Getting pretty ridiculous

[raulduke]

Originally Posted by Ross H

The truth will prevail.

Thanks Ross. I look forward to that, as long as prevail entails reveal.

Originally Posted by Ross H

HOWEVER, the New Avalon will be having higher ethics and standards of interacting with others.......Many may not be asked to join......

This is very disapointing to read. I read: Some here aren't "light" enough to be of worth to the new direction. Maybe I'm reading that wrong, though if I'm not, that's pretty pretentious.

Will we have to audition, or will there be an ethics test?

Who's gonna decide who's worthy? Mods?

Ethics, really? The people that are now dictating and silencing people with no explanations, they're gonna be the ones who decide whose ethics are worthy of the new pa?

[justpeter]

Originally Posted by raulduke

Will we have to audition, or will there be an ethics test?

Who's gonna decide who's worthy? Mods?

Ethics, really? The people that are now dictating and silencing people with no explanations, they're gonna be the ones who decide whose ethics are worthy of the new pa?

Yeah, this worries me too. I spent over 15 years in Scientology and those guys are HOT on Ethics. On this forum the mods can't even enforce the guidelines on "naked links" and "posting of outside text". Their idea of ethics seems to be different to mine. I've offered some basic suggestions on the relevant thread but I don't think anyone's listening.

Also, in my opinion, "In The Mists" just alienates the person concerned and the other forum users who want to know why they are being punished. If the mods want to install an effective ethics system I think they are on the wrong track with this. There are better ways.

[Ross H]

Thanks Ross. I look forward to that, as long as prevail entails reveal.

I said the word 'truth' will prevail as exactly that, truth.

I came here to learn, help and give my time. This forum was the best forum I had found that I wanted to be a part of due to its vision and agenda. This was before it became 'free for all'. Since then it has taken a different path, 'feel' and purpose from what I originaly signed up for.

As a mod I had to learn to adapt to this new enviroment as did many older members. This happened fast and the energy change has been significant.

Opening up the forum 'free for all' was a risk, this decision made had its differing views amongst the founders, Admins, Mods and the members, however the final decision was to go free.

IMO, the forum has mutated into a whole 'other' entity from its original position and vision of.

The energy variables have taken its toll on many, including our original founders.

Now that Bill and Kerry have parted ways, Bill is now the sole founder and owner.

It is Bills wish that the forum starts fresh (AV2) and return to its original vision with improved format. Members who registar will understand the vision of AV2 via the mission statement and guidelines. Those who cannot participate with a peaceful and positive contribution will know that its not the place for them. If they do become members and exhibit traits that are not conducive to the overall vibe of the community(after intervention via PM's to facilitate an understanding so they can still participate) they will be shown the door.

Its like this...There is enough crap and b/s in the real world that we live in, so, this will be a place that offers peace and goodwill to kindred spirits who wish for a place to gather and chill and contribute. Its that simple.

The Admin team and senior Mods support this 100%.

Sincerely

Ross H

[Slerbot]

When 'it' happens in our area, we won't have time for this. This is all we have now, and probably does what it's meant to do. The link-ups are being made where they need to be to continue, if the net is not stable.

When David Wilcok upgraded his site, it all changed, too. Too many product/people placements happening. Great to know how his business is going and all... but that isn't what David is good at. If he can survive without the hollywood BS and continue with sound writeups and articles, he will be hitting his mark too. Money is spoiling things, again....

[burgundia]

Avalon 2.0 and not everybody will be invited. I guess those who will share the same "truth" will go there. Another division created in the name of higher truth. There are more and more splits here...first Bill and Kerry, now Avalon...I guess the timelines are splitting too..choose wisely on which one you want to be...

[ellie]

Originally Posted by burgundia

Avalon 2.0 and not everybody will be invited. I guess those who will share the same "truth" will go there. Another division created in the name of higher truth. There are more and more splits here...first Bill and Kerry, now Avalon...I guess the timelines are splitting too..choose wisely on which one you want to be...

Very wise words by a very wise woman. Splitting timelines and splitting paths to go down......................think very, very carefully which path you take.

[swordsmith]

I am confused, is there going to be a place on this site for the left behinds? It looks like not.

[777 The Great Work]

OBAMA OR MC CAIN

Choice is Illusion, these are age old tricks .See creation's reflection in the glasses Neo, its a trap. All there is, is now Avalon or 2 or avalon 1
ones better then the other in a world of change. positive and negative duality thinking.u're not invited to the NEW KINGDOM.

[burgundia]

Obviously some want to keep us in the duality thinking mode. remember NEGATIVE is not negative...it is just on the other end from POSITIVE.

[Stardustaquarion]

Originally Posted by 777 The Great Work

OBAMA OR MC CAIN

Choice is Illusion, these are age old tricks .See creation's reflection in the glasses Neo, its a trap. All there is, is now Avalon or 2 or avalon 1
ones better then the other in a world of change. positive and negative duality thinking.

You are so right a choice between joy and pain is not really a choice, but then this is the nature of this universe

If you follow the laws of co-resonance with the universe you live in joy regardless of what happens outside

If you chose not to co-resonate, well.....we can see the effects can we?

Free speach and free will are not as free as many think

Love to all

[SteveX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yR7ONpWlIE

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ metaphorical ^^^^^^^^

[Raven]

Originally Posted by SteveX

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yR7ONpWlIE

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ metaphorical ^^^^^^^^

hahahaha!!! SteveX you totally nailed this one on the head! OMG i so love your humorous takes on things, your truely talented at pointing out the obvious. Thank you for making me laugh once again, and thankfully i wasn't drinking my coffee this time. Raven

[Rocky_Shorz]

Originally Posted by burgundia

Avalon 2.0 and not everybody will be invited. I guess those who will share the same "truth" will go there. Another division created in the name of higher truth. There are more and more splits here...first Bill and Kerry, now Avalon...I guess the timelines are splitting too..choose wisely on which one you want to be...

well if everyone has noticed, I'm not in the mist and contradict just about everyone's beliefs in one way or another.

It is what Avalon is about and won't change.

But it isn't what I'm sharing as in what I am learning and I step forth as humbly as I can knowing I am surrounded by people that have spent a lifetime gathering knowledge.

In doing so I am non confrontational, and though I step into the most heated threads Avalon has, I do so in a way that doesn't hurt anyone.

This riff is just that and though it exploded and got way out of hand, things will settle and I see most of those visiting the mist coming back to join us.

Bill and Kerry have done an incredible job of bringing forward whistle blowers and those in the know. For that reason there will never be another Project Camelot or discussion area like Avalon to share ideas outside of the norm with a group of those having the same understanding.

For those who think starting a new website to chat will be the answer, it won't.

The answer is for everyone to calm down and relax as it all comes together. Patience is a virtue and forgiveness one of the most important of all.

There is so much really going on of importance right now the sun is going ballistic 445 earthquakes in California this last week and 275 just in the San Diego area.

I don't know about all of you but that seems pretty important and should be our goal to share with people in being prepared for what is coming tomorrow, next week or next year...

[THE eXchanger]

very true Rocky,
it is really time, to make sure, you are prepared
Bill & Kerry, along with all the posters,
NOT just some of them, but almost all of them
each and, everyone of them
have all done, incrediable jobs,
getting out vast rafts of information,
to share with their fellow brothers/and, fellow sisters,
if NOT for PA/PC,
do you realise,
many people in this world,
would NOT currently have the levels of awareness,
they they NOW have !!!!

for those, who came here, at this time
to be a change, you did it !!!
A very large page of the cosmos
actually was turned.

The 'real' mists of Avalon, and, of Camelot
are always, and, will all ways, be a part of YOU,
just as, you are a part of iT !!!

[Zeddo]

Originally Posted by burgundia

..choose wisely on which one you want to be...

yep, this is the biggy, choosing wisely. It will be interesting to see if any "invitees" say "Thanks bit no thanks, time to move on".

We will see. Growth is not measured by the number of "cell" divisions.

here, let me say it the best way I know how......................
edited.....just too negative, i don't want to a part of gloom...sorry for that and those who already saw it....

[Rocky_Shorz]

come on with that hilarious picture how could anyone take anything you say as negative...

They are too busy laughing...

[SteveX]

What I find funny is the term "mist." Mist in ye old England used to be called the dragons breath.

Considering the Thuban dragon missile crisis / witch hunt. It's a very apt term.

[777 The Great Work]

Originally Posted by SteveX

What I find funny is the term "mist." Mist in ye old England used to be called the dragons breath.

Considering the Thuban dragon missile crisis / witch hunt. It's a very apt term.

I think someone is telling us something. 1111

[NancyV]

Bill, with the support of the staff, has a right to organize Avalon in any way he wishes to do so. Speculating on whether or not one will be a part of Avalon 2 is an exercise in futility as the process for participation has not yet been revealed. Most likely the vast majority of members will be allowed to register so it seems that only ones individual fear factor is causing some of the negativity. Even if there is a strict criteria for participation, so what. If I am not invited or allowed to participate I certainly would not wish to remain where I don't fit or where others think I don't belong.

Anyone who thinks an online forum can operate effectively while allowing rampant negativity free reign is living in LALA Land. If you wish the overall vibes to be more positive than negative, the moderators must edit, censor, boot and ban. Such is the reality of the Internet and of human nature. How they perform those tasks will vary from moderator to moderator as they all have their different styles.

I don't know how Avalon will evolve nor do I concern myself with it. It will evolve as it evolves and I have no control over it. I come here to find things I enjoy and ignore what does not appeal to me instead of expecting everything to be a perfect fit to my tastes and preferences. There are many wonderful people here and some great information. Bills interview style appeals to me and I'm happy he is now in sole charge of his own projects and Avalon, along with the fantastic managing skills of the moderators who work their butts off as a service to this site.

If the PTB have some disruptors here then hopefully they will be nice or they will be gone. There is no way to be sure if the PTB even think this forum is important enough to monitor and/or disrupt. Bill and Kerry would get the most interest and attention. But if there are interested agents of the PTB here, it comes with the territory. Might as well relax and enjoy the game.

Nancy

[justpeter]

Originally Posted by Ross H

If they do become members and exhibit traits that are not conducive to the overall vibe of the community they will be shown the door.

I would humbly suggest that a more effective form of ethics be used, such as communicating with the person to find out why he/she behaves in such a manner, help them to see why they are acting inappropriately and give him/her a chance to apologise and change their behaviour. Only when all else fails, kick them out.

I've been there, done that, bought the T-shirt - trust me, I know.

[Ross H]

Originally Posted by justpeter

I would humbly suggest that a more effective form of ethics be used, such as communicating with the person to find out why he/she behaves in such a manner, help them to see why they are acting inappropriately and give him/her a chance to apologise and change their behaviour. Only when all else fails, kick them out.

I've been there, done that, bought the T-shirt - trust me, I know.

This is how we do things, members recieve PM's outlining the concerns. Always the path of understanding and communication is given.

This will also continue with AV2...frankly Im surprised you would think otherwise.

Sincerely

[raulduke]

Originally Posted by Ross H

This is how we do things, members recieve PM's outlining the concerns. Always the path of understanding and communication is given.

Is this how you would characterize how the members above "in the mist" were treated?

I know for a fact that at least one member from my op was given no warning or reason for his mistification.

Originally Posted by burgundia

I guess the timelines are splitting too..choose wisely on which one you want to be...

Yup burgundia's right. Think very carefully when making your choice people.

Originally Posted by Ross H

Its like this...There is enough crap and b/s in the real world that we live in, so, this will be a place that offers peace and goodwill to kindred spirits who wish for a place to gather and chill and contribute. Its that simple.

I understand and respect that Ross, it does sound nice honestly, but what will it take, what has it already taken to ge there?

Will it all have been worth it?

Were there more honest ways to attain this goal (that might have taken just a bit longer)?

Are you sure that you (anyone in the position) want to make judgements on the worth of people you barely know?

Originally Posted by justpeter

Yeah, this worries me too. I spent over 15 years in Scientology and those guys are HOT on Ethics.

Yikes. That seems to be a theme among...nevermind.

Good night pa (wonder if I wake up in the mists, hmm will sleep with my headlamp and rain gear on ).

[raulduke]

Originally Posted by raulduke

Is this how you would characterize how the members above "in the mist" were treated?

I know for a fact that at least one member from my op was given no warning or reason for his mistification.

Bumping, would like an answer here.

Originally Posted by Ross H

This will also continue with AV2...frankly Im surprised you would think otherwise.

I don't know why you're surprised at members' concerns here. It's seems pretty that obvious we're getting a preview here of how av2 will operate, which right now to me, sounds like a bunch of vapid 'enlightened' people patting each other on the back, ever carefully watching their words for fear of accidentally saying something controversial and getting booted.

Personally I don't want to be part of any society where my worth is constantly being reevaluated/judged by some high panel of self appointed 'enlightened' beings.

[hobbit]

Yawn,
Fiddling whilst Rome burns.
Hobbit

[Nebula9D]

Wow..i just noticed this post. Yeah men, Anchor, Luminari, Jonah, UncleJohn, MyPlanet2, Helvetic, Eleni are all in the mist..you know... why... for speaking up. Spregovori resigned, Futureeyes, Murda, Gnosis5, Carol and now Karen are leaving. Oh i also noticed, Northern Boy is not a mod anymore!? .. Leaves one asking wtf?
Asking for the Truth is an honest endeavor, no matter if you are mod or not.

I'm all for the new AV 2.0 and sticking to the original spirit and intend thereof, that's why we are all here and all would agree. But the events of late, makes people hesitant to continue on with AV 2.0, good intentions and all.