New Avalon video: Jane Burgermeister update - Whatever happened to the Swine Flu?

[Bill Ryan]

Originally Posted by gita

I’m not sure what to believe either way but the organisers of Alternative View 4 which is ‘UK’s biggest truth event/conference’ decided to drop her as one of their speakers as she refused to provide the necessary documents to back up her claims.

Not so. Jane told me about this when I met her.

She was appalled that Ian Crane had unilaterally dropped her BEFORE asking her for any documentation.

She immediately offered to send documentation to prove her bona fides, but Ian Crane had already made up his mind - apparently influenced by persons unknown. Jane was extremely disappointed.

It looks like someone out there is still trying to turn this around to make Jane look bad. (Why would they do that?)

The documentation is here ... as I posted earlier. Please read it. And do also read what I wrote before risking hurting someone with inaccurate information.

Seashore, I'm familiar with the e-mail exchange between True Ott and Jane... it was copied to me months ago. I have the entire thing.

I can't and won't post it, for obvious reasons, but let me just say that I was pretty amazed with the way True Ott rounded on Jane and attacked her in that exchange - which he has continued to do publicly. I have not been able to explain the way he has handled himself.

It's worth asking why one member of the truth movement would spend SO much time attacking another, when they stand for the same cause. Seashore, you are not doing anyone a service (least of all yourself) by perpetuating this negative energy. Please stop it.

If you really want to find out more, rather than parroting someone else's attacks, WATCH THE TWO VIDEOS FROM BEGINNING TO END (have you done this?) - or, better still, take steps to meet Jane personally and make up your own mind.

It's too easy to cast judgment on another human being from one's own armchair, relying only on 'internet research'. There's WAY to much of that around.

That was my beef against Clif High, and it's also my beef against True Ott. This is why Kerry and I made all our videos: to provide the best possible substitute for meeting someone in person and getting to know them.

With best wishes, Bill

[Majorion]

Personally, I find Jane credible, and I was more than satisfied with the documentation.

The way I see it, is you have the anti-vaccine crowd and the pro-vaccine crowd. I can't understand - for the life of me - why anyone would promote a government vaccine or encourage others to take it, or worse yet; attack others who speak against it.

Anyone who takes a look at that old 70's American government swine flu commercial, urging people to take vaccines, and here we are same fear mongering in the 21st century, is monumental evidence of an agenda taking place, obviously the big pharmaceutical companies are involved (and who controls them by the way?) I think its safe to - at least - say that this "vaccine" is potentially dangerous and people should be well aware of this. Jane has been attacked by more than one person, which makes you wonder what "those" peoples' agendas really are.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Bill Ryan

...True Ott ...

Dr A True Ott is a dedicated and thorough researcher and servant for the public good.

[Dougall]

OK first off let me say I am here primarily for entertainment. I am certainly no expert and I watch the videos and read some of PA because I find it fascinating.
Also I am sort of a passive listener and usually pull up another page and play chess while I listen. It helps my game!

Having said that I will now say it strikes me that Jane's detractors sort of strengthen her case. The fact that someone wants to discredit her makes the whole thing stand up if you ask me. Dr Ott's point of view also provides back story and time line.

It seems to me that Jane may have wanted to break the story sooner than her associates and so began the rift. I tend not to think every other person is a dis info agent, however as I said I am no expert.

One thing for certain She is a beautiful woman (so easy on the eyes) and Bill has made some very good interviews with her. What more can you ask for?

[Curative]

Good interview, Bill & Jane (excellent adventure)


I remember Jane's being one of the clearer voices, speaking so directly about the swine flu vaccine dangers, and specifically on the "Baxter incident".
Jane did what most do not, she actually filed charges, or at least went through the motions, and went public with it. She certainly raised her head high above the parapet.

Because of Bill's initiative to interview Jane at that time (1st time) her message was significantly aided in going "viral" throughout the alternative community worldwide. This had a significant effect in deflecting the full damage potential of the PTB's inoculation initiative and has made things more difficult for a repeat performance. Huge kudos points to you both, sincerely.

Jane does not seem very corporately driven, as a lot of her accusers do IMHO. Most importantly Jane B' although intelligent, speaks from the heart, to the heart, it just resonates don't you think?

Apparently some people don't think as highly of Jane as do most others, and both innuendo and allegation have crept in. Bill was quick to her defence, I'm pleased to say. Yet still doubt lingers thanks most recently to Ian R Crane, which even has me wondering WTH?

Bill, I appreciate your valiant effort to appease the issue, with respect, in view of the seriousness of some comments, would you please invite Jane to make public her own truth on the matter? Bearing in mind she is absolutely best placed to give it, and may it well put an end to this negativity. (and intrigue)

comply

[3optic]

I've watched this exchange between True Ott and Burgermeister with disappointment because I like them both. I listened to an ugly episode of the Deagle show as he and True Ott broke the story down. The charge seemed t be that Burgermeister was co-opting the anti vaccine movement before it had a foothold and was spreading some kind of disinformation (what exactly is unclear to me).

Deagle makes a compelling case for H1N1 still being a threat but the episode was not his finest hour. It sort of devolved into a strange paranoid testosterone fueled rant with Deagle issuing ominous threats to unspecified enemies.

[mu2143]

maybe he will cease to exist for you..why don't you try...

I was trying to make a point,but ill give you another one.

If some one throws a ball to you and you think that people who throw balls at you do not exist you will noticed them when you get hit by the ball.

[mu2143]

Another thing I want people to make aware of is the PTB wants to confuse you that brings you in a state of wanted to do and wanted to do nothing.
Most will pick the last option.

What realy happend is that there simple put the explosives in to the WTC building. (example)
Its like a cover and when the virus is imbedded in to the population they just need another trigger (event) to throw the switch for the explosive to go off in this case it was on 911 air plains going in to the buildings causing it to collapse (another cover)

We all knew they pull it!

Also we know that the virus is designed to recombine!!!just the right trigger for the right location and the type of virus and boem!!!

It is very simple to prepare for this virus , but PTB wants you to do nothing and spread the word it is a hoax!!.

[Antonia]

This so interesting ...especially the irish Constitutional stuff... I'm Irish..
I would love to know the names of the organisations here in ireland that are on to this??? Or who I could contact ??