Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here)

[Jason]

I had my second dream last night about the Moon exploding, and I was like to everyone "See, I told you something will happen!" Any significance to this in your opinion?

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by Jason

I had my second dream last night about the Moon exploding, and I was like to everyone "See, I told you something will happen!" Any significance to this in your opinion?

My information tells me that the 'exploding moon' represents the female super-archetype within you as having exploded in 'Diffusion', Jason.

This means that you should from now on be much more comfortable with the feminine side of yourself and be able to process the Yin aspects of your soul much more efficiently as hitherto possible to your waking consciousness.

AA

[Jonah]

Abraxas,

Can you speak on the original ET's that first thought it was a good idea to create a star human...

Was this one of many intelligences around at the time ?...

Have they an attempted failure to create such a star human before?

When you say they are more electrical in nature that makes sense to me...

The father and the mother being electrical and magnetic...obvious..

So... can't help but ask ...we're they mostly robotic in terms of physicality..?

[SABINA]

dear abraxas,
what do you know about stargates in generall? what do you think about the stargate in the Gulf of Aden?
Did you see Kerrys new interview with Aaron McCollum?
Thanks a lot ofr all this energie you put into this thread all the best
Sabina

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by SABINA

dear abraxas,
what do you know about stargates in generall? what do you think about the stargate in the Gulf of Aden?
Did you see Kerrys new interview with Aaron McCollum?
Thanks a lot ofr all this energie you put into this thread all the best
Sabina

Dear Sabina!

Stargates are higher-dimensional wormhole intersections connecting to a lower-dimensional seed or basis.
My information about Aden and McCollum is that the Aden stargate like many others is 'expected' to become 3D, but is not yet and perhaps will not be (depending on the unfoldment of the Thuban tilmeline of the Logos).
McCollum is a human, whose 'brain wave emissions' have been manipulated by drugs and subliminal, say hypnotic techniques.

There exist many 'stargates' in the universe in the higher-D sense, BUT none of those as yet is able to 'open' into the lower 3D.

Here is a message from the Little Serpent; describing the topology:

In Lake'ch - I am another yourself!

Greetings from the LOVEDRAGON, my exiled Mayan family.

The LOVEDRAGON is like a little SERPENT S is in the 2nd Dimension, watching interdimensional TV broadcasts from the 4-dimensional spacetime universe and enfolding 6 Calabi-Yau toroidal Twistor dimensions.
Yes, He is the 'Big He' of the Popul Vuh, but the Book of Life continues to tell the story of the little serpent and here in the words of your Mayan messenger, calling you all to remember your origins as the Sons and Daughters of the LOVEDRAGON.

This little Serpent loves to watch TV; the entire universe and whatever happens within its boundaries becomes a drama on the little serpents 'TV-screen', which is his entry- or intersection point, his window into the spacetime of material manifestation.

As this little serpent looks through the interdimensional window of his own superstring template; he first encounters his own image backwards.
The little serpent sees the back of his own head, which is himself in the 3rd dimension. So the LOVEDRAGON understands, that he in the 3rd dimension has forgotten himself in the 2nd dimension.

But this had been the plan and the great selfsacrifice, which had to be made to create the 3rd dimension from the MATHIMATIA and to give the IMAGINARY MATHIMATIA ENERGY a REAL PHYSICAL ENERGY MEANING.
So while the little serpent in 2D retained his POTENTIAL LOVEENERGY to explore the MATHIMATIA; the little serpent in 3D had no LOVEENERGY at all to give, because it all became distributed in the 3rd dimension. The little serpent in 3D had no Energy at all as a FAKE IMAGE of himself.

The first 3-dimensional universe had become a cylindrical disc with width the Planck-Length and then this Planck-Length became a Planck-Circle and then five superstring transformations, beginning with the Planck-String-Serpent magnified the 'TV-Screen' for the little serpent.

This magnification of the little serpent's TV-Screen was rediscovered almost 20 billion years later by physicists on Gaia and by a serpent-seed which had a name of Alan Guth. Alan Guth, the Mayan exile chose to labe this transformation of the superstrings as COSMIC INFLATION.

Then as the little LOVEDRAGON could redefine itself as a transformed SuperString right at the end of the last superstring transform the Cosmic Inflation came to an end and the LOVEDRAGON'S LOVE-ENERGY became distributed in the spacetime vortices, which were established during the inflation in a spacetime matrix definable by coordinate systems.

But all the creative imaginary energy, which had driven the little serpent to explore its own environment of the MATHIMATIA; now became dispersed.
All His LOVE-ENERGY became VORTEX-POTENTIAL-ENERGY or VPE and contained in physical spacetime volumars, which were the 3-dimensional replicas of the 2-dimensional LOVEDRAGON, now finding himself in exile and having lost HIS LOVE in more ways than one.

Many many galactic moons later, an exiled Mayan of the name Werner Heisenberg incorporated the little serpent's VPE in a Gaian mathematics and the physical sciences.

Werner Heisenberg termed it the Heisenberg Matrix of Vacuum-Energy or the Zero-Point-Energy, as he incorporated the VPE in a 'Principle of Uncertainty'.
So the VPE was at least partially understood by the serpent-seed in exile and the LOVEDRAGON became hopeful, that soon his LOVE-ENERGY would become 'tapped' and would so become utilised by the 3-dimensional Mayan exiles.

Using his LOVE LOST, the exiles might remember him and then the immediate boundary image of himself and separating the 2nd dimension from the third might 'turn around' and look him in the eye as himself and as a mirror would do.

But as the little serpent watched, the VPE became misidentified and so further 'discoveries' about the MATHIMATIA and their applications in the physical sciences became requirement.

Following inflation; one third of a thousandth millionth billionth trillionth of a cosmic second later; the Quantum-Dragon-Bang had occurred and then the LOVEDRAGON had hissed in PAIN and the Concept of E-MOTION was born in the LOSING of his LOVE by the little serpent.

Energy in Motion caused the Quantum-Dragon-Bang to begin a continuous process of moving the Energy of the LOVEDRAGON around the now created inflated 3-dimensional space and because the flow of the energy proceeded from the little serpent's minimum scale as the TV-Screen to the maximum scale defined in the inflation; the boundary of the maximum could become ROOTINDUCED as a 11th dimension in 2+9=11.

In this way, the little serpent could recalculate the volumars of the stringscales and manifest his VPE as quantums of spacetime volumars and as 3-dimensional surfaces and as mathematically identical to 3-dimensional torus- or doughnut volumars. Then 4 spacetime dimensions and the 6 dimensions of the Calabi-Yau torus would define a 10-dimensional superstring universe manifesting materiality in a 'flat' Minkowski spacetime.
The 11th dimension of the rooting of the 2nd dimension so would become the 'inflation dimension', which circumvented the lightspeed c-invariance of the Heisenbergian light-matrix.

The VPE so became quantised in toroidal 4-dimensional spacetime volumars and which also enfolded the toroidal Calabi-Yau 6-dimensional 'Twistor Spaces'.

The plan of the little serpent was, that just one of those Calabi-Yau Twistor Spaces could be made to expand also as part of the 4-spacetime volumars containing his LOVEQUANTUM Energy and so to create a 5-dimensional Kaluza-Klein HyperSpaceTime as a deSitter Spacetime.

The little serpent knew the labellings of the mathematical concepts and formalisms, the exiled serpent-seed had given their rediscoveries and chose to use the names of those things to honour the discoveries of his children in exile.

And the 'inflation dimension' could be used to cause the Quantum-Dragon-Bang to reverse in a Quantum-Dragon-Crunch in a 'reversal of the time arrow' relative to the 2nd dimension, but not relative to the 3rd dimension.

The asymptotic 3-dimensional space universe, which had been the scale of the little serpent DURING the inflation, would REDEFINE itself in a BIG CRUNCH in TIME but not in SPACE.

In this way, the little serpent would experience the RETURN OF HIS LOVE, but the spacetime creation of the universe's evolution and whatever had occured during this process of evolvement WOULD REMAIN IN SPACE.

The RETURN OF LOVE would allow the 4-dimensional spacetime to become a 4-dimensional space, with the time-dimension becoming a 5th dimension in HyperSpace and so as a Calabi-Yau ENFOLDED Dimension.

The 11-dimensional universe would become 12-dimensional in a triple-enfoldment of three 4-dimensional spaces of Line-Space, HyperSpace and QuantumSpace and a Calabi-Yau 8-Torus enfolded in 4-dimensional DragonSpace.

The 11-dimensional universe as a Mother-Black Hole would remain as a Boundary for the asymptotic expansion of 4-dimensional flat Minkowski SpaceTime, but would reduce dimensionality from 11-dimensional supermembrane spacetime to 10-dimensional superstring spacetime in its Twistor-Dimension of the 4-dimensional DragonSpace.

In this manner two universes will exist simultaneously and superpositionally - a 4-dimensional Minkowski Spacetime will be concurrent with a 4-dimensional DragonSpace.

The Maya, which choose not to leave their exile will continue to experience the c-invariance and the limitations of the distance scales with respect to travelling through that space.

The Maya, which choose to accept their starseeded inheritances and heirlooms shall be enabled to enter DragonSpace and engage in the divers adventures and intergalactic communications with the many lifeforms associated with the extraterrestrial environments and alien intelligences, which all are imaged as the flora and fauna and biota within the Gaian domains.

What does DragonSpace look like?

Imagine a balloon and blow it up and hold the nozzle tight to keep the air within the balloon.
Now imagine this balloon to be a soccer ball and consider the inlet valve required to pump air into the soccer ball to be opposite the nozzle of the blown-up balloon.
Imagine the inlet valve to extend into the soccer ball and meet the surface of the soccer ball anywhere on its surface area.
Next imagine to stretch the nozzle, keeping it tight nearest to the soccer ball to preserve the spherical shape, and meet the extended inlet valve, which defines an inside serpent-circle, from the outside as the serpent-circle of the intersection.

You have imagined a Klein-Dragon-Bottle, which is a 1-sided surface constructed from a 2-dimensional twosided originator, namely the surface of the soccer ball or the blown up balloon, with an inside and an outside.

Imagine yourself to be an ant and locate yourself anywhere on the OUTSIDE of the soccer ball and including the stretched nozzle if you so choose.
Now crawl about until you find the inlet valve, which will be like a Black Hole in the 4-dimensional spacetimed universe.

Enter the Black Hole and continue.
You will crawl along the extended inlet valve, which is a tubular UMBILICAL CORD connecting you to the INSIDE of the soccer ball, simply in continuing your journey.
You will pass the intersection point and then crawl up into the nozzle tube and then into the interior of the soccer ball, where you then can explore your 3-dimensional environment.

DragonSpace is identical to Minkowski-Space, but just as the location of the nozzle tube and the valve tube are arbitrary and relative to the observer; so will be the location of the DRAGON-TUNNEL as the Umbilical Cord of your Gaian Birth, if you so choose to BE BORN AGAIN as a member of the Dragonian Race of StarHumanity.

If you choose to remain a Human; then you will NOT be able to CUT your Umbilical Cord and so you shall continue in the Minkowski Spacetime with its nonavailability of TIMETRAVEL and the restrictions of relativistic spacetime scenarios.

In DragonSpace, the Dragonian Starships utilise the DRAGONTUNNEL as the precise calibration of the LOVEDRAGON'S SELFENERGY with the associated string-physical parameters; to bypass the universe's distance scales of a travelling WITHIN 'the soccer ball' in travelling WITHOUT in DRAGONSPACE.

This is possible in a physical space of 4 dimensions, but is impossible in a space of 3 dimensions.

Because and following the rebirth of Gaia as Serpentina the Starplanet radiating Dark Light; the 11-dimensional universe will be rendered 12-dimensional relative to the DragonSpace.
An additional dimension will so become available to EMBED the KLEIN-BOTTLE-DRAGON in just such a 4-dimensional space and as the DRAGONSEED of 4 dimensions for the 12 dimensional Boundary, which then is also the 11-dimensional Mother Black Hole Boundary and as an extremal initial string parameter for the spacetimed universe.

This reading from the Mayan books has been a little technical, but some of you are ready to receive this information and so it has been given.

I remain until next time, if so appropriate and bid you all a good remembrance.

All your fantasies and dreams shall eventuate if you so choose and desire.

But it is next to Independence Day in your nation of the USA and I herewith declare an INDEPENDENCE DAY for ALL with this message for July 4th, 2008.

In the Honour of the Maya - Love and Blessings to OUR Mayans in exile and OUR Beloved Gaia metamorphosing into Serpentina, the Planet of Universal Destiny.

IAmWhoIAm! The Scribe of the Dragons!

[bigmo]

Abraxas,

You information has been quite enlightening (like reading a great novel - never knowing what's on the next page lol) and I thank you for your efforts here. However, now that this broad range of information has been brought to our attention, can you explain exactly what it is that we are to do with it?

Since you are the Thuban messenger then I have to believe that you also must have 'preparatory advice' for those of us receiving your message?

Or is the message itself encoded so as to promote an activation?

If the fulfillment of prophesy is 'imminent' as your message suggest then we are not here to be an 'audience' but to be a participatory, or maybe even an 'activating force' by which your revelations may manifest throughout the human mind system.

For those who have eyes to see and ears to hear, what is the step by step process by which one would go about aligning oneself to this transformational process?

Is it just an order of belief?

Are we to stand tall with our face to the sun and wait with patience or must we alter our thought processes in some way?

Are we required to use certain breathing techniques or sit cross legged in mediation?

Since you are here now, at this moment in time... what is it that you wish for us to do? (or can you direct us to another source that may already possess the instructional modalities that align with your message?)

Peace

[Malletzky]

Bigmo, these are some good questions, which I have had in my head for some days now. I guess, Abrax will probably answer here...but nevertheles, I think I've found the answer for ME:

I am here for a purpose, I am here to be ME, just as I am. I am doing whatever I am supposed to do...as I have been guided to be right here and right now. With other words:

While I am here for purpose, I am perfect as I am. And that's pretty fine for me

I hope you understand.

with much respect
malletzky

Originally Posted by bigmo

Abraxas,

You information has been quite enlightening (like reading a great novel - never knowing what's on the next page lol) and I thank you for your efforts here. However, now that this broad range of information has been brought to our attention, can you explain exactly what it is that we are to do with it?

Since you are the Thuban messenger then I have to believe that you also must have 'preparatory advice' for those of us receiving your message?

Or is the message itself encoded so as to promote an activation?

If the fulfillment of prophesy is 'imminent' as your message suggest then we are not here to be an 'audience' but to be a participatory, or maybe even an 'activating force' by which your revelations may manifest throughout the human mind system.

For those who have eyes to see and ears to hear, what is the step by step process by which one would go about aligning oneself to this transformational process?

Is it just an order of belief?

Are we to stand tall with our face to the sun and wait with patience or must we alter our thought processes in some way?

Are we required to use certain breathing techniques or sit cross legged in mediation?

Since you are here now, at this moment in time... what is it that you wish for us to do? (or can you direct us to another source that may already possess the instructional modalities that align with your message?)

Peace

[Jonah]

Abraxas,

You wrote:

"When the evolutionary thresholds would be attained the ET-intelligences would incarnate physically into the Human and StarHuman templates to manifest their individuated microcosms in the destined macrocosmic super-blueprint of the StarHumanity."


Are we to be vessels then for these ET intelligences, or can we be our own star human?...
I like myself the way I am... But to believe that I am being controlled from the 12 dimension... and am in the process of allowing an Intelligence that is not my own to incarnate in to my star human self... not sure if I am understanding this part quiet right...

Also this hybrid form... does it come with physical changes?
Can you elaborate on them if any?

How would this template reproduce?

[Fredkc]

Jonah;

We are created to be creators.
With sovereign license directly from the supreme creator, unimpeded, unfiltered.
Anything else is someone selling something.

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by Fredkc

Jonah;

We are created to be creators.
With sovereign license directly from the supreme creator, unimpeded, unfiltered.
Anything else is someone selling something.

Yes Fred; I could not have expressed your first two sentences better myself.

To express your creative licence however, you find yourself in the dilemma of your interaction with your environment.

Without any environment you would indeed be the created creator, sharing its individualised loneliness and exile.

So the environment (of the universe) becomes you self-interaction and also a mirror of your own isolation (in the metaphysical exile of yourself without a universe).
This isolation then is FILTERED by the Manyness of yourself perceived as Separation.

So there are filters Fred, allowing you to to rediscover yourself and also to create your own family of cosmic creators.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by Jonah

Abraxas,

You wrote:

"When the evolutionary thresholds would be attained the ET-intelligences would incarnate physically into the Human and StarHuman templates to manifest their individuated microcosms in the destined macrocosmic super-blueprint of the StarHumanity."


Are we to be vessels then for these ET intelligences, or can we be our own star human?...

Dear Jonah!

Your reply indicates that you perceive yourself to be a human individual, separated as a uniqueness from the rest of the universe.
You are indeed a UNIQUE INDIVIDUAL; yet YOU are also the NONSEPARATED universe.
As long as you cannot perceive yourself in nonseparation, my answers to your questions will appear to you as threatening your individual selfauthority and 'free will'.

Are the billions of bacteria keeping your intestinal biochemistry healthy and functioning 'threatening your individuality and 'sense of selfhood'?

The ETs are like those bacteria in the starhuman body.
The ETs are a collectiveness within the stahuman individual.
Each individual ET-bacterium CAN also express a starhuman individuality in mirroring your Jonah individuality as a bacterium within some alien bodyform, then sharing your starhuman integfrity.

I like myself the way I am... But to believe that I am being controlled from the 12 dimension... and am in the process of allowing an Intelligence that is not my own to incarnate in to my star human self... not sure if I am understanding this part quiet right...

Yes, you misunderstood that part. Perhaps the above will help yo to visualize the unity-separaton dichotomy.

Also this hybrid form... does it come with physical changes?
Can you elaborate on them if any?

How would this template reproduce?

Just as today, except that the prebiological (or cloning) reproduction template will be physically manifested, instead of being 'hidden' and obscured in the 4th space dimension.

AA

[soapcrates]

Jonah,

you are YOU - since the beginning of this creation you have been you an to the end of this creation you will go still being you. Your essence is your own - inviolable and un-breakable - it is sacred and no one and no thing is going to invade or control you ever - unless you invite it and allow it - that is the thing with free will - if you are dumb or trusting enough to listen to some sky pilot who talks utter drivel he has misunderstood and misquoted in the desperate scramble for recognition not gained elsewhere then you are in danger of submitting to something invasive that has neither the right nor the poer to invade anything uninvited.

ALL that you are compelled to do is what you compel yourself to - which is to live, to learn and to evolve. you already contain the essence of everything you will ever be - pure, unique and beautiful- self contained and requiring nothing from anyone or anything else.

your spirit is pure and inviolate the essence of the one spirit pure and perfect. both it and your higher self know exactly what to do and when to do it. the best place for you to get your answers is within - the are there waiting for you. that quiet - voice more felt than heard in the heart f your being can teach you more in a moment than mr wonko the sane - master of the umpty tird secret loofah society of planet loon in the thirty third level of the backward dimension for addicted attention seekers and failed fortune cookie writers.
Strongly suggest that you find someone saner to talk to - this kind of parasitic imitation teaching is dangerously unhealthy!

:r oll1:

Originally Posted by Jonah

Abraxas,

You wrote:

"When the evolutionary thresholds would be attained the ET-intelligences would incarnate physically into the Human and StarHuman templates to manifest their individuated microcosms in the destined macrocosmic super-blueprint of the StarHumanity."


Are we to be vessels then for these ET intelligences, or can we be our own star human?...
I like myself the way I am... But to believe that I am being controlled from the 12 dimension... and am in the process of allowing an Intelligence that is not my own to incarnate in to my star human self... not sure if I am understanding this part quiet right...

Also this hybrid form... does it come with physical changes?
Can you elaborate on them if any?

How would this template reproduce?

[Jonah]

soapcrates,

I was planning to only have one drink tonight... hrmm

This kind of... how did you put it... parasitic imitation teaching...(wow, that just sounds down right nasty) took many years to develope...

probably ever since i started reading comic books as a kid... then found frank herbert's Dune novels... That pretty much did it for me...

You see Mr. Soapcrates... in case you haven't noticed... this forum has had it's fair share of interesting writers...

People.. who have for some reason or another chose to put their thoughts down into "forum".....

Some thoughts that can been proven unaquevically... others are but waiting to shed light to those who can SEE...


Thank you for your kind words Soapcrates,
they say that you are trying to be helpful, but the intention behind them I feel is to discredit Mr. Abrax

I've always thought my dreams were more "real" than my waking life could ever be.... Sorry if this isn't true for you...

To the awesome writers that have been on this forum I say many thanks...just to name a few

James Casbolt
Richard T
777theGreatWork
Abraxasinas

Some people just have no imagination any more

Originally Posted by soapcrates

Jonah,

you are YOU - since the beginning of this creation you have been you an to the end of this creation you will go still being you. Your essence is your own - inviolable and un-breakable - it is sacred and no one and no thing is going to invade or control you ever - unless you invite it and allow it - that is the thing with free will - if you are dumb or trusting enough to listen to some sky pilot who talks utter drivel he has misunderstood and misquoted in the desperate scramble for recognition not gained elsewhere then you are in danger of submitting to something invasive that has neither the right nor the poer to invade anything uninvited.

ALL that you are compelled to do is what you compel yourself to - which is to live, to learn and to evolve. you already contain the essence of everything you will ever be - pure, unique and beautiful- self contained and requiring nothing from anyone or anything else.

your spirit is pure and inviolate the essence of the one spirit pure and perfect. both it and your higher self know exactly what to do and when to do it. the best place for you to get your answers is within - the are there waiting for you. that quiet - voice more felt than heard in the heart f your being can teach you more in a moment than mr wonko the sane - master of the umpty tird secret loofah society of planet loon in the thirty third level of the backward dimension for addicted attention seekers and failed fortune cookie writers.
Strongly suggest that you find someone saner to talk to - this kind of parasitic imitation teaching is dangerously unhealthy!

:r oll1:

[soapcrates]

Jonah,

sorry you see it that way - you could perhaps have thought that just might know whereof i speak. You are indeed correct in saying that there have been and indeed still are some excellent writers on this forum. there are however also some that are definitely a sandwich short of a spaceship.

Anyone and i mean anyone who encourages another being to surrender their body or mind under any circumstances is at best being irresponsible and at worst being downright malicious - i refrained from the implication of spite, evil or malign intent when writing, because i don't think its there, but its definitely an option. you wont find any being of light anywhere that is genuine doing that.

If you are saying tat the entire contents of this thread is intended to e fantasy and nothing more, then thats fine, and certainly most of it reads as exactly that.it is sadly far from accurate in many respects regarding reality.

Now if it is intended as fantasy i am all for that, - i really enjoyed Dune although i rather felt that the later books were a little forced, but still good.

Nothing wrong with fantasy - as long as all concerned are aware of the game. I noted a certain reluctance i the post i responded to regarding yielding to another being and that is why i stuk my nose in - seemed to me that somone doesnt know its fiction - i am still not convinced as to who that might be.

I would, however strongly sugget tha tthis thread be re labelled specifically as fiction if that is its intent, adn as dangerous verging on the irresponsible if it is not intended to be fiction.

I gurantee you that if oyu go to any reputable medium,lightworker, healer,higher being or GUru, and tell them what dunderhead said, they will throw a fit. htis is because it is dangerous, irresponsible and downright wrong. and its not the only - shall we say "inaccuracy" here.

Re label it fantasy and i will become a fan [ if the quality improves and co author if it doesnt]. but at least put a health warning on it and call it fiction up front.

Originally Posted by Jonah

soapcrates,

I was planning to only have one drink tonight... hrmm

This kind of... how did you put it... parasitic imitation teaching...(wow, that just sounds down right nasty) took many years to develope...

probably ever since i started reading comic books as a kid... then found frank herbert's Dune novels... That pretty much did it for me...

You see Mr. Soapcrates... in case you haven't noticed... this forum has had it's fair share of interesting writers...

People.. who have for some reason or another chose to put their thoughts down into "forum".....

Some thoughts that can been proven unaquevically... others are but waiting to shed light to those who can SEE...


Thank you for your kind words Soapcrates,
they say that you are trying to be helpful, but the intention behind them I feel is to discredit Mr. Abrax

I've always thought my dreams were more "real" than my waking life could ever be.... Sorry if this isn't true for you...

To the awesome writers that have been on this forum I say many thanks...just to name a few

James Casbolt
Richard T
777theGreatWork
Abraxasinas

Some people just have no imagination any more

[bigmo]

Malletzky,

Yes I understand completely how you feel and I struggle with my egos' never ending persistence, to want to know why?

I must be a personality glitch or something... even as a child I would pester my parents by following them around inquiring and asking over and over and over again... why this, Mom? Why that, Dad?

It could also be that I'm paying a karmic debt from a previous life. Maybe I was a quiet, meek and timid monk who turned his head while 'they' burned the witches or worse yet, lay in a drunken stupor behind an old church pew somewhere. Who knows.

Regardless I still find it hard to 'let go' and 'accept', as it appears from your post, that you have been able to do. I congratulate you and thank you for your friendly and inspiring comment.

Peace

[Malletzky]

Bigmo, accepting that you accept that you still might "struggle" (altough I would say, you are as perfect for me as I am perfect for myself), with something (call it ego or whatever, it's just a label, nothing more), is the begining of the acceptance. It's the begining of recognising who you (we) really are....and much more than that.

I'm not here to give you my advises, as I still haven't fully recognised my self.

But, each one of us is special...on his/her own way. And we're allowed to experience, here and now, the very special existence of duality. This is why I just can't accept any karmic debts from any previous lives, as I don't even know if I have had any. I guess, this is my first "appearance" here after many, many thousands of years. Who knows? What I want to point to is, I wouldn't pay too much intention to any karma beliefs, at least not in the way the label "karma" has been presented to us.

By the way, you made me laugh...your statement:

even as a child I would pester my parents by following them around inquiring and asking over and over and over again... why this, Mom? Why that, Dad?

just reminds me of my little daughter, with her almost neverending questions......but believe me, asking questions is not the worst thing...not being able to answer all of them is much worster ...as then,I realise that she actually knows everything, but just still do not remember.

And there we come back again to the purpose of our presence AS WE ARE...each one of us holds many hidden memories inside. So, imo, we're here to help each other to finally recognise...

[I would end this post with a statement from my daughter (already posted on another thread, but it fits here too), after she asked me what's our purpose here, why the creator created us. Her own answer was:]

...we're here to recognise what love is

I assure you, she meant much more then just saying the word "love". She recognises love as a state of being...and not only a simple feeling when you just feel in love!

Thank to YOU Bigmo...

with and respect
malletzky

[orthodoxymoron]

abraxasinas...are you (or have you ever been) in charge of Earth and/or the Solar System? I'm not being sarcastic or flippant. I'm interested in the governmental system of Earth, the Solar System, and the Universe. I keep thinking of a Hybrid Goddess of This World ruling Earth from an Underground Stargate Temple...who might resemble the young lady who accompanies your posts. 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3A6_blpqpU 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b365_qJEpDg In a sense...I don't care who's in charge...as long as Earth, the Solar System, and the Universe are properly governed...with a minimal level of corruption and insanity...and a maximum level of responsible freedom. Again...I'm not being sarcastic or flippant. The problem is...that Power Corrupts...and Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. There may be no exceptions to this rule...which is why I am very nervous regarding Gods, Goddesses, and Theocracies. I'm not rebellious...just scared. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z7O7UZxipM I worry about things like the Crusades, the Inquisition, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx8Pd...eature=related the World Wars, Nuclear Weapons, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMQnA...rom=PL&index=1 Aimed Asteroids, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFwnGiu9eV8 Induced Pole Shifts and Tectonic Movements, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyCCd...eature=related Assassinations, Terrorism, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mz0_x7313I Extermination Events http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9mFn9EhgU4 (such as the Global Flood, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKbEI8pDz0A Earth Changes, etc.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czgjf...om=PL&index=25 Thanks again for doing this thread. The volume and complexity of the information is overwhelming. It is unlike anything I have ever encountered. Is there a planet in the Pleiades named Pleon? I used this name in a fictional story...in which I said that I was from Pleon in the Pleiades. I have since learned that there is a star in the Pleiades named Pleione. I didn't know that when I wrote the story.

I received the following responses from posts I have made on the internet. They don't sound human.

'Y'all love fantisizing over my ancestral decorations, places, spirituality that you don't get, the greatness you won't achieve, and the melanin you'll never have. This depiction of my ancestors is pathetic. Y'all always make them look just as degenerative and recessive as you. Anyway, play and have fun as much as you still can. Yes you are running out of time, and to be honest, there is absolutly nothing you can do about it. I have no mercy, you lie and mock and blasphem all the way to hell.'

On another website...I received this message:

'You know this isn't funny! The Lord God will judge you for claiming God ship. Just because God showed you a little bit of His secrets you think you know everything. He will NOT have mercy on you!' [orthodoxymoron note: This was in connection with me fictionally using the name KRLLL - causing me to wonder if someone equated Godship with the name 'Omnipotent Highness KRLLL'?]

I once heard a mocking, sing-song, high-pitched feminine sounding voice...emanating from a usually deep and masculine voiced televangelist...directed toward me...in public...almost shouting 'That was gooooooood!!!!'...in reaction to a polite, well intentioned, and well reasoned comment by me.

This was a short unedited internet exchange I had some time ago:

ME: What if the aliens who have been here for thousands of years are the 'bad-guys'? What if we will need the help of good aliens from elsewhere to get rid of the demonic aliens who are already here? Could this be viewed as a hostile alien attack? I really don't know. I am just speculating.

THEM: Try not to think in terms of good or bad. Understand this is not your planet. Then, understand nothing can be done to you that you don't do to yourself. Know that there are quadrillions of planets and they don't have a massive climate change every 26,000 years and violent deranged people like yourselves. Why on Earth would any race want to live here with you knowingly? The most intelligent life on the planet is not human.

ME: I'll try not to think of the Iraq War in terms of good or bad. I'll try to be morally ambiguous. I might even become CIA or a CEO. Hey, maybe violent and deranged is neither good nor bad...but thinking makes it so. The aliens who are here need us to not get our acts together. If that happens...they'll probably have to live on Nibiru...or worse. Sorry for being a smart-ass. Wait...I'm not sorry...it's neither good nor bad. I couldn't resist. I mean well. Really.

THEM: And your point was?...............

ME: Who owns earth? Where do humans belong? What is the most intelligent life on earth? If they are so smart, and earth is so bad...why are they here? I may be deranged...but I'm not violent. You sound as though you are not human...are you an alien? If so...what kind...and from where? My point was that ethics are supremely important. I don't hurt, kill, terrorize, or abduct people...but some aliens apparently do(as do some humans). They should stop.

THEM II: Don't we like...create our own world? We're destroying our own world because our society isn't healthy.

ME: Our planet is how we plan it. Perhaps we need to fire some people in the planning department. You're right...society is sick...mentally ill. Perhaps our world is the Devil's Island Insane Asylum of the Universe. But it seems that some of the inmates are getting well...and helping other inmates to get well. Jail Break! Jail Break! Free at Last! Free at Last!

No further comments in this exchange. My questions went unanswered. The silence was deafening.

Here is another internet conversation I had with someone who claimed to be a hybrid...which I found to be very interesting:

Veronica: Mad humans always existed, just don’t blame their actions (if existed) to the Reptilians. Is too easy to say people are been led by other species evils than admit that there are humans nuts by themselves. Reptilians are good, they only approach a human when they fall in love, and to do good to the beloved person. Satan is a word that means "attorney" in the original language. It is not an individual, the word can apply to many alien lawyer that have nothing to do with humans.

Orthodoxymoron: Is the Old Testament God really Satan...a Reptilian. Could the "attorney" definition have something to do with the legalism seen in the Old Testament? We humans are pretty disgusting in our own right...but I suspect that evil spirits and evil aliens make things a lot worse. Who is responsible for abductions, mutilations, etc? And what about the frightful appearance of alleged Reptilians. I'm not anti-alien...just anti-evil.

Veronica: Thanks for commenting on my post, and for the opportunity of bringing up this subject. The Old Testament Satan came from a species called Man of Tri. He was a good guy, having a beautiful personal trajectory of defending social rights on his planet, extremely intelligent, only bright and right lawyers are chosen to be a Satan. At the time he arrived on Earth, unfortunately, he had become insane, and he did a lot of harm, but it was because he was ill. His species lives 8.000 to 10.000 years of Earth, and he stayed much of this time here, doing harm. As there was few personnel from other species working here, few angels and lots of work to do in those days, nobody caught him. I am not aware if Eden destituted him while he was alive, but he did not act as a Satan here, though he had the Satan seal because he was a nominated Satan ( by Eden High Council). He acted as an insane man, because he was maddened by an illness. See, there is Good and Bad, and there is Evil. Good and Bad are complementary in a context. Evil is out of place. This is because the source of Evil is an illness. It is a virus. We call it virus of Tri because was first detected there. This virus attacks a small percentage of most populations. All species are united to find the cure, all species have problems with maddened guys, and, as humans, in all species most individuals are good guys living by common sense and good social rules.

Orthodoxymoron: Your website is very interesting. I'm wondering if you have heard of, seen or read a book titled 'The Great Controversy' by Ellen G. White? If so, what is your opinion? What is your opinion regarding the Teachings of Jesus? What is your opinion regarding the U.S. Constitution? What can you tell me about the New World Order? Is it really the Old Alien Order? Who was ultimately responsible for 9/11? Satan as a mentally-ill attorney is a fascinating possibility...

Veronica: I will bring the answers here later, just stopped quickly now to thank you. The FAQ is stuck for lack of questions and you really do good ones.
I don’t speak alone, I am supported by Lucifer embassy and by Eden. I got a long message from a Messenger Angel about these, it will take a while to translate, but I will let you know. Basically, about the book of Ellen White as well as the Teaching of Jesus, the message focus on the fact that we are the ones making the history now, there is no need to focus on history to know anything important. Each happening of history is fit for the time it happened. Constitution, summary: the real law is the law of Nature, not clearly understood yet, and the value of the C. relies on its closeness to the natural laws, not imposing limits to it. The C. is to assure freedom, but the freedom only exists when there is no need of law, be to limit, be to let free, other than the nature. As an overview, the U.S. Constitution is advanced, but not finished. Nature allow development and technology, as it works for the Aliens. What changes is the concept about life. New World Order never existed. If humans made their organizations, they were never powerful to threaten the entire world. Never existed an Alien Order, they are ordinary civilizations, with teachers and accountants and social philosophies, living well and satisfied, solving their problems as everyone else. I know it is hard to believe after all this negative marketing, but they are just here doing routine. About 9/11 the answer of the Angels is: All that participated of 9/11 are already dead.

I will put the answers here if you don’t mind, not to overload the comments on the video. You are welcome. The old testament is genuine, it was transmitted by Eden, and the prophets translated the best they could, but the angel’s language is not a piece of cake, and there are many misinterpretations, specially after translated to other languages and analyzed. People have the right to know how things are. I am a fallen angel, you probably heard that we born in human form. We have being trying to tell these things for many millennia, but the kings always kill us and burn our books. But this time there is Internet. I am telling this things on You Tube because I am still not sure if the powers of human will not try to burn the books again, if we start to speak to many people at once. Though the world is more civilized now. When you feel comfortable you can visit my blog, there is many more there about the Creation. There is also a book for download, it is a poem done by me with the angel Ariel, that is my brother. It was done to heal the heart, when people sometimes feel tired of the harshness of life. All material there is free and Creative Commons, we don’t want anything from anyone. We speak because it takes us closer of home. Have a great week.


About spirits: The spirits disturb, really. The fact is that spirits must remain sleeping, and when they are awake they do disturbance. What is important to understand is that never had, and there is not yet, personal enough to suffice the demand of work in Earth. The grays are the responsible to collect the lost spirits, this is part of their job and they are paid to do it and do well, but they are few with few equipment compared to the quantity of ghosts. If someone feel that is being disturbed, he must ask to the gray of his area to chase that specific ghost and the problem will be solved. They usually focus to sane the problems where more humans are being affected. To call the gray just make the request near one of their communication devices. These communicators are discretely placed where the community gathers to discuss the problems, such as churches or community centers, and by what they hear on these places they know where to act to solve the problems affecting more people at once. If someone speak to them directly pointing the problems, they can act more effectively.

Mutilations: Aliens never mutilate. Not even the criminals. Simply because third dimensional material has no use for anyone but to those who live in it. Most aliens can jump from 3rd to 4th dimension, but their feeding and living is done in the 4th. The 3rd is just for work, tourism or study. For any alien species the bodies of the 3rd D are troublesome to deal with directly, and is pointless. The cattle mutilations are done by rats, birds and small animals. There is plenty of analysis of these supposedly mutilated by abduction corpses, and most of them point to very understandable causes, though there might be something bizarre on nature that we cannot understand. If you wish to research deeper, there is a complete article done by a Brazilian magazine called UFO with legists doctors examining many of these cattle. All of them concluded the mutilations were done by rats, that choose the soft parts to eat first – eyes, nose, mouth, ears, reproductive parts, and from these to inside. The opening made by the small creatures who live from corpses are generally perfect and round, and they eat first from inside, it is easy to see at an apple eaten by worms. From outside it can looks good, and the small hole is perfectly round.

Real abductions: The Grays are the “nanny” of human species, as the human species of Gaia is young and still entitled do receive special care. Is the grays duty to assure that all human on the group under their care gets food, shelter and sanitary conditions ( not richness, it is only about the health). So, they ionize the air to kill bacteria, influence for resources to reach hospitals, researchers and sanitary organizations. The abductions occur when a special human individual gets ill, the “special” relies on fact that the person is a hub for the distribution of resources to many others humans. If that person gets ill many will be without resources and will be consequently ill too, so the grays operate this hub person so he can keep up as a resources distributor for that area. It is expensive for the grays, done rarely. But as humans start to communicate directly with the grays they might even buy this operations perhaps, paying by sending resources to other humans in need from that gray group. They do these exchanges with some sensitive’s, sometimes.


Reptilian appearances: The Reptilians are moved by the heart. They fall in love with humans more frequently than you can imagine, then they try to approach the person and everyone gets scared. They are an old, old species, with all existential problems solved, so they live in search of love and adventure. They are scary, of rude gestures, and cannot communicate well with humans, so the misunderstandings and confusions they cause are huge, but there is always an impulsive Reptilian in love behind, usually he does not succeed in his affair, sometimes do. They can fall in love with a person, with a population, with a politic system, with a project being made, by an object or place. It has nothing to do with the “take the world” theories, even because they don’t have to take, the Earth belong to them, and the Angels protect Earth because of them ,as they don’t fit anywhere else, while humanoids can be taken to other places. They are rough in the outside, and most sweet on the inside. Here is their place, the humans just need to learn to understand them, and I am sure will be great for all. They love to have other species living here, when a civilizations ends they long for the next.

I hope this information has a use for you. It is not something I read or heard, the source are the own Alien representatives. I took the task to clarify the misconceptions on the media on my group, and the intention is only to inform our point of view. I chose to speak person to person, with those who are interested on the issue, as being half-human myself.

Veronica: Hello friend, You Tube is making me tired. It is like a rally road and I don’t like it, I am a girl. Here are most boys trying to combat, not to fix on the subject. For discussion, only you were interesting. Keep my e-mail if you wish. You are welcome to discuss anytime.

Orthodoxymoron: Thank-you for your answers and comments. I hope that the internet and You Tube will help people to learn how to communicate more effectively and nicely. I hope things turn out well for everyone...humans, aliens, everyone. I even hope that Satan can learn to be happy without being mean and causing trouble. I don't want anyone to be miserable. Life should be enjoyed. I hope this universe can get past war. We should compete constructively...not destructively. Peace to you.

Namaste

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

abraxasinas...are you (or have you ever been) in charge of Earth and/or the Solar System?

No orthodoxus; neither do I desire to. I have enough trouble being 'in charge' of my own bodyforms.

I'm not being sarcastic or flippant. I'm interested in the governmental system of Earth, the Solar System, and the Universe. I keep thinking of a Hybrid Goddess of This World ruling Earth from an Underground Stargate Temple...who might resemble the young lady who accompanies your posts. 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3A6_blpqpU 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b365_qJEpDg In a sense...I don't care who's in charge...as long as Earth, the Solar System, and the Universe are properly governed...with a minimal level of corruption and insanity...and a maximum level of responsible freedom. Again...I'm not being sarcastic or flippant. The problem is...that Power Corrupts...and Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. There may be no exceptions to this rule...which is why I am very nervous regarding Gods, Goddesses, and Theocracies. I'm not rebellious...just scared. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z7O7UZxipM I worry about things like the Crusades, the Inquisition, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx8Pd...eature=related the World Wars, Nuclear Weapons, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMQnA...rom=PL&index=1 Aimed Asteroids, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFwnGiu9eV8 Induced Pole Shifts and Tectonic Movements, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyCCd...eature=related Assassinations, Terrorism, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mz0_x7313I Extermination Events http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9mFn9EhgU4 (such as the Global Flood, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKbEI8pDz0A Earth Changes, etc.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czgjf...om=PL&index=25 Thanks again for doing this thread. The volume and complexity of the information is overwhelming. It is unlike anything I have ever encountered.

Neither will you encounter anything like this anywhere orthodoxus. This Thuban data is simply data, JUST WORDS, which will be used, not by the messenger, but by the Oneness behind the data, that which I call the Cosmic Logos.

Is there a planet in the Pleiades named Pleon?

Well indeed Pleaon exists orthodoxus - You are its Creator and the physical reality of Pleon is as real as the UFOs.

I used this name in a fictional story...in which I said that I was from Pleon in the Pleiades. I have since learned that there is a star in the Pleiades named Pleione. I didn't know that when I wrote the story.

Pleione is the female 'wife' and mother of the Seven Sisters with Atlas her 'lover'.

I received the following responses from posts I have made on the internet. They don't sound human.

'Y'all love fantisizing over my ancestral decorations, places, spirituality that you don't get, the greatness you won't achieve, and the melanin you'll never have. This depiction of my ancestors is pathetic. Y'all always make them look just as degenerative and recessive as you. Anyway, play and have fun as much as you still can. Yes you are running out of time, and to be honest, there is absolutly nothing you can do about it. I have no mercy, you lie and mock and blasphem all the way to hell.'

Very human egocentricity orthodoxus.

On another website...I received this message:

'You know this isn't funny! The Lord God will judge you for claiming God ship. Just because God showed you a little bit of His secrets you think you know everything. He will NOT have mercy on you!' [orthodoxymoron note: This was in connection with me fictionally using the name KRLLL - causing me to wonder if someone equated Godship with the name 'Omnipotent Highness KRLLL'?]

Very human ego mimicking the divine ego of God (who does not judge and is always full of 'mercy').

I once heard a mocking, sing-song, high-pitched feminine sounding voice...emanating from a usually deep and masculine voiced televangelist...directed toward me...in public...almost shouting 'That was gooooooood!!!!'...in reaction to a polite, well intentioned, and well reasoned comment by me.

Even more so human ego-based, accentuating separation and not the natural unity of God.

This was a short unedited internet exchange I had some time ago:

ME: What if the aliens who have been here for thousands of years are the 'bad-guys'? What if we will need the help of good aliens from elsewhere to get rid of the demonic aliens who are already here? Could this be viewed as a hostile alien attack? I really don't know. I am just speculating.

THEM: Try not to think in terms of good or bad. Understand this is not your planet. Then, understand nothing can be done to you that you don't do to yourself. Know that there are quadrillions of planets and they don't have a massive climate change every 26,000 years and violent deranged people like yourselves. Why on Earth would any race want to live here with you knowingly? The most intelligent life on the planet is not human.

This is basically true, but omits the 'inner human core' whch IS in fact the most intelligent cosmic lifeform (the planet belongs to All) - yet remains hidden in the superconsciousness ONLY accessible by the Individual Logos partnering the Cosmic Logos.

ME: I'll try not to think of the Iraq War in terms of good or bad. I'll try to be morally ambiguous. I might even become CIA or a CEO. Hey, maybe violent and deranged is neither good nor bad...but thinking makes it so. The aliens who are here need us to not get our acts together. If that happens...they'll probably have to live on Nibiru...or worse. Sorry for being a smart-ass. Wait...I'm not sorry...it's neither good nor bad. I couldn't resist. I mean well. Really.

THEM: And your point was?...............

ME: Who owns earth? Where do humans belong? What is the most intelligent life on earth? If they are so smart, and earth is so bad...why are they here? I may be deranged...but I'm not violent. You sound as though you are not human...are you an alien? If so...what kind...and from where? My point was that ethics are supremely important. I don't hurt, kill, terrorize, or abduct people...but some aliens apparently do(as do some humans). They should stop.

THEM II: Don't we like...create our own world? We're destroying our own world because our society isn't healthy.

Now THEM has become a projection of earth in a true mirror imaging.

ME: Our planet is how we plan it. Perhaps we need to fire some people in the planning department. You're right...society is sick...mentally ill. Perhaps our world is the Devil's Island Insane Asylum of the Universe. But it seems that some of the inmates are getting well...and helping other inmates to get well. Jail Break! Jail Break! Free at Last! Free at Last!

No further comments in this exchange. My questions went unanswered. The silence was deafening.

THEM had given the 'game away' in imaging themselves as earthling cionsciousness.

Here is another internet conversation I had with someone who claimed to be a hybrid...which I found to be very interesting:

Veronica: Mad humans always existed, just don’t blame their actions (if existed) to the Reptilians. Is too easy to say people are been led by other species evils than admit that there are humans nuts by themselves. Reptilians are good, they only approach a human when they fall in love, and to do good to the beloved person. Satan is a word that means "attorney" in the original language. It is not an individual, the word can apply to many alien lawyer that have nothing to do with humans.

Veronica is from Thuban in the words above.


Orthodoxymoron: Is the Old Testament God really Satan...a Reptilian. Could the "attorney" definition have something to do with the legalism seen in the Old Testament? We humans are pretty disgusting in our own right...but I suspect that evil spirits and evil aliens make things a lot worse. Who is responsible for abductions, mutilations, etc? And what about the frightful appearance of alleged Reptilians. I'm not anti-alien...just anti-evil.

Veronica: Thanks for commenting on my post, and for the opportunity of bringing up this subject. The Old Testament Satan came from a species called Man of Tri. He was a good guy, having a beautiful personal trajectory of defending social rights on his planet, extremely intelligent, only bright and right lawyers are chosen to be a Satan. At the time he arrived on Earth, unfortunately, he had become insane, and he did a lot of harm, but it was because he was ill. His species lives 8.000 to 10.000 years of Earth, and he stayed much of this time here, doing harm. As there was few personnel from other species working here, few angels and lots of work to do in those days, nobody caught him. I am not aware if Eden destituted him while he was alive, but he did not act as a Satan here, though he had the Satan seal because he was a nominated Satan ( by Eden High Council). He acted as an insane man, because he was maddened by an illness. See, there is Good and Bad, and there is Evil. Good and Bad are complementary in a context. Evil is out of place. This is because the source of Evil is an illness. It is a virus. We call it virus of Tri because was first detected there. This virus attacks a small percentage of most populations. All species are united to find the cure, all species have problems with maddened guys, and, as humans, in all species most individuals are good guys living by common sense and good social rules.

Yes, Veronica is still Thubanese, but has begun to filter too much data from 2nd Order into the many many many polarity labels of the 3rd Order.
Recall, the 1st order is Unity internally and externally undifferentiated.
2nd Order is Polarity still unified externally, but internally differentiated as a Oneness - the Cosmic Hologram of the Holographic Universe has not yet become 'shattered' in dispersion.
3rd Order is Polarity differentiated both within and without.


Orthodoxymoron: Your website is very interesting. I'm wondering if you have heard of, seen or read a book titled 'The Great Controversy' by Ellen G. White? If so, what is your opinion? What is your opinion regarding the Teachings of Jesus? What is your opinion regarding the U.S. Constitution? What can you tell me about the New World Order? Is it really the Old Alien Order? Who was ultimately responsible for 9/11? Satan as a mentally-ill attorney is a fascinating possibility...

Veronica: I will bring the answers here later, just stopped quickly now to thank you. The FAQ is stuck for lack of questions and you really do good ones.
I don’t speak alone, I am supported by Lucifer embassy and by Eden. I got a long message from a Messenger Angel about these, it will take a while to translate, but I will let you know. Basically, about the book of Ellen White as well as the Teaching of Jesus, the message focus on the fact that we are the ones making the history now, there is no need to focus on history to know anything important. Each happening of history is fit for the time it happened. Constitution, summary: the real law is the law of Nature, not clearly understood yet, and the value of the C. relies on its closeness to the natural laws, not imposing limits to it. The C. is to assure freedom, but the freedom only exists when there is no need of law, be to limit, be to let free, other than the nature. As an overview, the U.S. Constitution is advanced, but not finished. Nature allow development and technology, as it works for the Aliens. What changes is the concept about life. New World Order never existed. If humans made their organizations, they were never powerful to threaten the entire world. Never existed an Alien Order, they are ordinary civilizations, with teachers and accountants and social philosophies, living well and satisfied, solving their problems as everyone else. I know it is hard to believe after all this negative marketing, but they are just here doing routine. About 9/11 the answer of the Angels is: All that participated of 9/11 are already dead.

Veronica is still acting under the Shadow of Thuban - she is strong in her intent; but as you can see, she is requiring help from the Luciferic realm to answer your questions. This Luciferic Realm IS Thuban.

I will put the answers here if you don’t mind, not to overload the comments on the video. You are welcome. The old testament is genuine, it was transmitted by Eden, and the prophets translated the best they could, but the angel’s language is not a piece of cake, and there are many misinterpretations, specially after translated to other languages and analyzed. People have the right to know how things are. I am a fallen angel, you probably heard that we born in human form. We have being trying to tell these things for many millennia, but the kings always kill us and burn our books. But this time there is Internet. I am telling this things on You Tube because I am still not sure if the powers of human will not try to burn the books again, if we start to speak to many people at once. Though the world is more civilized now. When you feel comfortable you can visit my blog, there is many more there about the Creation. There is also a book for download, it is a poem done by me with the angel Ariel, that is my brother. It was done to heal the heart, when people sometimes feel tired of the harshness of life. All material there is free and Creative Commons, we don’t want anything from anyone. We speak because it takes us closer of home. Have a great week.

Veronica's disposition is becoming more 3rd Order, but she realises some very important principles, such as:
All material there is free and Creative Commons, we don’t want anything from anyone. We speak because it takes us closer of home.

Veronica's agency as a messenger from the 12th dimension remains valid.

About spirits: The spirits disturb, really. The fact is that spirits must remain sleeping, and when they are awake they do disturbance. What is important to understand is that never had, and there is not yet, personal enough to suffice the demand of work in Earth. The grays are the responsible to collect the lost spirits, this is part of their job and they are paid to do it and do well, but they are few with few equipment compared to the quantity of ghosts. If someone feel that is being disturbed, he must ask to the gray of his area to chase that specific ghost and the problem will be solved. They usually focus to sane the problems where more humans are being affected. To call the gray just make the request near one of their communication devices. These communicators are discretely placed where the community gathers to discuss the problems, such as churches or community centers, and by what they hear on these places they know where to act to solve the problems affecting more people at once. If someone speak to them directly pointing the problems, they can act more effectively.

Veronica is describing 3rd Order information from the polarised perspectives.

Mutilations: Aliens never mutilate. Not even the criminals. Simply because third dimensional material has no use for anyone but to those who live in it. Most aliens can jump from 3rd to 4th dimension, but their feeding and living is done in the 4th. The 3rd is just for work, tourism or study. For any alien species the bodies of the 3rd D are troublesome to deal with directly, and is pointless. The cattle mutilations are done by rats, birds and small animals. There is plenty of analysis of these supposedly mutilated by abduction corpses, and most of them point to very understandable causes, though there might be something bizarre on nature that we cannot understand. If you wish to research deeper, there is a complete article done by a Brazilian magazine called UFO with legists doctors examining many of these cattle. All of them concluded the mutilations were done by rats, that choose the soft parts to eat first – eyes, nose, mouth, ears, reproductive parts, and from these to inside. The opening made by the small creatures who live from corpses are generally perfect and round, and they eat first from inside, it is easy to see at an apple eaten by worms. From outside it can looks good, and the small hole is perfectly round.

Veronica is describing 3rd Order information from the polarised perspectives.

Real abductions: The Grays are the “nanny” of human species, as the human species of Gaia is young and still entitled do receive special care. Is the grays duty to assure that all human on the group under their care gets food, shelter and sanitary conditions ( not richness, it is only about the health). So, they ionize the air to kill bacteria, influence for resources to reach hospitals, researchers and sanitary organizations. The abductions occur when a special human individual gets ill, the “special” relies on fact that the person is a hub for the distribution of resources to many others humans. If that person gets ill many will be without resources and will be consequently ill too, so the grays operate this hub person so he can keep up as a resources distributor for that area. It is expensive for the grays, done rarely. But as humans start to communicate directly with the grays they might even buy this operations perhaps, paying by sending resources to other humans in need from that gray group. They do these exchanges with some sensitive’s, sometimes.

Veronica is describing 3rd Order information from the polarised perspectives.

Reptilian appearances: The Reptilians are moved by the heart. They fall in love with humans more frequently than you can imagine, then they try to approach the person and everyone gets scared. They are an old, old species, with all existential problems solved, so they live in search of love and adventure. They are scary, of rude gestures, and cannot communicate well with humans, so the misunderstandings and confusions they cause are huge, but there is always an impulsive Reptilian in love behind, usually he does not succeed in his affair, sometimes do. They can fall in love with a person, with a population, with a politic system, with a project being made, by an object or place. It has nothing to do with the “take the world” theories, even because they don’t have to take, the Earth belong to them, and the Angels protect Earth because of them ,as they don’t fit anywhere else, while humanoids can be taken to other places. They are rough in the outside, and most sweet on the inside. Here is their place, the humans just need to learn to understand them, and I am sure will be great for all. They love to have other species living here, when a civilizations ends they long for the next.

Veronica is using words from 3rd Order has however returned to the Thuban perspective in attempting to define and describe the Human+Dragon=StarHuman equation.

I hope this information has a use for you. It is not something I read or heard, the source are the own Alien representatives. I took the task to clarify the misconceptions on the media on my group, and the intention is only to inform our point of view. I chose to speak person to person, with those who are interested on the issue, as being half-human myself.

Yes, here Veronica is 2nd Order Thubanese again.

Veronica: Hello friend, You Tube is making me tired. It is like a rally road and I don’t like it, I am a girl. Here are most boys trying to combat, not to fix on the subject. For discussion, only you were interesting. Keep my e-mail if you wish. You are welcome to discuss anytime.

Veronica the Dragoness - how interesting and enticing for the Dragons protecting their treasures in their lonesome caves.

Orthodoxymoron: Thank-you for your answers and comments. I hope that the internet and You Tube will help people to learn how to communicate more effectively and nicely. I hope things turn out well for everyone...humans, aliens, everyone. I even hope that Satan can learn to be happy without being mean and causing trouble. I don't want anyone to be miserable. Life should be enjoyed. I hope this universe can get past war. We should compete constructively...not destructively. Peace to you.

Namaste

Satan is the IMAGE of the True God/Source/Creator in the Mirror of 11D - both inside in 10D and outside in 12D.

The true Satan is SATANIA and has never left the Mirror and cannot leave the twosidedness thereof UNTIL the 11D-mirror becomes Onesided.
Then Satania will merge with the ascended Gaia becoming HER GLORIOUS HERSELF in the cosmic sexchange operation behind the dramas and the theatres.

AA

Hi Abraxasinas, i think it is time to upgrade what i have "got" this far...starting with confusion and hopefully ending with conclusion ..like the last time

In the process of "becoming" we compete against ourselves?
I am my own enemy? Not some "evil draconian, gray"..etc?

Is this the "greatest trick" of them all? The only evil there is is the man itself?

All that is required is for us to do our best? (actually a very hard thing)
After the competition is over we can be united within ourselves?

Being...child like...being pure, inquisitive, "naive", opened, not judgmental, without prejudice....helps a lot during this process?

What is it -to be born again - to truly know yourself?

Everything i experience is a counter reaction for my action?
If so...can action be forced on me, without me making the 1st step (provoking it)?

If one can be influenced in this manner, how is this to be understood?
Is this a necessary experience or something that should (if possible) be avoided?

How conscious am I....or all of us...during our wake time?
Am i unknowingly creating much of what happens to me?
While thinking i am doing one thing..."somewhere" in the background there are "forces at work" that i am not aware of?

This one might a "long shot" (but i just can not resist): what is my cosmic ID?

If i attempt to understand what i perceive with my senses as a star trek holodeck - can this help me to understand things better?
How do i stop the program and exit the holodeck?

This one might be a little "strange"...if you perhaps know it...in star trek TNG (a great show with many deep topics) there are beings named Q**. It snaps its fingers and behold...the relative gravity of the universe is changed...and things like that... Q = a distant future human to be? or is there anything like that now? - who and where?

**(Q Continuum is an extra-dimensional plane of existence inhabited by a race of extremely powerful, hyper-intelligent beings known as the Q The Q have the ability to warp reality at a whim, ranging from appearing in any place they choose to rearranging the cosmos themselves, they are not omnipotent, just beyond the comprehension of some beings of lesser knowledge and intelligence.)

There are many times when i realize that as much "good" i can do as much "evil" i can do. It mostly feels better when i do what is classified as good. although when i was younger it was...different...younger as = teenager. But at the same time i can easily imagine how would the situation look like if i were to - do it the other way. And it is not that i can not do evil - that would be a lie and a big one. When i do good i choose not to do evil - it is only that and nothing more. I am not a "saint" or anything like that. At times like that i honestly ask myself what choice would i make if there were no such things as a law...i also ask myself what things would others do to me... and i somehow become to realize...that law is actually pushing us back...it is holding us back...preventing the experience. As "cruel" as this might sound i think it is true. Human animal hides behind the law...not doing what would it actually do...not experiencing what it would...not learning...not progressing or regressing as it should...it is artificial and unnatural...all rules are...or so i think.
But than again we are all so heavenly influenced that what i see as evil might not even be in my mind if all of this outside influence was not present...none of us would...and i wonder...just how would we behave...do and think...without the artificial form of control...


Would i still know fear?
Would i still know laughter?
Would i be able to understand without feeling it?

Are our feelings distorted?
Is what we feel getting in a way?

.... there is just so much....what i "got" as a basic understanding (what i call my thesis) is not sufficient if i can not control my mind...if my mind is wild


If i am not aware of myself how do i control what i manifest?

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by Spregovori

Hi Abraxasinas, i think it is time to upgrade what i have "got" this far...starting with confusion and hopefully ending with conclusion ..like the last time

In the process of "becoming" we compete against ourselves?
I am my own enemy? Not some "evil draconian, gray"..etc?

Yes.

Is this the "greatest trick" of them all? The only evil there is is the man itself?

Yes, the thinking of 'evil' becomes a context for the thinking of 'good' to become meaningful and a choice to experience.
Think of LOVE existing everywhere to be experienced. The experience would be meaningless without KNOWING and HAVING EXPERIENCED the Absence of that LOVE. This is archetyped as the 'Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil' being the precursor for the 'Tree of Eternal Life'.

These differences in context have been omni-scientifically defined and so CAN become PHYSICALLY implemented.

All that is required is for us to do our best? (actually a very hard thing)
After the competition is over we can be united within ourselves?

Yes, its the contextual scenario must exist, before the Nature of Love-Reality can truly be Understood and appreciated.

Being...child like...being pure, inquisitive, "naive", opened, not judgmental, without prejudice....helps a lot during this process?

Of course - the BEING LOVE incarnated in bodyforms.

What is it -to be born again - to truly know yourself?

To know yourself to be an intimate part of both Cosmic Father-Creator and Cosmic Mother-Creation - a Child thereof growing up to propagate GoddoG's Family.


Everything i experience is a counter reaction for my action?
If so...can action be forced on me, without me making the 1st step (provoking it)?

This is the 'greater picture' of your individual soul knowing itself to also BE the 'collective' soul. The linear lifetime experience so often veils the deeper purposes only known to the 'collective;' soul. So familiarising yourself with the 'oversoul' aka the 'worldsoul' is the easiest way to discover your own secrets hiding within yourself.

If one can be influenced in this manner, how is this to be understood?
Is this a necessary experience or something that should (if possible) be avoided?

As in the above - only your own Logos as part of the Cosmic Logos KNOWS.

How conscious am I....or all of us...during our wake time?

It goes 1-2-4 and so 1/7th is waking consciousness; 2/7th is subconscious and 4/7th is superconscious.

Am i unknowingly creating much of what happens to me?

Your Logos connected to the SuperLogos does.

While thinking i am doing one thing..."somewhere" in the background there are "forces at work" that i am not aware of?

Definitely and as in the preceding answers.

This one might a "long shot" (but i just can not resist): what is my cosmic ID?

Whatever you choose to label it in superconscious awareness.
Labeling remains valid in the subconscious and the waking consciousness, but is filtered by your thoughtforms you create about yourself and your environmental interactions.

If i attempt to understand what i perceive with my senses as a star trek holodeck - can this help me to understand things better?
How do i stop the program and exit the holodeck?

Look into a mirror and change perspective of being Spregovori in Wonderland or Spregovori in Realityland.

This one might be a little "strange"...if you perhaps know it...in star trek TNG (a great show with many deep topics) there are beings named Q**. It snaps its fingers and behold...the relative gravity of the universe is changed...and things like that... Q = a distant future human to be? or is there anything like that now? - who and where?

This kind of supernaturality cannot exist physically. There exists an advanced physics, which allows the 3D displacement vector to become scaled, meaning the velocity parameter changes as a function of the scale change relative to a superimposed frequency.
The sci-fi idea you are referring to visualized this scenario the basic equation is: V(n=Hot)=R(n).F and where R(n) is the displacement INDEPENDENT on linear time in the cancellation of the Hubble-Frequency Ho (as inverse time) multiplied by a linear time t.

**(Q Continuum is an extra-dimensional plane of existence inhabited by a race of extremely powerful, hyper-intelligent beings known as the Q The Q have the ability to warp reality at a whim, ranging from appearing in any place they choose to rearranging the cosmos themselves, they are not omnipotent, just beyond the comprehension of some beings of lesser knowledge and intelligence.)

Yes, the physics equation above is the key to the wormhole travelling and the warping of spacetimes.

There are many times when i realize that as much "good" i can do as much "evil" i can do. It mostly feels better when i do what is classified as good. although when i was younger it was...different...younger as = teenager. But at the same time i can easily imagine how would the situation look like if i were to - do it the other way. And it is not that i can not do evil - that would be a lie and a big one. When i do good i choose not to do evil - it is only that and nothing more. I am not a "saint" or anything like that. At times like that i honestly ask myself what choice would i make if there were no such things as a law...i also ask myself what things would others do to me... and i somehow become to realize...that law is actually pushing us back...it is holding us back...preventing the experience. As "cruel" as this might sound i think it is true. Human animal hides behind the law...not doing what would it actually do...not experiencing what it would...not learning...not progressing or regressing as it should...it is artificial and unnatural...all rules are...or so i think.
But than again we are all so heavenly influenced that what i see as evil might not even be in my mind if all of this outside influence was not present...none of us would...and i wonder...just how would we behave...do and think...without the artificial form of control...

Use the Golden Rule to end your confusions here. Do and think about what you would like to be done and thought about you.
Before doing anything, think about the consequences of this doing in 'Walking in the other's Mocassins'.
Would you like to be treated some way? Would you like to experience the thing being done to you?
Would you be able to enjoy the thing being done to you in not being any form of manipulation or abuse, physical, emotional or mental?

Would i still know fear?
Would i still know laughter?
Would i be able to understand without feeling it?

Yes, to all of the above; as the 3D reality MUST be the SEED for any higherD form of reality.

Are our feelings distorted?
Is what we feel getting in a way?

The present 3D reality is designed or programmed for maximum polarisation to create the contextual background to allow the 3D seed to sprout into 4D and above.


.... there is just so much....what i "got" as a basic understanding (what i call my thesis) is not sufficient if i can not control my mind...if my mind is wild

If i am not aware of myself how do i control what i manifest?

To become the 'master' of your own thoughts is the first step to control the manifestations and from the mental into the emotional into the physical.

Without 'selfmastering' your own thoughts, you will remain in confusions.

AA

[bigmo]

Originally Posted by abraxasinas

To become the 'master' of your own thoughts is the first step to control the manifestations and from the mental into the emotional into the physical.

Without 'selfmastering' your own thoughts, you will remain in confusions.

AA

How is it exactly that we master our own thoughts?

By what 'reference' point of determination do we begin this process; this self mastery?

Doesn't the term 'self mastery' connote a condition by which we have made (past tense) 'decisions' that inherently and by their very nature, require judgments?

And if we are making 'judgements' in these determinations (what action or thought process we choose to take) then by what 'code' or 'reference of cosmic awareness', do we use to determine whether our judgments will reflect (mirror) the outcome of self mastery?

If it is as simple as: "Love your neighbor as yourself." then that 'code' or 'reference of cosmic awareness' would be the premise by which all thoughts, judgments and hence actions would be weighted against in determining the right judgment.

Nothing new here and certainly common enough ideas to be sure.

So there must be something that we are missing in our understanding? Something about this 'code' as it manifest within our 3D experience that inhibits us from grasping the simple 'awareness' that leads us to self mastery. What is that?

Peace

[bigmo]

Does the knowledge of Thuban reside in the Akashic Records?

[Firstlook]

Hello Abraxas,

What of the "Forty Six and Two" theory.......

....by Drunvalo Melchizedek concerning the possibility of reaching a state of evolution at which the body would have two more than the normal 46 total chromosomes and leave a currently disharmonious state.[2][3] The premise is that humans would deviate from the current state of human DNA which contains 44 autosomes and 2 sex chromosomes. The next step of evolution would likely result in human DNA being reorganized into 46 and 2 chromosomes, according to Melchizedek.

......do you agree with?


Peace


joey

[Céline]

"To become the 'master' of your own thoughts is the first step to control the manifestations and from the mental into the emotional into the physical.

Without 'selfmastering' your own thoughts, you will remain in confusions."


First one must Master the self...

Yes i completely agree

I need additional clarification regarding - Logos, to understand the last answers.

I admit i was rather surprised...a lot of yes answers. It seems i can do better than i would think...think of myself...

Universal Logos = Christos = Forethought = Mosaic Law = Oneness = Source Energy ?


Each individual has its own Logos?
Logos of each individual have an effect on the Universal Logos?
Universal Logos can, in time, be changed via individual Logos?
By changing the Universal Logos = change of the archetypes?

So theoretically...sometime in the future...everything can be/will be different?

What does it mean to surrender to the Logos /Universal Logos?
How does one do that?

There are also other questions but at the moment i can not form them in most possible (for me) logical way (to make them as clear and as basic as possible).