Why making God unfashionable never works..

[lisa]

As you know, Dr. David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D's "Ph.D" is from an unaccredited diploma mill that was shut down by court order: http://www.skepdic.com/news/newsletter58.html#3

Why is his name still attached to those letters?

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by lisa

As you know, Dr. David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D's "Ph.D" is from an unaccredited diploma mill that was shut down by court order: http://www.skepdic.com/news/newsletter58.html#3

Why is his name still attached to those letters?

Llsa I have no idea about the Ph.D and frankly it doesn't concern me. He was a practicing Dr and Psychiatrist for years.

Is it not just possible that he got the qualification honestly whilst the place was accreited?
If so he would be entitled to keep the qualification. If he was dishonest he would have been struck off
Regardless look at the rest of his biology is that false too?

It is easy to put stuff on the net and claim Hoax as you know.
Virtually every prominent spiritual person has had their reputation put in doubt.

All I can say is that I have benefited greatly from his books and I dont have to defend anyone.
You are perfectly entitled to your opinion Lisa and whatever moves you.

Regards to you
Chris

[lisa]

I asked because Dr David Hawkins is supposed to be "in that rare state of nonduality -ego less, Oneness with God".
It is surprising that someone at that state is attached to letters behind his name.
Also, I think that a spiritual person should naturally be truthful.

Originally Posted by greybeard

All I can say is that I have benefited greatly from his books and I dont have to defend anyone.

That's great, thanks!

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by lisa

I asked because Dr David Hawkins is supposed to be "in that rare state of nonduality -ego less, Oneness with God".
It is surprising that someone at that state is attached to letters behind his name.
Also, I think that a spiritual person should naturally be truthful.


That's great, thanks!

Yes you are correct Lisa, Hawkins is not attached to anything in that he is not the this or that, being a Dr is a function not what he is. all functions are to be respected but they are just labels.
The reason for getting the PhD is that the first book Power Versus force was aimed at the intellect as a bridge between the linear and non linear and he is well aware in this world people of so called intellect are more likly to read a book by a PhD. Thats the way it is here. St Teresa wrote a foreword for the book.
Anyway its a good book to read as a bridge between the scientific and the world of the mystic.

Regards
Chris

[greybeard]

Thanks for the story Beren.
Jeus was offered much by the devil but refused.

I wouldn't want the responsibility of power or to be a co-creator with God.
Like everyone else I have had a measure of success and my 30 seconds of fame
Im happy with the little I have now and the freedom of not having my own house or car to worry about.
My five children are grown up and have never given me a sleepless night. God has been and is kind.
My mind is quiet.
What more could I want?
With love
Chris

[RedeZra]

what is not confined within the heart

but can be found there


what is not chained within Creation

but can be unlocked there


what is not lost nor bound

but forever fresh and free


whose form is Love and name is Truth

[lisa]

Originally Posted by greybeard

The reason for getting the PhD is that the first book Power Versus force was aimed at the intellect as a bridge between the linear and non linear and he is well aware in this world people of so called intellect are more likly to read a book by a PhD. Thats the way it is here. St Teresa wrote a foreword for the book.

Thanks Chris.

If that is the case, Dr. David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D should know that the Bible says:
"Thou shalt not lie."
not
"Thou shalt not lie unless you want to sell a book."
nor
"Thou shalt not lie unless you find a good excuse."

[truth and integrity]

Greetings, aroundthetable

[truth and integrity]

Originally posted by Frank Samuel
At one point in my life I had an amazing collection of books, proud to consider myself an educated man.

I have been there too. I love studying, learning, and growing and I’ve always wanted to understand the depth of human psyche. But I felt that I was chasing a shadow. I was fascinated by a new theory and than I experienced a dark night of the soul when I entered a questioning period. It is another stage in our growth when after questioning, synthesizing, and integrating our experience and knowledge we reach our inner truth. There is no more guessing but inner clarity and peacefulness, a place where values, beliefs, and the actions become one. We do not need to think about values but simply living them and our faith is more than beliefs or even a way of life, but is a total commitment to the ongoing, guiding presence of God. This is how I understand my cherished verse: Seek the truth and the truth shall set you free.

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by lisa

Thanks Chris.

If that is the case, Dr. David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D should know that the Bible says:
"Thou shalt not lie."
not
"Thou shalt not lie unless you want to sell a book."
nor
"Thou shalt not lie unless you find a good excuse."

Oh lisa
if you get a degree from what you believe to be a credible source to further your aim to reduce the suffering of the world, how come thats a lie?

Please read the book get the informtion first hand or at least read the info here
http://www.veritaspub.com/index.php?page=about

You are coming from a place of lack of knowledge about the subject.
Thats ok but please take at least a little time to study Dr Hawkins before you cast stones.
He has helped thousands of people face to face and thats a fact.

Let he who is without sin etc.

Anyway your thoughts are yours.
Thanks for giving me the opportunity to talk more about Dr Hawkins who also helped set up AA which saved my life.
Have a nice day.

Regards Chris

[aroundthetable]

Good day my fine friends. That was a nice passage Beren, a humble attitude is required for spiritual progress. Spritual practice as taught for thousands of years cleans the dust off the heart and restores the natural beauty of the soul within. It is like a mirror that gets dusty and loses its reflection qualities, steady spiritual practice cleans the mirror of the soul and thereby brings the intelligence with which to understand Gods message. Whilst a person is filled with hate and anger, they will never understand, they never actually try the experiment offered in scripture, though they are most in need to do so.

[aroundthetable]

My friends, why do you think making God unfashionable never works? Even a small browse amongst the wonderful posts here indirectly makes this kind of obvious, but i think returning to the original question can bring some good answers from the thinkers here.

Ill attempt to start this off again as best as i am able.

Its because God is REAL, he sits next to us ALWAYS in our heart ( actually Nassim Haramein has made some good progress on this albeit in a mostly physics sense) We may forget God, we may choose to be a slave to the senses and run around in circles collecting the baubles of material existence and engage in consumerism.

So God is real, God is within and without and he never forgets us, he is always there for us when we wish to return home. We have a much better place to be, free from the cycle of birth, old age, disease and death. As long as we inhabit a material body we will never be in our constitutional position. We are meant to go home, back to Godhead.

So God will never become unfashionable because He will not allow it to become so. There is so much more in store for us in the spiritual world.

[Frank Samuel]

Good morning to all I love to see that all is alive and well on this thread.
God indeed never goes out of style. From a Historical perspective I am a bit disappointed that many books concerning the life of Jesus where left out intentionally out of the new testament. One example of that if Jesus mother Mary . His Mother was an integral part of Jesus life specially after his crucifixion. Good old Peter never thought that a woman should be given any credit so her version was not included. For those that already know Jesus was not born from a virgin. Jesus did have a biological Father. Jesus did marry and had children , no mention of this in the New Testament. Jesus had brothers and sisters . I can go on and on. Many of these facts are important because they unravel the true story of Jesus . I want to give you an example of how we deify good people and overlook the real history. Martin Luther King jr. a great man who is given credit for helping black and minorities gain civil liberties in America. Martin's real story was told by a dear friend of his, Rev. Abernathy.
He mention both Martin's attributes and Martin's faults. Many people where angry with Abernathy. He in turn just said this is what Martin would have wanted. The Romans of that time use Jesus as a political tool to maintain control in a fallen Kingdom. While I do agree that Jesus came in the position of a Messiah. We are looking at Jesus from the eyes of those that wanted to replace the Roman and Greeks Gods with Jesus. I know many people would be angry with me for mentioning these things. I ask you do you think less of Martin Luther King Jr. because of the facts concerning his life? The facts do not take anything away from the real Jesus on the contrary it helps all of us to establish a better relationship to this important Figure in History. If they would have done that history would had change, the Catholic church would have not been the power structure that it is today, the crusades, the witch hunting, the burning of heretics at the stake, etc. I often wonder how does Jesus feels when people talk about him without really knowing the real story. I know you guys are going to kill me, well my relationship to Jesus is personal and Jesus has played a major role in my life since my birth. So for me the things I have mention do not make Jesus a less important figure quite the opposite it strengthens my relationship and understanding of him.

[truthseekerdan]

My friends, let's all live by these words...

I use for my lips. . . truth

I use for my voice . . kindness

I use for my ears . . compassion

I use for my hands . . charity

I use for my figure . . uprightness

I use for my heart . . love

I use for any who do not like me . . prayer.

Love and Blessings to All,

Dan

[greybeard]

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[greybeard]

[QUOTE=greybeard;242734]Yes aroundthetable we have moved some way from the original topic
Try as I will, I cant see a way that making God unfashionable would work.
I looked a the way the world is at the moment.
Hawkins said "Its not more freedom of speech, it freedom from speech we need ."
Think that sums up.
We have gone overboard to be politically correct.
So in these difficult times we need God more than ever.
On teacher said " Man rarely learns by gentle reminders"
We might be in for a very big reminder who exactly is Boss and created all that is.

With love
Chris

[aroundthetable]

Hey Dan did you get a chance to listen to that radio show, i put on a thread called Glenn Kimball visits Hell,


It does drive home that urgent need to wake up. oh he also visits heaven

[truthseekerdan]

Originally Posted by aroundthetable

Hey Dan did you get a chance to listen to that radio show, i put on a thread called Glenn Kimball visits Hell,


It does drive home that urgent need to wake up. oh he also visits heaven

Yes I did, was great listening to him even though did not quite agree with everything that was said.

[aroundthetable]

Glad you enjoyed Dan, what struck me was the way the experience humbled him so much that he just wanted to be a janitor at the gates of heaven, in the Vedas, great saints pray to become a speck of dust on the Lords feet.

[truth and integrity]

Before I asked why making God unfashionable never works, I had asked myself why 27 million people in US suffer from major depression, while others are tormented by anxiety disorders, addiction and many more. Why I could observe this blank and empty gaze on so many faces, faces devoid of any emotional expression. Why people are loosing their ability to think critically. Why there is so much suffering and pain. And my heart was broken. My quest led to mind control. I think I have found today a missing piece that put my doubts at rest. I have been watching a response of Dr. Lewis to Dr. G. Well, assistance professor of social science at MIU who does research on Transcendental Meditation and Unified Field Theory. Dr Well said: “The goals of TM and technology of Unified Field theory is to create human life according to its design and to restore to its potential…. to restore to human functioning what is being lost” He was talking about potential and happiness but his face was a mask with an empty and soulless eyes. Do I want to have that kind of happiness? Absolutely not. On contrary, Dr Lewis’s face was fully alive with vibrant and soulful eyes. His response is a quintessence of my search. Dr. Lewis said: “The tragic is that in the name of simple technique of relaxation and in the name of science, the American people and the people of all nations of the world are being sold a way of the occult which literally ask to remove and abandon himself from critical thinking, to give up conceptual though, science, history, doctrine, and Bible and live himself open to any influences which may come along. Literary, there is a possibility of demonic influence as Jesus warned many time and many scripture recorded. Loosing one’s intellectual and conceptual thinking and blowing one’s mind literally not on drugs but in meditation is a theory that reality is not conceptual but experienced with blank mind. God wants us to love him with whole heart, soul, strengths and mind”.

Our mind matters. To love God in spirit and in understanding.

Love to you all

[aroundthetable]

Good Day to everyone

Truthandintegrity, wow, that was a brilliant post, thank you very much...no really, very excellent insight and well written.

[greybeard]

Thanks Truth and Integrity for the post and good morning to aroundthetable and all here.

Yes the lower astral, which is ego in extreme "EDGE GOD OUT", denies the sovereignty of God.
The demonic hates souls making spiritual progress and feels threatened by the progress being made by souls on the journey back home.
It pervades the media with shock horror negativity to bring out the worst in humans.
The average child by the age of fifteen has watched countless thousands of murders on tv.
The video games are full of blood, violence. It actually trains our youngsters to be killers.
Its almost as though we are being sold the lie that it is normal to kill anything we disagree with or fear.
People who say we are not influenced by what we see repeatedly are deluded and naive.
Think of the millions spent on advertising. Manufactures do it because it vat ly increase the volume of sales.

I dont even like to post what I am posting just now regarding demonic lower astral.
However it has to be said. "Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing" unfortunately the lower astral is very clever and seductive, Most are completely unaware and therefore unable to distinguish truth from falsehood.

Making God unfashionable is dangerous in the extreme.

I hope for, pray for. Christ consciousness to be with us soon and I believe this is in progress.
The energy being released in our solar system and observed by scientists may well be part of this, let us hope so.

With Love
Chris
Ps a pint Beren? Your round, ginger beer for me.

[Frank Samuel]

A lot of people today are into quick fixes which are advertise all over the place. Majority of people are walking around with a void inside , not knowing why they are so unhappy. Some people turn to psychiatric help this is pretty normal for children who have emotional disorders. The success rate is extremely low for these types of treatments , if you ever get a chance to visit a psychiatric ward is a pretty scary place. So since we are so much into artificial quick fixes to fill the void, we missed the point altogether. It is very simple to find peace and happiness within your life. The heart has been found to contain emotional memories which shape our character and our moods . So while you look everywhere to find ways to fill the void , the problem is not related to your intellect at all , it is a problem related to the heart which in turn is how we fill the void by connecting to God and drawing the inner strength that give our lives peace, tranquility and everlasting happiness . Prayer , meditation, self reflection, walks in nature, quiet time for self reflection are indeed powerful tools that create a heart to heart connection to God .

[truthseekerdan]

Below is an excerpt that I felt compelled to post on this Thread:

That is the next level of spiritual awareness. Oh! My mother! All of a sudden you give up the ego, because you are not the only soul in the universe.

One of my questions to the light was, "What is heaven?"

I was given a tour of all the heavens that have been created: the Nirvanas, the Happy Hunting Grounds, all of them. I went through them. These are thought form creations that we have created. We don't really go to heaven; we are reprocessed. But whatever we created, we leave a part of ourselves there. It is real, but it is not all of the soul.

I saw the Christian heaven. We expect it to be a beautiful place, and you stand in front of the throne, worshipping forever. I tried it. It is boring! This is all we are going to do? It is childlike. I do not mean to offend anyone. Some heavens are very interesting, and some are very boring. I found the ancient ones to be more interesting, like the Native American ones, the Happy Hunting Grounds. The Egyptians have fantastic ones. It goes on and on. There are so many of them. In each of them there is a fractal that is your particular interpretation, unless you are part of the group soul that believes in only the God of a particular religion. Then you are very close, in the same ball park together. But even then, each is a little bit different. That is a part of yourself that you leave there. Death is about life, not about heaven.

I asked God, "What is the best religion on the planet? Which one is right?"

And Godhead said, with great love, "I don't care."

That was incredible grace. What that meant was that we are the caring beings here.

The Ultimate Godhead of all the stars tells us, "It does not matter what religion you are."

They come and they go, they change. Buddhism has not been here forever, Catholicism has not been here forever, and they are all about to become more enlightened. More light is coming into all systems now. There is going to be a reformation in spirituality that is going to be just as dramatic as the Protestant Reformation. There will be lots of people fighting about it, one religion against the next, believing that only they are right.

Everyone thinks they own God, the religions and philosophies, especially the religions, because they form big organizations around their philosophy. When Godhead said, "I don't care," I immediately understood that it is for us to care about. It is important, because we are the caring beings. It matters to us and that is where it is important. What you have is the energy equation in spirituality. Ultimate Godhead does not care if you are Protestant, Buddhist, or whatever. It is all a blooming facet of the whole. I wish that all religions would realize it and let each other be. It is not the end of each religion, but we are talking about the same God. Live and let live. Each has a different view. And it all adds up to the Big Picture; it is all important.

For the full read (recommended), visit this link:

http://www.near-death.com/experience...rnation04.html

I would like to credit also the thread on this forum that posted the above link:

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20352



~ Love & Light ~

Dan

[beren]

Making God unfashionable never works because everything that you can feel,smell,try,eat,touch,see and hear are made by him.

Therefore if you deny God, you deny yourself and reality around you.
Denial of God has almost ruined this planet.

In the form of liberalism and democracy ,politics and knowledge; people shook God from their lives and suffered badly.

That is like five year old kid suddenly say that its got no parents and that he or she can do all by him/her self.

What happens next?

The kid dies in the matter of hours or days.
Why can`t we realize that if God wished this second that ,say, take our atmosphere away because he removed laws and forces that our earth functions,we would perish instantly?

Why do people dare to be that stupid,evil and ignorant and claim vicious things about God and rest and in the very next second breathe the very air that God created and drink the coffee or tea or wine that is made from things in God`s Earth?


P.S.

If they make Guinness without alcohol ,you `re on Greybeard
I like the real stuff