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Old 01-26-2010, 05:14 PM   #26
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All we need is love

I quite agree, and you, Illuminate have written here from the heart.

How good that feels to read. Truth. Your truth. In an alternative media full of extortions.

How different that reads to hearsay and speculation and fear based conjecture.

If only everyone would write and speak their truth from their heart, we would know each other so much better.

Thanks for your writing. Yes, forgiving ourselves is surely the first step, but using our hearts comes even before that i'm sure!

Peace n love n thanks

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Old 01-26-2010, 05:22 PM   #27
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Beautiful thread illuminate... Thank you

Learning forgiveness is the lesson because it allows us to maintain our love at all times and therefor know it even more truly. Share it with everyone.

I forgive us, for we did not know... or rather .. could not remember.

Also, I forgive myself for what I have forgotten.

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Old 01-26-2010, 05:24 PM   #28
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Old 01-26-2010, 06:51 PM   #29
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You know... it's worth bumping this thread... because I can see it slide idly into oblivion, while postings about the doings of the American administration and advance civilisation and all that claptrap you already know about because you've been mopping it up for the last year or so are riding high at the top of the Avalon hit parade.

So take a moment to ask yourself, who have you forgiven today ?

Forgiveness requires action, and reading about the various ends of the world in different scenarios only requires your attention and your energy to invest in hopelessness.

So c'mon... get with the love program. It's provable. Tell someone you love them, they feel great! You tell someone you forgive them - you feel better.

You read about Israel planning a war with Iran, how does that make you feel? Or about the American military moving into Haiti and making it into a large deep sea oil terminal ? Not good.

Bad news sells papers. Avalon seems to be no different. Watch all those really great and earnest posts slide away and drop off into the darkness.

This was one great heart thread I really enjoyed today. When it slips off the radar, will you come back here? Will you remember what was said?

Will we learn to forgive, too? Do you forgive Bush? Do you forgive Blair? Do you forgive the Illuminati?

Only when we can learn to forgive will we move forward, and the duality of right and wrong will become the unity that is love.

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Old 01-26-2010, 07:01 PM   #30
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Today I have begun my day as I do everyday. Forgiving myself for forgetting.

Soon after I noticed that there was an "issue" within my home due to someone's poor decidsion. I smiled, and forgived them. Then proceeded to do my best to solve the "issue".

Next I knew I was reading some emails that contained some things I did not enjoy. I forgave those involved for their actions, and existence for allowing it to be so. I quickly saw "The Big Picture" so to speak, and found it all wonderful in a grand design.

JUST before this post, I was working with someone on another forum who was hurting themselves, and remaining very close minded and blind to themselves. During the conversation, I began to feel 'anger" and realized I must stop, center myself, forgive them, and send them my love.

This is a never ending process for me, one which I apply to my own life and the universe alike.. Centering.. Remembering.. Forgiving.. Loving.. Being.

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Old 01-26-2010, 07:25 PM   #31
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wow.

Kula that was so moving, it made me cry
tears of joy and love
you truly get it

and Shaynard, Astra, and everyone who has posted
or read with understanding...
you all remind me why I should always battle my ego

my ego tells me not to write posts like this
it told me not to start this thread
that no-one would care
no-one wanted to hear this
that it wouldn't matter
that it wouldn't make a difference

and I always hesitate to say anything
because I don't want it to be about me
but I feel if I don't share a true and intimate part of myself
then how could I ask you to share your love

you've really blown me away Kula...
AMEN my brother, I am so proud to be a part of you!
I AM so proud to be a part of each of you!!!

each and everyone of YOU makes a difference
everyday
with every thought

so please
I beg you
let's tip the scales and create the reality we all want


I love you!
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Old 01-27-2010, 12:33 AM   #32
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Old 01-27-2010, 10:19 AM   #33
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my ego tells me not to write posts like this
it told me not to start this thread
that no-one would care
no-one wanted to hear this
that it wouldn't matter
that it wouldn't make a difference

and I always hesitate to say anything
because I don't want it to be about me
but I feel if I don't share a true and intimate part of myself
then how could I ask you to share your love


I love you!
You know Illuminate, I really wrestled with this when I first joined this forum... when I made my first posts.

If this Avalon community is really about building new ways and links between people, I should really keep my ego in check and see what is needed rather than bandy my tuppence about.

Because it's easy to see, early doors that there is a counter for how many people read the thread and also how many post to it. So it's easy for my ego to get trapped into the 'how well am I doing?' mode. 'How's my driving?'

And it's quite shocking that the most heartfelt threads of truth disappear without a trace. Anyone remember Jenny32 or whatever she was called? How's she doing now? Put a thread up about something that can never be proven or verified as real, yet contains endless opinions.. and they run for weeks !

It's not what I thought Avalon was about... so I will always support the 'heart threads' Illuminate. It's what I signed up for. Wherever there is genuine interest in changing the world from the inside out, I will be there.

Ooh.. wait , no... my head's getting bigger again.. stop.. ah.. there. Ok.

gotta watch that

Thanks for your thread Illuminate, we need that loving vibe here at Avalon sooo much...

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Old 01-27-2010, 11:12 AM   #34
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...forgive your family, forgive your friends, your neighbors, your enemies,
yourself, your governments, the bad e.t.s... even forgive all the
malevolent beings too...
Thank you for your leadership.
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Old 01-27-2010, 11:46 AM   #35
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Forgiveness is one of my favorite subjects, having recently realized how important it is for my own progress.

I roll these quotes out quite often - forgive me if you read it all before:

In the Law Of One, during an answer to a question about Jesus, "the entity" in the following quote (17.20) Ra stated
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When the entity had become able to integrate or synthesize all experiences, the entity began to speak to other-selves and teach/learn what it had felt during the preceding years to be of a worthwhile nature. The entity was absolved karmically of the destruction of an other-self when it was in the last portion of lifetime and spoke upon what you would call a cross saying, “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.” In forgiveness lies the stoppage of the wheel of action, or what you call karma.
This set in motion a recurring line of questions and answers that went far through the subsequent Q&A's which I have always found fascinating and illuminating on the subject.

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18.12 Questioner: You stated yesterday that forgiveness is the eradicator of karma. I am assuming that balanced forgiveness for the full eradication of karma would require forgiveness not only of other-selves but also the forgiveness of self. Am I correct?

Ra: I am Ra. You are correct. We will briefly expand upon this understanding in order to clarify.

Forgiveness of other-self is forgiveness of self. An understanding of this insists upon full forgiveness upon the conscious level of self and other-self, for they are one. A full forgiveness is thus impossible without the inclusion of self.

34.4 Questioner: Thank you. Would you define karma?

Ra: I am Ra. Our understanding of karma is that which may be called inertia. Those actions which are put into motion will continue using the ways of balancing until such time as the controlling or higher principle which you may liken unto your braking or stopping is invoked. This stoppage of the inertia of action may be called forgiveness. These two concepts are inseparable.

34.5 Questioner: If an entity develops what is called karma in an incarnation, is there then programming that sometimes occurs so that he will experience catalysts that will enable him to get to a point of forgiveness thereby alleviating the karma?

Ra: I am Ra. This is, in general, correct. However, both self and any involved other-self may, at any time through the process of understanding, acceptance, and forgiveness, ameliorate these patterns. This is true at any point in an incarnative pattern. Thus one who has set in motion an action may forgive itself and never again make that error. This also brakes or stops what you call karma.
It would seem to me that forgiveness and healing are interrelated to the extent that they are almost synonymous - the one cannot occur without the other.

> can you FORGIVE us

Yes.

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Old 01-27-2010, 12:44 PM   #36
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Thanks for the wonderful post Anchor...

Very enlightening.

These really are forgiving times!

I wonder how the New Threads board would read at Avalon if we were all enacting forgiveness ? Like this, perhaps ?:

"NASA witholds details of secret base on Mars - I forgive them !"

"Haiti overun by the American Military - I forgive us ! "

"4ft greys stole my grandmother, then made her watch porn - I forgive myself!"



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Yes, I forgive myself... maybe that's the highest good we can do for planet Earth. Sod the baked bean collection, forgive yourself today ! lol
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Old 01-27-2010, 02:53 PM   #37
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I forgive myself for the mistakes I will make today.

I forgive those I speak with who are still 'trapped in a box".

I forgive those who are caught by fear and confusion by the events of our world recently.

I forgive myself for "worrying" about it at all, ever.

I love you all and want whats best for you.

I forgive PA for being so active that some very beautiful threads get lost in the process.

I forgive myself for seeing anything as 'wrong" in the first place.


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Old 01-27-2010, 03:12 PM   #38
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Thanks for your lead Shanyard.

Yes, I forgive anyone pursuing thoughts of doom and gloom on threads, I see my own anger at my own gullibility and not wishing to be foolish.

I forgive myself for being lazy and finding a virtual world at Avalon easier to fix than my own house and garden and certainly my own life!

I am grateful for everyone's truth, and everyone's lies, we are all one.

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Old 01-27-2010, 04:01 PM   #39
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i am so glad you listened to your inner voice over ego illuminate and began this thread ... i feel forgiveness ... really is the ticket to our freedom ...
only forgiveness transcends ego ... my how much pride we have in this world ... we have been so ingrained to remain so very rigid within our stubborness ... of continuing to protect that of which has no truth ... thereby allowing ego to govern all ...
forgiveness ... it is flexibility ... the ability to move ourselves from our old beliefs ... old patterns ... old ingraining ... and say to ourselves ... this no longer feels right ... it obviously no longer works in this world ...
and it is time ... for something different ...
and when we locate that soft spot within ourselves ... within all of our rigidness ... our ego ... when we finally locate that drop of forgiveness within our heart ... it no longer can remain a droplet ... it will expand within us ...
forgiving our own selves ... forgiving others ... forgiving what was ...
forgiveness within heart ... is our only way to move forward ...
matters not that others have not found their own droplet of forgiveness within for in time ... many will ...
matters that we do so now ... and expand our forgiveness ... remember the ripple effect ...
forgiveness is healing ... ours and the worlds ...
sometimes ... easier said than done isn't it ... like anything else ... it takes practise ... reading this thread alone ... we are well on our way ...
forgiveness ... transcends ego ... frees us from the cage of illusion ...
i forgive us ...
thank you again illuminate for this thread ... and others ... for posting your words of wisdom ... and writing from your hearts ...


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Old 01-27-2010, 10:12 PM   #40
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> forgiveness transcends ego

I see it similarly but I think forgiveness can only happen with each step that you make towards mastering, harnessing and understanding the ego for what it is.

Some refer to this as conquering, I used to think exactly that, but now I don't think its true.

Forgiveness is unconditional love under will - a conscious intent to resolve that which is forgiven.

I don't think it is instant an thing. It isn't in the words "I forgive". It requires a movement and an engagement of every conscious aspect of your beingness.

A very high degree of mastery would be required to simply say "I forgive you" and that be done completely.

I once forgave a man who stole money from me in the form of unpaid business invoices - I thought I was being clever at the time, I gave up chasing him down and shredded the invoices - I sort of forgave him. This was not an easy process for me and began with me wishing all sorts of nastiness on his business (for which I have no doubt paid a price!!).

Anyway once I let it go, for months I wondered if I had done the right thing - clearly I had resolved the situation or put it behind me - but if I had done it completely then how come I was still being troubled? Eventually I realised I had done the right thing in principle but for the wrong reasons - true forgiveness followed.

Therein I discovered that forgiveness is a process which in our 3D incarnation is more than just a fleeting intent. Full resolution takes time. (Time heals...) However, the better you get and the more detached you can be - the faster and more effective forgiveness will become.

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Old 01-27-2010, 10:15 PM   #41
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Very nice point of view Anchor. Thank you for sharing, and I "feel the same".


I forgive nature for doing what it must to balance itself.

I forgive myself for once again forgetting to call loved one's for no reason.

I forgive ego for wanting to be.

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Old 01-27-2010, 11:07 PM   #42
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^^ LOOK UP ^^
see all that love and wisdom flowing?
how could you not

so much wisdom in your posts
THANK each and every one of you, keep shining on!



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Old 01-28-2010, 11:40 AM   #44
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A tendril lashes out, a sharp word emitted in anger
The sting as the energy dissipates within the emotional body stirs the ego to action
But WAIT Mr Ego - my friend, we are not like that anymore! Nor shall we flatter you by allowing ourselves to grandstand over the forgiving of the attack, we will simply stay silent, or if offered, we will quietly accept ammends or apology.
No worries mate, it's nothing really, <because I love you>.

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A tendril lashes out, a sharp word emitted in anger
The sting as the energy dissipates within the emotional body stirs the ego to action
But WAIT Mr Ego - my friend, we are not like that anymore! Nor shall we flatter you by allowing ourselves to grandstand over the forgiving of the attack, we will simply stay silent, or if offered, we will quietly accept ammends or apology.
No worries mate, it's nothing really, <because I love you>.

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Old 01-28-2010, 06:46 PM   #46
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I forgive myself for forgetting my dreams.

I forgive myself for punishing my body.

I forgive natural for the bitter cold.

I forgive my inability to adjust to it.

I forgive moments of anger and am thankful for the clearity they seem to bring afterwards.

I forgive fear for find it's way into our hearts.

I forgive our hearts from growing tired at times.

I LOVE the heart and how it always gets up and wins the battle.

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Old 01-28-2010, 07:35 PM   #47
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I refuse to be controlled or a battery or drug or energy source for any being

and I forgive them for trying


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Illuminate and Anchor,

Thank you for your wise words. This thread seems to be God-given, as I was trying to figure out how life could be so downhill now when it seems to be so good just a few years back. I realized that I haven't "truly" forgiven a lot of people and things in the past - including myself.

A wise spiritual adviser told me once that we have to TRULY forgive ourselves to be able to move on with our lives. With forgiveness comes love in its truest form - for us, for our loved ones, for those who are in pain and those we have inflicted pain.

I pray that everyone finds true forgiveness and share the love that they are capable of giving not only to their family but friends but also for the whole of humanity.

Namaste.

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Illuminate and Anchor,

Thank you for your wise words. This thread seems to be God-given, as I was trying to figure out how life could be so downhill now when it seems to be so good just a few years back.
Namaste.

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I think this is an important point... the more time we spend reading sad stories and horrible predictions, the more miserable life will seem. Because our power to change the illuminati or aliens is near zero. However, the power to change the self is within our grasp every second.

Life is Good... if we see it that way.

Just like the spanish inquisition.. if they finally do come knocking with the thumb screws, if you believe in a soul, then there really is nothing that can be taken from you, so why worry.

If you believe in a single consciousness, even the soul is expendable! That is, it is never lost because there is only one soul in the end...

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