Consciousness, Christian Theology, and the Revelation of John

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by 4Q529

Then, clearly, he has not received either the Vision of the "Son of man" or the Revelation of the Memory of Creation.

Then, clearly, he does not know that the "serpent" in Genesis 3 is a symbol for the 'movement' of self-reflection; that the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" is a symbol for the consciousness of the "self"; or that the 'fig leaves' of Genesis 3 refer to the thoughts of the 'thinker'.

Then, clearly, he does not understand that this symbolism is extended by Jesus in Saying #37 of the Gospel of Thomas.

Then, clearly, he does not understand that this symbolism is continued in the "dragon", the "beast of the sea" and the "beast of the earth" in the Revelation of John.

With respect clearly you perceive in your own personal way.
Clearly his subjective experience is his.
I dont know what he thinks about the statements in Genesis you mention, with respect neither do you.
im not about to try and change anyones point of view.
Im sharing what I believe to be so about what he has experienced to be so.
If any one wishes to investigate further what you are saying that is their free choice.
If any one wishes to investigate what Dr Hawkins teaches thats their freedom of choice.

I go with what Beren said on another thread,
Love love and then see what happens.
Love and fear are not compatible.
Regards and best wishes.
Chris

[HORIZONS]

Originally Posted by greybeard

With respect clearly you perceive in your own personal way.
Clearly his subjective experience is his.
I dont know what he thinks about the statements in Genesis you mention, with respect neither do you.
im not about to try and change anyones point of view.
Im sharing what I believe to be so about what he has experienced to be so.
If any one wishes to investigate further what you are saying that is their free choice.
If any one wishes to investigate what Dr Hawkins teaches thats their freedom of choice.

I go with what Beren said on another thread,
Love love and then see what happens.
Love and fear are not compatible.
Regards and best wishes.
Chris

This is a very open point of view, while the other seems to be closed and dogmatic.

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by HORIZONS

This is a very open point of view, while the other seems to be closed and dogmatic.

My belief Horizon is that God is Love and that is the attraction.
How would I learn anything if I dident have an open point of view with discernment of course?

Ive found that If people are lectured at then out of fear they will stay with their established beliefs even if these beliefs are proved to be wrong, therefor trying to cajole people is unproductive and a sheer waste of time, you just alienate them even though your point of view might be life saving and valid.

God being Love does not need force to bring people to believe in Him.
Jesus used love to attract disciples.
He taught love God,love your enemy and forgiveness.

Chris