Why making God unfashionable never works..

[aroundthetable]

commandments could be taken wrongly, sure is damn good advice though!

[beren]

Originally Posted by aroundthetable

commandments could be taken wrongly, sure is damn good advice though!

Yes, especially if given without love and caring spirit.
That`s why it`s written in Bible that we should `test every spirit` ,to see who is actually behind the words spoken .

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by aroundthetable

commandments could be taken wrongly, sure is damn good advice though!

I agree with what Bern has said re children.
I have never regretted being brought up in a Christian society and I guess this thread is partly about the erosion of moral values ie everything is ok do your own thing stuff.
What we have lost, is respect for our elders respect for our teachers, respect for the police.
Im not debating the rights or wrongs of it, but it seems to me that the politically correct movement has a lot to answer for.

im 64 and have seen a lot as people of my age have.
Much of it is good. Mobile phone/ internet will keep you in touch with people on the other side of the world.
However teachers are terrorized in their classes, I dont have a fixed view on the strap as used in my school days but it was used responsibly on the whole. Pupils accepted punishment when they erred.
A policeman would give you a slap if you were caught stealing apples, now he would be up for assault.
I could go out and play all hours without my parents being worried as long as I was home by a set time.
In short I knew exactly where I stood, what I could get away with, there was security in that. If I erred I knew I was responsible and had the maturity to accept whatever the consequences of my actions were.
I dident have to look for the car keys, they were in the ignition, where else would they be.
Locking house doors, why?
The conduct was set by Christian ethics.

If God becomes redundant ( not possible of course) sooner or later the human race will cease to exist.
Anyway thats my take on it.

Chris
ps thanks for popping by the ego thread aroundthetable.

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by greybeard

I agree with what Bern has said re children.
I have never regretted being brought up in a Christian society and I guess this thread is partly about the erosion of moral values ie everything is ok do your own thing stuff.
What we have lost, is respect for our elders respect for our teachers, respect for the police.
Im not debating the rights or wrongs of it, but it seems to me that the politically correct movement has a lot to answer for.

Since when were moral values exclusively Christian? They exist in all cultures. Also, why should organized religion dictate what people do, what they say and how they react? People are still free to worship their god. They're still free to speak. Are they not satisfied unless 95% of the rest of the country is following their god?

I have many questions for the moral values crowd and their claims of a politically-correct movement, etc.

While a majority of society is full of rude, childish people, there will always be a select few that stand out as kind, caring and honorable. Why does their religion matter so much?

As for respect for authority? Authority does not respect the people. Why should the people respect authority? I'm not going to respect cops, soldiers and teachers until they respect me. Their willingness to fight unjust wars and enforce unjust laws is a disrespect to people. Teachers that suppress the creativity of students are just as bad.

This isn't the 1950s anymore. People have gotten wiser over time.

[greybeard]

[QUOTE=Humble Janitor;240669]Since when were moral values exclusively Christian? They exist in all cultures. Also, why should organized religion dictate what people do, what they say and how they react? People are still free to worship their god. They're still free to speak. Are they not satisfied unless 95% of the rest of the country is following their god?

Oh Humble Janitor.
If you read my posts you will not see me say any where that that moral values are exclusively Christian. One teacher said its good to be brought up in a religion bad to die in one. I am not repeat of any religion but I had a Scottish upbringing which is open minded reguarding all religions and none. The society was Christian and the ub bringing reflected that. I would have been just as happy born in to any society which had values and respect for me.
Yes its not the 1950s I grew up in the swinging 60s sex drugs and rock and roll.
Wasent into drugs cept alchol. Played in a rock band. We had respect for parents each other etc. there was an amazing a,mount of freedom. Authority has taken that away,
I agree that now there is a lot in authority now that is not worrhy of respect.
So actually in many ways we are in agreement.
The trouble with wighting on a forum is that you can be judged on a few words, the context of where I am and where you are is quite different from a few words.
In essence Im saying respect is necessary to have a free world.

Regards Chris

[Humble Janitor]

[QUOTE=greybeard;240695]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

Since when were moral values exclusively Christian? They exist in all cultures. Also, why should organized religion dictate what people do, what they say and how they react? People are still free to worship their god. They're still free to speak. Are they not satisfied unless 95% of the rest of the country is following their god?

Oh Humble Janitor.
If you read my posts you will not see me say any where that that moral values are exclusively Christian. One teacher said its good to be brought up in a religion bad to die in one. I am not repeat of any religion but I had a Scottish upbringing which is open minded reguarding all religions and none. The society was Christian and the ub bringing reflected that. I would have been just as happy born in to any society which had values and respect for me.
Yes its not the 1950s I grew up in the swinging 60s sex drugs and rock and roll.
Wasent into drugs cept alchol. Played in a rock band. We had respect for parents each other etc. there was an amazing a,mount of freedom. Authority has taken that away,
I agree that now there is a lot in authority now that is not worrhy of respect.
So actually in many ways we are in agreement.
The trouble with wighting on a forum is that you can be judged on a few words, the context of where I am and where you are is quite different from a few words.
In essence Im saying respect is necessary to have a free world.

Regards Chris

Understood.

As for respect, I may not care for cops or soldiers but I will not openly disrespect my parents/elders.

Thank you for the clarification.

[beren]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

Since when were moral values exclusively Christian? They exist in all cultures. Also, why should organized religion dictate what people do, what they say and how they react? People are still free to worship their god. They're still free to speak. Are they not satisfied unless 95% of the rest of the country is following their god?

I have many questions for the moral values crowd and their claims of a politically-correct movement, etc.

While a majority of society is full of rude, childish people, there will always be a select few that stand out as kind, caring and honorable. Why does their religion matter so much?

As for respect for authority? Authority does not respect the people. Why should the people respect authority? I'm not going to respect cops, soldiers and teachers until they respect me. Their willingness to fight unjust wars and enforce unjust laws is a disrespect to people. Teachers that suppress the creativity of students are just as bad.

This isn't the 1950s anymore. People have gotten wiser over time.

Humble Janitor,

I understand you. But I think you tend as Ortohoxymoron too, to waste your energy on too many questions and opinions.
Looking like confused person. Now I do not mean anything bad by stating that ,just I feel you're like that.

Problem lies in programmed human brain. For example nothing is or could be branded as someone's particularly morality. Air we breathe ,food we eat and everything we use here on Earth is not ours. Unfortunately we think that is.
Man made religions and religious institutions and then selfishly stated that something is HIS...
I explained this before but I will repeat it again.
Christ - means deliverer, messiah, redeemer. It is not a last name of Jesus. It is a title.
A deliverer from darkness and evil.
Therefore whom ever wants to carry that term on his name , must be as Jesus. Must behave ,think and do things like Jesus did.
Well we are not perfect so we can not do 100% as him but as we try more , the more we will be holy as he was and is.
That means to be a Christian.

It has nothing to do with any religion on Earth. But see, they (religions and their masters) like to steal as their master is a thief, they like to steal from others and present it as their ownership. Catholics or Orthodox or Protestants ... What are they??? They called themselves Christian...but are they? Are they holy in their lives?
Do they deliver people from darkness and evil???
NO.
Most of them -no.

So using common sense ,one can see that they are masqueraded in "Christianity" ,but are in fact far away from it.

Why they do not call them selves Christians? Why they like and prefer to name them selves Catholics,Protestants,Adventists,Orthodox ,Jehovah Witnesses, Baptists,Nazarenes,Anglicans...........
Why not just Christians?

It is a heavy burden to carry if your heart is polluted.

Actually you can carry it and it is light as a feather if your heart and soul are clean, leaning on a right side , adopting light and truth and love from Christ and God and reflecting that light on others.

SO as a conclusion , morale actually IS Christian exclusively. The true Christians'.
Bible say that in the near future all will be Christians in the perfect meaning of the word.Christianity is not a religion. From every nation in the world , people will be gathered into one before God.

[greybeard]

Hi Beren
please correct me if I have failed to understand but I take it you are speaking of Christ Consciousness. The second coming not being Christ in form though thats not impossible but Christ within all of us.
If I have understood correctly I pray that you are right and the time is close at hand.
Not that my thoughts are of any consequence, The Will of God will occur regardless of my opinion.

Being a little light hearted.
The thought sprang to my mind
"We make plans and God laughs"
With love
Chris

[greybeard]

Well aroundthetable you certainly started a very interesting thread, I have certainly learned and gained much from it.
Thanks
Chris

[truthseekerdan]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Hi Beren
please correct me if I have failed to understand but I take it you are speaking of Christ Consciousness. The second coming not being Christ in form though thats not impossible but Christ within all of us.
If I have understood correctly I pray that you are right and the time is close at hand.
Not that my thoughts are of any consequence, The Will of God will occur regardless of my opinion.

Being a little light hearted.
The thought sprang to my mind
"We make plans and God laughs"
With love
Chris

Ditto that greybeard. Just lurking now...

[beren]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Hi Beren
please correct me if I have failed to understand but I take it you are speaking of Christ Consciousness. The second coming not being Christ in form though thats not impossible but Christ within all of us.
If I have understood correctly I pray that you are right and the time is close at hand.
Not that my thoughts are of any consequence, The Will of God will occur regardless of my opinion.

Being a little light hearted.
The thought sprang to my mind
"We make plans and God laughs"
With love
Chris

Well you can call it that way. Before God there are no nations or colors or creeds, there are only humans. And we are all born with conscience. Now when one draws closer to God and Christ ,he or she then develops Christ's conscience.

Now as conscience is real so is Christ. He is king over kings and Lord of Lords. There is no one higher than him ,save the Creator himself as his and our father.
Greybeard , I am joyful that universe has that king since he personally came , taught, done things for people. He actually showed his love towards us. And as Bible also state, even him being perfect son of God had to learn humility. Also do not forget that he even washed feet of his disciples in order to show them what love is.
Imagine that, Lord of Lords and King of Kings bowed down to few humans and did the work of a servant by washing their feet!
Simply amazing!
It shows us that we have to re learn our attitudes and really grasp what love is and means.


Regarding his return, just follow the prophecies written in Bible how they magnificently prove right , to the very letter they were written.

Imagine the fear religions feel from his return ,no wonder why they lie their followers about Creator, Christ and all connected . .. they enslaved billions , they carry the blood of innocents on themselves and still dare to call his name upon themselves?

Justice is coming swiftly .