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[orthodoxymoron]

I want to withdraw every day. This is all fun and exciting...in a way. But a lot of this is pretty grim stuff. I really wish these guys were just showing up... landing on the White House lawn...meeting with President Obama...holding a press conference...and then giving UFO rides to the general public. No abductions, no demonic manifestations, no horrible genetics experiments, no ancient Reptilian vs Human wars, no deception, etc, etc. In a sense...I feel like I'm fighting for my life...while making myself a target for who knows what?! Perhaps I'll withdraw too. Then we can call it a draw.

Namaste

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

... I really wish these guys were just showing up... landing on the White House lawn...meeting with President Obama...holding a press conference...and then giving UFO rides to the general public.

I feel very strongly that this will never, ever, happen. Not in a million years. And if it did ... if that actually happened, it would be a colossal mistake to take anything they said at face value.

The phenomena just isn't that simple. It won't fit into a science fiction movie plot. The secrecy, mystery, and deception is owned and operated by the phenomena itself. It has never shown any real desire to present itself honestly and openly. It has been going on for perhaps 1000s of years now in the same manner, I see no reason or indication that it will change how it operates.

If you are one of the unfortunates who are compelled to study this whole dodgey business I am afraid you are doomed (along with myself) to disappointment.

Everyone seems to think that "new" things are happening. It is not. Dr. Greer's contactee training, Disclosure Projects, Ashtar Command's channeled nonsense (google Van Tassel), Exopolitics, whistle-blower foo, etc., etc., etc. It is all old hat and retreaded information and antics from yester-year. None of it is new. None of it. Read up on he history of ufology. Research the contactees of the 50s and you'll see the incredible parallels with the present day participants. We are locked in some sort of information hell that cycles through the same nonesense in some sort of endless loop. Why bother? I don't know why anymore.

[orthodoxymoron]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

I feel very strongly that this will never, ever, happen. Not in a million years. And if it did ... if that actually happened, it would be a colossal mistake to take anything they said at face value.

The phenomena just isn't that simple. It won't fit into a science fiction movie plot. The secrecy, mystery, and deception is owned and operated by the phenomena itself. It has never shown any real desire to present itself honestly and openly. It has been going on for perhaps 1000s of years now in the same manner, I see no reason or indication that it will change how it operates.

If you are one of the unfortunates who are compelled to study this whole dodgey business I am afraid you are doomed (along with myself) to disappointment.

Everyone seems to think that "new" things are happening. It is not. Dr. Greer's contactee training, Disclosure Projects, Ashtar Command's channeled nonsense (google Van Tassel), Exopolitics, whistle-blower foo, etc., etc., etc. It is all old hat and retreaded information and antics from yester-year. None of it is new. None of it. Read up on he history of ufology. Research the contactees of the 50s and you'll see the incredible parallels with the present day participants. We are locked in some sort of information hell that cycles through the same nonesense in some sort of endless loop. Why bother? I don't know why anymore.

I would like to hear more about your point of view. I think you may be on to something. I went to a Whole Life Expo many years ago...and I was uncomfortable there. But I was also uncomfortable at church. So I stopped going to both. Then...I just listened to Art Bell...and took everything with a dozen saltshakers. I feel like I'm fighting all the time regarding theology and ufology. Something is very, very wrong. I still think Bill Cooper was truly on to something as well...but I know he wasn't perfect...and I am fully aware of John Lear's comments regarding Bill and 'UFO Disease' wherein things get exaggerated or even fabricated to keep the audiences interested. I'm not looking for peace and happiness in theology and ufology. I think both fields are quite disillusioning...but we still need to face reality...even if it hurts really bad. Once we truly face reality as a society...on an ongoing basis...we can then live in a stable and low-key manner...without all of the lies and hype. We won't be deleriously happy, or unreasonably fearful and angry. We won't be expecting Armageddons or Saviors. We'll just live. Plain and simple.

Namaste

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

I would like to hear more about your point of view.

Be careful what you ask for ...

G-Bus in a baby-cart! Just jettison Bill Cooper (proven liar) and John Lear with the rest of the space junk and break out of orbit for the love of Mike ... ur uh whatever. It should be obvious to the most casual observer (my alternative handle) that these guys were/are in a fever dream. Excuse me ...but if you heard it on Coast to Coast you have a 99.85 (rough estimate) probability of being B.S.ed. Oh the humanity, the humanity. (google Hindenburg) To gain some perspective on this whole issue you must extricate yourself from the cult of personality that surrounds these characters.

Ugghh. I must fortify myself with strong drink and watch LOST now to get some sort of alternative reality thing going.