Poor Gary Mckinnon

[anonypony]

Originally Posted by murnut

Just curious.

Did this guy do anything wrong in the eyes of Hacking supporters?
Proxy server trail leads FBI to Palin email hacker....

So...this guy was looking for dirt on Palin.
Since she is an evil Republican, this is okay....right?
What if it was Barrack who was hacked?
What if it was you?
What if it was Project Camelot?
Many will say that Project camelot was hacked many times.
This could be true.
So do we really want to validate this, by saying that since the PtB did it first, we are okay it retaliating?
Do we fight evil with evil?

Interesting case...

Do you think David Kernell, the son of Democratic Tennessee representative Mike Kernell,
will get 70 years in gail for what you suggest is 'looking for dirt on an evil Republican'?

Do you see Gary's escapade as 'looking for dirt on an evil PTB'?

Is looking into the private life of a public servant, the same, as looking for
suppressed truth - the actions of those who rule without a mandate?

Does it matter if the door was open?
Does it matter if you just look around?
Does it matter if you steal the information (property) that you find?
Does it matter if you alter the information (property) in it's original location?
Does it matter if you damage the information (property)? or to what extent?
Does it matter who’s door it was? or what the information was?
Does it matter who you are? and who your father is?

What would be a proportionate punishment?

[murnut]

I' ll answer your questions....just as soon as you answer mine

Fair enough?

[anonypony]

Originally Posted by murnut

I' ll answer your questions....just as soon as you answer mine
Fair enough?

I did not direct the questions at you and to be fair I don't recall you ever answering any of mine in the past.

But since you asked I will state this:

I think it is stupid to do anything, which involves breaking the law!
There are always creative ways to get to the truth without breaking the law!

However in the event that someone has been guided or misguided to do so,
and they have admitted to it (or partially have)
and have publicly admitted that what they have done was wrong,
I would like to see them judged PROPORTIONATELY AND FAIRLY!

I wish someone will judicially review the UK government in the high court for their decision to engage in a non reciprocal extradition treaty and especially their agreement to wave off any need for EVIDENCE before shipping their citizens off to a country that practice torture, trauma based mind control, radiation experiments... Shell I go on?

[murnut]

Oh....I thought since you quoted me, you were responding.

I always try to answer questions posed to me.

I don't know enough about extradition law, in the UK.

It would seem that since he has had 3 hearings on the matter, and lost them, I see no violations of his rights.

I will quote your other post and respond

[murnut]

Originally Posted by anonypony

before shipping their citizens off to a country that practice torture, trauma based mind control, radiation experiments... Shell I go on?

What's your point?

You really think that the Brits are innocent of these as well?

Do you really believe that this fate awaits Gary?

[murnut]

Originally Posted by anonypony

Interesting case...

Do you think David Kernell, the son of Democratic Tennessee representative Mike Kernell,
will get 70 years in gail for what you suggest is 'looking for dirt on an evil Republican'?

Do you see Gary's escapade as 'looking for dirt on an evil PTB'?

Is looking into the private life of a public servant, the same, as looking for
suppressed truth - the actions of those who rule without a mandate?

Does it matter if the door was open?
Does it matter if you just look around?
Does it matter if you steal the information (property) that you find?
Does it matter if you alter the information (property) in it's original location?
Does it matter if you damage the information (property)? or to what extent?
Does it matter who’s door it was? or what the information was?
Does it matter who you are? and who your father is?

What would be a proportionate punishment?

Do you think David Kernell, the son of Democratic Tennessee representative Mike Kernell,
will get 70 years in gail for what you suggest is 'looking for dirt on an evil Republican'?

No, and neither will Gary


Do you see Gary's escapade as 'looking for dirt on an evil PTB'?

No, I believe he was doing what he said he was doing

Is looking into the private life of a public servant, the same, as looking for
suppressed truth - the actions of those who rule without a mandate?


Breaking into someones private email account is wrong.

Does it matter if the door was open?

No

Does it matter if you just look around?

No

Does it matter if you steal the information (property) that you find?

No, but penalty should be more severe

Does it matter if you alter the information (property) in it's original location?

No but penalty should increase


Does it matter if you damage the information (property)? or to what extent?

Increased penalty

Does it matter who’s door it was? or what the information was?
Does it matter who you are? and who your father is?


No

What would be a proportionate punishment?

That is not for me to decide

[anonypony]

Do you think David Kernell, the son of Democratic Tennessee representative Mike Kernell, will get 70 years in jail for what you suggest is 'looking for dirt on an evil Republican'?

No, and neither will Gary

I wonder how you can say this with such confidence? Do you have inside information?
It is not what the persecutors PROMISSED Gary - that is for sure!
Otherwise why would they make such a concerted effort to eliminate the evidence?
Saying 'neither will Gary', is also saying a UK QC (queens Counsel) was LYING to the house of Lords in his evidence of what was PROMISSED to Gary?

No, I believe he was doing what he said he was doing

Does that include Gary's many statements that he never did any damage?

[murnut]

Because no hacker has even gotten anything beyond 10 years....99% are under 5 years.

How would Gary know if he caused damage or not?

What about the damage you are said to have caused?
McKinnon: What they call damage is really just them realizing that they have been accessed without authorization. Then they say things like I deleted 300 users, deleted systems files and such. That was one instance when I did a batch file to clean up all my stuff--I think once and only once, though perhaps I ran it on the root drive of the "c:" drive. But it certainly wasn't every machine I was on and, if you believe them, they talk about 94 networks being damaged.

http://news.cnet.com/Gary-McKinnon-S...3-5786782.html
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McKinnon unearthed unprotected computer systems operated by the US army, the navy, the Pentagon and Nasa. On every system he hacked, he left messages. 'It was frightening because they had little or no security,' he said. 'I was always leaving messages on the desktop saying, "your security is really crap".'

One message has come back to haunt him. 'I said US foreign policy was akin to government-sponsored terrorism and I believed 9/11 was an inside job. It was a political diatribe,' he admitted.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008...lcrime.hacking
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[anonypony]

Back to Zorgon's earlier post...
I gave the following somethought

Look... the internet WE use was designed by DARPA and then given to the public because they had something BETTER... there is NO WAY to access the Secret stuff from the regular internet... ONLY if some idiot took some work 'home' with him and stored it on a PC at work would you find anything... and you can bet THAT person is in Gitmo And that would be an internal matter... you would NEVER see it on the news...

The OTHER nets are...

NIPRNET... for below top secret but sensitive and confidential traffic
SIPRNET... for secret

We are being told by the prosecution where they claim he has been, which includes Nasa, the Army and the Navy among others. I assume some within those, are using the internet or using the internet as well as the other secure networks. Maybe both from the same machines. Which would explain how Gary might have hopped from one network to another and eventually stumbled on what he claims to have seen.

Here is someone else deliberating this and other issues

http://ufo-evidence.com/

Gary McKinnon Loses European Appeal

No big surprise that Gary McKinnon has lost his appeal to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, which has refused to hear the appeal.

Articles covering this have McKinnon listed as a, “Computer Expert” which is a term he vehemently rejects, describing himself more as a stoner come truth-seeker.

Surely this description is more damaging to the public perception of the US military and NASA whom have apparently allowed a stoner with a Perl script access to their most frequently denied secret, i.e. prior knowledge to/and first hand experience of the UFO/ETH phenomenon.

Perhaps the UFO was an ‘elaboration’ by McKinnon?

Personally I struggle to see the rationale involved if that was the case as surely the last thing Gary needs is people (often on) the fringe of the UFO community lobbying for his freedom. All of which makes it quite a strange case in itself, add to that the refusal of the US to allow Gary to be tried in the UK (which let’s face it for all intents & purposes was where the crime was committed) and I can’t help but wonder why the US haven’t swept this under the carpet rather than allow it to drag out and turn into the media circus that it is inevitably becoming.

Surely regardless of what punishment the US judge deems fit to bestow it can only be unwanted publicity further highlighting the weakness of the computer systems and the amateurish personnel charged with defending some of the countries most delicate secrets (UFO/ETH related or not).

I believe there is a little more going on than is immediately apparent but I’m hesitant to state my opinion at this juncture other than to reiterate my puzzlement at how the US is allowing itself to be publicly perceived as little more than petty bureaucrats intent on proving a point. And in doing so is instilling/reinforcing distrust in an already apprehensive public regarding their general modus operandi as it relates to handling secret information, and it’s an MO that ultimately exposes their massive negligence and incompetence as it directly relates to locking even the simplest ‘backdoor’ into their highly sensitive network.