Belief or Skepticism/The Deciding Factor

[Luminari]

Well, I was blessed with very "awake and aware" parents and also a grandmother that has been following the UFO situation since the 1950's.

Eventually I had my own close UFO sighting (with 2 friends) that was so 100% real and absolutely undeniable as to the possibility of it being anything else that I never enter into debates on this topic anymore with anyone... the phenomena is real. If people choose to make fun of it I just feel sorry for them.

I have a friend I used to be involved with in the music scene who has now completed a PHD in pure Math, he works on various quantum stuff involving dimensions.. "M" theory and the like. We caught up for drinks at my house a couple of years ago before he went to Toulouse in France (home base of the European aerospace industry) to finish his doctorate.
Well because I respect and like this friend of mine I decided to show him some evidence for UFOs with a view to providing him ultimately with advanced math & physics concepts sourced from contactee literature, things that would give him an "edge" over the other people in his field and possibly lead to advances in mainstream science if validated by his colleagues via the peer review process.
Well, it went badly... I showed him high level military testimonies from The Disclosure Project... metal samples that have been proven to be extraterrestrial... video and photo evidence for a variety of spacecraft.. etc etc. No matter what I showed him, his mind was completely closed, and he found it all merely an elaborate joke. He rattled off some Carl Sagan sounding response that surely there is life "somewhere" in the universe but he assured me it would look "nothing like a humanoid and certainly not resembling man"..
I really made a valiant effort with this friend and provided some hard data, it made no difference to this person who had closed his mind to anything that was not accepted by the mainstream science establishment.
That was the last person I ever tried to convince of ET reality, I realize now that I need to stay in my own integrity and not concern myself with convincing people, even if they are friends or loved ones.

Good luck with your husband- you will need it.

[clarkkent]

most my friends think alien and illuminatti talk is totally off the wall.

usually i show them maps of washington and egyptian ties, occult symbols and then articles on bohemian grove, usually they think its weird enough that there might be something to it, but its too much to think that a secret society really runs things and dates back thousands of years.

way beyond their comfort zone and thus is relegated to the trash bin of ideas.

UFO's people are a little more open about usually i show people highlights of the disclosure project, with serious witnesses from nasa, lockheed, army navy , cia etc its hard for them not to take the subject a little more seriously.

as far as 'ascension" that has more to do with spirituality and faith so i dont push my cosmic worldview as much as i try to get my friends to acknowledge that its not insane to think we've been visited by ET's and that beyond bad corporations there is something to all the symbols, hand signs and pagan architecture that there might be something to it.

bottom line is people cling to their worldview because its how they go about day to day and know how to live their lives, to change that too drastically is not something most people want to do, and theyll fight to defend their established POVs no matter what is shown to them.

-clark

ps any TRON fans out there i made this, im geeking out with excitement.

http://vimeo.com/8983676

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by clarkkent

UFO's people are a little more open about usually i show people highlights of the disclosure project, with serious witnesses from nasa, lockheed, army navy , cia etc its hard for them not to take the subject a little more seriously.

Hi clarkkent,

Well if credible testimony and physical evidence cases don't convince them, try the ancient cave paintings from all around the world, that's usually a killer proof, and if they're still not convinced then there's nothing you can do to deny their ignorance.

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by Luminari

No matter what I showed him, his mind was completely closed, and he found it all merely an elaborate joke. He rattled off some Carl Sagan sounding response that surely there is life "somewhere" in the universe but he assured me it would look "nothing like a humanoid and certainly not resembling man"

Carl Sagan had been a disinformation artist all his life. His proponents are often more closed minded than he was. There is no point trying to convince anyone who has an inherent bias, such as the friend you described.

I also had a UFO experience, or rather USO, to be more accurate. And I had about 5 or 6 people with me and it wasn't their first time, it was just my first time. Absolutely no doubt if you or anyone else were with me right then and there, these were 'alien' by every definition of the word.

You are not alone Luminari, its a wise decision to just leave the ignorant be.