New Zealand Ground Crew

[IndigoPhoenix]

i was wondering if anybody could help me with this situation, my girlfriend and i are trying to make it down to NZ before everything comes undone...im concerned about how to get in to NZ with out having any kind of visa..we want to fly under the radar of the government so that we can at least head for the mountains in the south island and hide...please help i feel like we r running out of time and we need as much info and help as possible. blessings

[Gareth]

Originally Posted by IndigoPhoenix

i was wondering if anybody could help me with this situation, my girlfriend and i are trying to make it down to NZ before everything comes undone...im concerned about how to get in to NZ with out having any kind of visa..we want to fly under the radar of the government so that we can at least head for the mountains in the south island and hide...please help i feel like we r running out of time and we need as much info and help as possible. blessings

You are certainly better off coming here legally. Our immigration officials do deport people here illegally.

The only advise I can offer is to go to the New Zealand High Commission and ask them for advise.

[Optix]

G'day ya'll, anyone out there who has been paying attention should be aware that things are starting to fall apart overseas and it might be time to start putting out heads together to find out where the safest places are for us in this country in both the north and south islands, obviously avoiding largely populated and low lying areas. Im situated in upper northland, close to our kauri forests. Any suggestions people???

Hi All!

I personally haven't noticed a lot of chemtrail activity here (I have definitely seen it tho and there's some examples on http://www.mysteriousnewzealand.co.n...ndex.php?cat=9 ) - Europe and Nth America seem to be much harder hit. I think that they may have sprayed Auckland early yesterday morning tho... I'm pretty sure that most of the spraying that's done here is very sneaky like at night or when there's already a lot of cloud cover (or maybe they don't spray much or I don't see it). Too many farmers who look at the weather all the time maybe...

They're easy to spot when fresh as they are at much lower altitudes than contrails (usually somewhere around the cumulus or just above) and they spread out and 'stick' to the sky rather than dissipating within half an hour or so like contrails do (unless there's lots of orgonite around). You then get a creepy kind of haze in the air. Contrails generally need to be cirrus cloud height or greater to form because that's where its cold enough.

I agree its nice to see some fellow Kiwi of like mind! Hi to everyone

I'm another who thinks that things are not going to be total doom and gloom with disasters everywhere, altho I'm sure that there will be some trying times. At the end of the day its up to us to create what we what to see, so I guess that's why we're here... As I see it we are basically responsible for the state of it all now anyway...

I'd have to agree Earwig, I've been living in Auckland for three years now and have seen about four chemtrails the whole time I've been here. Thats all during the day though so there probably has been more when I'm not looking. The sneaky bastards!!
Alot of people think that the upcoming changes are going to be cataclismic and earth changing, I bloody well hope not!! I don't blame the earth if it wants to throw us off but hopefully it'll give us some more time to make these changes without half the human race dying.

What needs to happen is that people change their way of thinking, its hard to do because of the way we're brought up, it generally takes something dramatic of tramatic to jolt someone out of their current mindset. The PTB are going to provide the jolt so hopefully more people will start to wake up in the coming days. The new way of thinking needs to look to the future, we need to set a goal for the direction we are going to take this country and work towards it. I think that the goal should be to reach self sustainability, no more participating in globalisation. People think that not participating in globalisation will mean that we will be isolationist and have no contact with the outside world. Not so!! Dumb argument.
New Zealand is in a very unique position, we are part of the Western power structure and a very small population. So if we enact positive change here which would be a lot easier than in other Western countries, it would reverberate throughout the West. To optimistic?? No way!
Along with the self sustainability goal, there needs to be substantial reforms. Our currency needs to be based on something tangible rather than "confidence", if it wasn't so serious it'll be hilarious.
We need to change the tax system which is a given, and we should not be paying interest to print our own money. Government needs to not be about gaining 'power' but instead they should be the custodians of the country. Tasked with making sure that future genrations are going to inherit a self sustainable land not a sinking ship. Corporations should be made to have constitutions like countries, they should have mandates to look after citizens and the environment.
These are very idealistic ideals and people will say that they are not achieveable, wrong again. Anything is achieveable we just need people power.
How are we going to get the people power?? By explaining to them the current situation proposing the solution. Saying that if they agree with the solution to help by telling other people. Grass roots movement.
Thoughts??

[sakuna]

Dependency has eroded our human spirit, we r so detached from natural rythms & cycles that we have lost sight of our divine ability.
I believe in sustainability through small community based & owned infrastructure. Diversity stimulated by individual ability & the need to contribute to the economy with information,produce,labour,crafts,resources,wisdom etc.
Interdependence is the solution, one is equal to the sum of all parts. If we were more dependent on each other, surely our relationships with humanity & nature would be in harmony. Instead we allow corporates to breed addiction within our society & manipulate our fragile minds.
Throw your tv away,dig a garden,hand milk a cow,learn how to make your own fuel,build a hinaki,camp in the bush for a night or 2,share with your neighbours.
Remember what it feels like to be connected to a greater source,realise your own unique worth & ability,we all have that choice.
Best regards

[Peter]

Right on sakuna, I find it sad to see that nearly everyone has their little piece of 100% pure green sterilised lawn attached to their stately dwelling but very few grow vegetables. We have to promote that self sustainable Kiwi lifesyle of old.
I believe the use of 1080 and its indiscriminating erradication of the wild game and the set net ban are part of the Governments covert population control, along with the chemtrails of course which we seem to be getting more of over here on the west coast.
The best solution I feel is to be a positive example in the community and also to concerntrate our energy on the children before they become as apathetic as their parents.

keep keeping on.
Peter.

[steveyg]

Hi Everyone,

Heres my 10 cents worth...
NZ is a very very good place to be, especially moving into 2009.
Lots of land, water, mild climate and laid back resourceful people.
Like all developed countries, I suspect living in the big cities will prove to be problematic and NZ's big cities are no exception. As I see it the integrated logistics system will possibly break down. This is how your food gets from the manufacturer to your local supermarket. Credit difficulties and fuel supply (peak oil) could accentuate this problem. Iceland have this issue now.
What you need to be doing now is getting your thinking straight. Don't get too caught up with chemtrails, ufos, illuminati, escaping to Uraguay or any of that ****. Don't listen to alot of the blatantly fear based disinformation on the net either e.g. Blossom Goodchild, Bill Deagle and the zetatalk website - I found this stuff just brings you down and gets in the way of YOU coming up with viable solutions. Be discerning, if you focus on it, it becomes real. Particulary important heading into 2009 to 2012.
Don't let other peoples dramas, karma or egos get in your way. Alot of 'new age' types just have big egos and have a bone to grind. Switch it off and go for a walk outdoors, play with the dog, have a coffee, lighten up and get centred.

The solution lies with you, get your thinking straight and the rest falls into place pretty effortlessly.

As for me, I've got a couple of acres in Hawkes Bay, bore water, chooks, vegies and a wood fired oven with a wetback. If the grid goes at least I have hot water and cooked meals. I'm way better off than alot of 'rich' city people. 2012 is all about emotional control, thoughts and manifesting your own reality. Go with the flow and trust your intuition. Turn off the tv and the computer, enjoy nature and be reconnected with the earth.

Good luck everyone,
Steve

[IRKCOD]

Good thoughts StevenG.

A lot of getting on with life, if there are grid or other issues, will involve the development of strong local communities prepared to assist one another.
In this respect you being out in the country have a more solid base to build from. Here in the 'Big Smoke' we 'Jafas' have to break back into a communication mode. Talking to the neighbours over the fence may be just a traumatic as the event that gives rise to needing to do it.

Well they say challanges are the spice of life and isn't that what we are all here for?
You always have to look on the positive side, no matter how small it may be.

[steveyg]

Hi IRKOD,
Yes, even in the rural parts of NZ, your community is important. You need to have a sense of contribution and help others. So yes, being prepared to communicate with people and being part of a community is a good start.
Hiding in the hills behind a barb wire fence with guns, eating freeze dried food is a bit too paranoid for me.
Auckland could be a ok if you have a quarter acre with plenty of garden. It'd be pretty easy to get a collective going between neighbours, that way you can specialise in growing a few crops and trade with your excess produce. The climate is humid and warm so you can grow anything up there. My nana lived next to some Samoans and they had a banana tree!
If your're in an apartment, I'd be thinking of an alternative living arangement. It just won't cut it moving forward. Property in NZ has never been more affordable, a good time to get that bit of land, something to consider anyway.

[linkes]

when are we all going to get together like the australian guys have ?

[steveyg]

Hi Linkes,

Whats the goal here?

Get togethers are good but also involve travel, time and committment.
Also, if eveyones goals are different then its setting people up for a big dissapointment as you'll never meet everyones expectations.

Maybe we're just an information and support network for now? Its always good to bounce ideas around and debate. Does that makes sense.

What do you guys think?

Cheers, Steve

[IRKCOD]

Hi Linkes & Steveyg.

I tend to agree at this point we should be more an information and support grouping.

In this respect I feel there would be a benefit in establishing a central repository (library) on the net where PDF downloads on Survival, Homesteading, Medical, Living in 3rd world conditions etc can be logged.

I'm not advocating a forum type setup, which are good, but I personally find difficult to 'backtrack on' looking for ideas I recall having seen in the past and would now like clarification on.

While there is a fantastic resource in the net it takes a lot of time to 'surf' for relevant information. A central resource may also stimulate ideas in others about areas they may have overlooked in making their own plans.

[Optix]

Hello...?

Is it just me or doesnt it seem like theres much activity on the New Zealand forums, is this because most of our mates are asleep or are we all just waiting for the right time.
Anyway, since we'v got a place to chat specifically for our country why dont we talk about whats generally going on here and start sharing some information.
Now just to start off is it safe to assume im not the only nzer whose watched the project camelot videos? Or maybe seen Zeitgeist and heard of jordan maxwell and michael tsarion, or maybe uv heard of david icke or david wilcock, maybe even had a look at some of the conscious media network interviews.
I know theres heaps more but some of the ideas held by these people can do with some debate right.. anyone got something to add or possibly links to other interesting information? the least we can do is to get on the same page as each other right..

Peace

[IRKCOD]

Optix,

While there are only a comparative few commenting, at last viewing the stats showed 33 posts with 1,155 visits to this tread, some people are getting the message.

Community wise we certainly don't appear to be strong as last time I looked at the NZ Social listing there were only 2 on it. To my way of thinking that should be the forum for setting up a local information/Resource exchange under the appropriate "survival" threads
Current news and 'alerts' are great on this the main forum, but trying to research it for specific topics becomes difficult and time consuming.

There are a lot of people out there waiting or wanting to be woken up, particularly with the current financial fiasco. I download a lot of the interviews from Camelot and other sites and put them on CD/DVD's. A few friends and a lot of the kids (adult & teenage) friends borrow or copy them.

By the same token there are others that appear to think that we are 'fringe dwellers'

Lets hope we get more 'Life' on the NZ. While it may go against the general NZ conservative nature to express opinion in public, here at least you have the opportunity to do it as anonymously as you wish.



(Have just rechecked the listing and see that you have added yourself to it - Great)

[Peter]

Hi folks, I'm still checking in and reading as much as poss on this site, there's so many interesting threads I just don't get time to contribute.
So, I'll throw in a subject thats really bothering me, I believe the 1080 drops and the Setnet ban are simply there to stop us from getting free food and to stop or discourage people from going "bush" when the supermarkets are empty. Also I've been told by a friend that Council workers are being "taught" how to convince coastal land owners to give up their properties with the excuse that a tidal wave is coming. Any thoughts ?.
Keep on keeping on, Peter.

[steveyg]

Hi Peter,

Be discerning with the information you look at. The internet is like walking into a libray with all the books lying on the floor.

I wouldn't worry about the setnet ban and 1080. In a few years the Government is likely to have no money, you'll be lucky if anyone is there to answer the phones. There are plenty of people currently living off their own land in NZ, no one is stopping you joining them if you want, be prepared to do some work though.

I also doubt council workers are telling coast dwellers to move due to 'tidal waves', more like explaining how storm surges due to rising ocean levels will begin to encroach on our coastal land. These residents would be wanting their councils to do more to protect their way of life. Councils are hip to the diminishing returns of coastal properties. Anyone dumb enough to still be holding onto high-risk coastal property will realise soon enough the limitations of this living arrangement.

[HaveBlue]

Hi people, Optix I just hope you are good friends with the Maori up there as that is Ngapuhi country-in other words they are the ones that ate white people, longpork they called us! But they ate each other too! That was a 100 yeras ago to be sure but if things got bad enough they would be quite happy to revert to it I'm sure!
Down here in the SAouth Island there is only 1 million people compared to 3 million for the north island.
There is no methamphetimine freaks here either. A local cop told me that in Dunedin and Invergargill there is no problem with that but in Christchurch there is. I lived in Hamilton for 25 years and have been here 10 yeras. it was the best thing I've ever done,moving here that is. The people are nicer and more intelligent per capita too.
Feel free to look me up (anyone that reads this) if you ever visit or move down this way. And it's not as cold as people think! That's a disinfo thing to keep the idiots away!
Regard,Stephen

[Optix]

Hahaha HaveBlue, im well aware that theres a lot of ngapuhi country up here but generally you can talk to them now since they know english so im hoping it doesnt get so bad that i get eaten.....
but then for that to happen they'd have to catch me, and im verry verrry sneaky.
Plus from what i make of this country i think im lookin to move to the south island in the next year or two anyway, i id feel safer in the mountains being higher up. a lot of northland is low lying and would get flooded from any serious storm.

[utopiandreamer]

Hi KIwis , Kia Ora . w.r.t. chemtrails there are much less chemtrails here than in Europe , so that's great . Probably due to our blue skies they spray at night so you can not see them . If you want to watch the end result look at the sun on a blue sky like now for example on the north shore , you will notice that around the sun the color is a pale whitish blue . Do not fear the chemtrails as for now but fear the coming CODEX ALIMENTARIUS implementation , and the future banning of alternative medicines . the magazine " Uncensored " last issue has a very nice article on the subject , it is imperative to read it to learn how to react and concentrate our efforts .

[Optix]

Hiya, Im going to say utopiandreamer has the right idea, i also read that article against natural medicines in the uncensored magazine and i would recommend uncensored and nexus magazines both as excellent alternative and informative reading material that can be purchased from your local super markets or post shops. the problem with these tho is its all good and well to read about it and be aware but its another for us to have anyway for everyone to communicate with each other about these ideas. therefore i propose we either start a new thread based as a discussion group on magazines like these or we utilise the new zealand forum for that purpose as we havent really had much activity so far haha.

[IRKCOD]

Hi Optix,

I think the New Zealand Forum (Social Group) would be the appropriate place to use. Likely to be far less threads so easier to locate ideas etc.

[Barron]

Hi Fellow Kiwis.

Delighted to have recently found this web community and this is my first post to say "hi".

I'm a 40 year old male living on the outskirts of Auckland in a beautiful patch of Kauris and Rimus etc and have been on a search for knowledge and truth my whole life - you never stop learning!

For those interested I am active on another great site that is "gathering the ground crew" and it is www.ashtarcommand.net

Blessings to All.
Barron

[Dakini7]

I've thought carefully about posting this - and have now decided it is the right move. Sorry for the re-post, I also posted this in the other NZ thread.

I thought I should share with all of you that I contacted Maximise on here, regarding NZ ground crew plans. He was friendly at first, then upon viewing my website which outlines my artist/musician profile of a more spiritual nature - he outright judged me and said he wasn't interested in the kind of work I do, and that I basically wasn't welcome.

He then signed the email he sent me, LEADER, of some Aotearoa group.

I feel it is important that there is transparency, in these early formative stages...and we all need to be careful about who we associate ourselves with to co-create these ground crews & bases.

Personally, anyone calling themselves a leader, who judges others without even finding out about them directly - I would be concerned about their assumed role of "leader".

I am not interested in further fueling this conflict, nor having a public war with anyone. We have enough disharmony already on this planet. I approach people on here, for support, collaboration & co-creation. I don't believe it is acceptable for anyone to judge, exclude, or label THEMSELVES or anyone else. That's just continuing with old dysfunctional behaviours of segregation and EGO.

As I wrote to Maximise : "A united community presents an inpenetrable front against corruption."

I wish you all the best in finding the right leaders, and collaborators to work with - conscious, open, loving, passionate individuals all about working TOGETHER for a better world.

Blessings.

[Peter]

Thankx Dakini7, like you I believe we should be open and truthfull on this forum.
I contacted Maximise myself after reading his 1st post but when I saw he signed himself leader the warning lights started flashing, I personally have no desire to be in anyones flock.
Like you my wife Rosie and I are both Artists/musicians and we are also very spiritually inclined, so he won't be wanting us amongst his followers, Baa.
I doubt very much that you, Maximise will find many people here ready to take you on as their leader. The majority here are Free souls thats why they are here, the ones looking for leaders are sitting in front of their televisions or tugging on the priests cassock.
The EGO desires recognition, control and power over others we have to leave our ego's behind and accept to share the responsibility of decision making.
Arguably some people need and want to be guided, like the weak willed the mentally handicapped and of course young children and we all have a responsibility to help those individuals who ask for help. I never imagined that any of the ground crew members would want to follow a leader it seems so strange to me, isn't that where humanity up till now has gone wrong.
Thankx again Dakini7 I hope we meet one day,
Bye for now, Peter.