Benjamin Fulford - Page 4

CONDE · 09-10-2008, 09:54 PM

I just came back from a lovely trip
Along the Milky Way
I stopped off at the North Pole
To spend a holiday
I called on dear old Ben Fulford
To see what I could see.
He took me to his workshop
And told his plan to me

They better watch out,
They better not cry,
They better not pout,
I'm telling you why:
Ninja's coming to town!

He's making a list,
And checking it twice,
Gonna find out who's naughty or nice.
Ninja's coming to town!

They see you when you're sleeping,
They know when you're awake.
They know if you've been bad or good,
So be good for goodness sake!

Oh! You better watch out,
You better not cry,
You better not pout,
I'm telling you why:

Thanks for helping save the planet Benjamin San !

: roll1:

King Lear · 09-10-2008, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CONDE

I just came back from a lovely trip
Along the Milky Way
I stopped off at the North Pole
To spend a holiday
I called on dear old Ben Fulford
To see what I could see.
He took me to his workshop
And told his plan to me

They better watch out,
They better not cry,
They better not pout,
I'm telling you why:
Ninja's coming to town!

He's making a list,
And checking it twice,
Gonna find out who's naughty or nice.
Ninja's coming to town!

They see you when you're sleeping,
They know when you're awake.
They know if you've been bad or good,
So be good for goodness sake!

Oh! You better watch out,
You better not cry,
You better not pout,
I'm telling you why:

Thanks for helping save the planet Benjamin San !

: roll1:

Very funny Conde

P.S. i just want to emphasize I don't want to make Mr. Fulford ridiculous, but it's just without any evidences I can't believe him - and that I express!

CONDE · 09-10-2008, 11:18 PM

I understand Mr.Liar but the absence of evidence in not
evidence of absence, as you know.

We have to learn to LISTEN to any man speak, and then be able to FEEL
If He's for real or if his message is a lie.

Yes, to FEEL the energy of the intent, try it you'll like it.
It is the "Buterflies" you and I felt as we listened to David Wilcock's Last,
know watta mean ?

All the Best, Frank.

King Lear · 09-10-2008, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CONDE

I understand Mr.Liar but the absence of evidence in not
evidence of absence, as you know.

We have to learn to LISTEN to any man speak, and then be able to FEEL
If He's for real or if his message is a lie.

Yes, to FEEL the energy of the intent, try it you'll like it.
It is the "Buterflies" you and I felt as we listened to David Wilcock's Last,
know watta mean ?

All the Best, Frank.

KING LEAR!!!
not Mr. Lear

does no one understand an allusion/amphibology/pun?

CONDE · 09-10-2008, 11:52 PM

W E M L

Monarchs are passe, mr. Liar.

Your crown is fake, are you James Earl "Jimmy" Carter, Jr ?

09-12-2008, 06:25 PM

Well, it is interesting what BF is saying, but....

after the phone interview, I am quite convinced that David Icke has right and that BF is in fact controlled and used by the Chinese/Asian part of Illuminati.

"..... if you listen to David Icke, who makes a lot of sense a lot of the time, he’s actually saying that on an upper level, the Chinese are also run by the Illuminati behind the scenes. And that means there is a deeper agenda than just the one we’re talking about here that will motivate events in the long run. ......"

BF:
".....But the Chinese, as far as I can tell by all my connections, and if you look at the nature of their government and everything else, they are not doing evil in China. But China was under their control under Chairman Mao and they killed tens of millions of people. But after Deng Xiao-Ping got in power, basically the Illuminati lost China. They’re trying to get back. They have people they’ve been working on and bribing and whatever, but they don’t have control. But they have been negotiating and they’ve been trying to fool the Chinese. That’s my take on it."

WHAT?! The nature of their "government" after Mao is not doing evil in China?! What is about the killing of the students on Tiananmen Square in 1989?
What is about the absolutely brutal persecution of peaceful Falun Gong practitioners in Mainland China?! People are killed only for doing meditaion and Qigong?!
That is the same government, Fulford is talking about.... since the persecution has not ended and in 2006 it got known, that they even kill living people for selling their organs for transplantations?! (Look for more info at http://dafoh.org, Doctors against Forced Organ Harvesting).

Now, after this interview, Fulford is for me a puppet for the Chinese Illuminati who seek World Domination by 2020... at least some time in the 21. century...

A Chinese friend living outside of China, told me this year that a Chinese Man told her, that in 20 years, the Chinese will be the rulers of the World.
That is at least what they intend.

The Chinese regime is still communistic in the way that they think that they have to do a "violent revolution" every ten years, for only in this way, Communism keeps up with its progression.
In 1989 there was the student massacre,
in 1999 the persecution and killing of Falun Gong practitioners started.
2009....

King Lear · 09-12-2008, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Renewing

A Chinese friend living outside of China, told me this year that a Chinese Man told her, that in 20 years, the Chinese will be the rulers of the World.
That is at least what they intend.

Yes, but by this they mean more an economic domination and not a real control of the world.

China never was a expanding land/power, because they are so big. For themselves they are the center of the world and last themselves.

For example also India stated things like that, a PM or something said: "In future Europe will give their streets Indian names!"

Why wonder about such economic-chauvinism? The Western World encourages them in these thoughts every day! Just watch CNN or something else.

09-12-2008, 07:19 PM

No joke, but in some African countries there ARE already streets with Chinese names, since many Chinese are coming to Africa in these days! (extracting, searching commodities and places to settle).
China is highly polluted, overpopulated and in need of commodities/raw materials...

Nothing against peaceful economic world domination, but against another Illuminati fraction, who just is doing the same evil exactly as the other Illuminati fractions....

And wanting to kill somebody is just evil in my eyes.

09-12-2008, 07:34 PM

Every Illuminati fraction wants the domination above the others... that is therefore, they fight against each other.

Why also should the Chinese Illuminati fraction NOT want to be the (New) World Leaders? They definitely want, if you ask me....

Read this:
(I don`t think it will happen, but it is interesting what some old men in the regime think....).
http://en.epochtimes.com/news/5-8-8/31055.html
War Is Not Far from Us and Is the Midwife of the Chinese Century
Leading CCP official argues for exterminating U.S. population

http://en.epochtimes.com/news/5-8-5/30974.html
The War Is Approaching Us
Speech by a high-ranking CCP official argues for nuclear war

King Lear · 09-12-2008, 07:47 PM

Do you know, that there are uprisings by poor peasants and the rural population almost everywhere over China and every week, because of the predator-capitalism which destroys their living conditions?

So you see, China is not the monolithical giant as it appears.
It's very unstable indeed - if the capitalism, hand in hand with a totalitarian ruling Communistic party, goes on this way, China could change radically.

In a way we can't really foresee.

stresswon · 09-13-2008, 01:16 AM

Interesting conversation from the site. (PC) Only time will tell.

09-14-2008, 05:12 AM

I am still trying to wrap my head around the concept of Ninja-Assasin-turned Protector.....is this protector of Mr. Fulfords strictly his body guard of sorts, or has he turned a leaf and is now a protector of truths and justice?? Just a little blip I'd like to understand better if someone can 'illuminate' me.....?

gracias

Deb

undetected · 09-18-2008, 09:54 PM

Benjamin said 'if you need a bodyguard, it's already too late, you have to make them not want to kill you'. So I'm guessing the word Protector is used in a more general sense.

As for some claims that BF is used by Chinese Illuminati or whether the Chinese are under the Illuminati control - it seems to me that some forget to note the difference between the Chinese Government and this secret society Benjamin is affiliated with. And if I remember correctly, he said that the society is Chinese but doesn't agree with the actions of Chinese Gvt. So, whether or not "The Chinese" are under the Illuminati's influence, it would be the government, not this society, and therefore not Benjamin either.
He may be fed some false information from somewhere, just like anyone else, but suggesting he or this society are puppets of the Illuminati makes no sense to me.

Richard T · 09-19-2008, 01:57 PM

I agree with Mr StClair when he states that the UN will be replaced by another organization.

A lot will have happened by 2020 that will already have softened the fabric of this civilization's collective consciousness, creating a lot of insecurity and forcing people in a situation where all of a sudden they have nothing to lose, since they have already lost all that pertains to their cultural ties with values.

One problem with the UN is that it is representative of a group of countries, representing certain minorities themselves and not the overall people as we might wishfully hope for, and therefore whose agendas are geared towards the interests of those minorities in a local control of the flow of richness in the case of secondary and third powers, whose influence are greatly limited by the control of global power seeking entities.

Individuals are corruptible, and so are organizations and countries by extension.

I found this interview with Mr. Fulford interesting and some points struck me as particularly worthy of note.

1- Asian interest in gaining more weight in world decisions
2- Aliens refusing the ability of humankind to move beyond its sphere and beyond the solar system
3- Amnesty for the power corrupted
4- The fear of death and the wanting to continue living to preserve wealth

In relation to the first point.
And here, I am obviously speaking for myself and no body else.

Ideologies are competing for power. They have a life of their own and are the result of mental constructs integrated within what we call collective consciousness under the umbrella of cultural and social cohesion for the benefit of specific modes of experience.

These are kept in check and localized for important reasons. And in the end, they cannot be the basis for a world resources domination tug of war that end up being depleted and misused if one is to look at this from a truly universal point of view.

These cultural centres of collective consciousness are all based on the same origin, being the origin of consciousness of domination, but colored with the values used as the glue and framework for these cultural thought currents.

In the end, the people remain enslave to the cultural form of thought, taking the collective values as their own, totally mesmerized into believing that those values are of their choosing.

And this remains true so long as they are supported by the system, and that hope is filtered down the tube that things will improve over time.

But things always improve in a way that enforces the submission of individuals within a mass to the system because individuals are prevented from being autonomous being fed the lie that is the concept of free will.

So, having cultural centers of the planet fighting for more power is allowing those cultural centers a perpetuated source of energy. It gives them a time slice potential advantage. On the other hand, a civilization has but a certain amount of time, and like oil, if you burn it all, then its over.

So far as I am concerned, it should be globally illegal for a country to hand over its resources to any private or foreign forces. But the leaders of those third world countries are too often quite happy to extend those resources to influent powers, be they private or collectivized entities like countries, in exchange for support of their dictatorships.

Look at what is going on in Darfour. Chinese support of a government killing its population in exchange for the right to exploit the resources. China is a member of the Security Council. This holds true of all those Security Council nations and all are quite happy to trade blood for resources. So, what does China care about the individual mind?

This whole modus operandi will one day blow up because man must one day be free. And I am not talking about the American concept of freedom here.

In relation of the second point (aliens limiting humankind access to space and other alien agendas)

This is interesting to note and it is very real.

To understand what this means, really, the illusion of free will must really be recognized, which means that the individual must start realizing how the mind is manipulated.

In order for aliens to prevent man from escaping his planet, man must not have the ability to project and create technologies that would allow it to happen.

So, this implies a control of not simply the material thinking entity, or shall we call it the material terminal that people think is the center of their self, but the control of what information can filter to that terminal, therefore the control of thoughts themselves, the control of the worlds of imagination, the control of beliefs, and so on. All this, using cultured values during thousands of years as replacement methods for the hidden reality.

And yes, there are opposed hierarchies in regards to the status of man on this planet, as there are different origins of consciousnesses that incarnated on this planet to form humanity.

So, the agendas are opposed, but not just in the way we might believe.

But in any case, all these agendas agree on one thing, and it is to disallow man from escaping his planet for the time being. There is an experiment going on here and all have been volunteers for the experiment, even though we were not allowed to access any information and were not allowed to retain any memory of this process.

Until the experiment is over, the parameters of the experiment are beyond the control of humankind.

But it is led to believe otherwise, to believe that the future of humanity is with the ego's impression of free will, whereas the ego is teleguided in his experience in accordance to the parameters of the experience.

Man will not be allowed to control his destiny, as an individual, so long as he is just even capable to answer to the laws of domination. So long as he answers to the laws of domination, he is dominated. This is the nature of those laws. You cannot be free and seek to dominate at the same time. It is an illusion, and it has been the illusion of humankind through the history of civilizations on this planet and even beyond.

And one outcome of this experience is the eventual shielding from any possible influence from the laws of domination. And only then will man be able to project his evolution, on his own terms as an individual, and way beyond anything he can imagine and even beyond what the domination bound hierarchies can project, regardless of their technological advancement.

In the mean time, so long as man, as an individual, is bound to the fear of losing, which has close ties to the laws of domination, he will remain a controlled entity as an individual as well as a collective entity.

Concerning an amnesty for the agents of domination

When the spirit of the American people will have been so shaken by the loss of their illusions, those men who were planning the enslavement of the world will be brought to the highest court to be judged. And it will be a just judgment.

Concerning the fear of death as an engine to remain alive and so on.
It is assumed that the fear of death is an universal value.

Generally, this is true. But it is not absolute.

When a man becomes so possessed that the channel between him and his ruling entity is fully opened, he lives the impression of being unvulnerable, even in death.

Consciousness is not a material artifact. And the ego is an interface that manifests the energy that goes through it. The ego is simply clueless of the nature and the origin of that energy, and therefore lacks the discernment that would shield him from domination.

Once this mind tunnel is totally under the control of this ruling entity, the individual will do exactly as bidded. Fear of death is not an obstacle to an entity that already resides death.

So, those men who are agents of domination on this globe, who we could also call black initiates, will not back off simply because of the fear of death. Some might, but not all.

And this is why it is so hard for most people to understand why certain individuals could do what they do and go as far as they do in their destructive agenda.

A very interesting interview all in all.

SirKnight · 09-25-2008, 12:51 AM

Benjamin Fulford will be on Jeff Rense tonight.

ranma187 · 09-25-2008, 02:09 AM

sweet! he's on rense. he should go on c2c am. I'd call in and ask him some tough questions.

strayslack · 09-25-2008, 02:55 AM

I'm unable to listen to this. When it's over, could someone please post a brief synopsis. Thanks so much.

dragonfly · 09-25-2008, 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ranma187

I'd call in and ask him some tough questions.

Indeed!! I just heard it. Quite frankly, I am feeling unease. It seems he has all the answers on what we should do, but not actually what is going on aside the obvious. Just my observation.

He seems to go in circles and um.. ah... um... well.. when he was asked about his secret friends.
So now it's martial arts orginizations all over the world? Humm..? I don't know about that. I've been involved with Martial Arts and maybe the Grand Masters and big wigs are indeed involved, but the way he talks about it now in comparison to the threat he made months ago is ............. well, very different.

GenerationIke · 09-27-2008, 11:03 PM

I am posting youtube clips with Ben Fulford. Recent interviews on the www.rense.com. Very interesting.

I willl be posting on Japanese stuff very soon--that I know existed in 1991.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-segUfwaX-A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMUBr...eature=related

Wolf · 09-28-2008, 09:47 PM

I stopped taking Fulford seriously when he made his comment about how he could have David Rockefeller delivered to him tied up with a dildo up his ass if he wanted to. The vibrational output of someone making such a statement is not one that is capapble fo crating the kind of change needed. That sort of thinking, let alone speaking it, cannot make lasting change. Fulford's anger level and vidictiveness in his interviews are deeply ego based and possibly even a sign of mental unbalance.

The world will not be changed by doing work "out there". We must first do the work inside of us or what we do out there won't make any difference. When enough of us have raised our own consciousness and vibration, the rest of it will begin to manifest naturally.

333mark333 · 09-28-2008, 09:54 PM

In my opinion the Rothschilds have the seats of power- they have instilled themselves globally and have been running this reality since the 18th century.

09-28-2008, 10:21 PM

there could be and ET situation that is keeping the powers that be from destroying the earth. I have heard that they will not allow a nuclear exchange because it will affect other dimensions as well.

nagualton · 09-28-2008, 11:11 PM

I guess he decide rather to call ninjas to call all karate practitioners around the world and create such a great power to get rid off illuminati.
Maybe this is sarcastic, but that's what he said in the last interview to PC.

With more interviews coming we'll see who's real whistleblower and who's just overblower. Sorry, but i can't buy this one.

777 The Great Work · 09-28-2008, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartyMcFailure

i think now would be a good time for his ninja friends to assassinate the secret masters of the world

LOL and bring SPIDERMAN Too

Norval · 09-29-2008, 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcreation

there could be and ET situation that is keeping the powers that be from destroying the earth. I have heard that they will not allow a nuclear exchange because it will affect other dimensions as well.

The earth will not be allowed to be destroyed.

09-10-2008, 09:54 PM	#76
CONDE Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hollywood Florida Posts: 127	Re: Benjamin Fulford I just came back from a lovely trip Along the Milky Way I stopped off at the North Pole To spend a holiday I called on dear old Ben Fulford To see what I could see. He took me to his workshop And told his plan to me They better watch out, They better not cry, They better not pout, I'm telling you why: Ninja's coming to town! He's making a list, And checking it twice, Gonna find out who's naughty or nice. Ninja's coming to town! They see you when you're sleeping, They know when you're awake. They know if you've been bad or good, So be good for goodness sake! Oh! You better watch out, You better not cry, You better not pout, I'm telling you why: Thanks for helping save the planet Benjamin San ! : roll1:

09-10-2008, 11:18 PM	#78
CONDE Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hollywood Florida Posts: 127	Re: Benjamin Fulford I understand Mr.Liar but the absence of evidence in not evidence of absence, as you know. We have to learn to LISTEN to any man speak, and then be able to FEEL If He's for real or if his message is a lie. Yes, to FEEL the energy of the intent, try it you'll like it. It is the "Buterflies" you and I felt as we listened to David Wilcock's Last, know watta mean ? All the Best, Frank.

09-10-2008, 11:52 PM	#80
CONDE Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hollywood Florida Posts: 127	Re: Benjamin Fulford W E M L Monarchs are passe, mr. Liar. Your crown is fake, are you James Earl "Jimmy" Carter, Jr ? Last edited by CONDE; 09-11-2008 at 12:03 AM. Reason: more...

09-12-2008, 06:25 PM	#81
Renewing Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Benjamin Fulford Well, it is interesting what BF is saying, but.... after the phone interview, I am quite convinced that David Icke has right and that BF is in fact controlled and used by the Chinese/Asian part of Illuminati. "..... if you listen to David Icke, who makes a lot of sense a lot of the time, he’s actually saying that on an upper level, the Chinese are also run by the Illuminati behind the scenes. And that means there is a deeper agenda than just the one we’re talking about here that will motivate events in the long run. ......" BF: ".....But the Chinese, as far as I can tell by all my connections, and if you look at the nature of their government and everything else, they are not doing evil in China. But China was under their control under Chairman Mao and they killed tens of millions of people. But after Deng Xiao-Ping got in power, basically the Illuminati lost China. They’re trying to get back. They have people they’ve been working on and bribing and whatever, but they don’t have control. But they have been negotiating and they’ve been trying to fool the Chinese. That’s my take on it." WHAT?! The nature of their "government" after Mao is not doing evil in China?! What is about the killing of the students on Tiananmen Square in 1989? What is about the absolutely brutal persecution of peaceful Falun Gong practitioners in Mainland China?! People are killed only for doing meditaion and Qigong?! That is the same government, Fulford is talking about.... since the persecution has not ended and in 2006 it got known, that they even kill living people for selling their organs for transplantations?! (Look for more info at http://dafoh.org, Doctors against Forced Organ Harvesting). Now, after this interview, Fulford is for me a puppet for the Chinese Illuminati who seek World Domination by 2020... at least some time in the 21. century... A Chinese friend living outside of China, told me this year that a Chinese Man told her, that in 20 years, the Chinese will be the rulers of the World. That is at least what they intend. The Chinese regime is still communistic in the way that they think that they have to do a "violent revolution" every ten years, for only in this way, Communism keeps up with its progression. In 1989 there was the student massacre, in 1999 the persecution and killing of Falun Gong practitioners started. 2009....

09-12-2008, 07:19 PM	#83
Renewing Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Benjamin Fulford No joke, but in some African countries there ARE already streets with Chinese names, since many Chinese are coming to Africa in these days! (extracting, searching commodities and places to settle). China is highly polluted, overpopulated and in need of commodities/raw materials... Nothing against peaceful economic world domination, but against another Illuminati fraction, who just is doing the same evil exactly as the other Illuminati fractions.... And wanting to kill somebody is just evil in my eyes.

09-12-2008, 07:34 PM	#84
Renewing Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Benjamin Fulford Every Illuminati fraction wants the domination above the others... that is therefore, they fight against each other. Why also should the Chinese Illuminati fraction NOT want to be the (New) World Leaders? They definitely want, if you ask me.... Read this: (I don`t think it will happen, but it is interesting what some old men in the regime think....). http://en.epochtimes.com/news/5-8-8/31055.html War Is Not Far from Us and Is the Midwife of the Chinese Century Leading CCP official argues for exterminating U.S. population http://en.epochtimes.com/news/5-8-5/30974.html The War Is Approaching Us Speech by a high-ranking CCP official argues for nuclear war

09-12-2008, 07:47 PM	#85
King Lear Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Not S-4 Posts: 306	Re: Benjamin Fulford Do you know, that there are uprisings by poor peasants and the rural population almost everywhere over China and every week, because of the predator-capitalism which destroys their living conditions? So you see, China is not the monolithical giant as it appears. It's very unstable indeed - if the capitalism, hand in hand with a totalitarian ruling Communistic party, goes on this way, China could change radically. In a way we can't really foresee.

09-13-2008, 01:16 AM	#86
stresswon Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 25	Re: Benjamin Fulford Interesting conversation from the site. (PC) Only time will tell.

09-14-2008, 05:12 AM	#87
Mrs. Robinson Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Benjamin Fulford I am still trying to wrap my head around the concept of Ninja-Assasin-turned Protector.....is this protector of Mr. Fulfords strictly his body guard of sorts, or has he turned a leaf and is now a protector of truths and justice?? Just a little blip I'd like to understand better if someone can 'illuminate' me.....? gracias Deb

09-18-2008, 09:54 PM	#88
undetected Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 79	Re: Benjamin Fulford Benjamin said 'if you need a bodyguard, it's already too late, you have to make them not want to kill you'. So I'm guessing the word Protector is used in a more general sense. As for some claims that BF is used by Chinese Illuminati or whether the Chinese are under the Illuminati control - it seems to me that some forget to note the difference between the Chinese Government and this secret society Benjamin is affiliated with. And if I remember correctly, he said that the society is Chinese but doesn't agree with the actions of Chinese Gvt. So, whether or not "The Chinese" are under the Illuminati's influence, it would be the government, not this society, and therefore not Benjamin either. He may be fed some false information from somewhere, just like anyone else, but suggesting he or this society are puppets of the Illuminati makes no sense to me.

09-19-2008, 01:57 PM	#89
Richard T Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 179	Re: Benjamin Fulford I agree with Mr StClair when he states that the UN will be replaced by another organization. A lot will have happened by 2020 that will already have softened the fabric of this civilization's collective consciousness, creating a lot of insecurity and forcing people in a situation where all of a sudden they have nothing to lose, since they have already lost all that pertains to their cultural ties with values. One problem with the UN is that it is representative of a group of countries, representing certain minorities themselves and not the overall people as we might wishfully hope for, and therefore whose agendas are geared towards the interests of those minorities in a local control of the flow of richness in the case of secondary and third powers, whose influence are greatly limited by the control of global power seeking entities. Individuals are corruptible, and so are organizations and countries by extension. I found this interview with Mr. Fulford interesting and some points struck me as particularly worthy of note. 1- Asian interest in gaining more weight in world decisions 2- Aliens refusing the ability of humankind to move beyond its sphere and beyond the solar system 3- Amnesty for the power corrupted 4- The fear of death and the wanting to continue living to preserve wealth In relation to the first point. And here, I am obviously speaking for myself and no body else. Ideologies are competing for power. They have a life of their own and are the result of mental constructs integrated within what we call collective consciousness under the umbrella of cultural and social cohesion for the benefit of specific modes of experience. These are kept in check and localized for important reasons. And in the end, they cannot be the basis for a world resources domination tug of war that end up being depleted and misused if one is to look at this from a truly universal point of view. These cultural centres of collective consciousness are all based on the same origin, being the origin of consciousness of domination, but colored with the values used as the glue and framework for these cultural thought currents. In the end, the people remain enslave to the cultural form of thought, taking the collective values as their own, totally mesmerized into believing that those values are of their choosing. And this remains true so long as they are supported by the system, and that hope is filtered down the tube that things will improve over time. But things always improve in a way that enforces the submission of individuals within a mass to the system because individuals are prevented from being autonomous being fed the lie that is the concept of free will. So, having cultural centers of the planet fighting for more power is allowing those cultural centers a perpetuated source of energy. It gives them a time slice potential advantage. On the other hand, a civilization has but a certain amount of time, and like oil, if you burn it all, then its over. So far as I am concerned, it should be globally illegal for a country to hand over its resources to any private or foreign forces. But the leaders of those third world countries are too often quite happy to extend those resources to influent powers, be they private or collectivized entities like countries, in exchange for support of their dictatorships. Look at what is going on in Darfour. Chinese support of a government killing its population in exchange for the right to exploit the resources. China is a member of the Security Council. This holds true of all those Security Council nations and all are quite happy to trade blood for resources. So, what does China care about the individual mind? This whole modus operandi will one day blow up because man must one day be free. And I am not talking about the American concept of freedom here. In relation of the second point (aliens limiting humankind access to space and other alien agendas) This is interesting to note and it is very real. To understand what this means, really, the illusion of free will must really be recognized, which means that the individual must start realizing how the mind is manipulated. In order for aliens to prevent man from escaping his planet, man must not have the ability to project and create technologies that would allow it to happen. So, this implies a control of not simply the material thinking entity, or shall we call it the material terminal that people think is the center of their self, but the control of what information can filter to that terminal, therefore the control of thoughts themselves, the control of the worlds of imagination, the control of beliefs, and so on. All this, using cultured values during thousands of years as replacement methods for the hidden reality. And yes, there are opposed hierarchies in regards to the status of man on this planet, as there are different origins of consciousnesses that incarnated on this planet to form humanity. So, the agendas are opposed, but not just in the way we might believe. But in any case, all these agendas agree on one thing, and it is to disallow man from escaping his planet for the time being. There is an experiment going on here and all have been volunteers for the experiment, even though we were not allowed to access any information and were not allowed to retain any memory of this process. Until the experiment is over, the parameters of the experiment are beyond the control of humankind. But it is led to believe otherwise, to believe that the future of humanity is with the ego's impression of free will, whereas the ego is teleguided in his experience in accordance to the parameters of the experience. Man will not be allowed to control his destiny, as an individual, so long as he is just even capable to answer to the laws of domination. So long as he answers to the laws of domination, he is dominated. This is the nature of those laws. You cannot be free and seek to dominate at the same time. It is an illusion, and it has been the illusion of humankind through the history of civilizations on this planet and even beyond. And one outcome of this experience is the eventual shielding from any possible influence from the laws of domination. And only then will man be able to project his evolution, on his own terms as an individual, and way beyond anything he can imagine and even beyond what the domination bound hierarchies can project, regardless of their technological advancement. In the mean time, so long as man, as an individual, is bound to the fear of losing, which has close ties to the laws of domination, he will remain a controlled entity as an individual as well as a collective entity. Concerning an amnesty for the agents of domination When the spirit of the American people will have been so shaken by the loss of their illusions, those men who were planning the enslavement of the world will be brought to the highest court to be judged. And it will be a just judgment. Concerning the fear of death as an engine to remain alive and so on. It is assumed that the fear of death is an universal value. Generally, this is true. But it is not absolute. When a man becomes so possessed that the channel between him and his ruling entity is fully opened, he lives the impression of being unvulnerable, even in death. Consciousness is not a material artifact. And the ego is an interface that manifests the energy that goes through it. The ego is simply clueless of the nature and the origin of that energy, and therefore lacks the discernment that would shield him from domination. Once this mind tunnel is totally under the control of this ruling entity, the individual will do exactly as bidded. Fear of death is not an obstacle to an entity that already resides death. So, those men who are agents of domination on this globe, who we could also call black initiates, will not back off simply because of the fear of death. Some might, but not all. And this is why it is so hard for most people to understand why certain individuals could do what they do and go as far as they do in their destructive agenda. A very interesting interview all in all.

09-25-2008, 12:51 AM	#90
SirKnight Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 47	Re: Benjamin Fulford Benjamin Fulford will be on Jeff Rense tonight.

09-25-2008, 02:09 AM	#91
ranma187 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 83	Re: Benjamin Fulford sweet! he's on rense. he should go on c2c am. I'd call in and ask him some tough questions.

09-25-2008, 02:55 AM	#92
strayslack Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Northeast Missouri Posts: 75	Re: Benjamin Fulford I'm unable to listen to this. When it's over, could someone please post a brief synopsis. Thanks so much.

09-27-2008, 11:03 PM	#94
GenerationIke Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Geneva, NY Posts: 156	Re: Benjamin Fulford I am posting youtube clips with Ben Fulford. Recent interviews on the www.rense.com. Very interesting. I willl be posting on Japanese stuff very soon--that I know existed in 1991. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-segUfwaX-A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMUBr...eature=related

09-28-2008, 09:47 PM	#95
Wolf Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Pacifica Posts: 14	Re: Benjamin Fulford I stopped taking Fulford seriously when he made his comment about how he could have David Rockefeller delivered to him tied up with a dildo up his ass if he wanted to. The vibrational output of someone making such a statement is not one that is capapble fo crating the kind of change needed. That sort of thinking, let alone speaking it, cannot make lasting change. Fulford's anger level and vidictiveness in his interviews are deeply ego based and possibly even a sign of mental unbalance. The world will not be changed by doing work "out there". We must first do the work inside of us or what we do out there won't make any difference. When enough of us have raised our own consciousness and vibration, the rest of it will begin to manifest naturally.

09-28-2008, 09:54 PM	#96
333mark333 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Western Shore of the Hudson Bay-churchill, manitoba, canada Posts: 301	Re: Benjamin Fulford In my opinion the Rothschilds have the seats of power- they have instilled themselves globally and have been running this reality since the 18th century.

09-28-2008, 10:21 PM	#97
dcreation Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Benjamin Fulford there could be and ET situation that is keeping the powers that be from destroying the earth. I have heard that they will not allow a nuclear exchange because it will affect other dimensions as well.

09-28-2008, 11:11 PM	#98
nagualton Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 53	Re: Benjamin Fulford I guess he decide rather to call ninjas to call all karate practitioners around the world and create such a great power to get rid off illuminati. Maybe this is sarcastic, but that's what he said in the last interview to PC. With more interviews coming we'll see who's real whistleblower and who's just overblower. Sorry, but i can't buy this one.