Are we slaves or free-who decides

Kulapops · 03-06-2010, 01:00 AM

Not to comment on the slaves/free because that's such an interesting topic I could write away with that one...

ok.. that's a leading start! so I'll just say this.

It maybe there is no freedom in what happens to us, but that has nothing to do with illuminati etc. Think about it, whatever you choose to do is generalyl your 'best' guess at was is the right thing to do. Which of us, thinking that option 1 is worse than option 2 (when taking everything into account) picks option 1? so our experiences and influences determine our actions, and it's hard to veer from that if at all. However I think we are free to think about everything. We are free to entertain the options, and everything is possible, so there is freedom there, somewhere...

But the thing about your post that interests me most Zeddo, is your reflective question on why do we post, and are we looking for someone's endorsement.

I think that is a very perceptive question. And at it's heart is the possibility that every post we make is looking for endorsement from someone. Who isn't pleased when someone's read their thread, or someone comments on their post?

In the end even that is perhaps a mask.. to a deeper idea that really, each time we post, maybe we're looking for self-endorsement? Self-affirment of our worthiness.

Which in itself is a paradox, because which of us, compared to the whole of Avalon membership of postings, is important (in a quantitative way?) In the grand scheme of things? And yet, at the same time we're all incredibly important, unique and infinitely special.

I ask myself a lot what I am doing here?, and what are my motivations for posting. If I am just posting to be seen, or to belong, or to stand out, or to harmonise, or to be liked, or to encourage, or to help, or to shock?

Ultimately, as I develop, I hope my need to engage will decrease, or at least that my reflections will become calmer and less with a 'charge'. I want to 'be' more, and say less... but for now, it's hard to shut me up

Great question Zeddo. You got me thinking.

Majorion · 03-06-2010, 01:29 AM

In my opinion, freedom is variable, depending on your physical location (different laws in different nations), your relationships, your duties and responsibilities such as work. With some things you are absolutely free by every sense of the definition, and with other things you're not and one knows it. The larger question is whether the unfair system this world operates on actually rids you of all and/or any freedom in your life, the answer - in most cases - is probably no. Because that would suggest that dreams never (or don't) come true, when we know they do, but just aren't as easily fulfilled and that is our problem, we know its not easy and we often want the easy way. The way I see it actually is you get opportunities and are constantly offered certain choices in life, sort of as a test, and although your choices are limited and even the freedom is limited, you still ultimately get to make that final choice, and if the majority of your choices were good then it will reflect later in life, same as the bad, your happiness factor being the key here, that's what we want from freedom; to be lead through freedom to a life of happiness. Though this issue is such a riddle because everyone has a different opinion and life has treated everyone differently, so, thats why I say its variable, it depends mainly on the conditions people have been subjected to; willingly or unwillingly, in life.

Zeddo · 03-06-2010, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Kulapops

Great question Zeddo. You got me thinking.

and I think, that in a nutshell, is what it is all about. To get thinking just a little deeper, a little longer.

I head George Carlin say in one of his shows "We need to teach the kids to question". You can't get better than that!

LL&P

Z

03-06-2010, 01:00 AM	#1
Kulapops Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Torbay, UK Posts: 704	Re: Are we slaves or free-who decides Not to comment on the slaves/free because that's such an interesting topic I could write away with that one... ok.. that's a leading start! so I'll just say this. It maybe there is no freedom in what happens to us, but that has nothing to do with illuminati etc. Think about it, whatever you choose to do is generalyl your 'best' guess at was is the right thing to do. Which of us, thinking that option 1 is worse than option 2 (when taking everything into account) picks option 1? so our experiences and influences determine our actions, and it's hard to veer from that if at all. However I think we are free to think about everything. We are free to entertain the options, and everything is possible, so there is freedom there, somewhere... But the thing about your post that interests me most Zeddo, is your reflective question on why do we post, and are we looking for someone's endorsement. I think that is a very perceptive question. And at it's heart is the possibility that every post we make is looking for endorsement from someone. Who isn't pleased when someone's read their thread, or someone comments on their post? In the end even that is perhaps a mask.. to a deeper idea that really, each time we post, maybe we're looking for self-endorsement? Self-affirment of our worthiness. Which in itself is a paradox, because which of us, compared to the whole of Avalon membership of postings, is important (in a quantitative way?) In the grand scheme of things? And yet, at the same time we're all incredibly important, unique and infinitely special. I ask myself a lot what I am doing here?, and what are my motivations for posting. If I am just posting to be seen, or to belong, or to stand out, or to harmonise, or to be liked, or to encourage, or to help, or to shock? Ultimately, as I develop, I hope my need to engage will decrease, or at least that my reflections will become calmer and less with a 'charge'. I want to 'be' more, and say less... but for now, it's hard to shut me up Great question Zeddo. You got me thinking.

03-06-2010, 01:29 AM	#2
Majorion Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: ∞ Posts: 654	Re: Are we slaves or free-who decides In my opinion, freedom is variable, depending on your physical location (different laws in different nations), your relationships, your duties and responsibilities such as work. With some things you are absolutely free by every sense of the definition, and with other things you're not and one knows it. The larger question is whether the unfair system this world operates on actually rids you of all and/or any freedom in your life, the answer - in most cases - is probably no. Because that would suggest that dreams never (or don't) come true, when we know they do, but just aren't as easily fulfilled and that is our problem, we know its not easy and we often want the easy way. The way I see it actually is you get opportunities and are constantly offered certain choices in life, sort of as a test, and although your choices are limited and even the freedom is limited, you still ultimately get to make that final choice, and if the majority of your choices were good then it will reflect later in life, same as the bad, your happiness factor being the key here, that's what we want from freedom; to be lead through freedom to a life of happiness. Though this issue is such a riddle because everyone has a different opinion and life has treated everyone differently, so, thats why I say its variable, it depends mainly on the conditions people have been subjected to; willingly or unwillingly, in life.