate himself at the expense of others, and to stick to the false identity that supports his existence as a psychological persona. We don't need to be told the obvious by aliens, to paraphrase ClarkKent. But we can examine what stating the obvious does to psychology. For one, it reinforces human concepts. It give them a sort of 'higher' validating reference point. Then, it increases the impression of being right, creating the illusion that we already are somewhere, when we have not even started our evolutionary path yet. In doing so, the third thing that happens is that the contactee surrenders his own intelligence to the perceived superiority of the visitor. Finaly, strong of his impression of being in the truth of the matter, he goes onto a mission. I am certain that any person who is given a mission, or that gives himself a mission, regardless of the apparent positive or negative impressions of those who receive the 'teachings' is hired by forces that seek to manipulate humanity into its weaknesses. What I mean by this is that they reinforce weaknesses using the resonance of positive vs negative, some sort of good cop bad cop scenario. One aspect that never filters through is their actual agenda. No one is going to make me believe that they come to deliver a message. At best, they are preparing humanity to their presence, knowing that most would not stand the shock without having first been fed platitudes. At worst, they are helping humanity remain longer in their ignorance. I certainly have no interest for running naked in the field with flowers between my teeth. |
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The problem there is who gets to decide the definition of "men of a high type." I believe the Nazis used Eugenics as part of their aryan superman ideology, and look where that took them spiritually- grotesque experiments on 'lesser races,' the holocaust etc. The body IS a vehicle for the spirit. I don't believe the 'quality' of the body determines the 'quality' of the spirit any more than I believe blonde hair and blue eyes are an indication of 'high type.' CK pointed out that Miriam left out of the Camelot interview the part about being controlled and the surgery she suffered without her consent at the hands of these blonde haired, blue eyed superbeings. Still, I'm sure they're telling the truth and only have our best interests at heart. I'm sure they don't have their own agenda at all. sa·cred (skrd) adj. 1. Dedicated to or set apart for the worship of a deity. 2. Worthy of religious veneration: the sacred teachings of the Buddha. 3. Made or declared holy: sacred bread and wine. 4. Dedicated or devoted exclusively to a single use, purpose, or person: sacred to the memory of her sister; a private office sacred to the President. 5. Worthy of respect; venerable. 6. Of or relating to religious objects, rites, or practices. Nowhere in there does it say anything about 'perfect' or 'high type.' WE are sacred REGARDLESS of what shape or colour the body is. You can dress eugenics up any way you like but IMO it's nothing more than intellectual camoflague for nazi master race bull***t. Edit- Sorry, missed this definition of sacred: 3. regarded as too important to be changed or interfered with
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i was just thinking today, no matter what we think we know we are limited by our 3D worldview and still dont except that its literally (from what i know) impossible to leave a human 3D perspective.
putting things in "good" and "bad" is a natural thing, when really there is no such thing. the point of life is to exist and that means survive and evolve. we need a yin for our yang. thats why the idea (as much as i like it) of "of light beings/pure love" doesnt resonate. im sure there are beings we would deem positive and or negative which are both relative terms. one isnt better than the other--which isnt to say that there arent what we'd see as "benevolent" beings but to say the whole universe ALL good from this evolutionary point on doesnt make sense. lambs sheep deer and geese arent "good" just because they dont kill eachother, nor are lions,tigers and bears "oh my" ...they arent "bad" because they do rip a rabbit to shreds. both are in balance. is the grass "good" because it doesnt harm the deer? or is the deer "bad" because it destroys the grass? again theyre neither they simply "are" and work together, energy always fluctuating and being transformed... if we are consciousness and we get to experience the totality of reality then that means EVERYTHING is valid, a peice of poo to a great work of art to a supernova. from a "grey" or a nazi or anything else. anyhow im off topic, its taken me a while to immerse my self in "alien/gov black ops, multi dimesional reality" etc. frankly i only started to investigate this phenomena since june/july when i heard the edgar mitchell news and freaked out. it was the coolest (for lack of a better word) news id heard basically in my life. ive gone from being an agnostic/atheist to believing in a "universal mind" and re incarnation. and for all i know im sure these concepts are inherently kindergarten level at best given all that is impossible to understand. i know our civilization is at an apex and ive always felt i would see some cosmic sized activity go down. im only still just beginning to understand how convoluted and difficult this whole subject is, all my threads and posts are just to inject a heavy dose of looking "outside the box" as richard said, which is VERY difficult. but if you always look at WHO is saying WHAT-- and what they can GET out of leading you to think that. and considering the multi dimensional aspect and the bazzilion different time lines scenario and co creation , getting "YOU" to "THINK" a certain way is probably more important than YOU THINK. thanks for everyones input in this thread.
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you can look at this way also, would you ever like to be kidnapped by unknown people in a stange car with no plates on it?
if i would encounter these 'nordics' i would ask why they disguise themselves cause this surely gives a wrong impression on a level of honesty towards strangers. at least they could explain why they are taking you and making you do things without your own control over it. but in most cases there is no Q&A allowed. the "we won't hurt you and we are your family" is the same kind of trick were children get abducted with, here is some candy now will you follow me? |
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To begin with, lemme say that I have not seen nor read the Miriam interview, so I'm basically reacting to the reactions, but here goes anyway. I am hesitant to judge another's experience. I mean, to draw an impression from someone else's impression is already 2nd order info, at best. Not only that even our own impressions are/could be subject to something planted within our own experience. Then theres a quote I picked up from the Camelot side...
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Next morning when I woke up ,what bothered me as much as the possibility of the entire event was the fact that I simply went along with it. "Oh. Ok" ________________________ One I wrote off long ago, which has given me a bit of pause is from early childhood; say 7 to 11 yrs of age. That was the notion I was one of "the ones" that an off-world race was here to observe. That those chosen for this scrutiny had watchers assigned them. These watchers could make their perceived shape exactly like anyone you'd pass on the street. I wrote off this whole notion soon after as either some childhood fantasy, or some "race mind" shared illusion. Almost embarrassed to say that for a few months, this bothered me enough that I would make noise on purpose walking down the hall, lest I sneak up on my parents, before they could "done the disguise (seems a riot now). What made me discard and then bring back the memory of it was the true shape of these critters, as I had never seen/read anyone who came up with the same description. Till a lil while ago. They were close to, but not quite like a preying mantis. _____________________________ Quote:
1. The inability to lift our own body, no matter how firm the grip on our belt loops, and 2. The ability to fully envision and comprehend an intelligence greater than our own. The reverse of the "Thick As A Brick" notion. _____________________________ Whatever other manner in which you wish to quantify our existence, I am certain we are an infinite being (soul? etc) created by another one. That this physical investiture is an appendage, of sorts. That, coupled with the fact that as a child, I lived in another country for several years. One where "whites" were both a miniscule minority, and largely disliked. What I gained from this, then returning to the US, was a genuine experience of what it's like from both sides. What I have taken from this includes: 1. Race ain't nuttin! If you gots a belly button then you're in the club. (Yes I know Hitchcock didn't have one, but that was surgery. He arrived with one) 2. The notion theres any difference, other than being physically better endowed for different part of this rock, is a bit silly. After all, to follow this notion to some semblence of a logical conclusion would take you to some notion that the soul either doesn't exist, or emanates from the body. Both are non-starters for me. ________________________ Nordics! Greys! Reptiles! Heinz 57! Oh my! And they say WE'RE the ones over-populating this rock!! JEEZ!! He heh. Not being able to see 100% beyond the veil of all this, I really can't say who is "real", who isn't, etc among all this lot. But one thing I do suspect is true is this: Though some fear it, loathe it, envy it, or just plain can't figger it out, what we do have they all place value on is our free will. That this even includes some agreeing through the excercise of same, to give it away has got to be an attraction all on it's own. But I have a hunch this is at the crux of the attraction. And whats brought so many here, now. Anyway... I've wandered as far as I can for the moment. Fred
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free will.
indeed, the idea of CHOICE. the fact that its our birthright does seem to attract all sorts of people trying to subvert it. whether overtly through mind control or whether covertly through manipulation. the lesson learned seems to be you CANNOT rule ANYONE through outright force (like dictatorships of old, they always end in revolt or destruction) so now as in our very country (the usa) manipulation and mind control is so rampant and subtle that people dont think for a second that they are controlled--its ridiculously effective, far more than outright force. we have mind control machines in every house that we PAY to have, we actually work to buy the mind control machine for the "man" how ingenious! truly the Matrix! in light of that, yes whether they are multi dimensional entities or ET's or our future selves, mind control and subversion of free will is the order of the day. if i ever encounter any "other-ness" i think my rule of thumb will be to tell them to get lost and come back when i feel like talking. if they dont i can assume i shouldnt listen to them. in my 8 year old comic book reading starwars watching heart, i still want to meet an alien who just wants to chat with no agenda and will take me on a tour of the galaxy...
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This gets us to cause the events ourselves, whether it be co-creating or self-fulfilling prophecy or manipulating or placing limits on the boundaries of our imaginations, etc. In this way, there is no free will violation no matter what happens. We've essentially consented and/or created the events ourselves. So maybe that's what you were getting at there, clarkkent? Or maybe not
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if an entity says 'you better move to the himalayas because of xyz" then i think they have an agenda and maybe arent that smart * because * if they were they would say "hey you guys have about a bazillion probable futures, try and create the one you want, dont put all your energy into the worst one" thats my opinion of course. |
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what do you guys make of leo zagami saying that all the et stuff is disinfo and its really all these demonic entities
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while he clearly has the inside track on plenty of stuff, he might be speaking of some "entities" posing as ET's, but i highly doubt he speaks as an authority figure in the highly compartmentalized world of extraterrestrial phenomena. from my understanding very few illuminati are fully briefed the ET subject and everything it entails (stargates,timlines, etc) leo strikes me as coming from more of a religious "savior/prophet" dynamic (he mentions mohamed) its often repeated on the forums and PC interviews because its true about "the lie is different at every level" so im sure he has plenty of info, just not the whole story, apparantly NOBODY or no one organization is in full control or has the full story. its so compartmentalized as henry deacon mentioned that bilions are wasted on duplicate projects because they are that unaware of other sectors work. |
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yeah thats what i was thinking, the leo interview is dizzying the guy talks so fast in his accent and barely takes a breath. there was a guy on coast to coast maurice cotterell talking about the sunspots and the mayan calender. he seemed to think that the knowledge came to the mayans from "christ" incarnations and that we couldnt survive on a solar system with another sun because sunspot radiation effects fertility. sometimes in my quest for knowledge everything seems to make sense other times im so confused
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[QUOTE=MartyMcFailure;36769sometimes in my quest for knowledge everything seems to make sense other times im so confused
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this is part of the deal i guess, not only food for unseen entities (no doubt they exists) but all this info, true or false, doesn’t even matter so much. by creating i kind of internal chaos, it is drawing the attention away from ourselves, the source of inner peace and knowledge.
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