Nag Hammadi

[Greetings]

Excellent reading. From my knowledge, and from the knowledge that i continue to attain, I have the greater feeling that our history has been taught falsely in "mainstream" ideas to us all.


We are waking up.

[ojibway]

Conflicting stories from the gods, the good god and the bad god. Or is it the other way around?

[Initiate]

Originally Posted by ojibway

Conflicting stories from the gods, the good god and the bad god. Or is it the other way around?

I don't see a conflict do you? Perhaps you might like to elaborate?

[ojibway]

Originally Posted by Initiate

I don't see a conflict do you? Perhaps you might like to elaborate?

If you read the book of truth you will see that the god in this book tells us that the god in the bible is not the god you think he is. He also tells us that what Moses has told us is not what actually took place in reality. The book of truth is told from the perspective of the serpent. So, the question is who is telling the truth, who is the good god and who is the bad god?

[Initiate]

Originally Posted by ojibway

If you read the book of truth you will see that the god in this book tells us that the god in the bible is not the god you think he is. He also tells us that what Moses has told us is not what actually took place in reality. The book of truth is told from the perspective of the serpent. So, the question is who is telling the truth, who is the good god and who is the bad god?

Dropping all reference to external sources, take time to stop and listen to what your heart is saying. I want to know what "You" personally think? My heart tells me that good and bad are concepts relative to our own ego. What may be bad for us may be good for another. It is a judgement we place on creation. Take the tsunami that occurred in Indonesia a few years back. 400,000 people died. For those 400,000 people and their families it was very bad. For the construction companies that had to rebuild the hotels business was booming. Should they feel bad because their gain was another’s loss? Or should we just take it that this is the path that is put before us and part of creation. Those who died suffered yes but life is about balance and their soul journeys on while their form withers on this plane. I am sure most of us alive today have suffered such loss through our soul journey.

If you take the situation of one person murdering another, the murderer will ultimately pay a karmic price through perhaps many lives of hardship and the murdered will perhaps have a life of abundance at some stage in its soul’s journey. My heart tells me this is the way the universe balances itself. In the moment these things seem bad but in the Now it is all part of the plan. The ultimate goal is to experience all aspects of creation until at some point we can look in the mirror and see ourselves resembling the creator and eventually become a creator.

[ojibway]

Originally Posted by Initiate

Dropping all reference to external sources

This is difficult concept, or perhaps an "impossible" concept is a more appropiate word. It is external sources that has formed our train of thought, it has become our foundation. And as you say what is good for some people is the result of bad that has happened to another. What we perceive as good and evil is a result of our foundation, but I do believe you are right and that this is our ego. Whether or not the ego manifests as benevolent or malevolent is a result of external sources. Alot of people say that they are filled with light and love, but is this just not the ego, manifested differently, but is it not still just the ego. I do not think we can escape the ego, it is always with us.

[Initiate]

Originally Posted by ojibway

This is difficult concept, or perhaps an "impossible" concept is a more appropiate word. It is external sources that has formed our train of thought, it has become our foundation. And as you say what is good for some people is the result of bad that has happened to another. What we perceive as good and evil is a result of our foundation, but I do believe you are right and that this is our ego. Whether or not the ego manifests as benevolent or malevolent is a result of external sources. Alot of people say that they are filled with light and love, but is this just not the ego, manifested differently, but is it not still just the ego. I do not think we can escape the ego, it is always with us.

You answered the question with your own reflection and It rings true. I agree that filling oneself with love and light and then using this to distinquish oneself from those that arn't filled with love and light is creating a distinction or a seperation from the rest of creation. We are creating a judgement that we cannot validate as we are not that which we are judging. Through respecting each individuals relationship (or lack of) with the creator as their own responsibility and not our own and the level of light shining inside us as a relationship to the degree of closeness or seperation we have with the creator then we do indeed see that we are all one in our individuality and that is what it is all about.

[ojibway]

Originally Posted by Initiate

You answered the question with your own reflection and It rings true.

The most difficult thing I have in accepting that the light of love within us is the answer is that it just does not feel right to be "the" answer. There is something going on with this planet, and it is at a planetary scale. Because of this intuition, this guiding, I cannot stop at having empathy for my fellow humans. It is going too take more than this to correct was has and is transpiring. This is indeed my reflection, but I am following my destiny. This is something that I can say for the first time, my destiny, not the destiny that society wants me to follow, my destiny. I am not at all certain what this destiny is, nor what it will entail, but as my gnosis increases so does my understanding. It is quite invigorating and at the same time despairing. I am not liking what I am finding out, but at the same time I...wonder.

[Initiate]

As I have begun to study the wisdom of kabbalah, more and more this wisdom seems to be that same wisdom inherent in the message that Jesus and his disciples attempted to deliver 2000 years ago. So much so that I searched for a link between them. I believe Jesus came to show us a true way to relate to the creator. Religion at the time sought to oppress and control. Religion at the time sought to get us to bribe the creator by doing certain things externally to "make things right". Kabbalah teaches that the Light from source is a constant. It shines equally on people who are like the creator and people who are not like the creator in their attributes. The quality of bestowal from the Creator is a constant never ending force on intention. If we want to change our relationship with the creator it is we who need to change our attitude and not the creator who changes it's attitude towards us.

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What kind of religious philosophy were Jesus and his disciples studying from 29 CE � 33 CE? They couldn't have been studying Christianity because The New Testament wasn't completed until 325 CE (almost 300 years after the crucifixion). They surely weren't studying Buddhism or Hinduism, so this leaves just one possibility � they must have been studying the timeless, ancient wisdom of Jewish mysticism known as Kabbalah (which was very popular in Israel during this time).

Jesus veiled many Kabbalistic truths when he spoke to the masses (Matthew 13:34). "All these things Jesus spoke unto the multitudes in parables; and without a parable he spake not unto them" (KJV). Especially, when Jesus referred to the innermost power of the soul, he spoke in metaphors. An example of such a metaphor, is when Jesus refers to the "God-within" or illuminated soul: "The Kingdom of Heaven is within you..." (Luke 17:20-21, KJV).

He also refers to "The Father in secret": "...pray to thy Father which is in secret..." (Matthew 6:18, KJV). This is another Kabbalistic reference to the eternal spark known as "neshamah" or the God-like quality of each individual soul.

When Jesus refers to himself as the "Son of Man" (Mark 10:45, KJV), he is using a Kabbalistic phrase that was also used by Ezekiel and Daniel in The Jewish Bible, "Son of man, speak to the children of thy people" (Ezek. 33:2, JPS), "there came with the clouds of heaven one like unto a son of man" (Dan. 7:13, JPS). In Kabbalah, the term "Son of Man" describes the soul's downward refection of the original man "created" on the sixth day (Gen. 1:27, JPS). This original man is known in Kabbalah as "The Adam Kadmon" (the first and last Adam).

Paul refers to Jesus as the "the last Adam": 1 Corinthians 15:45, "The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit" (KJV). This title of A-dam Kad-mon is defined as, "the one and only (or only begotten) 'Over Soul' of all humanity." According to Kabbalah,, the first Adam breaks apart (or is crucified) into trillions of "little souls". Each descending soul becomes a "Son of Man" that is striving to reach spiritual perfection. When these trillions of souls have achieved "messianic consciousness", they will reunite to form "the last Adam". This "resurrection" of the last Adam Kadmon will come at "the end of times", or the end of the physical Universe (that gave its life for the sake of all mankind; Einstein's Big Crunch). At this final stage in matter, all souls will experience an "ascension" back to pure Spirit, or the One Divine Source.

When examining the sayings of Jesus, it becomes apparent that he was familiar with the ancient wisdom teachings of Kabbalah and the messianic power of each individual soul. His intended message came straight from the heart of Kabbalistic philosophy: "the soul enters into this Universe by immaculate conception (as spirit falls into matter), and then exits when the Universe comes to an end (as matter ascends back into spirit)."

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[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by Initiate

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Thank you for that data. I honestly never thought about it before. Largely because I see much of Buddha's earlier teachings in Jesus' teachings. Not all, but much. The ability for people to travel was not as limited as one might imagine.

Jesus certainly did manage to plow Rome under, over time.

Is it not true that the Vedas are the oldest spiritual guidance texts commonly known?

Are there any earlier discovered spiritual texts?

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by ojibway

If you read the book of truth you will see that the god in this book tells us that the god in the bible is not the god you think he is. He also tells us that what Moses has told us is not what actually took place in reality. The book of truth is told from the perspective of the serpent. So, the question is who is telling the truth, who is the good god and who is the bad god?

Would it be a higher truth to know YOU are the good and sovereign god? And so is each one of us?

My personal quest is "how did I bring myself to this condition, this state of creation/mis-creation?" My quest is to rise and contact once again my highest attitude and once again know myself as Source/No Source, even further back -- before charged thought and charged polarities.

When I was simple and right, before I perceived the apparency of a problem or a wrong? Before I created more problems and more wrongs?

I can read endlessly and become quite enmeshed in constructs instead of in the Creator(s). Intellectualizing and hoping the intellect can ascend. What about the "me"?

I have a long history as a being and almost zero recollection above the surface. I have a cloud of negative charge (an actual mass) that I add to and carry with me from lifetime to lifetime, ready to activate. Like a virtual film archive, and when I glance over it it zaps me once again. Close that door, don't go there, it's too painful to stir up again. Must stir it up though to help me "survive", but keep it below the surface. It's the "Good Cop/Bad Cop" that runs me (I created it too, when my mere thoughts ruled).


This too is all "Construct" and I'm only three inches or so away from rising up out of it, like a cat pulling its head out of a paper bag. I only think I am in a trap. The attitude is the trap.

In my sessions there were times when I eagerly approached what seemed the Static, the nasis of my birth as an individuated being. Only to find that it was a faux birthing set up by a GameLord, or the Hyperversals, another strategy I played on myself and others.

But I am taking first steps to come out of the jungle of energized constructs, and the air and light does get finer and finer. There is a sweet meadow above all this, and it is once again there for me because I determined to go beyond my intellect and logic and the ever-created below-the-surface mind barriers.

When that day comes I can once again unlock my primal polarities, change my Thought(s), change my creations, AND as a wiser one.

It is the same for all of us because I have given two others sessions who were arrived at that pre-individuation state in their history as a being.

Intellect cannot encompass it totally, but can attempt to translate, but only for the purpose of motivating others to take the same journey, beyond the intellect.

Thus, I write with the same urge as the ones who went before me wrote about it

May the highest truth be your truth, and when you get there please come back and string up some beacon lights

sincerely,
Gnosis

[ojibway]

I understand what you are saying, but you are concentrating on one thing at the peril of another.

The Art Of War

It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.

There is a war going on, and it is taking place inside of you. By focusing on only the positive you are ignoring the negative, and the negative is always there, attacking, trying to stop you. Gnosis(knowledge) is the key ingredient to ascension. But this is something that you must choose to acquire, it cannot be dropped in your lap, you will not understand its meaning if it is obtained in this manner. So we must try and understand the forces that are behind negativity, we must learn about the enemy. When you do this, you will make a great leap forward, because you will understand yourself, and you will regain some control. There are dark forces at work on this planet, forces that feed from the negative energy that we produce. We are their source of food, and they do not want us to be freed from this cycle. They want us to willingly choose to be their food source. They cannot take away your freewill, but they can manipulate it so that you will make bad choices, even though you think these choices are good choices. But if these choices stop you from knowing the truth, then their will has been imposed over your freewill, and they will win everytime. Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer.

[Initiate]

Originally Posted by ojibway

By focusing on only the positive you are ignoring the negative, and the negative is always there, attacking, trying to stop you. Gnosis(knowledge) is the key ingredient to ascension.

Who decides what is positive and negative? These are perspectives relative to the EGO. From this perspective it is seen that the creators perspective is that there is only good. It is the EGO that decides it to be positive or negative as to what is in it for me. When the "I" individual can perceive the thought of the creator behind a given situation and see that it is a pathway in its return to source then it can transend the EGO and make itself like the creator in its choices. That is, either we are taught by the school of hard knocks or we are taught by the creator by direct intention to learn from every experience we are given regardless of the perception of it being good or bad for us at the time. This is how we can progress in one life time and avoid repeating this grade through successive incarnations.

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by Initiate

Who decides what is positive and negative? These are perspectives relative to the EGO. From this perspective it is seen that the creators perspective is that there is only good. It is the EGO that decides it to be positive or negative as to what is in it for me. When the "I" individual can perceive the thought of the creator behind a given situation and see that it is a pathway in its return to source then it can transend the EGO and make itself like the creator in its choices. That is, either we are taught by the school of hard knocks or we are taught by the creator by direct intention to learn from every experience we are given regardless of the perception of it being good or bad for us at the time. This is how we can progress in one life time and avoid repeating this grade through successive incarnations.

I see you are stating a higher truth, from the viewpoint of zero fixed polarities. That is one part.

I see Ojibway is stating some apparent and practical truths, and from the perspective that beings do tend to fix on either the positive or negative side of a goal or polarity. That is another part.

There can be a game of saying who has the highest truths, or feelings of discomfort with another level of truth. Everyone is "right" in whatever parts or wholes they perceive.

One of my favorite mantras is from an attitude of faith: all things work together for good. Loosely translated. Please don't tear apart the meanings of each word, thank you :-)

[Initiate]

Originally Posted by Gnosis5

Please don't tear apart the meanings of each word, thank you :-)

I would hope that I haven't been tearing apart words. If I have please forgive me. My intention is just to note thoughts that come about from this discussion and I see this as a united attempt at realising all-that-is. The fundemental distinctions here are the Gnostic teaching from the controlling religious perspective. I think we all percieve this distinction and the flaw in puting all our trust and faith in an enitity that is anything other than all-that-is. Whilst these paths may lead us higher they may also lead us down a dead end ally way. Our goal is to find our way back to all-that-is. It is our free will to decide what path we take to get there and how long it takes. I have made a choice to build a one on one relationship with the creator and these understandings have presented themselves. I may be way off base but I trust that this is the path of learning I have been given. Any path that leads me off target can induce a potential corrrection to lead me back to the target. All that is needed is the intention.

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by Initiate

I would hope that I haven't been tearing apart words. If I have please forgive me. My intention is just to note thoughts that come about from this discussion and I see this as a united attempt at realising all-that-is. The fundemental distinctions here are the Gnostic teaching from the controlling religious perspective. I think we all percieve this distinction and the flaw in puting all our trust and faith in an enitity that is anything other than all-that-is. Whilst these paths may lead us higher they may also lead us down a dead end ally way. Our goal is to find our way back to all-that-is. It is our free will to decide what path we take to get there and how long it takes. I have made a choice to build a one on one relationship with the creator and these understandings have presented themselves. I may be way off base but I trust that this is the path of learning I have been given. Any path that leads me off target can induce a potential corrrection to lead me back to the target. All that is needed is the intention.

I am curious, how do you go about building a one-on-one relationship with the creator? Specifically, in your everyday goings on, how do you do that?

best,
Gnosis

[Initiate]

Originally Posted by Gnosis5

I am curious, how do you go about building a one-on-one relationship with the creator? Specifically, in your everyday goings on, how do you do that?

best,
Gnosis

I said to the creator in Prayer:

Dear Father,

The only way that I can truely make an informed descision and make the correct choices that are in allignment with your will is to know you as a friend. To close the gap of seperation by redemption of what I can immediately perceive that needs correction and to then be guided by you towards this level of communication. I must never stop talking to you because when I look back over my life I can see that you have never stopped talking to me and guiding me. It is just I wasn't always paying attention. Now I choose to pay attention and move back into closeness with you.

Amen

Then things just happen. I get a random email that steers me on one path of knowledge from someone I don't know. I get a book given to me to read called "The Shack" ISBN-10 0-9647292-3-7 the day after I ask the question "How can you as the conductor of all that is allow people to do bad things like blow them selves up and kill others?" The book is fiction but explores where God is in a world of Pain.

This has happened for some time now. When I ask I receive. When I go looking I find. I am very thankful.

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by Initiate

I said to the creator in Prayer:

Dear Father,

The only way that I can truely make an informed descision and make the correct choices that are in allignment with your will is to know you as a friend. To close the gap of seperation by redemption of what I can immediately perceive that needs correction and to then be guided by you towards this level of communication. I must never stop talking to you because when I look back over my life I can see that you have never stopped talking to me and guiding me. It is just I wasn't always paying attention. Now I choose to pay attention and move back into closeness with you.

Amen

Then things just happen. I get a random email that steers me on one path of knowledge from someone I don't know. I get a book given to me to read called "The Shack" ISBN-10 0-9647292-3-7 the day after I ask the question "How can you as the conductor of all that is allow people to do bad things like blow them selves up and kill others?" The book is fiction but explores where God is in a world of Pain.

This has happened for some time now. When I ask I receive. When I go looking I find. I am very thankful.

Thank you, and I will follow your example tonight :-) Myself, I would feel safer saying "Dear All-that-is", or Dear "Higher Self". Also, the "...I must never stop talking to you..." I would change to a positive statement, remove the "must never".

I have a backoff on saying "Amen" too. I'd probably say, "It is said and it is done" or some english language positive affirmation. The universe seems to be quite legalistic when it comes to what words are used, and has its own rules.

Then, as you do, I would remain watchful and mindful, knowing the communication was received.

Also, I am training myself not to use the "Why?" word, although I will ask for clarification.

I love the simplicity and heartfulness of your prayer, thank you for sharing.

peace,
Gnosis

[Initiate]

I've thought about the use of Father / Mother and He/She etc a lot. I reason that if we take it that the Mother is the creation itself and the Father is the intention behind the creation and that coupled with the statement "In the Beginning there was the Word." To speak a word is to form an intent. So therefore Father God is the source of all that is. Mother God is to be respected just as any other part of creation should be respected as no part of creation is above any other part of creation. Many disciplines have labeled the intention behind the creation as the Father. It is that which I address and mean no disrepect to the Creation herself. I usually finish with "Thank you". "Amen" is an old habit. I was trying to share the heart of the message and translate what I was communicating from the heart.

"Think with your Heart". "Feel with your mind"

[Gnosis5]

No, no, no, that did not bother me at all. What I had a personal concern about is that the 4D is fairly tricky and there might be all kinds of "Fathers", so that is why I say "All the is", and I do have a tendency to be too microscopic, and this may be one of those occasions :-)

peace,
Gnosis

[Initiate]

The Tree of Life. From all that is came the creation. As above so below.

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by ojibway

I understand what you are saying, but you are concentrating on one thing at the peril of another.

The Art Of War

It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.

There is a war going on, and it is taking place inside of you. By focusing on only the positive you are ignoring the negative, and the negative is always there, attacking, trying to stop you. Gnosis(knowledge) is the key ingredient to ascension. But this is something that you must choose to acquire, it cannot be dropped in your lap, you will not understand its meaning if it is obtained in this manner. So we must try and understand the forces that are behind negativity, we must learn about the enemy. When you do this, you will make a great leap forward, because you will understand yourself, and you will regain some control. There are dark forces at work on this planet, forces that feed from the negative energy that we produce. We are their source of food, and they do not want us to be freed from this cycle. They want us to willingly choose to be their food source. They cannot take away your freewill, but they can manipulate it so that you will make bad choices, even though you think these choices are good choices. But if these choices stop you from knowing the truth, then their will has been imposed over your freewill, and they will win everytime. Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer.

Thank you for adding that further dimension to previous posts. At first, yes, it is all about what you said -- it all comes up in examining my own history of adventures as a being in this universe.

Further and further back I push and pull out the truths behind the scenes and all outer enemies start to fade away until the final "enemy" is the things I did to myself, all other enemies and problems being apparencies, part of the "Game". When one can finally "own" the "Game", one has more choices.

But, you are being practical and pragmatic and I wrote a thread about my encounters with some of the good cops/bad cops: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...hlight=Nannies

However, if the driving goal becomes centered around dealing with them then more electromagnetic and gravitic mass one binds to oneself. Laws of the universe rule here.

The best strategy I found for the good cops/bad cops when they impinge on my space is to simply process them from the viewpoint of the All-that-is and help them run off their likewise abberrated identities, assuming they suffer from the same basic affliction I do -- being unwitting pawns in a game they long ago forgot that they themselves designed with limited forethought.

I hardly need to read the whole book about them, just be able to locate them and establish two-way communication. However I do marvel at times at their ingenuity of complexity. Some are very very sophisticated in their utter complexity. I don't know how they themselves keep track of it all?!?

They run into the problem of being the snake that accidentally starts to swallow its own tail, eating itself instead :-)

Yes, I am starting to become a bit more lighthearted as I free myself from the attitude of being trapped by them. Inch by inch...

[Initiate]

this song takes on greater meaning:

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by Initiate

this song takes on greater meaning:

So, THAT'S what they did to bad actors in those days!!

[ojibway]

Humour is the best medicine, despite the seriousness of the situation.
We do not own the game yet, but some of us are reading the rules this time around, before we go completely around the board.
You could say we have not passed "go", because we are stuck in jail. This puts us half-way, in the half-way house.
Yes, they are very sophisticated, and very technologically advanced, but despite these advancements, they have something against them, and that is ignorance.
They are not smarter than us, but they think they are, and this arrogance of ignorance causes them to eat their own tail.

But as we know, this has been foretold.