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this should be a wake up call to people who believe some of the s-h-i-t that is posted in this forum, and really any forum. your average joe regurgitates sensationalistic garbage and does zero fact checking or research.
sorry if this comes off as harsh but come on, wow. |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Onion
The Onion is an American news satire organization. It features satirical articles reporting on international, national, and local news as well as an entertainment newspaper and website known as The A.V. Club. It claims a national print circulation of 690,000 and says 61 percent of its web site readers are between 18 and 44 years old.[2] Since 2007, the organization has been publishing satirical news videos online, as the "Onion News Network".[4] The Onion's articles comment on current events, both real and imagined. It parodies traditional newspaper features, such as editorials, man-on-the-street interviews, and stock quotes, as well as traditional newspaper layout and AP-style editorial voice. Much of its humor depends on presenting everyday events as newsworthy items, and by playing on commonly used phrases, as in the headline, "Drugs Win Drug War." A second part of the newspaper is a non-satirical entertainment section called The A.V. Club that features interviews and reviews of various newly released media, and other weekly features. The print edition also contains restaurant reviews and previews of upcoming live entertainment specific to cities where a print edition is published. The online incarnation of The A.V. Club has its own domain, includes its own regular features, A.V. Club blogs and reader forums, and presents itself as a separate entity from The Onion itself. |
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take the "parody" off the title , people should see the level of scrutiny the people who post here are using, both the poster and the responders did zero investigation.
its no wonder disinformation is so readily believed. |
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yea this is unfortunately true and there is allot of disinformation that sometimes works its way in here sometimes it's obvious other times its not. |
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No wonder it was so surreal...at first I thought someone at the station wrote it as a joke, did a google search pulled up the page with Rush's name and wooowooo! Figured he must've wrote it after a bottle of Jack Daniels and hit send before he could take it back! |
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![]() What were you're fooled too...did it bruise your ego? Chill bean....lighten up and have some fun. I knew the letter was too good to be true... ![]() |
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granted, no its not a big deal in and of itself, but when i see this and how everyone started discussing this as fact including yourself AFTER the link to the onion being satire--it unnerved me that people do this and is indicative of the whole conspiracy world on the internet. its just a small micro example of the macro problem and why 95% of people regurgitate the same grey/reptillian ****, the PTB dont have to work hard to misinform people because you readily do it yourself with zero fact checking and investigation. no wonder people love B and K's journalistic style of "if someone says it , its true" its because the bulk of you follow the same edict. with this in mind logic would indicate about 95% of the conspiracy memes, and accepted truths are either much different or alltogther wrong, yet people (who are brainwashed by our culture to be non thinking repeaters anyway) will defend utter bull-s-h-i-t just because they "read" it or "heard" it. i could come up with an elaborate scenario of D.U.M.Bs and my experience with other dimesnionals and if it was well written enough i bet the bulk of this forum would believe it, all i would have to do would be highly detailed and cough up some things ive read elswhere, and then suddenly everyone believes it and worse than that theyll spread the bulls-h-i-t that ive told them and then it spreads like wildfire. your post is just a reminder for me that i shouldnt even be on these forums because the level of discernment is appallingly low. -clark |
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No you shouldn't and you can take your attitude with you too... You are not a very nice person, are you ClarkKent? ![]() Bye, bye... |
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I'm starting an elect clark kent to be Jesus (Superman) campaign. Personally I think The Hulk would be a good one to save the world but I think Ill write-in Hercules because I liked the cartoon when I was a kid. |
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First of all, we're going to attract some agent provocateurs if we don't clean this up ourselves. I've been bitten by some of these memes also. I think we all have. I do my research on all of these topics, but it's nearly impossible to be on the ball 100% of the time. That said, we need to have a high bar of standard here. As it has been exposed, this topic obviously does not make the grade as it is a parody. As I've heard Kerry say before quite a bit, as above, so below. The microcosm does represent the macrocosm. This is nearly 100% expressive of Camelot interviews. We have one person who unknowingly spreads some information. Then we begin the telephone game where one person spreads it to another and another until it seems like everyone is just a big mouth-breader. This kind of cr** will be proliferated until someone raises their hand and calls bullsh**, but so many people will have already become emotionally invested in the story that they will fight even though they have no leg to stand on. Let this thread stand here as an example to Avalon of how these things work. Let the people of Avalon see it in its light for what it is. There are serious things going on in the world and we must be careful as to how we represent ourselves. When any of us speaks in the mainstream, we are already given the moniker of "crazy" or conspiracy theorist. If we are going to disseminate any message, it needs to be that of truth and for that very reason each of us must hold our contact to a much higher standard than we would when having a drink with some friends. When I submit reports that I'm not sure about, I use language like "may be", "potentially", "as reported", etc. These are small things, but they make a huge difference. The difference being that of me saying I saw this happen, I witnessed it with my own eyes, I know it's real vs. I heard this report or this story and it seems compelling, but I really don't KNOW. Let's stop the in-fighting and focus on some of the bigger issues that need attention. --sjkted Last edited by sjkted; 01-26-2010 at 07:15 AM. |
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OK, that's enough please. Respect each other is the number one forum guideline.
It would be great to have a way to teach people to be more discerning. It is one thing as we learn as we age - we make mistakes and learn from them. Some also learn that being kind will get you a lot further than ridicule. Once you've been exposed to a piece from The Onion - you see the tipoff on the next one is it's so over the top - your brain goes - what? Is this This Onion? What are some other tips on being more discerning? |
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The Onion is a great site!
I cant believe I got sucked into this thread like that even though it said "Parody" at the very beginning!. I think one thing we (I) have to do is just simply pay attention. ![]() |
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This is somehow turning out to be a worthwhile exercise. Everything is here to be seen, unlike who knows what happens with the Camelot hot air (I mean whistle) blowers.
First post was made at 4:15AM today. At 4:45AM, Karen mentions the Onion is a site for parodies. At 4:53AM, the original post is edited by Karen. Karen: did you edit the title of the thread? --sjkted |
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I was trying to get people to wake up to what was going on with that piece. I come back and hour or two later and the whole deal has gone bonkers with people slinging insults at each other. Bill Ryan has given some input the last few weeks, to take this forum to a higher level, and we are going to see what we can roll out in the next few weeks, or who knows how long, it's really tough working with an all volunteer team. What you do want the community of the future to look like? This thread? Last edited by Karen; 01-26-2010 at 08:47 AM. Reason: Add word you |
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I realize he is likely very busy, but what I wrote and the comments from others were quite a bit more than fan mail. They deserve an adequate response, if Camelot and Avalon are to be taken seriously. Quite frankly, this is not an edict that can be given from above. As above, so below. --sjkted Last edited by Karen; 01-26-2010 at 08:47 AM. Reason: Add word you to my quoted words |
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thread- can you FORGIVE us: "Yes, we can and we will. We are starting a domino effect right now. We cannot get to anywhere good in the future until we let good of the old. As more and more people get excited about the future, that excitement will be contagious. With such a positive outlook, there will be no more room to hold on to what has happened in days past." |
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![]() As I stated above, it does happen from time to time. Everyone makes mistakes. I certainly make enough of them myself, to preclude my judging others. The question here is whether we learn from them or continue to repeat them. --sjkted |
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This kind of thing will happen when people make mistakes when posting thread titles. Things can sometimes be confusing enough as it is. However, I for one will consider the issue resolved and will endeavor to pay more attention in the future (and not stay up so late). Last edited by Karen; 01-26-2010 at 08:46 AM. Reason: Add word you to my quoted words |
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maybe, i'll get a million dollar donation LOL
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after reading it; you should ask for a COMPLETE UNDO
the verbage; is very disempowering |
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and I will DEFINITELY be paying more attention!!
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i know the last part of what i said was harsh, but it was more me being mad at myself for giving more credence to info ive come across on the web, when my gut says people are easily taken in and spread untruths easily.
as small as this was it, it was a wake up call for me to realize that my gut was right-my angry tone was because after calling attention to the initial blunder, and karen CHANGING the header to "parody" and posting a link to the onion, it was STILL being discussed as legit, so yes i seemed like a nut waving my hands. didn mean to offend particular people but again like i said sadly this is indicative of the whole conspiracy world PC in particular, and reminded me that i should follow my instincts that 95% of what i read is way off and really not bother with forums and stick to the little research that i find interesting and not highly speculative realms such as this. again no offense was meant, but yes, like cliff high's problem with bill- this is the same arena and issue, and its a big one and people need to be responsible for the well intentioned actions. again the anger in my posts was really me mad at myself, i tried not to insult and name call, which is easy to do ![]() Last edited by clarkkent; 01-26-2010 at 11:47 AM. |
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letter to editor, rush limbaugh, the onion |
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